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By Patrick Van Roy On November 26th, 2020

worth the read

20 Responses to “Gratitude”

  1. The author applies the tragedy of the commons correctly when discussing traffic congrestion. But the doesn’t apply it correctly when discussing the Plymouth colony. Ultimately the tragedy of the commons is actually a rebuke of laissez faire capitalism – that over-exploitation of a finite resource will lead to its removal, and thus some system of regulation to prevent over-exploitation is needed.

    Firstly the colony didn’t nearly starve. That was a myth invented during the Cold War. It also wasn’t some conversion from collective farming communism to private property capitalism. Property rights already existed. It was just the land was owned by a corporation, and decided by contract, not the collective property of the whole people. Now it still had the same issues identified (though not famine) because the individuals farming it were tenants of the landlord, rather than owners of the land. It was a transfer from the more traditional, almost feudal concept of landownership to the new capitalist model.

  2. Sorry Seamus it’s not a myth and the whole reason this holiday exists, which it did long before the cold war.

    On June 28, 1870, President Ulysses S. Grant signed into law the Holidays Act that made Thanksgiving a yearly appointed federal holiday in Washington D.C. On January 6, 1885, an act by Congress made Thanksgiving, and other federal holidays, a paid holiday for all federal workers throughout the United States.

    but never let reality get in the way……

  3. Except Thanksgiving was introduced by the Plymouth colony in 1621 and communal farming wasn’t abolished until 1623. So the two are unrelated.

    Thanksgiving wasn’t created during the Cold War. The myth of starvation caused by communal farming in the Plymouth colony was created during the Cold War.

  4. oh ok whatever you say must be true…… never mind four hundred years of American history Seamus in Ireland knows the REAL story better than any American.

  5. and he says the cold war began in 1623

  6. “and he says the cold war began in 1623”

    No, I didn’t. Forget history, you clearly need a course in basic reading comprehension.

  7. Pat, when your Mom’s Apple Pie version of history is corrected by foreigners does it really frustrate you som much that you mindñessly blarb the first thing that comes into your head?

    And he says the cold war began in 1623

    He didn’t say that atl all. Not anywhere.

  8. really…. what he said was more farcical.

    but Seamus knows….. lol gobble gobble

  9. “but Seamus knows….. lol gobble gobble”

    What did I say that wasn’t correct?

  10. besides good morning….. oh wait you didn’t even say that right did ya

    gobble gobble

  11. He didn’t say what you said he did though, did he?

    But Seamus knows…..

    I assume he knows, like I do, that this ridiculous claim is trotted out and debated each year:


    Thanksgiving was introduced by the Plymouth colony in 1621 and communal farming wasn’t abolished until 1623

    That is irrefutable:

    The first Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1621. The system of collective ownership known as the “common course” was abandoned in 1623. And it was abandoned not because of famine but because the settlers wanted to make more money. As for Jamestown, their biggest problems were drought and malaria, not socialism.

  12. Seamus/Paul today is Thanksgiving, to me it’s a not a holy day but a day of goodwill.

    I’m not arguing today…. I am filled with thanks and good will.

    Sorry, smile, may your road rise to meet you today.

    Tomorrow we can twist each others ankles.

  13. I’m not arguing today….

    Fair enough although if you don’t want debate argument you shouldn’t post hoary old historical revisionist political stories.

  14. gobble gobble

  15. You don’t half talk some gobblers sometimes.

  16. ……….

  17. “I’m not arguing today…. I am filled with thanks and good will.”

    Which would be fair enough. If I was being less charitable I would say you wanted to debate, then lost the debate, and then decided you didn’t want to debate.

  18. I think Patrick’s choking on his Turkey 😉

  19. I think he’s choking his chicken……

  20. I don’t want that image in my head 🤮