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TRUMP INCITED NO-ONE

By Pete Moore On January 9th, 2021

You don’t need to have heard President Trump’s words this week to know he didn’t incite anyone into claiming a free tour of the Capitol Building. That no news outlet or talking head quotes any of the President’s words is all you need to know. If he did make statements inciting the crowd they would have been repeated so often by now that you’d never forget them. It’s not brave or right to denounce someone simply because everyone else is doing so. So fair play to Alan Dershowitz. This is not the first time he has defended a political opponent simply by sticking to principle –

The Democrats know that there is no case for impeachment. They are simply demonstrating yet again that the left never passes up an opportunity. An impeachment would be a hand grenade tossed into the GOP. Dems know that some Republicans would vote Aye and that this will split the party. A Republican voting to impeach would likely be primaried by their own side. It would be an internal war. Senior Dems don’t give a stuff about Trump. He’s as good as gone. Their play is all about the future and destroying the GOP.

24 Responses to “TRUMP INCITED NO-ONE”

  1. That no news outlet or talking head quotes any of the President’s words is all you need to know. If he did make statements inciting the crowd they would have been repeated so often by now that you’d never forget them.

    But they have been repeated, endlessly. Here’s a snippet:

    “The best is yet to come. We’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue — I love Pennsylvania Avenue — and we’re going to the Capitol. And we’re going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything, not even one vote — but we’re going to try to give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help; we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.”

    Trump was addressing a crowd of at least 50,000 within a mile of the Capitol. He knew that at least some of them would not be peaceful. So he owns the riot.

  2. A Republican voting to impeach would likely be primaried by their own side. It would be an internal war. Senior Dems don’t give a stuff about Trump. He’s as good as gone. Their play is all about the future and destroying the GOP.

    Why should they bother? Trump has already done such a great job there, I doubt if the Dems will even try.

  3. Daniel Goldman – or here’s why you’re wrong petem:

    To be clear, Trump is a danger to democracy and our national security, and he must be removed immediately. He should resign, and if not, Pence should initiate removal through the 25th Am. The public and media should not accept Pence/the cabinet shirking their oaths.

    Separately, the House should move forward with impeachment to set a clear precedent that Trump’s anti-democratic behavior will not be tolerated in the future, and to send that message to the world. It is vital to reinforce our fundamental values through impeachment.

    The unfortunate reality, though, is that it is unlikely that impeachment and Senate conviction and removal can happen much before Jan 20 (even if McConnell moves quickly, as he can), which is why the 25th Amendment — not impeachment — is the appropriate avenue for removal.

  4. He told the thousands of people before him to march down Pennsylvania Avenue the mile and a half to the Capitol, to put pressure on Congress “peacefully and patriotically”. But in an address that used the words “fight” and “fighting” 20 times, from the mouth of a leader who had consistently winked at violence by his followers, it had the weight of a caveat tacked on as an afterthought.

  5. “On Wednesday, Trump responded to open insurrection in the halls of Congress, which left at least five people dead, by repeating false claims about having the election stolen from him and telling the mob: “Go home. We love you. You’re very special.”…

    The playbook for the Maga invasion of the nation’s Capitol building on Wednesday has been developing for years in plain sight, at far-right rallies in cities like Charlottesville, Berkeley and Portland, and then, in the past year, at state capitols across the country, where heavily armed white protesters have forced their way into legislative chambers to accuse politicians of tyranny and treason…

    The mob that stormed politicians’ offices and the Senate floor in Washington DC on Wednesday did not appear to be a disciplined cadre of extremists, but instead a “mishmash of random people”, said Hampton Stall, a researcher who monitors American militia groups and who spent the day analyzing video footage, photographs and news reports. There were known extremists, including white supremacists who had marched in Charlottesville; QAnon conspiracy theory adherents; members of the Oath Keepers militia; members of the Proud Boys, a far-right street-fighting group; and rightwing media provocateurs. Others appeared to be “random people who are committed to whatever Trump means to them”, many of them wearing Trump hats or carrying Trump flags, Stall said. This volatile mixture of rightwing activists had been coalescing in the past year at protests across the country, from anti-lockdown demonstrations to Maga car rallies to “Stop the Steal” protests, Stall said.

    The first major protest last year took place in Virginia, after Democrats won control of the state government and promised to pass stricter gun control laws. An estimated 22,000 people, many of them armed, demonstrated at the state capitol in Richmond in January, chanting “we will not comply”. Young men wore T-shirts that read “Make politicians afraid again”, and someone set up a model guillotine in the street. Trump had tweeted his support for the Virginia protesters…

    The broad idea of Trump supporters storming the US Capitol to overturn the election certification in his favor had been circulating among a range of supporters well in advance of 6 January. Rioters had circulated their plans publicly on social media for weeks, and Trump himself promised Wednesday’s protest would be “wild”…

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/capitol-mob-attack-rightwing-rallies-trump

  6. petem why you defending this b1tch, when everyone knows he should resign forthwith
    have you lost you moral compass or your bottle , which one ?

  7. Peter –

    That proves my point. “We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue” is not incitement. In fact it’s boilerplate left wing protest rhetoric over there. Millions of people have said they going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. Millions more have declared that they will “march on the Capitol”. What Trump said was perfectly normal for the occasion.

    Come on. Our history books are full of denunciations in far off countries of hapless victims. We are not meant to follow that example.

    A frightenenly large number of people have said, in the last few days, that they want Trump cherged and it’s simply because they don’t like him. Sensible people of all stripes resist this.

  8. so now ya defending the constitution as Dersowitch sees it
    recently you weren’t defending it , as regards the election and certification
    maybe just cherry picking to give yourself a fig-leaf
    who knows , ya change your principles depending upon which way the wind blows !

  9. kurt –

    Alan Dershowitz defended the consitution as he sees it. President Trump is entitled to contest the outcome of the election. Democrats have done so many times. Of course there was electoral fraud. There always is. No-one serious thinks otherwise, and the statistical anomolies in this one are wild. But I was right in that Trump had no chance of overturning the result. The question for someone in his position is whether or not it’s wise to contest the outcome. Sometimes people in senoir positions just have to suck it up.

    Trump can’t even shop online now. Maybe you would like his bank accounts frozen too? Would it be too soft to allow him to buy food?

  10. Pete

    I agree that Trump should not be impeached, but only because it’s too late now and there is no need to raise the political temperature even higher in his last ten days. And what he said on Wednesday would probably not amount to incitement in a court of law. But that doesn’t mean he’s off the hook for what happened.

    His Wednesday video when he told the rioters that he loved them was genuine and if he was still on Twitter he would have reneged from his Thursday hostage video condemnation by now. Just like he “condemned” the Charlottesville Nazis one day and was back to praising them the next day. Twitter should have let him hang himself because he would surely have done it by now.

    By Monday the show will have moved on when he announces an advance pardon for himself and maybe others as well. Crooked Rudy could be a relieved man.

  11. I also agree that Impeachment is pointless and even any form of prosecution would be unjustified, but to deny that he has any form of responsibility for the events of Wednesday is absurd. You don’t have to speak literally to be tied to the consequences, and his first statement hours after the invasion had occurred demonstrated quite clearly he wasn’t at all angered or repulsed by what was occurring.

  12. Peter –

    Lots of talking heads discuss if Trump will pardon himself but none of them detail the crimes for which he would do so. An aged Russian or Chinaman would recognise this tactic of drawing doubt on ideological enemies.

    Genuine liberals ought to resist.

  13. any 1/2 decent person would resign , seeing what happened, seeing he called the rally, seeing he said it’d be wild . He isn’t this is the problem, even if he’d get off the technical legalistic incitement charge .
    Resignation is the appropriate thing to do here – accept some mea culpa

  14. Pete’s post confirms what we’ve all known for some time. ATW has turned into a parody website. LOL Pete, good one * wink wink*

  15. Lots of talking heads discuss if Trump will pardon himself but none of them detail the crimes for which he would do so.

    Pete

    I’ve no doubt that we’ll get to discuss this next week after he has announced the pardon. If there have been no crimes, why the pardon? And no doubt Trump-enabler Dershovitz will proclaim its total legality if he hasn’t already done so. He seems to be a self-appointed proponent of the divine right of kings presidents to do whatever the **** they feel like doing because they have been annointed by God the constitution to do just that. And Trump has frequently spouted that authoritarian bullshit.

  16. Colm, on January 9th, 2021 at 9:42 PM Said: Edit Comment
    I also agree that Impeachment is pointless and even any form of prosecution would be unjustified, but to deny that he has any form of responsibility for the events of Wednesday is absurd. You don’t have to speak literally to be tied to the consequences, and his first statement hours after the invasion had occurred demonstrated quite clearly he wasn’t at all angered or repulsed by what was occurring.

    I have to agree with Colm

    You don’t have to speak literally to be tied to the consequences, and his first statement hours after the invasion had occurred demonstrated quite clearly he wasn’t at all angered or repulsed by what was occurring.

    and it needs to be applied EQUALLY….. After a Sanders Supporter shot the republican baseball team putting several bullet holes in Steve Scalise, Congresswoman Waters told people at an event she was speaking to “HARRASS every republican, get in the face of every staff member every republican, don’t let them eat in public, don’t give them a moment of peace, let they no they are not welcome anywhere”

    As city after city burned and people died in riots all summer long not one Democrat would go on record to condemn. VP Kamala Harris put up a tweet encouraging donations to BAIL OUT looters arsonists and rioters, multiple members of President Biden’s campaign staff did the same thing and gave money.

    If that’s not endorsement nothing is….. to after a shooting to encourage harassments, to bailout rioters who caused BILLIONS of dollars of damage and those tweets by Harris are still up on her account she refused to take them down.

    So yes lets apply these standards.

    The tweets and Donations to bail out domestic terrorists by Harris and Biden are both a REAL act of Sedition.

    Ahh but they’re democrats…. Waters, Harris, Biden the Laws and Rules don’t apply to them, they ONLY APPLY to Republicans and if your a Republican Trump supporter well shit just double the sentence whatever it is for wrong thinking on top.

  17. Actually turns out he is guilty of incitement as cnn reports during the seige he and Rudy were phoning senators blackmailing them with the quid pro quo of … you block the votes well let the national guard in .
    There’s your crime , as as pat will say .. all perfectly proper for the pouts to do ,,, tight pat ?

  18. Begging for “unity” after committing heinous acts without acknowledging the depravity of those actions — and those who incited and committed them — skips several critical steps. You cannot have unity without acceptance of responsibility and accountability for those who did this

    Daniel Goldman

  19. //That no news outlet or talking head quotes any of the President’s words is all you need to know. //

    Or all YOU need to NOT know. I heard the BBC quote his exact words just last night, and several other media over the past few days.

    But you don’t hear any of that because you’re blinkered by the need for propaganda. You live in the same empire of lies that Trump has created around himself.

    Start with his fake skin colour, fake hair, then onto fake heroics, fake successes, fake personal virtues, fake allegations. You’ve swallowed all his shit for Christ’s sake.

  20. “and the statistical anomolies in this one are wild.”

    No they are not. They are simply nonsense spouted by people who don’t understand statistics, or people who do understand statistics and are pretending they don’t.

  21. Trump has not reached out to the family of the police officer who was murdered by those who rioted in the name of Donald Trump.

    Trump has also not spoken to the vice president of the United States since the riots that he incited.

    Both facts are completely astonishing

    This man was never fit to lead anything

  22. As for no incitement, here’s Giuliani firing up the angry crowd: “Let’s have trial by combat!” and notice the immediate response of one of Trump’s foot soldiers (from 01:14)

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-dangerous-capitol-riot/index.html

  23. Pete, Patrick

    Any comment on Pence’s refusal to try to defy the Constitution at Trump’s request?

    Any comment on the visible neo Nazi presence at this rally and insurrection / riot?

  24. PGA will be cancelling all tournaments and instituting a lifetime ban of ever holding events at Trump Courses including stripping Trump of hosting the 2022 PGA Championship, insider says…

    This will be a devastating blow. All his fault.

    His business career will end in rapid collapse much as his political career crashed and burned

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