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This is who we really are

By Patrick Van Roy On October 27th, 2020

GOD BLESS AMERICA

 

99 Responses to “This is who we really are”

  1. Reptiles will pay a huge price for this nasty move
    62 million people have voted , it’s a mockery of the system

  2. Actually, it was right and correct to make this appointment, just as should have happened (but didn’t ) back in 2016 when the President then was denied the opportunity to fill a vacancy.

  3. Since we don’t live in a vacuum, it was not at all right to fill this vacancy, which violates the fake rule established not long ago by McConnell and Graham.

    The two coordinated actions – Garland and Barrett – Is a gross breach of norms and the Constitution by a dirty Republican Senate, with the president as a co conspirator in the case if Garland.

  4. Aww such is Politics……. and our system was designed to work that way Phantom. It was designed to be difficult for all three branches of the fed to work together.

    Which is what makes her appointment so crucial.

    I highly recommend to all of you please do yourself a favor the clip is 18 minutes in length.

    I titled this post the way I did because both Trump and Barret summed up better than I ever could how I feel about my country.

    Even if the pomp an ceremony is a bit much for you, you want to understand me…. watch the damn clip.

  5. Your system wasn’t designed. Those people pretending the US system was designed, rather than a compromise agreement, have no knowledge of American history.

    And if the Democrats claim all three of the White House, Senate and House and decide to expand all of the courts, not just the Supreme Court, to counter this then I’m sure there will be no complaints from you. After all such is politics.

  6. “Even if the pomp an ceremony is a bit much for you, you want to understand me…. watch the damn clip.”

    We don’t need to watch a clip to understand you. Republican good, Democrat bad. That’s the only thought you’ve ever put into anything.

  7. lmao….. what a marooon….

    Seamus the system was designed and your grasp of American history is even more flawed than your grasp of right and wrong.

  8. “Seamus the system was designed and your grasp of American history is even more flawed than your grasp of right and wrong.”

    It wasn’t designed. It was compromised on. Which is why huge sections of the text are detailed and huge sections are vague. Those that require the most compromise are incredibly detailed. The other parts, that were more generally agreed, are quite vague.

  9. yes there were a ton of compromise but the system was designed and those vague parts a there for a reason.

    It amazes me that you don’t see or understand why it was designed the way it was. As for my r good d bad…. the post has absolutely nothing to do with r or d. The speeches above have nothing to do with r or d.

    Like all those books you’ve read and think understand from just reading their covers…. if you opened one up and read it, or in this case watched….. you might get a clue.

  10. “yes there were a ton of compromise but the system was designed and those vague parts a there for a reason.”

    It wasn’t designed. It was compromised on. It wasn’t a group of people sitting around designing the best system of governance. It was a group of people who couldn’t really agree on anything. So there was substantial compromise, that created a system by accident, rather than by design. And the vague parts are there for a reason. And that reason is they where in those areas that they didn’t need to compromise on.

    ” As for my r good d bad…. the post has absolutely nothing to do with r or d. The speeches above have nothing to do with r or d.”

    Everything you do, everything you say is Republican good, Democrat bad. Which is why you change reasoning, and rationale for your arguments when it suits. If you weren’t a giant, giant hypocrite you would point out that this appointment was unacceptable given the GOP’s actions in 2016.

  11. McConnell, Graham and Trump have openly defied the Constitution.

    There should be a hardball response.

    And when it happens, please, let there be no lip from any anti Constitutional Republican.

    You opened this door.

  12. Patrick sees the Constitution the way a Muslim sees the Koran, as a holy and infallible tract.

    Everything that he says points to that.

  13. “Patrick sees the Constitution the way a Muslim sees the Koran, as a holy and infallible tract.”

    I disagree. He reminds me more of a lot of modern religious people. The text is only important when they agree with it. Patrick is happy to ignore the constitution, or reinterpret the constitution, when it is convenient for him.

  14. Point taken

    I rewrite that he pretends to see…

  15. This is who we really are

    What does that even mean?

    Aww such is Politics…….

    Hopefully I and others will get a chance to use that against the whining next week.

  16. This is who we really are

    What does that even mean?

    It means only Conservative Trump supporting Right wing Republican voters are really Americans. All others are what Donald would no doubt call “fake Americans” 🙂

  17. It means that in reality that the constitution is subservient to the whims of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

  18. bullshit…..

    Pay attention children.

    The two speeches in the clip above encapsulate the Ideals, Spirit and The Rules.

    add to that the perfect personification of an American Woman, Wife, Mother of 5+2, with a fulltime career where she was able to reach the highest position in her field and one of the highest positions in the Nation…. the Ultimate American Dream.

    This is who we are.

  19. Please post a speech by Mitch McConnell

    Your real hero

  20. The Turtle….

    Sorry I don’t promote poster boys for Term Limits.

  21. Phantom you’re flailing….. the Turtle, and Mrs. McCain. Two twits that have long overstayed their welcome

  22. “The two speeches in the clip above encapsulate the Ideals, Spirit and The Rules.”

    Is that ideal and spirit the win at all costs spirit, and the rules being if the rules are inconvenient then just grab them by the pussy?

    Because if it isn’t then the video is nothing more than propaganda and lies.

  23. the Ultimate American Dream.

    This is who we are.

    And the overwheling, massive majority? Those living on food stamps, dropping out of high school, doing porno shoots to pay for college, working three jobs to make ends meet, bankrupted from medical fees, joining the Corp because there’s no other opportunities, living in trailer parks?

    The uneducated white trash, the gangbanger drug pushers & pimps, the outlaw bikers and the redneck militia men?

    They’re you too, right?

  24. gee is that what the two speeches were about Seamus?

    Is that what you heard as you listened….. lol

    Propaganda and lies…. to you maybe. Such are the limitations of your mind, your views. You have no faith, no Faith in God, No Faith in the Rule of Law, and no Faith in your fellow man, so of course to you it’s propaganda and lies.

    That’s all you see when you lack Faith.

  25. Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham and Donald Trump, the new Holy Trinity for these guys

  26. And the overwheling, massive majority? Those living on food stamps, dropping out of high school, doing porno shoots to pay for college, working three jobs to make ends meet, bankrupted from medical fees, joining the Corp because there’s no other opportunities, living in trailer parks?

    The uneducated white trash, the gangbanger drug pushers & pimps, the outlaw bikers and the redneck militia men?

    They’re you too, right?

    wow….. how sad, bitter, and pathetically disillusioned.. I’ll pray for you Paul.

  27. “Such are the limitations of your mind, your views. You have no faith, no Faith in God, No Faith in the Rule of Law, and no Faith in your fellow man, so of course to you it’s propaganda and lies.”

    I do have faith in God and unlike Republicans and Amy Coney Barrett I am sincere in my beliefs and am not just Catholic when convenient.

    You also can’t lecture on the rule of law, something you hand your President have shown remarkable contempt for.

    So can we get confirmation from you that you were lying (like you usually do) when you argued that the Senate shouldn’t confirm a judge in an election year?

  28. Phantom you ever going to answer the question I asked you yesterday ?

  29. How sad, bitter, and pathetically disillusioned..

    But the truth of the ‘American Dream’ con for the vast majority of her citizens, yeah?

    I’ll pray for you Paul.

    Good to see that being brought back out of storage.

  30. Seamus FUCK YOU….. How’s that?

    Keep calling me a Liar asshole……

  31. What question

  32. “Keep calling me a Liar asshole…”

    If you stop lying I’ll stop calling you a liar.

  33. Paul the Majority of Americans, Are hard working two parent families with kids that go through school, get a Job and build a family of their own, but Mr I know everything about America doesn’t seem to know that…..

    Like I said you are sad, bitter, and pathetically disillusioned..

  34. Paul the Majority of Americans, Are hard working two parent families with kids that go through school, get a Job and build a family of their own, but Mr I know everything about America doesn’t seem to know that…..

    I don’t know America very well let alone know everything about America as you like to claim I do.

    So, as I said, the truth of the ‘American Dream’ con for the vast majority of her citizens, as your above comment confirms?

    However, the uneducated white trash, the gangbanger drug pushers & pimps, the outlaw bikers and the redneck militia men are also America too? Right?

  35. Seamus, on October 27th, 2020 at 1:49 PM Said: Edit Comment
    “Keep calling me a Liar asshole…”

    If you stop lying I’ll stop calling you a liar.

    Consider this an official Warning Seamus.

  36. “Consider this an official Warning Seamus.”

    No.

  37. Though I can’t help but notice, Patrick, that you are again picking a fight simply to avoid answering a question that you don’t want to answer.

  38. oh yeah what question is that?

  39. Can we get confirmation from you that you were lying when you argued that the Senate shouldn’t confirm a judge in an election year? Or do you have some other explanation for it?

  40. Seamus FUCK YOU…..

    Patrick, ‘I never throw the first punch’ Van Roy

  41. This is who we really are

    I know I’ve never been to the US, But I’ve worked with, and met loads of Americans and what I’ve discovered is Americans, like people I’ve met all over the globe, are a diverse and individual bunch. Patrick’s claim that there’s a specific American mindset, which coincidentally is the same as his, is nonsense.

  42. Absolutely Dave,

    I love it when Pat presents himself and his shmaltzy American Dream stuff as representative of the US when it’s a huge, incredibly different country & people.

  43. pull the thread so I can read it it in context.

    I will tell you I support what happened to Garland and I support what happened here with Barret…… A President gets to submit whoever they want, but the Senate does not have to confirm them.

    You act as if it’s an unusual event when the President’s choice isn’t approved…. it’s not.

  44. ahh the peanut gallery has arrived…..

  45. You cited the ‘Biden rule’ that a Supreme Court vacancy shouldn’t be filled in an election year. You then reversed yourself. Are you a liar or a hypocrite?

  46. Patrick, ‘I never throw the first punch’ Van Roy

    and I didn’t

  47. “and I didn’t”

    Well you did. I said nothing insulting towards you.

  48. Seamus, on October 27th, 2020 at 2:44 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You cited the ‘Biden rule’ that a Supreme Court vacancy shouldn’t be filled in an election year. You then reversed yourself. Are you a liar or a hypocrite?

    Like I said post the link to the thread so I can read the context….. more than likely I was being a hypocrite.

  49. I’ll have a look for the thread. I’m having issues finding any of the Garland threads. I think the system may have deleted them.

  50. Seamus, on October 27th, 2020 at 2:46 PM Said: Edit Comment
    “and I didn’t”

    Well you did. I said nothing insulting towards you.

    You called me a LIAR Seamus.

    Now that may mean nothing to you but it’s the line I have warned you of several times, you fling that shit and look immediately the fly’s arrive and start feeding off of it and then the thread goes to hell.

    If you accuse me of Lying you better post the LIE or you will be banned. I will no longer stand for it.

    It is as simple as that.

  51. So much for Patrick’s support for free speech. Don’t disagree with me or I’ll ban you.

  52. no disagree with me all you want.

    Calling me a Liar is not disagreeing. It’s character assassination.

    If you call ANYONE a Liar you better post the Lie and proof that it was an intentional Lie.

    If you can’t do that you don’t belong here.

  53. “Calling me a Liar is not disagreeing. It’s character assassination.”

    No it isn’t. If you lie people will call you a liar. That isn’t character assassination. It is the truth. And as I said before you can ban me. There is nothing I can do to stop that. But I’m not going to moderate my arguments to appease a bully.

  54. The fly’s arrive and start feeding off of it and then the thread goes to hell.

    The only people arguing about lies here are Seamus and yourself Pat. My comments were on you appointing yourself as representative of the American nation.

  55. So now I’m a bully as well as a Liar……

    Seamus I have no desire to Ban you.

    We’ve discussed this 1000 times.

    If you feel I have lied about something fine, post the Lie and why it’s a Lie and not just a view you don’t agree with.

    That is Fair.

    However if your position is I’m just a Liar and you’re going to continue to just call me one without anything to back up your accusation I will ban you.

    That isn’t bullying.

  56. Paul you were not a fly I was referring to

  57. I have posted them in the past. You still cry. You are trying to create an echo chamber were you can spout what you want without challenge. It is opposition that you oppose.

    I gave the example of the Garland nomination. You still complain. I have posted a list a few days ago. You still complain.

    You want to say what you want without challenge and then threaten those who challenge you. That is what a bully does.

    So as I said you can ban me. I can’t stop you. But it will say absolutely nothing about me and will say plenty about you (not least your bleatings about free speech in the past). I’m not going to moderate my comments to appease a petty tyrant. So if you want to avoid challenge, if you want an echo chamber, you go ahead and ban me.

  58. No Seamus just the opposite…… Have I ever denied you a post? Have I offered all of you the opportunity to post your views not just as comments, but as posts you’ve created?

    No ones comments are censored here, no one has been prevented from posting their views and arguments in anyway.

    I am challenged by everyone here, you can laugh at me, you can call me an idiot, you can poke holes in everything I say…. please I encourage it.

    However calling me a Liar you are saying I have written something that I know is false with the purpose of deceiving people.

    I don’t do that, I have never done that.

    What it will say Seamus about you is you can’t deal with people honestly and you can’t follow a simple rule.

    Now if it makes me a Petty Tyrant for insisting that if you call someone a Liar to provide proof well then a Petty Tyrant I am.

  59. Seamus a different view from yours is not a Lie.

    You’ve posted no examples of a Lie by me EVER.

    but what you have done is destroyed multiple threads by tossing that label around without justification, just as you have done to this one.

  60. Patrick

    If you call ANYONE a Liar you better post the Lie and proof that it was an intentional Lie.

    If you can’t do that you don’t belong here.

    I don’t ban people, I don’t delete comments, and I don’t interfere when others argue…

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=84965&cpage=1#comment-809132

    Is there literally anything Patrick says that has any honesty or consistency. He repeatedly judges others by standards he doesn’t follow, and behaviour he doesn’t adhere to. I don’t see how his credibility on ATW could sink any lower.

  61. “However calling me a Liar you are saying I have written something that I know is false with the purpose of deceiving people.

    I don’t do that, I have never done that.”

    You do that on an almost daily basis.

    “Seamus a different view from yours is not a Lie.

    You’ve posted no examples of a Lie by me EVER.”

    I have posted several examples.

    “but what you have done is destroyed multiple threads by tossing that label around without justification, just as you have done to this one.”

    I have never called you a liar without justification, and I didn’t destroy this thread. I asked a question about the Supreme Court and because you didn’t want to answer it you went batshit crazy.

    I call things as I see it. If you don’t like that ban me. I honestly don’t care. But I’m not going to moderate myself just to appease your ego.

  62. Dave are you really that limited in mental capacity…..

  63. Ok Seamus….. you “feel” you are right and I am a Liar.

    That’s fine you’re entitled to your “feelings” but not your own facts.

    And the facts are sunny you’ve never posted a Lie by me.

    As I have said, repeated and explained thoroughly now several times.

    Your feelings mean nothing. You are saying I have written something that I know is false with the purpose of deceiving people.

    Don’t do it again.

  64. “Don’t do it again.”

    No. If you lie I’m going to call you a liar. Best way to avoid being called a liar is to stop lying.

  65. I see Patrick’s following his usual path in these discussions.
    You’re now personally insulting me.
    And before you make a claim that I insulted you first, I didn’t.
    What I’m stating are facts Patrick. You are dishonest. You won’t have an honest discussion with me about several subjects we’ve discussed before. You just avoid answering my questions and run away. Even during our last discussion, when you promised you’d answer my questions if I answered yours first, you still went back on your word. Because you know that you can’t give an honest answer without showing your position to be wrong. And this is something you do regularly, not just with me but with many of the other people who post on ATW.

  66. Dave what are whining about ?

    What question didn’t I answer?

  67. Well, there’s actually been quite a few over the years Patrick, that I’ve repeatedly asked you, and you’ve ignored.

    But let’s just do these two:
    Why is Venus hotter than Mercury, if atmosphere has nothing to do with a planets temperature as you claim?
    Where is the demonstrable evidence that John McCain was responsible for the USS forrestal fire?

  68. Why is Venus hotter than Mercury, if atmosphere has nothing to do with a planets temperature as you claim?

    Simple…. they each have different geophysical properties that react differently from the suns radiation. Each Planets physical makeup as well as it’s position to the sun decides what it’s atmosphere is like or even if it has an atmosphere. Each planet is different and one really can not be compared to another.

    Where is the demonstrable evidence that John McCain was responsible for the USS forrestal fire?

    In the files of what caused the fire.

    Leave a Reply

  69. “Simple…. they each have different geophysical properties that react differently from the suns radiation. Each Planets physical makeup as well as it’s position to the sun decides what it’s atmosphere is like or even if it has an atmosphere. Each planet is different and one really can not be compared to another.”

    So the composition of the planet’s atmosphere will impact on how it reacts to the sun’s radiation? And changing the composition of the planet’s atmosphere will impact on how it reacts to the sun’s radiation?

  70. So the composition of the planet’s atmosphere will impact on how it reacts to the sun’s radiation? And changing the composition of the planet’s atmosphere will impact on how it reacts to the sun’s radiation?

    yes

  71. “yes”

    Adding excess amounts of CO2, CH4, N2O, O3 etc… into the atmosphere, changes the composition of the atmosphere, thus impacting on how that atmosphere interacts with the sun’s radiation. Welcome to the cult of climate change.

  72. That is the theory….. but it is just that a theory nothing more.

    Seamus what are the current levels at this moment in the atmosphere CO2, CH4, N2O, O3 etc… and especially H2O ?

    You can’t answer that, no one can. It is at this point in time beyond mans ability to even measure just the H2O in the atmosphere.

    If we can not measure the exact amounts of each element in the atmosphere we can not make accurate predictions on the dynamic effect of tweeking any one or two elements up or down.

    Your cult wants to change the entire structure of the world based on a guess of what will happen if we tweek just one element of a dynamic system whose parts we aren’t even able to calculate.

    So no I’m not in your cult.

  73. I’ll be back…..

  74. “Seamus what are the current levels at this moment in the atmosphere CO2, CH4, N2O, O3 etc… and especially H2O ?”

    No idea. I’m not a climatologist. However it isn’t true that no one can answer or that reasonable facsimile can be achieved. The concentration of CO2 particles at the Mauna Loa Observatory for example.

    “If we can not measure the exact amounts of each element in the atmosphere we can not make accurate predictions on the dynamic effect of tweeking any one or two elements up or down.”

    Except accurate models have been produced. And yes there are always going to be uncertainties with any complex modelling. But climate models have successfully reproduced previous results, and have made predictions that have been subsequently confirmed by observation. Thus they are accurate.

    And yes, as you have identified, there is a wider issue of water vapour. However water vapour is a multiplier, rather than cause of climate change. If global warming was kept to a minimum then the excess water vapour in the atmosphere would also be kept to a minimum.

    “Your cult wants to change the entire structure of the world based on a guess of what will happen if we tweek just one element of a dynamic system whose parts we aren’t even able to calculate.”

    Not the entire structure of the world. Just the greenhouse gas emissions. Increasingly, particularly in the developed world, the link between greenhouse gas emissions and prosperity is being broken. Greenhouse gas emissions (in the west) are falling but prosperity continues to grow.

  75. Simple…. they each have different geophysical properties that react differently from the suns radiation. Each Planets physical makeup as well as it’s position to the sun decides what it’s atmosphere is like or even if it has an atmosphere. Each planet is different and one really can not be compared to another.

    This still gives me no scientific explanation of why the two planets have a temperature difference. Provide me with a link to a scientific explanation that backs up your claim.
    Also, the two planets don’t have different geophysical physical properties. (Not to the extent that it would make much difference to the energy absorption.) Both are rocky planets with an iron core. The only difference is, one has an atmosphere and one doesn’t. And the cooler planet Mercury, is a hell of a lot closer to the sun than Venus. And your claim that we can’t compare these two planets is utter nonsense.

    In the files of what caused the fire.

    What files are these Patrick? Where is the link to them?
    I’ve read the reports of what caused the fire, and it clearly states an electrical power surge in an aircraft caused a Zuni rocket to launch. (A problem that had happened several times before.) Rupturing a wing-mounted external fuel tank on another aircraft awaiting launch, and starting a fire.
    Several men on the flight deck witnessed this happen, and the subsequent forensic investigation also provided evidence that this is what happened.
    I can provide links to official reports.

    All I’m asking from you, is one link to provide evidence. Otherwise you’re just reiterating the nasty lie that John McCain, (who acted like a hero that day), was somehow responsible for this.

    Come on Patrick, you constantly berate others for not providing evidence when they make claims against Trump. You repeatedly ask them to provide links to backup what they’re saying, which is perfectly reasonable.

    So where are your links Patrick? Where is a link to backup your scientific, (or rather lack of scientific), explanation as to why Venus is hotter than Mercury.
    Go on, give me a link to explain it scientifically.

    And the same goes for the the nasty accusation against John McCain. Provide a link that backs up your story that he was responsible for the fire.

    Go on Patrick, live by the standards you constantly hold others to.

  76. Paul you were not a fly I was referring to

    Okay, fair enough.

    What I will say however Pat is that I find you repeated attempts to portray yourself as typical of USers pretty absurd. I don’t know America well, (I’ve only been to her east coast), let alone know everything about America but I’ve been there and have met many Americans, (including some very friendly girls), over the years and have both American friends and family and what I’ve learned is that there is no one type of American in that vast sprawling country with its hundreds of millions of inhabitants. I’ve no doubt that USers like you exist, (I have a cousin who’s a personality cultist who believes everything that Fox & Breitbart say and who’s never been to Europe but believes al that Breitbart shit printed), but the overwhelming, vast, humongous majority of USers I know and have met aren’t as you portray yourself, and that goes also for the gun owners I know also.

    The American Dream is also a load of schmaltzy, sentimental pish. Hundreds of millions of USers are just like hundreds of millions of people in other countries, lower working class, working class and middle class. The idea that you can achieve anything with hard work is mythical propaganda. I personally know people who are working two and three jobs in the US just to make rent and earn a living.

    In short, the US is like any other large country, a hugely diverse population with varying degrees of economic success and failure all just trying to get by with a microscopic percentage of the population climbing to the pinnacle of success.

  77. The true test of scepticism isn’t in finding any way to debunk those who disagree with you, and change their minds. It about finding ways to truthfully examine actual evidence contradicting what you believe, and accept that you are wrong, and be willing to change your own mind.

    If you find it easy to dismiss the (in many cases), lifetimes work of hundreds of scientists, because you reckon you know based on some blog or an article you’ve read, then you might as well admit you’re no longer being honest to yourself.

    If you only ever trust ‘facts’ that confirm your political biases/beliefs, then you’re no longer interested in the truth.

  78. Yep

    And politically, the best analyst would be just as critical / skeptical of the side that he generally agrees with as he is of those of the other point of view.

    And on US opinion TV print and web, there is just about none of that.

    One reason why we are in the mess that we are in.

  79. One of the points Patrick often makes is that foreigners particularly “Euroweenies” cannot and do not know or understand Americans and the American psyche. I would argue the opposite is true. The huge domination of American culture, entertainment, news, politics, mass media etc on most of the world since at least the middle of the last century means that non-Americans have a familiarity and knowledge of American life and it’s ethos more than any other country bar their own. Virtually all of us have seen heard and immersed ourselves in thousands of hours of US films,TV shows, news , music, writings etc.

    WE KNOW AMERICANS 🇺🇸

  80. “In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence.”

    David Hume.

  81. That was a really good post Phantom.
    To backup up the point you’re making, I stayed lots of countries, such as South Africa, India, Poland and France, for extended periods of time. However, even having never visited the US, I have a better understanding, and more in common with Americans, than any of the people in the aforementioned countries. I know this because of the time I spent, working at socialising with Americans.
    There will be more proof of this, when we eventually get together for a beer. 😁

  82. Sorry, I meant that’s really good post Colm.
    Fucking hell, what am I like.
    (Your post was good to Phantom )

  83. No worries Dave. Phantom’s post was good, but obviously not as good as mine 😉

  84. Dave

    I’ve long thought this.

    Europeans are endlessly fascinated with America. The more you talk to them, there or here, the more you see it the depth of it.

    Every European, esp in Britain and Ireland, thinks of America every day, in what is sometimes a love/hate thing but mostly a love thing ( except for US politicians who aren’t exactly admired ).

  85. A great place to visit. I don’t think I could live there.

  86. i think we’re fascinated by the quality you find in the arts
    some real great music, movies, awesome innovators like Bill Gates, Google, and in equal measure horrified that 40% of the population has a world view that is so incredibly distorted

  87. Interesting set of replies and responses I will try to answer each and every one, but I doubt I won’t miss something, but before I do Paul

    I assure I am anything but typical I was raised to be atypical to fill a unique profile.
    I make no bones about it.

    What I am excellent at is reading the side of america’s political view that you can’t. The only reason you can’t is you don’t know where to look…. sorry You simply have no way to gage the middleclass working american. Their voice is not represented in the sources you can access and the few shows that these people listen to and watch you despise so you have no idea really what’s even being said to them.

    Wher the misunderstanding is with people outside the country they see this huge political fight when in reality there is only about 10% of the country that even follows politics, less than 2% who could tell you whose on the Supreme Court.

    In a really heavy turnout election for President it usually maxes out at 60% of the eligible to vote that turnout. This election may hit 65%…. because as much as americans bitch they really don’t vote with the intensity that they bitch.

    The last 8 mths have been an attack on the middleclass and small business owners of america conducted by the democrat party and they believe that Donald Trump is going to get the blame.

    He’s not and they’re going to shit themselves even harder this election night than they did when Hillary flopped.

  88. The huge domination of American culture, entertainment, news, politics, mass media etc on most of the world since at least the middle of the last century means that non-Americans have a familiarity and knowledge of American life and it’s ethos more than any other country bar their own. Virtually all of us have seen heard and immersed ourselves in thousands of hours of US films,TV shows, news , music, writings etc.

    and Colm that’s why you get it wrong….. that’s what ya weenies just don’t get…

  89. If you watch the BBC or SKY national news, they’ll give you the weather in the UK and Europe – and will very often give a weather report for the US and Canada.

    That’s a little detail that I find interesting

  90. Patrick

    Nope, you are wrong. We ,weenies know you Americans better than you know yourselves. Maybe one day I will have you on a couch ( no, not like that) and I will give you my expert European psychoanalysis of your American neurosis 😉

  91. What I am excellent at is reading the side of america’s political view that you can’t.

    Self praise is no praise, Pat. The vast, overwhelming, mammoth majority of USers I know / have met are nothing like the person you portray yourself as, and yes, that includes gun owners too.

    The fact of the matter is that it’s impossible to say that you’re representative of anything in such a hugely diverse demographic of over 330,000,000 people. The 2016 popular vote and the % of gun owners in the US would also strongly suggest that you are in a minority.

    The ‘American Dream’ stuff is also just sentimental hogwash.

  92. Dave Alton, on October 27th, 2020 at 5:47 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The true test of scepticism isn’t in finding any way to debunk those who disagree with you, and change their minds. It about finding ways to truthfully examine actual evidence contradicting what you believe, and accept that you are wrong, and be willing to change your own mind.

    If you find it easy to dismiss the (in many cases), lifetimes work of hundreds of scientists, because you reckon you know based on some blog or an article you’ve read, then you might as well admit you’re no longer being honest to yourself.

    If you only ever trust ‘facts’ that confirm your political biases/beliefs, then you’re no longer interested in the truth.

    Dave your presumption is wrong…. my view on climate science is not based on politics.

    It’s based in logic and mathematics. The math of your religion does not add up…. to even claim it does is reason for dismissal on it’s surface.

    The number one factor of the Earths atmosphere is water. 71% of the earth’s surface is covered by water. 97% of the earth’s water is in the oceans. The interaction of the suns radiation with that water is what gives the earth her atmosphere.

    You’ve been convinced by people that by varying less than 2% of that atmosphere the temperature of the planet can be controlled. Let’s say that’s true if we take 1% and manipulate it either up or down it will act as a thermostat for the earth.

    Ok now calculate what amount of the atmosphere is 1%. To do that you have to know exactly the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere which is a constantly changing variable. The water vapor of the atmosphere comes from the oceans through evaporation. How do you calculate the formulae that will give you that planet wide calculation accurately any second of the day any day of the year?

    Do you know? Do you know anyone who knows? No you don’t, because we have not advanced yet to that level of math and technology….. but fuck it we need no freakin numbers turn off the engines of the world and everything will be just fine…….

    When you can calculate the evaporation rate down to the last parts per million let me know.

    Until then your in the cult of Gaia

  93. Self praise is no praise,

    Paul…. I know I am one of gods many gifts to this world, so it’s not self praise… just fact….

    you can thank me later.

  94. Self proclamation of greatness Pat? Isn’t pride one of the deadliest of sins in the Catechism of Mother Church for a Catholic like yourself?

    This tells a different story:

    The 2016 popular vote and the % of gun owners in the US would also strongly suggest that you are in a minority.

  95. we all sin…. father forgive me for I am unworthy…..

  96. Patrick

    Father ? Don’t you know God is non binary 😉

  97. Phantom.

    I’ve long thought this.

    Europeans are endlessly fascinated with America. The more you talk to them, there or here, the more you see it the depth of it.

    I would agree. I found this to be especially true with Eastern Europeans. When I spent time in Poland. to a greater or lesser degree, Europe soaks up a hell of a lot of American culture and entertainment.
    When I was in Poland to the wall hadn’t long come down. And the Poles we’re striving to be more European or better still, more like Americans.

  98. Paul

    Self praise is no praise, Pat. The vast, overwhelming, mammoth majority of USers I know / have met are nothing like the person you portray yourself as, and yes, that includes gun owners too.

    I totally agree Paul. That also be my experience. I’ve met and worked with lots of Americans, (admittedly only ones who travelled outside America), and I can honestly say none of them have ever been like Patrick.

  99. Hehehe us wennies don’t know jack
    Pats read the runes trumps coming back to sweep to victory
    This is perfectly set up
    See you in a week – gotta bookmark this thread

    I hope you have the honesty if a Biden landslide you admit
    You know what guys I know jack shit about my own frigging country
    I retire from politics . I been fooled ..

    Someth8ng like that will be pressing for .

    If I’m wrong then it’s a fair shout to say I don’t know jack