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The Other Side

By Patrick Van Roy On January 11th, 2021

We are enjoying a nice conversation about the shutting down of Parler. You may find it informative to hear both sides of what is going on. For your education and to arm you with the facts from both sides the video below is Dan Bongino, one of the Owners of Parler. To argue a position intelligently you should know the views of both sides. To those of you who can not tolerate to hear the other side I beg of you swallow your bile and listen. This event and this issue is more important than the weight you are giving it.

87 Responses to “The Other Side”

  1. Listen to this kumquat for an hour?

    Let’s all do anything else.

    What does he say about insurrectionists using his site when they were organizing the treasonous raid?

    Any bon mots?

  2. of course…. skip it Listen to Phantom he knows more about the Parler shutdown than the owner… he knows more about everything there is…. He’s a NYr he knows everything.

    What does he say about insurrectionists using his site when they were organizing the treasonous raid?

    If your ears weren’t so full of shit from your head being up your ass you would hear because it’s talked about…. but why listen.. you already know…..

    what a freakin maroon

    That’s the danger ladies and gentleman Phantom and his ilk don’t want you to hear anyone but them, their view is the only one…… remember that.

  3. if you know dan bongino you already know he is full of shit and there is no reason to waste the bandwidth to listen to his nonsense

    He is nothing but an unfiltered conduit for the twittler in chief, if turnip thinks it bongino says it and vice versa

  4. He has a BIG mouth

    But he snuck that indemnification provision into Parler first time registrations, so he’s smarter than his customers, we can agree on that.

    That provision may be enacted in this aftermath of the Parler/Trump Insurrection

    The FBI will be giving his files a good looking through

  5. Now New York State Bar Association moving to strike off Guiliani …

    Meanwhile another great encroachment on freedom of expression: Pornhub has announced it has removed Trump from its platform.

  6. I had a discussion with friends today.

    All agreed that it is so terribly sad to think of how good and perhaps great a leader that Giuliani was, only to wind up broken, in this field of ruins.

  7. Patrick is correct in one respect. This issue is not being given enough serious attention. Freedom of speech is under real attack in this country by big tech oligarchs. If they can silence the President, they can silence anyone.

    On a side note, I think Jack Dorsey is an idiot. Trump made Twitter with his 88 million followers, and now that he’s gone, Twitter’s stock continues a downward slide.

  8. Even Merkel in Germany is concerned about this and the precedent it sets.

  9. The brownshirts of the left are using this riot as their Reichstag fire. This crap will get out of hand very quickly.

  10. Bongino EP is former Secret Service and former NYPD and a conservative voice on the right, the fact that you and others view him eschew is of no shock.

    What is also no shock is that no one has word one to say about the information presented only the presenter.

    You’re low information voters, and you prefer to remain that way. It is a choice, but it proves the expression ignorance is bliss and that’s where you choose to swim, in your sea of ignorance.

    well lead a horse to water.

  11. the “fuck your feelings” crowd sure is expressing a lot of feelings about Parler today

  12. This is about civil rights not feelings kurt

  13. off topic….

    Later this month they test the new heavy lift rocket engines for the first time in configuration 5 engines they put out over 30% more thrust than the most powerful rocket engines ever used for flight. If they don’t blow up on the pad they will power Artemis to the moon in the next two years…..
    https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis/

  14. an angle for profit can always be found…. in the spirit of banning… a cigar shop has banned all Biden voters….. the best part none of his clientele were Biden supporters but he point a sign in his window to outraged the local press and get himself in the news…

    he’s getting orders for cigars from all over the country…. gotta have an angle in retail

  15. Yeah I know his background which he uses to legitimize his batshit crazy conspiracy theories

  16. apparently there was a massive pro turnip protest outside twitter head quarters

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/11/22225721/twitter-protest-san-francisco-trump-stopthesteal-deplatforming

    according to the article the antiprotest protest was almost as large

  17. We’ve been coddling far right conservatives for 250 years and it’s never once worked out well. We’re not going to coddle them anymore. It’s time for them to grow the fuck u

  18. kurt

    If you think ‘far right conservatives’ shouldn’t have freedom of speech or access to online communication platforms, who should make that decision and who defines what is a ‘Far Right Conservatiove’.

    PS – Would the same apply to Far Left Liberals ?

  19. Patrick — I watched for a few minutes but there’s only so much madness a man can take.

    I have been greatly enjoying the psychological and indeed logical somersaults ‘libertarians’ are needing to take on the question of the power of big tech.

    ‘Libertraians’ 2015: You can’t compel a baker to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple

    ‘Libertarians’ 2021: Social media companies shouldn’t be allowed to remove users who contravene their terms of service

    What???

    Back on planet earth, sensible people will see that Silicon Valley dudes who won the start-up lotto should not be determining who gets access to the public square. How we get to a better situation is where the debate should be at.

  20. Petr.

    I’m going to give you comment of the day.

  21. Petr’s final sentence is a perfectly sensible and balanced analysis , but I have to remark his rightful claim about the hypocrisy of Libertarians can also be laid at the other side. The liberals who have been correctly passionate about govts. using strong anti discrimination laws to limit the powers of employers and service providers now suddenly championing the ‘rights’ of private companies to act as they wish.

  22. it maybe knee jerk , but after 9/11 you didn’t have americans cheering on Al Quaidi
    you do in this case we’re talking about .
    In this climate with domestic terrorism threats at an all time high FBI have declared up to 50 planned attacks .. there’s no choice in the matter .. you have to shut these people and their networks down .. The threat level demands such extreme action ..
    This is not a free speech issue its a terrorist issue ..

  23. “The liberals who have been correctly passionate about govts. using strong anti discrimination laws to limit the powers of employers and service providers now suddenly championing the ‘rights’ of private companies to act as they wish.”

    Not necessarily act as they wish. Because I think there is a distinction between acting against a minority population and acting agaisnt a majority or plurality or even if not those things a large population. To use an American term there is the concept of a suspect class. The courts have found that a suspect class are a group of people who have been subject to historical discrimination, exhibit obvious, immutable and distinguishing characteristics that define them as a discrete group (but where its distringuishing characteristic does not prevent them contributing meaningfully to society), and are a minority or politically powerless and are unable to fully protect themselves through the political process.

    Now I don’t believe there is a single one of those criteria that are met by conservatives. Now obviously the suspect class arguments are against government, not private, action (though so are free speech arguments). But applying them to discrimination cases makes it clear that there is a distinction between a company denying access to a person on the basis of the above criteria and them denying access to a person on alternative criteria. If conservatives are being banned from these sites (which they aren’t – it is largely just a small number of egregious cases) then it presents a huge market share that other companies can tap into, and thus that has a protection in and of itself. If a minority, particularly an unpopular minority, were being banned then it doesn’t provide the same market harm to the company. As such the free market doesn’t provide protections for that minority. It is thus market failure and requires government regulation to fix that market failure.

  24. yeah right now i think law enforcement are more concerned with arresting these people who are plotting terrorist acts. I hope they catch the ring-leaders and the courts put them away for a very long time. That’s the focus.
    some of you want to talk about their blogging rights, oh stop it , you don’t know what you’re dealing with .. and if one of you or a relative died in a bomb attack I’m pretty sure you won’t be overly concerned for their twitter accounts – get a grip ..

  25. I’m still struggling to see how this equates to 20 million Americans – or even one president – being silenced?
    There is a separate issue here, regarding monopolies and aggressive behaviour by big corporations, but it is just that – a separate issue. Deal with it separately.
    20 million Americans have not been silenced. 20 million Americans have not had their rights violated. 20 million Americans are not being victimised. Is 20 million even an accurate number? Let’s assume that it is, for the sake of this argument.
    20 million Americans, like all the other Americans, have a choice of platforms on which to express their views. 20 million Americans, like all other Americans, can choose to use – or not – these other platforms. But if one platform is blocked, for whatever reason, from providing its services to these 20 million Americans – this does not cut them off from the rest of the world! They are not adrift in the ether, voiceless, with no representation. They have other ways of expressing their unhappiness at the move by Twitter against Trump (which I personally disagree with, but understand that they say he broke their rules) and the move by Google, Amazon etc regarding Parler (which I thought was a cynically opportunistic move by larger corporations to take down a smaller, but growing, competitor). Jesus – one of the owners of Parler is here, in this video – ONLINE!!! – complaining about how they have been silenced! Everyone who has complained about Parler and about Twitter have complained on other online platforms!

    By all means, complain about Twitter banning Trump – I will agree with you, up to the point where he actually breaks the law; complain about how Google and Amazon have effectively shut down a strong opponent in Parler – I will agree with you again.
    But please don’t whine and whinge about your freedoms being taken away, just because one social media platform has been – temporarily – placed in an awkward financial position! Talk about First World Problems!

    And by the way – my feelings regarding Trump begin and end with Twitter making a decision, based on a particular couple of Tweets, that he should be indefinitely suspended. Twitter have said that he breached their terms, so that’s that.
    But this guy has a Press Room – in his house! He could have the world’s media in his back garden in a heartbeat, if he really had anything to say. He doesn’t need to rely on any one or two social media platforms in order to be heard. He can literally pick and choose how to get his thoughts out there. His silence speaks volumes.

  26. // using strong anti discrimination laws to limit the powers of employers and service providers now suddenly championing the ‘rights’ of private companies to act as they wish..//

    First, nobody is saying private companies have a right “to act as they wish”. That would be totally idiotic.

    Second, anti-discrimination is aimed at discrimination based on attributes that are either outside the power of the employee (skin colour, sexual preferences etc) or that have no bearing on his work or position in the company (religion, politics etc)

    It doesn’t relate to crime or encouraging crime, which are acts of will. Nobody is complaining about structural discrimination within the state in that it locks up only criminals.

    All that balls about stolen election etc. could and did encourage crime and undermined democracy and the rule of law. A business can operate only if there is an almost universal consensus on, say, the justice of laws or the integrity of the democratic system. Anybody or anything that undermines that is acting against the interests of the company and it has a right to censure.

    But this is getting too easy: I see that several leading US corporations are now blocking funding of any politician who voted against the certification and promoted “stop the steal”.

    This is only right. Time those eegits were taught a lesson.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55628946

  27. Colm, on January 12th, 2021 at 11:37 AM Said:
    Petr’s final sentence is a perfectly sensible and balanced analysis , but I have to remark his rightful claim about the hypocrisy of Libertarians can also be laid at the other side. The liberals who have been correctly passionate about govts. using strong anti discrimination laws to limit the powers of employers and service providers now suddenly championing the ‘rights’ of private companies to act as they wish.

    I agree entirely. It’s fun to point out the stupidity of ‘libertarians’, but what you say is undoubtedly also true. It’s quite something to see alleged anarchists and socialists on Twitter leaping to the defense of tech giants and their rights as private enterprises!

  28. Seamus

    Yes I do agree that the comparisons cannot be exactly made and my point isn’t really that such groups should be declared a protected class which would be absurd both in principle and indeed in terms of defining what criteria to use to determine who belongs to such defined groups. My really point is really just about the wider acceptance of such blanket actions and where it can lead. Its so easy to be relaxed about ‘bans’ affecting users you disagree with rather than examining the use of such authority in general.

    The other point which is worth mentioning is how Twitter and other big open social media platforms can use the law (is it Section 232 or something like that ? ) to absolve themselves from legal responsibilties for illegal content posted on their sites , and yet they insist smaller platforms like Parler using their hosting services must be responsible for all the content that appears. That is a ‘one rule for you, another for us’ approach.

    I think there has been an understandeable wave of removals following the Capitol Hill attack, but I think asa longer term solution much more moderation of unacceptable comments would be preferable than using the sledgehammer of totally and permanently banning individuals and groups. It would be very easy for Twitter for example to assign greater oversight of high profile accounts like Donald Trump’s rather than removing his ability to have an account at all.

  29. First, nobody is saying private companies have a right “to act as they wish”. That would be totally idiotic.

    Then there are a lot of idiots around Noel, because that is exactly what a lot of people , and suddenly from the left are saying.

  30. But this is getting too easy: I see that several leading US corporations are now blocking funding of any politician who voted against the certification and promoted “stop the steal”.

    This is only right. Time those eegits were taught a lesson.

    I understand that it gives you a satisfying feeling, but it could happen to you or to someone you support tomorrow. I mean, it’s already happening in lots of ways. YouTube are demonetising left-wing content, Palestinians on Facebook are routinely banned for simply calling for their rights, etc.

    If you can’t access any social media platform or payment platform of any kind, and your fate was decided by a few tech bros in San Fran, well, you can’t exactly just build your own Twitter or PayPal. You are f****d.

  31. I remember, back in the days before ATW became part of the media department for Donald Trump, the site owner would have had this story splashed all over the front page :/

  32. Colm,

    Section 230 doesn’t absolve social media platforms from legal responsibilities for illegal content. Far from it in fact. It is specfically limited to protection from civil liability, with Section 230 stating: “nothing in this section [Section 230] shall be construed to impair the enforcement of … any … Federal criminal statute”.

    But ultimately Twitter, and Facebook, and Amazon etc… are held (partially) responsible for content. Not in law but in public opinion. All of those companies (particularly Twitter and Facebook) have suffered substantial reputational damage by not being quick enough to remove what their critics see as harmful material. So I don’t think it is a “one rule for you, another for us”. Parler is not (in terms of civil litigation) responsible for the content on its service. But it is responsible in the court of public opinion (just like Twitter etc…). And the court of public opinion has found against it (fair or otherwise that is the situation).

  33. Seimi

    Yes, whatever happened to NO SURRENDER ? 🙂

  34. “Yes, whatever happened to NO SURRENDER ? 🙂”

    The irony being that when they broke the window at the Capitol building all I could hear in my mind was the “No Surrender” woman from the City Hall protests.

  35. Colm
    Parler was offered the choice to moderate and didn’t comply .

  36. kurt

    Fair enough – more fool them . I am not crying over the particular fate of Parler or some of these genuinely unsavoury groups my point is more about the wider sense of casually accepting and applauding the ‘banning culture’ powers of large tech groups as a phenomenon and instead giving wider thought to a sensible way forward as Petr wisely acknowledges, even with his unashamed leftist background. The Internet is not a luxury or gimmick nowadays. It is a vital utility in the modern world and we shouldn’t be too quick to be pleased at the exercise of arbitrary powers by the handful of massive corporations that largely do monopolise effective access to it.

  37. //Then there are a lot of idiots around Noel, because that is exactly what a lot of people , and suddenly from the left are saying.//

    No, people are not saying firms can do what they want, like break the law or discriminate against employees as I mentioned etc. They are saying that they have a right to refuse to carry certain content and the right to stop funding certain politicians because of their views.
    As for the latter, everyone does that. Who funds a cause they do not like? As for the former, do you want to force e.g. the London (or the Jerusalem) bus company to carry ads for a neo-Nazi organisation?

  38. Parler has chosen to be a kind if Dark Web, knowingly allowing gun toting radicals to associate on it and to plan terrorist and treasonous acts on it.

    There were a number of such comments, including specific threats to hang Pence and Pelosi.

    Such comments were made on facebook also, But facebook was quick to take them down and to ban those who made such threats.

    Some such comments were made in private chat rooms on facebook, and the company has acted to root those actors out and to close those private rooms.All good.

    facebook has tried to be responsible, parler has aided and abetted rioters.

    You’d have to have been a complete fool to belong to parler in the first place, for multiple reasons stated here before.

    So, be very wary about the corporate power of big tech – they must not have complete power – but zero sympathy for parler, it’s owners, including bug eyed Bongino

  39. “They are saying that they have a right to refuse to carry certain content”
    that one Noel

  40. Noel

    No I am not saying that at all. I am not insisting these platforms shouldn’t be allowed to ban groups and individuals. They should. Its not about their legal rights. My point is simply about whether we should so casually agree with or support their decisions.

  41. colm dya think pat needs to be careful with his language, dropping hints of violence to come in virtually every thread . Maybe a twitchy fbi agent might want to pick him up !
    Have a wee chat . this is heightened situation with credible threats emerging
    worst case scenario he gets thrown into the pound with the other junk yard hogs , where I’ve no doubt he’d feel at home but ATW could be closed , where is the line ?..
    maybe the line is recklessly talking about violence to come ,
    (blaming phantom for it i might add )
    have you noticed ?

  42. “he gets thrown into the pound with the other junk yard hogs”
    OK Noel, its not t.s.eliot I grant you , but that’s ma prose fer today 😉

  43. Kurt, Patrick has been forecasting violence with relish ever since I’ve been here – global, regional, civil, even within the Rep party, doesn’t matter as long as there are rows and a bit of violence and excitement.

  44. kurt

    Relax – Patrick has been talking about the “silent true Americans who are slow to rise but fearsome when they do” and claiming they are being sorely provoked and at a tipping point ever since I have been on here for about 15 years. Its nonsense, ain’t gonna happen. All this talk about an uprising and armed groups causing disruption in every state during the inauguration period won’t happen at all. You mark my words.

  45. Snap Noel !

  46. And if I recall, some here ( not Patrick ) have made comments about hanging politicians. More than once.

    I won’t mention names, I don’t recommend that anyone else do that either, but let’s just say that the radical right, like the radical left, has many roots.

    Many oppose violence on the part of their opponents. But there’s a wink and a nod at best when the violence comes from their own buddies.

  47. Colm, on January 12th, 2021 at 1:50 PM Said: Edit Comment
    kurt

    Relax – Patrick has been talking about the “silent true Americans who are slow to rise but fearsome when they do” and claiming they are being sorely provoked and at a tipping point ever since I have been on here for about 15 years. Its nonsense, ain’t gonna happen. All this talk about an uprising and armed groups causing disruption in every state during the inauguration period won’t happen at all. You mark my words.

    That’s funny I was just making my coffee and thinking of doing a post on this bullshit story….

    The Democrats are begging to declare marshal law is what they are doing.

    “Credible threats” have been made against EVERY state capital, armed insurrectionists are going to attack all 50 capitals and the inauguration, 15,000 troops have been called up to protect them…..

    Uh excuse me can I see the intelligence that you are basing this Armed Insurrection on….

    Sorry DNC the shooting not’s going to start unless YOU start it. There is NO credible threat to ALL 50 State Capitals, and there certainly is no credible threat to the Inauguration.

    It’s pure bull.

  48. Yes, and there was no MAGA riot six days ago.

    They were all actors, just like at Sandy Hook.

  49. “Sorry DNC the shooting not’s going to start unless YOU start it.”

    You and your mob have already started it when you attacked the Capitol during the verification of an election that you made up conspiracy theories about.

  50. lmao….

  51. It is reported that the QAnon Republican house-chick live-tweeted Nancy Pelosi’s location this past Wednesday.

    Wonder why?

    She also is the one who wanted to carry loaded guns on the House floor.

    Wonder why?

    https://www.salon.com/2021/01/11/qanon-congresswoman-who-live-tweeted-nancy-pelosis-location-to-rioters-now-facing-calls-for-arrest_partner/

    This is a party with criminals in its lead ranks.

  52. The sighting in Florida this week of a manatee with “Trump” etched in block letters on its back has prompted an investigation and a plea for help from a nonprofit conservation group.

    The Center for Biological Diversity said it was offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to a conviction “for the cruel and illegal mutilation” of a threatened manatee in the Homosassa River in Citrus County, on Florida’s Gulf Coast.

    “It’s heartbreaking that this manatee was subjected to this vile, criminal act,” Jaclyn Lopez, the center’s Florida director, said on Monday.

    LOL says the base at this. This is all oh so funny for them.The founding fathers wanted animals to be mutilated for fun.

  53. Trump said that he loved the rioters.

    He also said that the rioters were Antifa.

    That means that Trump loves Antifa.

    One more reason for the 25th Amendment.

  54. you’re the one who is mentally unfit with the crap your are spewing and the crap you have believed for the past 12yrs. It was bad the first 8, but you were sane just wrong. In the last 4 years your perspective and your logic has totally left the room….

  55. //Trump said that he loved the rioters.
    He also said that the rioters were Antifa.
    That means that Trump loves Antifa.
    One more reason for the 25th Amendment.//

    🙂 QED

    BTW, if this is “The Other Side”, who then is posting The Side, i.e. the other other side, on ATW?

  56. Well you never know you’re luck theses days .
    Attending rallies, DC eclipse , links to conspiracy sites , not too different from a MAGA terrorist .
    Adds : denies intelligence reports if own country.. treasonous talk . Could well become a person of interest . Be careful.

  57. I am going to stick my neck out here and say I think the majority of what happened last Wednesday was spontaneous and not the result of a meticulous plan. That is not at all to excuse or mitigate what happened but I do think the large majority of the crowd who got into the Building never expected that would happen and were caught up in a fast moving scenario. Yes we can all talk about the many online ‘plans’ and discussions and chatter about ‘hanging Mike Pence’ and all that, but I think so many of those plots are really just bedroom warrior fantasies with no serious expectation that they will be carried out. I think very few people planned or expected to be in the situation that finally materialized, but the lack of security and the apparent ease with which the doors were breached and the building entrance became a free for all created a momentum that crowds got caught up in.

  58. BTW – Just to be clear, none of the people who rampaged through the building should be able to use the ‘spontaneity’ of it as a reason to minimize judicial penalties they might face.

  59. exactly

  60. Let’s see what is on the parler discussions

    Take a very close look at what they all said was going to happen

  61. So the ‘side’ who murdered a cop last week didn’t start anything?

    Troll says, “Shit happens. People die.” and “lmao.”

  62. //I think the majority of what happened last Wednesday was spontaneous and not the result of a meticulous plan//

    It depends on what you mean by plan. Trump and his henchmen definitely wanted a large gathering to put pressure on the politicians doing the certifying inside the building. That was a plan, the plan.

    Other more hard-core Trumpies certainly planned to cause a lot of violence and probably get inside the Capitol. Some came with helmets and body armour, or with zip ties, molotov cocktails, tasers and explosive devices – all of which were apparently sighted within the building. That definitely points at planning and intent.

    But you’re no doubt right that most of it was just fired-up fools running along.

    Look how this former USAF officer was prepared. (BTW, Colm, there does seem to be a bit of the “bedroom worrier” to this story – the officer was turned in to the FBI by his ex-wife.)

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-rioter-arrested-after-ex-wife-calls-fbi

  63. Seems a whole lot angrier with twitter corporate policies than with a cop being bludgeoned to death

    LMAO

  64. People get caught up in these things. They get caught up in the excitement of the moment. Sometimes the riot even starts spontaneously.
    But can anyone honestly say that after Trump and Giuliani speaking, at least some of this crowd didn’t head towards the CB with ‘malice aforethought?

  65. Can anyone say that those who brought zip ties to the Trump riot didn’t plan to wrongfully arrest people.

    Who were they going to tie up and why? What were they going to do after they tied people up.

  66. Maybe they brought them in case anything came undone? Like their election hopes?

  67. how about the people who brought Molotov cocktails to all the Biden “demonstrations” who were they going to BURN…. oh yeah COPS f those pigs……

  68. I have no doubt people planned things and ‘dreamed’ of certain scenarios panning out, but I still believe most people when they were in that building were thinking “Wow I can’t believe I am in here” rather than ” Yes things are going exactly as I intended”

  69. Patrick

    Nobody brought any Molotov cocktails to any Biden demonstrations.

  70. Yes, and maybe Mohammad Atta made an in flight error when flying near NYC.

    Stop making excuses for traitors.

  71. Phantom

    Who was that last comment of yours aimed at ?

  72. Molotovs? Biden demonstrations? When were there Biden demonstrations? What are Biden demonstrations anyway?

  73. No one in the country is excited about Biden

    The only one in the world who is excited about him is Kurt.

    He is the ultimate compromise candidate.

  74. I think in Patrick’s eyes a ‘Biden Demonstration’ is (apart from last Wednesday’s little scuffle) every other violent crowd event that occurred in the USA in the last 12 months. 🙂

  75. Come on lads, don’t give him any clues. Let him answer for himself!

  76. Been alot of talk online before last week
    You don’t bring up Molotov’s for a random or handcuffs .
    For fun I’d still like to be the rookie FBI agent sent to investigate pat in PA .
    Ahh Mr Royt , van I believe ?
    Is that Freeman by any chance ?
    What do you admire most about Germany ?
    Lol , fishing ..
    See if can get pat to reveal something
    Then ya bag him ..
    Check the posters on the wall .
    Drop a few auto suggestions see if you get a reaction .
    Terrible event the insurrection wasn’t it Mr Royt .?

    Cue those god damn commie pinkos taking our liberty .
    Heck gone be trouble . Who can blame em officer .

    Why if I was younger ..

    Keep talking Mr Royt tell us how you feel .

    10 hours later ..

    We gotta whacko here fellas but just on the borderline ..

    Analysis / conclusion .. keep an eye on him

    Lol

  77. kurt’s streams of consciousness can make the brain hurt but they add to the gaiety of ATW 🙂

  78. The next Biden demo will be the first one

  79. Colm, on January 12th, 2021 at 3:56 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick

    Nobody brought any Molotov cocktails to any Biden demonstrations.

    oh yes they did and they even tried killing cops in nyc with them as they sat in their car… all Biden supporters…. I guess the billions in fire damage were cases of spontaneous combustion.

  80. All of those things happened Patrick and they were done deliberately , but they weren’t ‘Biden Demonstrations’ and they weren’t done in support of Biden or as part of any campaign instigated by him.

  81. You people can kvetch all you want, deny all you want, scream and holler all you want.

    For ten months the country has watched city after city burn, riot after riot, murders and mayhem ALL committed by Biden Supporters.

    Now you can pull all your hair out if you choose and you and the media mouth pieces for those who encouraged and excused the riots by Biden supporters the whole year can join you in your collective outrage. Over the one riot on the right that has happened.

    Feels good don’t it… we now have something we can use… except the whole country knows the truth. The truth that Democrats have been looting, burning, and killing all summer. We watched it, we can put up the pictures of the destruction and the list of bodies.

    Your pleasuring yourselves…… and just like doing so it may make you feel good but it’s just self gratification…. the only people who are buying what you’re selling are in the bubble already and you are very outnumbered.

  82. Patrick

    It is factually true that of the people who rioted, if they voted at all (and most of them probably don’t bother) they would have in the majority voted for Biden, and some would have even voted for Trump, but these were not ‘Democrat’ or ‘Biden’ riots, they were a mixture of anti-police violence and sheer opportunistic criminal and ‘fun’ riots. They weren’t centred around any sort of Biden or Democrat promotion or campaign no matter how much you claim otherwise.

  83. one to keep an eye this one colm, maybe we got ourselves a “flipper” –> one who becomes full on #MAGATerrorist and feels the need to act upon those urges !!

  84. Colm
    Your 5.24 is accurate and true, just as it is accurate and true to say that Republicans and Trump supporters attacked the Capitol Building, ransacked the place, stole items, damaged property, and murdered a police officer.

    Troll says, “Shit happens. People die.” “lmao”

  85. Newsflash: If you are “warning” that there will be more violence if Trump is impeached, as Troll is – without clearly stating that any violence in response to lawful government processes is illegitimate and criminal, *you are endorsing and promoting that violence*. Period.
    he carries on like that , he’ll get a visit – a knock on the door – you’re an enemy of the state , ofc in their insane heads their patriots and its a BIG tyranny
    tell that to the judge !

  86. Trump says his speech was totally appropriate

  87. which is a total LIE, as everyone even his close people have excoriated him for what he said
    he’s a tone-deaf asshole,stick a mike in front of him and his lies his teeth off
    that’s why the maga-terrorists and sympathizers love him — they never had truth on their side
    The lie is their truth !!

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