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Denial a common affliction

By Patrick Van Roy On November 29th, 2020

The court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn and a group of Orthodox Jewish synagogues who argued that Cuomo’s rules unfairly targeted them, violating the Constitution’s guarantee of religious freedom.

The gov had barred attendance of more than 10 people at religious services in a red zone and 25 in an orange zone — no matter how big the church, mosque or temple. Now he insists the ruling is “more illustrative of the Supreme Court than anything else” because Justice Amy Coney Barrett replaced the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has called for a response from New Jersey officials after a church and synagogue petitioned the court to intervene in their lawsuit, alleging the state unequally applies COVID-19 restrictions to religious activities.

State officials must respond by 6 p.m. ET Dec. 3, at which time the houses of worship bringing the appeal would have a chance to respond.

33 Responses to “Denial a common affliction”

  1. It’s a fair judgement if the decision to uphold appeals against the restrictions are based on a genuine unfairness of application but in grounds that somehow religious crowd gatherings must be exempt from public health laws. I read that the Supreme Court have tossed out claims against restrictions from other religious groups in other states which suggests the court is not ruling in terms of made up special religous freedoms.

  2. Such a narrow ruling suggests that the law on the matter is unclear.

  3. The only clear law I would imagine is the one of due process and equal application of statutes and policy which the Supreme Court would rule on. There is no Constitution law that says if your building is a religious one it is somehow magically exempt from public health and safety laws.

  4. There is no Constitution law that says if your building is a religious one it is somehow magically exempt from public health and safety laws.

    That’s the argument that ‘conservatives’ & ‘patriots’ are making in the US.

  5. No the argument being made is you can’t take 2 buildings that both hold 1000 people and build A is allowed to have 250 People cause it’s a titty bar, but build B same size can only have 25 People because it’s a church.

    The second position is it’s a violation of the 1st in 2 areas 1. Freedom of Religion, and 2. Freedom of Assembly

  6. No the argument being made is you can’t take 2 buildings that both hold 1000 people and build A is allowed to have 250 People cause it’s a titty bar, but build B same size can only have 25 People because it’s a church.

    Then the argument isn’t about freedom of religion, it’s about government categorisation.

    First Amendment freedom of assembly isn’t absolute.

  7. They’re persecuting the religious.

  8. You’re talking balls.

  9. you can’t take 2 buildings that both hold 1000 people and build A is allowed to have 250 People cause it’s a titty bar, but build B same size can only have 25 People because it’s a church

    Where has such a rule been enacted. In what city / state and on what day

  10. No the democrat governors especially granny killer cuomo are persecuting the christians and the jews. They’re not even trying to hide it. As an outside observer if you can’t see that then your missing what a ton of people including the SC can see as plain as the nose on your face.

    They’ve singled them out and it’s a violation of the very fiber of this nation. That’s the only thing that matters. They have no Authority to do so period.

  11. So you can’t give any such example

    Thought so

  12. No the democrat governors especially granny killer cuomo are persecuting the christians and the jews

    They’re not.

    They’ve singled them out and it’s a violation of the very fiber of this nation.

    They haven’t and it’s not.

  13. I don’t have to give example the SC has done so and gently twice. Phantom are you going to deny the jews are being singled out in NY ?

  14. Right now the world is in limbo because I don’t care what side of the coin you’re on no one knows who will actually be President.

    If it’s Trump a lot of these governors have a lot of problems ahead. If it’s Biden the citizens have a lot of problems ahead.

    Right now, and until who it’s going to be is settled how everything is going to break is in the air.

    The Mayors and Governors have exceeded their Legal Authority and acted Under Color of Law on multiple fronts. Whether it stops or gets worse will be decided by whose President.

  15. The Orthodox Jews are intentionally flouting crowd regulations. They are not being targeted for being Jews. They are being held to the same rules that everyone must follow.

  16. Pat, are Muslims being religiously persecuted in NYS too?

    No one knows who will actually be President.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  17. There is no health emergency, and Governor Cuomo’s rules and regs have killed more Americans than anywhere else in the country. You name it, he did it wrong the death count in his state speaks to how well his rules have done. 10s of thousands died around him cut off from seeing their loved ones while he wrote a book on how great he was doing.

    His record shows he has no grounds to tell any group what to do let alone a religious one.

    but hey your granny died alone in the nursing home…. too bad give that man an Emmy…

    History will look back in horror.

  18. There is no religious persecution of any kind in NYS.

    History will look back in horror

    Yes, that’s Trump’s legacy.

  19. Not all Orthodox, the Hasids, Many non Hassid Orthodox are obeying the law.

    The Hassidics are completely disrespecting the law, and have caused major disease spikes in their neighborhoods

    PVR whines about lockdowns while he supports the spreaders Of disease

    Why?

  20. Phantom

    Yes I meant the hassidics, they’re all orthodox aren’t they, ? or do I need to brush up on my Jewish knowledge.

    I guess I could take lessons from Allan 😊

  21. I think we really do all need to salute Patrick for his unwavering belief that the Presidential election result is still up in the air 👏

  22. All Hasidics are Orthodox but many Orthodox are not Hasidic

    I know Orthodox who obey the law and who are disgusted by the conduct of the secretive, separatist weirdo Hasid cults (/there are subdivisions )

  23. This verdict is interesting, not for the actual issue – who really gives a toss if churches can pack their pews and spread the virus among the faithful who are stupid enough to crowd in? Darwin awards await them as they drop like flies in the weeks after.

    No, the reason the verdict is interesting is because this is precisely how the court will vote next year on Roe v Wade. Mrs Sperm has guaranteed that it will be struck down. How sad that the Dear Leader will be out of office when it happens.

  24. Trump is responsible for the deaths of many of his own supporters at super spreader rallies; Tulsa And so many others

    Some pastors, priests, and rabbis Similarly choose to spread the virus among their own believers

    There is a special place in hell for all these bad leaders, these false prophets, these betrayers

  25. A Virus no matter how many it kills doesn’t override the Constitution.

    This virus was Bad, it’s killed a lot. It’s still bad and will kill more. So what?

    You’ve got a 99% chance of survival even without the vaccine, and you’ve got a vaccine coming if you want it. But either way there are no wagons rolling up and down the streets for people to throw our dead into.

    They are abusing their authority and their desire is to ratchet it up, not down.

  26. Peter

    Your 1:08am comment is very blaise and indeed naive. Do you think the people packing into churches or any other crowd gatherings only affect each other ? Of course not. They go into stores and various public transports and other people’s homes and will spread the infection to other unwitting people who aren’t behaving recklessly. If it was possible to restrict the contagion only to the people who behave foolishly then yes we could say go ahead fill your boots, but life and the virus doesn’t behave like that. Other people too pay th price for their selfishness and they shouldn’t be permitted to harm the public good.

  27. As one sees, the issue is no longer the ‘virus’ but the legalities of the BS relating to counter-measures. Up here, nobody talks about anybody dying or hospitalised because nobody is dying or hospitalised: the chit-chat relates to what tier we’re in today etc. Good move by the authorities.

    https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/

    However, a new study (link removed or site crashed but now available at Archive.org) published by Dr. Genevieve Briand at Johns Hopkins University notes some critical accounting errors done at the national level. The study – which is still being vetted – simply examines the raw data that should have been questioned months ago. The overall conclusion is that Covid-19, at least according to collected data, is not the killer disease that it is currently hyped up to be. AIER is not endorsing the study as is without further study, but we are interested in the argument being examined and discussed.

    And it becomes clearer how such a situation came about. Who are the government’s handlers?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54944125

    The next two weeks will be “absolutely crucial” if England’s lockdown is to end as planned on 2 December, a government scientific adviser has said.

    Prof Susan Michie said the public must resist breaking the rules in order to “be in a position” to spend the festive period with loved ones.

    News of a potential vaccine would make “no difference” to the current wave but could lead to complacency, she added.

    Professor Susan Michie – she must be a top-level biologist/virologist? Nope

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Michie

    She is a chartered clinical psychologist and a chartered health psychologist, and a fellow of the British Psychological Society.

    She is director of UCL’s Centre for Behaviour Change and of its Health Psychology Research Group.[3]

    Behaviour Change – as applied to the entire population? Looks like a psy-op

    She is a member of the Communist Party of Britain (CPB),

    I’ll stay with ‘behaviour’ and how to change it in a population:

    https://www.rt.com/uk/508163-army-information-war-vaccines/

    According to a report in the Sunday Times, ministers are preparing to launch a massive public information campaign to convince people to take the jab. Behind the scenes, however, the Times reported that the British Army has mobilized the 77th Brigade’s Defence Cultural Specialist Unit to monitor and counter “online propaganda against vaccines.”

    …..according to a number of media reports, the unit counts at least one Twitter executive among its ranks, and is said to create and manage fake social media profiles to shape public opinion.

    The media discovered that the 77th Brigade’s speciality, according to a plaque on the wall of its Berkshire base, is creating “behavioural change.”

    Ordering military intelligence to run a psychological operation on the domestic population should be something frightening no matter the context. Within the context of this vaccine, however, that fright becomes amplified exponentially.

    Many people have suggested that this vaccine amounts to some form of biological warfare against the population. Of course, we don’t know that, because we don’t know anything. We don’t know anything, because we’re not allowed to discuss it, and if we attempt to discuss it, we apparently get hit with military intelligence psy-ops.

    What we do know is this: the coronavirus isn’t and has never been a serious threat. The government has consistently lied about the virus. We have very little accurate information about the virus, but what we know as a matter of fact is that the total death count of 2020 is not increased significantly over the total death count of any other year, meaning that people that are dying from this disease would have died from something else. This fact was recently admitted in a publication from Johns Hopkins University.

    What is also confirmed fact is that the government has used its lockdown to:

    Strip us of virtually all of our most basic freedoms
    Transfer billions of pounds/dollars from the middle-class to billionaires
    Completely destroy the concept of small-businesses by closing them down and transferring their share of the economy to multinational corporations

    Not one single element of this program is related to public health.

  28. So, Communists and British Military Intelligence in a psyop to change people’s behaviour to accept biological warfare against the population at the behest of George Soros, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos for something or other.

    As my oul lad used to say, ‘thon eegit’s head’s cut’

  29. Is Hugo Chavez involved?

    ( Is, not was. Trumpers think that he is still alive )

  30. Paul – what part of the links and explanatory narrative at 1.09pm is incorrect and unsupported?

    We see that the Corona-virus is no worse than flu and is probably a variant thereof hence

    The overall conclusion is that Covid-19, at least according to collected data, is not the killer disease that it is currently hyped up to be.

    We see that

    British Army has mobilized the 77th Brigade’s Defence Cultural Specialist Unit to monitor and counter “online propaganda against vaccines.”

    and that

    …..77th Brigade’s speciality, according to a plaque on the wall of its Berkshire base, is creating “behavioural change.”

    One of the senior advisors to government is

    ……director of UCL’s Centre for Behaviour Change and of its Health Psychology Research Group

    who also happens to be……..

    a member of the Communist Party of Britain

    How on earth do communists, who are known totalitarians, end up on committees with big-pharma? After all, their interests are diametrally opposed, no?

    And then there is you – and you agree with corporates on everything. Mandatory vaccination to fly – completely unforeseeable 🙂

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8996725/Vaccination-passport-tourists-COVID-19-shot-development.html

    ‘COVID-passport’ for tourists who have had a coronavirus vaccine is in final stages of development amid reports airlines will BAN anyone who has refused the injection

  31. Allan

    Why don’t you add a few of the other fanatics Here start your own airline

    “ Truther Air “

    Special discount fare for all diseased passengers who refuse to wear masks

  32. Paul – what part of the links and explanatory narrative at 1.09pm is incorrect and unsupported?

    The part were you imply that British Communists are coducting psyops behavioral change biological warfare against a population.

    Now, I’ve indulged you enough, you headcase.

  33. Paul – Professor Susan Michie is a member of the Communist Party. She is on an advisory panel with great influence over government policy, and her speciality is Behavioural Change. As I visit the town centre, I see huge numbers of fat, wheezy, morons wearing masks and they jump out of my way whenever I share the same aisle when in the supermarket: behaviour has been changed and if the government were to announce the ‘All Clear’, these fat morons would still wear masks because they’re unreachable.

    Further, as one sees, the British Army has fake personae on the internet to shape opinion and create “behavioural change” in relation to the vaccines which are apparently imminent and to be applied to the population in a coercive manner. ATW had a visitor from such places who went by the handle of ‘masterson’: I called him out several times. He/she would be able to report to his bosses that all-is-well at ATW for the morons are keeping themselves in order without any need for external ‘assistance’, even when facts are placed before their eyes.

    FACT – Professor Susan Michie is a communist
    FACT – she specialises in Behavioural Change
    FACT – the British Army is commissioned to carry out a campaign of “behavioural change” on the internet to get vaccine-compliance
    FACT – Corona-virus is no more fatal than flu

    Those are the dots – try and join them