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WOULD YOU TAKE A COVID VACCINE?

By Pete Moore On October 26th, 2020

Matt Hancock has dampened hopes a COVID-19 vaccine will be ready before Christmas – but refused to rule out the possibility some people may receive it this year.

The health secretary said his “central expectation” was that a vaccine rollout could be under way in the first half of 2021, with the “bulk” of it expected before next summer.

This year, next year, whenever; he can roll it right past me. That’s far too soon to be injecting it into people. Nope, I’m not at all an anti-vaxxer. I just think that safe and working vaccines usually take years to develop. I have no doubt that all involved in developing potential vaccines are ticking all the boxes, but everything to do with the Wuhan Flu so far has been a cock up. A walk on part in another one is not on my bucket list. Not for a few years anyway. Besides, if enough other people become vaccinated then we’re all safe, right?

Would you volunteer to be vaccinated, either this year or early next year?

29 Responses to “WOULD YOU TAKE A COVID VACCINE?”

  1. That’s far too soon to be injecting it into people.

    Do you, or would you take the flu vaccine?

  2. I’ve never had the flu jab. I know what you’re saying, but they are refined rather than developed from scratch every year from a virus which has never been seen before. Flu jabs are safe but I don’t feel the need to get one myself.

  3. Il take any vaccine going.

  4. I agree Pete.
    Much too soon no matter what they say.
    Vaccines take years to produce and to test properly. I would be dubious to take it now or in the near future.
    It could come back to bite them.

  5. Remember that all vaccines started their existence in this way.

    The only vac I’ve had in my life was the MMR jab when I was an infant but I’d be prepared to volunteer for trials if it meant hastening the return to some semblance of normality.

  6. I had the BCG and I think I had MMR but I’m not sure about that one.

  7. If Dr Fauci recommends it, I will take it.

    I won’t listen to any politician.

  8. I had the BCG

    Apologies Colm, I meant the BCG.

  9. My Mum took Thalidomide for morning sickness when she was pregnant with me.
    Look how well that turned out?
    I realise that testing and medicine in general has moved on since then but still……….

  10. It shows a lack of scientific understanding when people are worried about how quickly this vaccine was developed, when vaccines for the flu, which are very similar to this are developed in similar timescales.
    There are plenty of interesting articles online to read about how this vaccine was developed, and basically they pretty much followed the same path that they do to develop new flu vaccines every year. plus the amount of testing they have done with this vaccine is the same as the amount of testing they do with the flu virus vaccines.
    This vaccine may have been developed quickly, but it hasn’t been rushed. And when it comes to testing they haven’t taken any shortcuts.

  11. If Dr Fauci recommends it, I will take it.

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    Breathe

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  12. Who would you trust ( other than anonymous bloggers at unidentified sites )

  13. according to djaym its funny listening to and following the advice of a man with impeccable credentials with 30 years experience of a being a pandemic expert
    no wonder the world is upside down , and trolls like Trunk get into power .

  14. Basically people believe who they want to believe. Some the experts, others their doctor, some others their friends or their favourite politician or celebrity.

    You simply weigh the risks of the disease against the risks of the vaccine. I think most of us in the developed and democratic world can expect a bit of accountability and responsibility in the drug administration authorities and safely take tested and approved medicine.

  15. Djaym is an absolute plonker !

  16. yes colm and there’s no relativistic way of saying that
    his comment requires an absolutist reply
    he is an absolute plonker
    is he a plonker ?
    yes, absolutely 😉

  17. He is only mocking Dr Fauci because his hero Trump has turned against him and so like all good fanboys he follows suit.

  18. I think Djaym has been supping from the Harri cup somewhat. Heavy on the sloganeering and mocking and very light on the discussion.

  19. If Dr Fauci recommends it, I will take it.

    What about deciding for yourself? Does that have no merit?

  20. “ Besides, if enough other people become vaccinated then we’re all safe, right?”

    Understandable attitude but it leaves a bad taste. If everyone thinks this way then everyone hangs back and nobody gets the vaccine.

    They used to give a white feather for failing to go into fights with far higher risks.

    “What about deciding for yourself? Does that have no merit?“

    Everyone decides who to trust but on the basic level “deciding for yourself” has about as much merit as deciding to operate on yourself. Or in this case, someone else.

  21. I don’t think that anyone here is an expert on vaccines or on viruses, Pete.

    Except for Allan, who knows it all.

  22. allan’s all talk and no trousers ( kilt ? )
    here he is grabbing his big Mac in scotland 😉

  23. They used to give a white feather for failing to go into fights with far higher risks.

    Well Frank, since I went to work every day of the pandemic – not one day of lockdown, shielding or furlough for me – I will not be accepting white feathers from anyone.

    If you are suggesting that we take our chances with a vaccine like conscripts took their chances on the Western Front you make it sound quite unappealing. The boffins will have to give us better odds than that.

  24. Pete,

    Sure. I wasn’t speaking about you or anyone in particular. More about how I would see myself if I just opted out and let enough others do it. I’d be inclined to wait a couple weeks at least for the dust to settle and to get informed but I wouldn’t want to wait years.

    I think anyway any vaccine wouldn’t be targeted at the general public at first. I also read something recently about repurposing an old vaccine, so it’s not necessarily going to be something brand new.

    And no I don’t think it’s anything like conscripts – like I said those were fights were far higher risks. I’m not aware of any vaccine at all that carries anything like the risks of the flu never mind covid. And I’m someone who actually reads some of Allan’s links. Never seen anything that seemed remotely credible. I’m assuming those were his best arguments.

  25. Phantom,

    I don’t think that anyone here is an expert on vaccines or on viruses, Pete.

    Except for Allan, who knows it all.

    That’s true, as I pointed out above. But here’s the thing, we live in an amazing time when a truly staggering amount of information is available online. Including research and data from people who are experts in their particular Fields. The strange thing is armchair experts seem to think their feelings or ‘knowledge’, (or lack of it), trump’s that of the experts.

  26. Phantom, on October 26th, 2020 at 7:43 PM Said:

    If Dr Fauci recommends it, I will take it.

    Be careful – Fauci is an “asshole”

    The inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, who died last year, said that PCR must not be used as a diagnostic tool and that Fauci is an asshole

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9Zg4PvPMtTcC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=fauci+mullis+asshole&source=bl&ots=tJT7jJ3vDd&sig=ACfU3U0w0I0jtHlr9uc4oJr_oyVf0WCfQg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjiwvSEnMTsAhWlZxUIHblhCscQ6AEwBnoECAgQAg#v=onepage&q=fauci%20mullis%20asshole&f=false

    “What ABC needs to do is talk to Gallo and Fauci and show that they’re assholes, which I could do in ten minutes”

    “There are some terrible motivations of humans involved in this (The AIDS scandal) and Gallo and Fauci have got to be some of the worst”

  27. Will I take the vaccine? Well let’s see. I’m old heavy in poor health and a diabetic. Plus I’ve already had the Flu vaccine this year and every year previously for several years. Hell yes I will. The alternative is likely to be terminal for me. See its all a question of one’s perspective.

  28. Frank O’Dwyer, on October 26th, 2020 at 11:18 PM Said:
    I’m not aware of any vaccine at all that carries anything like the risks of the flu never mind covid. And I’m someone who actually reads some of Allan’s links. Never seen anything that seemed remotely credible. I’m assuming those were his best arguments.

    Frank – we’ve been here before

    https://www.atangledweb.org/?p=62958

    And specifically on your “I’m not aware of any vaccine at all that carries anything like the risks of the flu never mind covid”, it’s not as though you’d be looking, is it?

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

    The date was 23 November 2009 and Gallagher was one of thousands of NHS staff vaccinated with Pandemrix, a vaccine made by pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK).

    Eight years later, her career in the NHS is a memory and she’s living with incurable, debilitating narcolepsy and suffers from cataplexy, a sudden, uncontrollable loss of muscle tone that can cause her to collapse without warning. Because of her condition, she can no longer work or drive.

    People with narcolepsy experience chronic fatigue and difficulty sleeping at night. They can have night terrors, hallucinations, and a range of mental health problems.

    Gallagher is not alone. More than a dozen frontline NHS staff are among around 1,000 adults and children across Europe who are believed to have developed narcolepsy after being given Pandemrix.

    They have been forced to take legal action, along with almost a hundred other sufferers, to force the company and the government to accept the consequences of the rushed vaccination programme eight years ago. In contrast to the UK, European countries have already compensated people whose narcolepsy was linked to the swine flu vaccine.

    ……Pandemrix was different. It had not gone through the normal process and was fast-tracked without the usual clinical trials.

    That’s when the vaccine is ‘accelerated’, but what about the safe vaccines?

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/4-billion-and-growing-u-s-payouts-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/

    The Health Resources & Services Administration just released new dollar figures reflecting payouts from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The payouts for vaccine injuries just went past the whopping $4 billion mark. Using the government’s own conclusion that only 1% of all vaccine injuries are reported, the $4 billion is just the tip of the iceberg. Despite assurances from CDC and our Federal agencies that all vaccines are safe, the payouts say otherwise. Vaccine injuries can and do happen—to previously healthy children and adults. Consumers deserve to know the facts about the full range of vaccine risks.

    That’s $4 billion in payouts for vaccine damage, paid for by the taxpayer because big-pharma has indemnity. Perhaps automobile manufacturers should have indemnity too?

    And yet……..

    Phantom, on October 26th, 2020 at 7:43 PM Said:

    If Dr Fauci recommends it, I will take it.

    Colm, on October 26th, 2020 at 7:32 PM Said:

    Il take any vaccine going.

  29. https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf

    Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)Inclusive dates: 12/01/07 – 09/30/10 Principal Investigator: Lazarus, Ross, MBBS, MPH, MMed, GDCompSciTeam members:Michael Klompas, MD, MPHPerforming Organization: Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Inc

    Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% ofambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is duplicative.

    There it is – now y’all know