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TrollCast 3

By Patrick Van Roy On November 21st, 2020

The CityTroll discussing abuse of power under covid

 

4min

109 Responses to “TrollCast 3”

  1. In yet another one for the irony police, following on from Troll complaining about people infringing on free speech on the internet, now he complains about abuses of power.

  2. did you watch it?

  3. No. I don’t really watch videos. I prefer to read. As we have discussed before. But you are talking about abuses of power, something you know plenty about given your actions here?

  4. Legislation gives governors and mayors the power to take actions to deal with public contagions as a health emergency. We are living through one now and all Governments have these laws on their statute books.

  5. so you have no idea what I’m talking about in the video, you can’t be bothered to take the 4 minutes to find out, but you’ll comment immediately about your perceived view of my hypocrisy in regard to something totally unrelated and that I guess should qualify as debate?

  6. “so you have no idea what I’m talking about in the video, you can’t be bothered to take the 4 minutes to find out, but you’ll comment immediately about your perceived view of my hypocrisy in regard to something totally unrelated and that I guess should qualify as debate?”

    Yes. I’ll comment about what I want to comment on.

    You titled the post ‘The CityTroll discussing abuse of power under covid’. Thus it is safe to say that you are talking about abuses of power, something you are well practiced in. As to the content I doubt there is anything of value in it. Your rantings rarely have any value in them at all.

  7. Also Patrick, you aren’t breaking the law not wearing a mask in your own home. I’m pretty sure where there are mask regulations it is just a requirement that they should be worn when other people not resident in your house are on the premises,

  8. no pictures on the wall, c’mon stick a picture up 😉

  9. PENNSYLVANIA’S DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR TOM WOLF HAS ANNOUNCED NEW COVID RESTRICTIONS, INCLUDING ORDERING PEOPLE TO WEAR MASKS INSIDE THEIR OWN HOMES.
    Additionally, anyone who visits PA from another state must get tested within 72 hours before entering the state or quarantine for 14 days. Residents who traveled to other states must follow same rules when coming home.

    There will be an exemption for those who commute to and from another state for work or medical treatment.

    Pennsylvanians who have guests over their own homes will be required to wear masks.

    TRENDING: LIVE-STREAM VIDEO… Breaking the Code: Exposing the 2020 Election Fraud with Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, Joe Hoft and Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit – Tuesday at 3 PM ET

    ▪️ Strengthening masking order. Masks are still required. Indoors: masks now required anytime you’re with people outside of your household, even if you’re socially distant. Applies to all indoor facilities + if you have people in your home not part of your household

    — PA Department of Health (@PAHealthDept) November 17, 2020

    “Strengthening masking order. Masks are still required. Indoors: masks now required anytime you’re with people outside of your household, even if you’re socially distant. Applies to all indoor facilities + if you have people in your home not part of your household,” the PA Department of Health tweeted on Tuesday.

    The state already has a mask order for when you leave your home, and occupancy limits on bars and restaurants.

    Philadelphia has gone even further, announcing on Monday that they are banning indoor gatherings and dining as well as closing casinos, gyms, museums and libraries.

    A judge ruled Wolf’s previous shutdown unconstitutional.

    Sorry this got cut off with the paste.

    My mother is here for the weekend……

  10. yeah no background Kurt the whole Trollcast is in a rebirthing stage that will take awhile to get just right.

  11. Patrick

    You point out that despite mask wearing the US death toll is above 240,000. But how can you prove that if there had been no mask wearing that toll would not have been much higher? Every country in the world is encouraging or forcing its people to wear masks, so they can’t all be wrong and / or dictators surely? As stated many times, the point of mask wearing is not to protect the wearer from getting infected by others, it’s to protect others from getting infected by the wearer.

    Otherwise well said and fair points. But surely you don’t have to wear a mask in your own home?

  12. It can be proven very easily Peter the dead fall into very specific groups. The old and those with preexisting conditions.

    The whole world has been exposed the virus didn’t die off or go dormant over the summer and it’s winter cycle has started back up. Odds are sooner or later every person on the planet will have been exposed there is no way of avoiding it, but unless you fall into very specific groups you’re not going to die. The past ten months have made that very clear.

    Yeah since my mom does not live in my house, and is here for the weekend My Governors NEW LAW requires I wear a mask in my house…. come arrest me I’ll have monica film it…. that’d be a video worth seeing.

  13. Patrick

    I was infected with this virus in March and it took nearly three weeks before I was fully recovered. It was like a really bad flu and I don’t recommend it.

    Are you saying that masks are 100% useless, and if so, what if any steps should we be taking against this Chinese-generated virus? A lot of people in your party including Trump seem to be saying that we should do nothing at all and just let it rip, even if the death toll ends up in the millions.

  14. no they work for 4% of exposure that’s what the science shows so Like I said as high risk when I go in a store or a crowd I where one, but 96% get contaminated by touch so I wash and carry a hand sanitizer in my car, and when the vaccine comes out I will get it.

    Now this virus is worse than the flu, but a mask would work at the same prevention rate and the flu kill 100,000 a year in this country of the same high risk groups. Yet no masks are mandated, no lockdowns. No forced closures.

    When this thing first broke out it was a panic, and the reaction of lockdown and masks for everyone was a good idea. It didn’t work. The purpose was to break the chain stop the spread and prevent the hospitals from being over run.

    Well it didn’t break the chain, it didn’t stop the thread and the same percentage in places that have had a resurgence of hospitals are hit. At least now where not killing people with respirators the care and treatment has improved but not one preventative has worked.

  15. 96% get contaminated by touch

    Now who told you a thing like that?

    masks for everyone…didn’t work

    Very many lazy or quarrelsome Americans and English never wore masks, are not wearing masks even now.

    Some wrote blog posts about it. Some others harassed health care workers and medical / governmental officials or store clerks who asked them to wear masks. It’s very well documented. Universal mask wearing has not failed in the USA or England because we’ve had universal mask wearing- not for one minute.

    Fauci has repeatedly begged people to wear masks, Trumpers mock him for it.

    In Kansas, there was a mask mandate from the governor.

    As of mid-August, 24 of Kansas’s 105 counties had abided by the state mandate or adopted their own mask mandate, and 81 counties had opted out, as Kansas law allows. At that time, the number of new daily cases per capita – calculated as a 7-day rolling average – had decreased an average of 6% among counties with a mask mandate and increased by 100% in counties without a mandate.

    USA Today

    And of course, in the biggest controlled study of them all, the mask-wearing nations of Asia, including Taiwan, Korea and Japan have vastly better results than the fat dumb and quarrelsome mask-shirking Americans and British — but no, let’s never talk about this.

  16. Hey Phantom this video has a guest appearance by your Governor.

  17. no they work for 4% of exposure that’s what the science shows

    What science?

    but 96% get contaminated by touch

    Where’s the evidence for that?

  18. There’s a study where I got the 4% from if I find the link I’ll post it for you Phantom.

    and don’t poo hoo that number it’s a pretty high number 4% especially for a virus that survives so well on surfaces. Usually it’s one or the other this virus does both.

  19. I believe that in the early days The scientists were much more concerned about spread by touch than they are now.

    The concern is with “ Sharing air “ In close quarters , as Dr. Osterholm has said

  20. but 96% get contaminated by touch

    No Patrick, that’s bullshit. At least 90% of transmission is ny airborne particles. That’s why masks help, or are you saying there’s a worldwide conspiracy to promote the profits of mask manufacturers? Hello Allan?

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

  21. If I find the study Peter I’ll post it but as to the full efficiency of masks as protection I did come across this while I’m looking

    Accordingly, it is desirable for individuals to wear masks in public spaces. Importantly, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) were not able to completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when fully sealed

    this doesn’t address the 4% still looking but it does address the fact that they don’t give you the protection you think.

    https://msphere.asm.org/content/5/5/e00637-20

  22. Peter using your link from the CDC

    This first section here which is the number one way it’s spread is in regard to touch….

    COVID-19 most commonly spreads during close contact
    People who are physically near (within 6 feet) a person with COVID-19 or have direct contact with that person are at greatest risk of infection.
    When people with COVID-19 cough, sneeze, sing, talk, or breathe they produce respiratory droplets. These droplets can range in size from larger droplets (some of which are visible) to smaller droplets. Small droplets can also form particles when they dry very quickly in the airstream.
    Infections occur mainly through exposure to respiratory droplets when a person is in close contact with someone who has COVID-19.
    Respiratory droplets cause infection when they are inhaled or deposited on mucous membranes, such as those that line the inside of the nose and mouth.
    As the respiratory droplets travel further from the person with COVID-19, the concentration of these droplets decreases. Larger droplets fall out of the air due to gravity. Smaller droplets and particles spread apart in the air.
    With passing time, the amount of infectious virus in respiratory droplets also decreases.

    What that says is close contact with an infected person when the expel it resporterily in a close proximity of 6ft it will land on you as an active virus via aerosol transmission. That has nothing to do with the noncontaminated person breathing it in. Your body is covered by a layer of bacteria, germs, and virus. If an aerosol droplet lands on your biosphere it contaminates it and it will travel and enter through the receptors in the nose because your field of bacteria, germs and virus completely encompases your body you step on an active germ in your bare feet it will reach your nose.

    This the SECOND infection method is about the noninfected person catching it from the air

    COVID-19 can sometimes be spread by airborne transmission
    Some infections can be spread by exposure to virus in small droplets and particles that can linger in the air for minutes to hours. These viruses may be able to infect people who are further than 6 feet away from the person who is infected or after that person has left the space.
    This kind of spread is referred to as airborne transmission and is an important way that infections like tuberculosis, measles, and chicken pox are spread.
    There is evidence that under certain conditions, people with COVID-19 seem to have infected others who were more than 6 feet away. These transmissions occurred within enclosed spaces that had inadequate ventilation. Sometimes the infected person was breathing heavily, for example while singing or exercising.
    Under these circumstances, scientists believe that the amount of infectious smaller droplet and particles produced by the people with COVID-19 became concentrated enough to spread the virus to other people. The people who were infected were in the same space during the same time or shortly after the person with COVID-19 had left.
    Available data indicate that it is much more common for the virus that causes COVID-19 to spread through close contact with a person who has COVID-19 than through airborne transmission. [1]

    Again this says nothing about inhaling the disease it talks once again in regard to CLOSE CONTACT…. the virus lands on your skin…. that’s touch not inhalation.

  23. Patrick

    but 96% get contaminated by touch

    For the second time of asking, where is is the scientific evidence that 96% of this virus is transmitted by touch?

  24. Dave if you’ve read the the thread and the conversation I’ve been having with Peter and Phantom you could plainly see that I don’t have the link to it. If I did I’d post it I’m looking for it. If I find it I’ll post it, if I don’t I won’t be able to will I? So what does that mean that I’m a Liar? or does it mean I can’t find it and I don’t keep a record of every story I’ve ever read in a file to pull out at the drop of a hat.

    I read the story, I’ve also read stories that if you don’t wear a mask even when making love you’re gonna catch the disease and die while contaminating everyone you know. Which side of the coin you chose to go with is your preference.

    Me in this case I’m taking the half full glass side. If you want to chose the half empty or if you chose to flip it and say my view is the half empty… whatever it’s your choice.

  25. You’re having a death toll of one 9/11 a day now
    Or 500 Benghazi’s ..
    Estimated 50% could have been avoided .
    That’s the enquiry USA needs to conduct in Heiden states term

  26. 9/11 was 3000 dead , so not quite those levels, looks like dec will reach that – alas
    but hey shit happens pat right? nothing to see , move along, u gonna die , you gonna die !!
    what’s for dinner !

  27. “What’s for dinner”

    Trump Turkey – it’s got an orange glow, likes stewing in its own juices and is set to fall apart after Thanksgiving Day when it becomes just a rump of cold leftover as the new Biden Bird heats up in the Oval oven 😉

  28. “So what does that mean that I’m a Liar? or does it mean I can’t find it and I don’t keep a record of every story I’ve ever read in a file to pull out at the drop of a hat.”

    Is this your tactic from now on Troll? Make up some random bollocks and when challenged on it pretend that the person is calling you a liar and then ban them?

    In terms of the actual “96%” nonsense – what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without it. The 96% is clearly bollocks and unless you can back it up then it should be treated as such.

  29. Actually Seamus why don’t you ask yourself and Davey boy what is this your tactic…… still pissed Seimi got a week off and your ruining another thread.

    You come on a video thread and attack me the very minute it’s up, and not about the post, Dave ignores the whole conversation and insists… supply the report supply the report…..

    This is you and he in a tactic of harassment for the sake of harassment it’s not debate.

    So tell me were you two lying in bed together giggling…… asswipe…..

  30. Good morning everyone.

  31. Not ruining anything Troll. Pointing out your hypocrisy and continued lies about Seimi (he was banned, not suspended, not given a week a off, banned – and to continue to call it anything is more of your dishonest behaiour) is not harassment. Dave asking you for evidence, rather than trusting your word (which is worthless), is not harassment either.

    The post is about abuses of power. I talked about abuses of power. That it happened to be your abuses of power is shit for you. But still relevant to the thread.

    “asswipe”

    Cunt.

  32. ok Suckass

  33. That will be your name from this point on Suckass

  34. “ok Suckass”

    For someone who is gurning and moaning about “harassment” you are very quick to go for namecalling. But then considering you can debate an issue without lying, and you get tetchy about that being pointing out, it is probably the best that you can do.

  35. no asshole….. we just spent two weeks fighting yesterday in the afternoon it seemed we had reached an agreement, but not you Suckass… You just continued on and your butt buddy joined you…. maybe I’ll change your name in the system…. Suckass will show up on every comment you make….

    You refuse to let it go like the little bitch that you are suckass…. I assure you this is a game you will not win.

    Now you can continue being a little bitch or you can act like an adult and be civil so far you’ve proven you can’t be.

  36. “no asshole….. we just spent two weeks fighting yesterday in the afternoon it seemed we had reached an agreement, but not you Suckass… You just continued on and your butt buddy joined you…. maybe I’ll change your name in the system…. Suckass will show up on every comment you make….”

    What agreement was that?

    “You refuse to let it go like the little bitch that you are suckass…. I assure you this is a game you will not win.”

    This isn’t a game. I’ve made it clear that I will treat you with the contempt you deserve. You are a bully, a liar, a dishonest piece of shit, and you will be called out about it constantly.

    If you apologise to Seimi then this all ends. Until then you can go fuck yourself.

  37. lol….. hell will freeze over Suckass

  38. “lol….. hell will freeze over Suckass”

    I know. Which is why you can go fuck yourself. As I said apologise to Seimi and this ends. Until then I will treat you with the contempt you deserve and constantly point out that you are a liar, a bully, dishonest and that you quote white supremacists and anti-Semites.

  39. You let me know when you’re ready to apologize, Suckass

  40. “You let me know when you’re ready to apologize, Suckass”

    I’ve nothing to apologise for. You are the liar. You are the bigot. You are the dishonest bully.

  41. Seamus….. what is your goal ?

    You obviously want to see how if you can push me into banning you. I guess you think it will destroy the site, but your continued harassment and personal attacks are doing that.

    If your banned the rest of the whiners will go with you….. that will fix me…

    Your a little bitch and your group of little butt buddies are welcome to follow you

    Do you really think I care?

  42. “Seamus….. what is your goal ?”

    I don’t have a goal. I don’t want you to ban me, but also don’t care if you do so. But you have acted unjustly and I find your behaviour to be disgusting. This isn’t a tactic. I find you to be reprehensible. And will treat you as such. It isn’t a tactic. Just you are a piece of shit and I will treat you like a piece of shit.

  43. I acted to stop YOU, Seimi, and Dave to stop, but a warning shot apparently was not enough.

    Call me a Liar again, continue harassing me and you will be gone, and whoever wants to leave can follow you…..

  44. “Call me a Liar again, continue harassing me and you will be gone, and whoever wants to leave can follow you…..”

    Go fuck yourself. The best way to stop being called a liar is to stop lying.

    And pointing out your many, many failings is not harassment. Simply the truth. A concept clearly alien to you.

  45. Bye

  46. So what does that mean that I’m a Liar? or does it mean I can’t find it and I don’t keep a record of every story I’ve ever read in a file to pull out at the drop of a hat

    It means that it’s an unverified claim that can be dismissed out of hand.

  47. You’ve just banned Seamus?

  48. And that is an option Paul as I said you pick whether the glass is half full or half empty.

  49. You’ve just banned Seamus?

    Yup

  50. a one week suspension

  51. You’ve just banned one of the most analytical and resourceful commentators here. I suspect he’ll not be back.

  52. no I banned an asshole that was harassing me.

    I liked Seamus, but enough is enough.

  53. I know that you want to draw a line under Seimigate and forget that it ever happened. Do you not think it just a bit hypocritical you speaking about freedom of speech and abuse of power in its wake and do you expect people to just turn a Nelsonian eye and pretend it never happened?

  54. Paul

    I have no problem with anything I say being criticized, I will not be harassed for the sake of being harassed.

    Seamus didn’t watch the video, he said he didn’t care, he continued to just continue to call me a Liar and said he was going to continue to harrass.

    This is a Political site for political and fun discussions. I warned people for a year this was coming, I fired a warning shot with Seimi, I allowed the bitching about that to continue for two weeks, I thought yesterday it was finally done.

    I wasn’t mean to Dave, and even after Seamus started his crap on this thread I wasn’t mean.

    He decided to continue.

    I can be argued with about anything. I can be criticized about anything. I will not be harassed for the sake of harassing or what it’s my imagination, I’m just a cunt and a Liar.

    Enough is enough.

  55. Pat, this is the question I asked:

    Do you not think it just a bit hypocritical you speaking about freedom of speech and abuse of power in its wake and do you expect people to just turn a Nelsonian eye and pretend it never happened?

    In spite of your continued protestations, Seimi didn’t commit the offence that you claim was the reason for the ban and people have long memories.

    You dug this hole for yourself.

  56. no they dug it, I just filled it in.

  57. Now as everyone goes crazy today, or as you just go away.

    This harassment is just that harassment, Mahons, Seamus Seimi, and Dave continued to defame, slander, and liable me. Warnings were given. An example was made. A cooling off period was granted.

    Mahons left on his own, and will never be banned even if he comes back, Seimi was allowed to comeback, and he wasn’t suspended for just that comment he was suspended because he was the example, and to deliver a message that I was serious.

    Seimi when he came back and the rest of you were given two weeks to vent, but instead of getting the message Seamus and Dave continued.

    Seamus was a great commenter, I liked him, but he chose to go down this path.

    Now if the rest of you choose to leave, leave. If you choose to stay, you are welcome to. You are welcome to disagree with me, you are welcome to say I’m wrong.

    You are not welcome to harass me for just the sake of harassing me, you are not welcome to call me a Liar.

    Colm spent a considerable amount of effort as did Noel to try and settle things down, both were attacked for it. The harassment of posters and commenters will end.

    This has been a site of very varied views no two alike, it has devolved into site where the commenters feel they don’t have any standards to follow.

    There are standards, Warning, example, execution. I warned, I made an example, and now strike three he’s out.

    I don’t care if you believe me, I don’t care if you think I’m the bully. It upsets me to ban someone. Even for a week, but my actions are a reaction to yours, nothing more.

    Deal with it, or leave.

  58. Seimi was allowed to comeback, and he wasn’t suspended for just that comment he was suspended because he was the example, and to deliver a message that I was serious.

    That wasn’t the reason you gave at the time. You said he was suspended for a comment he didn’t make and you can’t expect people to forget such arbitrary injustice, heavy handedness and, IMO, abuse of power overnight.

  59. Yes yes abuse of Power, arbitrary injustice, heavy handedness….

    Warning, Example, Execution.

    I’m sorry Paul, since he wouldn’t end it I did. Enough is enough.

    If you enter someone’s house and make a habit of harassing them, they eventually will no longer invite, or allow you in their house.

  60. Yes yes abuse of Power, arbitrary injustice, heavy handedness….

    I was referring to your behaviour regarding the original Seimigate incident which has led to Seamus getting banned.

    Seimi didn’t do what you claimed he did and banned him for and you can’t expect people to just forget that.

  61. Seimi should not have been banned but he was. He was reinstated after an almighty hullabaloo followed. But however people feel, that ‘hullaballo’ can’t go on for ever. There simply has to come a time when the anger ends. Simply repeating the same thing over and over again is futile. Seamus clearly decided he was going to engage in a battle of wills with Patrick on every thread until one of them relented. How is that good for the site or anyone ?

    It is extremely frustrating that Seamus, the best political analyst on this site has now been banned and somehow even though Patrick intends to lift it after a week , I don’t think Seamus will return without continuing his ‘campaign’ so all in all its just a depressing day here on ATW. I can’t think of anything else to say that might make people change what is happening.

  62. Seimi was part of that group, and just had the bad luck of being the example.

    People can’t forget that, but they can forget the warnings for the last year, they can forget how many times it was asked to stop, they can forget everything from one side of the argument while they continue with behavior they were warned would result in what it resulted.

    You can put it all on me if you choose. I feel bad, but I’m sorry it had to end.

    None of you seem to understand despite the last two weeks, well I’m serious.

    You attacked Noel for telling you and others to not engage, colm tried to talk logic and was called a brownnoser for it. You guys decided you were going to continue your course, at least Dave and Seamus did, and Seamus said go ahead ban him, well he got his wish.

    I am half the problem I acknowledge that, I tried for a year to get it to end. This isn’t about Seimigate, this is about the last year and the endless attempts to end it peacefully. They chose to not end it, so I will.

    Now am I 100% innocent, NO I own half, but only half.

    The difference is I can end it, if it hurts the site for awhile it hurts, but the nonstop harassment following people from thread to thread for the soul purpose of not engaging in the subject, but harass the poster not about the topic, but about the poster just ended.

  63. Well said Colm

  64. Seimi was part of that group, and just had the bad luck of being the example.

    You originally claimed that Seimi was banned because he called you a liar, he didn’t.

    You attacked Noel for telling you and others to not engage

    I never attacked Noel and my engagement is based on my criteria and terms as opposed to what others think.

    Colm tried to talk logic and was called a brownnoser for it.

    By Noel?

  65. Paul let me ask you.

    You support the Republican cause, over the years you’ve made me understand why. I don’t agree with you, and I think the Republican position is wrong.

    Do I call you Terrorist, do I include in every conversation you are in you can’t be believed because you’re a Terrorist?

    NO

    If everythread you were on I followed you and called you a terrorist would you consider that unjust harassment? I would.

    Yet people who don’t agree with my views call me a Liar, not because I’ve lied but because they disagree. They follow me from thread to thread and call me a Liar.

    You are not a Terrorist, and I am not a Liar. If I commented or inferred you were a terrorist every time you spoke you’d get tired of it also, and if you could stop me you would.

    I warned for a year.

  66. Troll

    You come on a video thread and attack me the very minute it’s up, and not about the post, Dave ignores the whole conversation and insists… supply the report supply the report…..

    LOL, truly pathetic. I ask in a perfectly reasonable way for you to provide evidence to back up a claim YOU MADE, which is pivotal to the point you’re making. And yet again you fail to do so.

    I can be argued with about anything. I can be criticized about anything. I will not be harassed for the sake of harassing or what it’s my imagination, I’m just a cunt and a Liar.

    So now asking you to provide evidence for a claim YOU MADE is harassment and worthy of a ban. You have truly hit rock-bottom with your dishonesty.

    So tell me were you two lying in bed together giggling…… asswipe…..

    Once again, the man who moans about ‘harassment’ and ‘insults’, is the first to cast insults. You have no credibility or respect on ATW whatsoever.

  67. Dave you reap what you sow……

  68. You are not a Terrorist, and I am not a Liar

    You said Seimi was banned for calling you a liar Pat. He didn’t, he asked you to support a claim.

    Such actions are absolutely inconsistent with free speech and whenevr free speech or abuse of power is commented on it’s perfectly legitimate to raise the incident.

  69. And what did I sow Patrick?
    I asked a perfectly reasonable question for you to provide proof of your claims that once again, you failed to do.
    But rather than man-up and admit you have no evidence, you cry like a baby and claim your being harassed and insulted. Truly pathetic.

  70. Dave and THIS was the answer you got, NOT what you just said how I responded.

    Patrick Van Roy, on November 22nd, 2020 at 3:59 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Dave if you’ve read the the thread and the conversation I’ve been having with Peter and Phantom you could plainly see that I don’t have the link to it. If I did I’d post it I’m looking for it. If I find it I’ll post it, if I don’t I won’t be able to will I? So what does that mean that I’m a Liar? or does it mean I can’t find it and I don’t keep a record of every story I’ve ever read in a file to pull out at the drop of a hat.

    I read the story, I’ve also read stories that if you don’t wear a mask even when making love you’re gonna catch the disease and die while contaminating everyone you know. Which side of the coin you chose to go with is your preference.

    Me in this case I’m taking the half full glass side. If you want to chose the half empty or if you chose to flip it and say my view is the half empty… whatever it’s your choice.

  71. I think the issue with the link is that Patrick made his 4% claim , was then asked by a couple of commenters for the link to the study , explained he couldn’t find it and then got annoyed when after saying that, Dave still asked again for the link. I think the lesson to learn is that its OK to ask for a link but not to repeatedly do so. That might be a wiser way of moving threads along.

  72. //I think the lesson to learn is that its OK to ask for a link but not to repeatedly do so. //

    Are you being serious now?

  73. That’s an answer Patrick, but it’s NOT the evidence I asked for.
    If you have no evidence for your claims, just admit it. Don’t post an obfuscated answer in the hope I’ll stop asking.
    You seem to be getting offended that people won’t take you at your word without evidence for your claims.
    Well here’s some news for you, in the real world people back-up their claims with evidence. And it’s perfectly reasonable for people to request that evidence.

  74. Paul what do you want me to say? I was wrong ? I should apologize ?

    Would it make a difference…. NO. In your eyes it would, in my eyes it would just keep encouraging the behavior from all of them.

    If I said I was wrong, and I apologized the bullshit wouldn’t stop. I’ve tried that. It didn’t.

    So I made an example out him. In your view that was wrong, in my view it was what needed to done.

    This and Seimi’s suspension were the result of a years worth of asking for civility. Seimi’s offence was not egregious, he inferred. He just inferred at the wrong moment, but if it hadn’t been him it would have been Seamus, or Dave.

    I told you all enough, I told you all A Lie is an intentional deceit which I have never done. I ask you all repeatedly to stop, no one did. Instead the opposite happened.

    So enough is enough.

    Losing Seamus is a great loss. I liked him, you described his talents well, but you ignored his vendetta. He said he will attack me on every thread, he would relate every thread to a way of attacking me and my credibility because I was a Liar and a Cunt.

    Weighing the benefit of his talent against his abusive side…. His talent doesn’t win.

    This is a site for POLITICAL discussion and argument, not a site of personal vendetta.

    The fact that he decided vendetta was more important was his decision. Not mine.

  75. Colm

    I think the issue with the link is that Patrick made his 4% claim , was then asked by a couple of commenters for the link to the study , explained he couldn’t find it and then got annoyed when after saying that, Dave still asked again for the link. I think the lesson to learn is that its OK to ask for a link but not to repeatedly do so. That might be a wiser way of moving threads along.

    Are you for real! I asked him twice and both times were before Patrick posted his 3:59 AM response. Then I didn’t ask again.
    Tell you what Colm, next time Patrick claims once again that John McCain caused the USS Forestall fire, I won’t ‘repeatedly’ ask him for evidence to keep you happy. Let’s just let Patrick continue with his gobshite claims unchallenged. Happy now?

  76. No Dave it was an honest answer I don’t have the link. and Peter, Phantom and I were discussing that civilly.

    In spite of the civil conversation taking place you demand I produce a Link…. my reflex was to just say FU, but I wrote you a fair noncombative response, and still you act like an ass.

    You’re an agitator nothing more, either add to the conversation with civility, don’t engage me, or leave, but stop being an ass.

  77. Patrick, Dave is one of the most reasonable, rational, measured people here.

  78. Paul what do you want me to say? I was wrong ? I should apologize ?

    Would it make a difference…. NO. In your eyes it would, in my eyes it would just keep encouraging the behavior from all of them.

    I think that an admission of mistake, (which it was) would go a long way to calming the waters here but we all know that won’t happen.

    Seimi’s offence was not egregious, he inferred.

    Seimi inferred nothing. He simply asked you to support a claim, something that you, I, and everyone else on this blog has done, and was banned for it.

    That’s what happened.

  79. Dave

    My only point is that I see no reason to repeat something that doesn’t get answered. Draw a conclusion to a response,(or non response) comment on it and leave it at that. It is the point I have been trying to make all along. Its the same with asking for apologies, or demanding retractions, or anything else. There is no point in banging your head against a brick wall. Its not about keeping me happy, its about stopping a repetitive boring mantra developing.

  80. You’re an agitator nothing more, either add to the conversation with civility, don’t engage me, or leave, but stop being an ass.

    I was being perfectly civil. Lets see how civil you treated me on this thread without provocation:

    So tell me were you two lying in bed together giggling…… asswipe…..

    What a dishonest hypocrite you are.

  81. Petr your not here enough to know what your talking about.

    and he maybe reasonable with you…. was Hari? Hari was just fine with me. If I am remembering correctly. It may not have been you and hari that tortured each other. Might have been hari and someone else… god forbid I don’t want to be lying by getting it wrong.

    This stops being fun today.

    I just got done telling someone how sick it made me suspending Seimi, and how I doubted I would ever ban anyone again. Then today I had no choice but to ban Seamus.

    The site comes first. Call me a bully, say whatever the F you want. I can’t have everythread on this platform as a battleground for a vendetta. Whether it’s against me or anyone.

    There are two primary posters on this site, Pete and Myself if you don’t like one of us that’s fine express your dislike, disagree with what they believe…. that is the point. This has grown beyond that into a war of wills.

    That is not what any of us are here for.

    We have a tight group a family, which is very nice. But everyone one of us can be a scary mf’r and on any given day of the week this site looks like a human meatgrinder.

    We don’t have a ton of followers we have corner bar of gits myself included.

    That must change. The site is going no where Noel. It was just upgraded behind the curtain.

    I am pushing the site on multiple platforms as are others, so we’re here for awhile.

    Gentleman we are a pack of wolves with no table manners, it’s not that we don’t have them we’ve thrown them away. Act as if people are watching and wanting to hear what you have to say and why you want to say it.

    Be Men, FIGHT, ARGUE, but Marquess of Queensberry rules.

    I apologize for suspending you Seimi, it was a Low Blow.

    Now if any of you hear what I’m saying only time will tell, and yes you can hold me to the same rules.

  82. I apologize for suspending you Seimi, it was a Low Blow.

    Oh how I wish that sentence (Thanks Patrick) could really draw a line under this whole saga. I know you probably won’t do it Patrick, but another good sign from you would be to immediately lift the ban on Seamus (however provocative he has been today) and we can as a group agree some albeit shaky ‘rules of engagement’ for the future.

  83. No I’ll do it.

    as an offering of peace Colm.

    What happens next is entirely up to him.

  84. As I said earlier if Patrick apologised to Seimi then this all ends. I’m happy to draw a line under it now.

  85. Now if any of you hear what I’m saying only time will tell, and yes you can hold me to the same rules.

    So we can ban you for repeatedly asking people for evidence to back=up their claims?

    I’ll remember that next time there’s a conversation about Tramp and Russian collusion.

  86. That’s good Patrick. Wow I do have some influence after all 🙂

    Seamus – if you are reading this I wouldn’t expect you to come back hugging and kissing Patrick, or even to express anything thankful or positive towards him but in the spirit of the site it would be good if Patrick’s apology to Seimi allowed everyone to turn the heat down a bit and, even if you think it was grudging and not effusive enough, acknowledge that its a positive development that can help draw the sting out of the whole ‘Seimigate’ affair.

    Just saw Seamus’ comment. Thanks Seamus, I feel a warm glow developing now 🙂

  87. That apology doesn’t go far enough

    (Only kidding 😁)

  88. I apologize for suspending you Seimi, it was a Low Blow.

    You didn’t suspend me. You banned me.

    Yes, I know, I’m being pedantic. But in your first two emails to me regarding this, you didn’t mention ‘suspended’ once. You mentioned ‘ban/banned/banning’ seven times.

    And yes, it was a low blow.

    At least Seamus is back. I can delete the reply I was initially going to post.

  89. Seimi

    At least Seamus is back. I can delete the reply I was initially going to post.

    I was going to leave for good. Patrick fucked-up his chance to get rid of me. 🙂

  90. Dave

    This is all a fucking joke. I really, really wish David was reading some of this. It’s his site, his brand, that’s being shit all over.

  91. Seimi

    Yes it was a ban, and under pressure from others here it became a suspension. We all know how stubborn Patrick can be and I am surprised he did apologise. We can’t always get everything we want and sometimes we just have to accept a smaller compromise. Don’t compromise your principles, but I hope you fin a way to stay here and try and get back to some regular commenting.

  92. Colm

    I do understand the significance of Troll’s apology, because it is, as I have said from the start, an admission that he lied, but really – I’d have preferred it if he had apologised for what he actually did, rather than what he wants people to think he did.

    I may get back to regular commenting soon, but right now I’m just really pissed off with him and his abuse of the tiny amount of power he has here.

  93. Seimi,

    Dave

    This is all a fucking joke. I really, really wish David was reading some of this. It’s his site, his brand, that’s being shit all over.

    Absolutely mate. It should never have progressed this far in the first place.
    Patrick took a bad mood out on you, but he should have done the right thing, and reversed his banning made in haste straight away.

  94. David is perfectly aware of what has transpired.

  95. Dave I don’t want to het rid of anyone.

    Just civility.

  96. this is a good day
    lets have a rule
    if you post a claim , just be prepared to be asked to back it up
    and when asked don’t row or ignore or pussy foot
    just present what ya got
    that will elevate the whole site

    so for example I make the claim Trunk is worse than any antifa we have had in the summer
    how do i back that up
    quote today i well know senior republican , no friend of the left said this
    “Right now Trump is throwing rocks through windows, he is the political equivalent of a street rioter,” Bolton said.
    Right so that is backed up, evidence provided and there we have it
    feel free to argue against that , or accept it , or whatever
    but provide something if you want to argue against it . Or it is just the truth, and stand on its own merits..

    Fair and reasonable and civil .. 🙂

  97. David is perfectly aware of what has transpired.

    And does he support and agree with what you have done here over the past couple of weeks?

  98. Has he interfered Seimi?

    My conversations between David and I are just that between David and I.

    I should also include an apology for sharing our correspondence I’m sorry I didn’t think you would mind, I thought you would rather have it included than not.

  99. I’m not asking you to disclose everything you and David may have discussed. It’s a simple enough question: is he fully aware of what happened, and does he agree with and support how you have so far ‘handled’ it?

    And regarding the correspondence:

    1.You absolutely should have asked.

    2. You should been honest enough to post it all, rather than just two emails, thus giving the impression that I contacted you, rather than the other way around.

    By the way, whether he interfered or not doesn’t matter. He may not have interfered because he isn’t fully aware of what went on.

  100. Looks like I picked the right time to duck out and put up Christmas decorations! All sorted out then?

  101. Patrick has asked me to write a post and I was scratching my head wandering what topic to write it on, but this whole affair has decided for me. No its not going to be a dissection of the ‘Seimigate’ affair , but it will be on a theme that feeds into what I think helps leads to such incidents.

    Watch this space !

  102. you did charles, you did
    lines can be drawn i think ..
    I’m still calling BS on anyone if they post and don’t back up
    only move 🙂

  103. colm , if you’re really stuck, there’s always flynn and the steele dossier 🙂 🙂 🙂
    ( pulls hair out )

  104. Kurt

    You’d need to ply me with lots of Gin before I’d mention bloody flynn 🙂

  105. lol
    if you follow phantom and do a post of site-seeing and cycling in london, i’ll never forgive ya ..lol

  106. Don’t worry kurt, theres’no danger of any post showing me riding round London in my cycling shorts 🙂

  107. Where is Phantom?

  108. cycling round brooklyn 😉 on a mission from God # blues brothers 😉

  109. lol

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