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QAnon and Trumpism

By Phantom On January 17th, 2021

I’m a bit surprised that there’s been little to no discussion of QAnon on these pages.

QAnon is a conspiracy theory within resides within the Trump movement.

As succinctly described by the BBC is QAnon is a wide-ranging,
… theory that says that President Trump is waging a secret war against elite Satan-worshipping paedophiles in government, business and the media.

QAnon believers have speculated that this fight will lead to a day of reckoning where prominent people such as former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will be arrested and executed “

This isn’t a fringe theory within Trump or Republican circles. It is central to what Trumpism has morphed into. I think that the president believes in it.

Two freshman Republican Congressmen are “ Q “.

The movement was extremely well represented at the Trump “ Wild Time “ Insurrection in DC.

The president has made limited comments about Q, but those comments were kind – he said that the followers love the country.

Many Trumpers, including those here, don’t want to talk about Q. I’ve never seen them post on it, though god knows they post on Trump every day.

So let’s talk about Q.

What do you think about this completely idiotic belief system that is believed by many Trump supporters?

39 Responses to “QAnon and Trumpism”

  1. Who is John Galt.

  2. I say that with reason.

    Qanon is as you describe it a bunch of wacko Alex Jones kooks, but what it also morphed into more than anything else is a modern day “Who is John Galt”

    The Q symbol for 99% of the people that have slapped onto their handles have done so as a simple mark of defiance, a question of what is real, a “Who is John Galt” statement than any movement with a single set of beliefs or ideology.

  3. Trump is clearly a fan of QAnon for the simple reason that they are an important part of his base, just like the Proud Boys and the nazis “fine people” at Charlottesville.

    Let’s remember that during one of the election debates with Biden, Trump instructed the Proud Boys to “Stand back and stand by.” Well they certainly turned out for him on 6 January.

    The prosecutions will tell the tale about the extent of QAnon involvement in the Capitol riot. But already dozens of QAnon slogans have been spotted. The spear guy is a follower as was the woman shot dead by police. There will be plenty more.

  4. I’m not sure what Q is, other than a wild, wide conspiracy theory that the Swamp is out to get you, and Trump is your protection. For instance my sister-in-law has cancer but doesn’t want the Covid vaccine. She heard the government may have put nano tracking technology in it! Now THAT’S Q thinking!

  5. Trump’s notorious phone call to the Georgia election official suggests that he may actually be a QAnon follower. During the call he re-hashed some of their conspiracy theories:

    “In the Church of Q, Donald Trump is the one and only messiah. But the Georgia call shows how fully he participates in it, too. Travis View, a co-host of the excellent Q-tracking podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” told me that when Trump was rattling off his litany of false claims on the call, “he was sounding a lot like a thread on the Q research board, on which people spit out ideas, conspiracy theories and snippets, and people sort of build upon them.” View described a symbiotic relationship between Trump, QAnon message boards and pro-Trump news outlets like One America News and Newsmax. It’s a bit like jazz musicians improvising, each one punching up the other’s riff…

    On the call, Trump claimed that voting machines made by a company called Dominion Voting Systems were rigged to help Biden win. The theory has been debunked; it is also moot, because officials in Georgia confirmed Biden’s victory through a hand recount of paper ballots. The Dominion idea was one of several stolen-election theories that started on QAnon-friendly forums. Pro-Trump outlets then echoed the theory — as NBC News recently pointed out, Ron Watkins, the administrator of 8Kun, has been featured on One America News as a voting-systems expert, which he is not. When Trump inevitably tweeted out the OAN segment, the circle was complete: OAN had given its aggrieved audience “news” that confirmed its belief in the conspiracy. Trump promoted self-serving misinformation, and QAnon grew just a little bit more powerful…”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/trump-qanon-georgia-call.html?searchResultPosition=3

  6. I’ve heard claims that Qanon is the greatest troll 4chan ever launched, its so successful it actually is taken seriously by some people

    Imagine that, an internet troll has become a major conservative political movemenet

  7. This is an interesting read:

    A QAnon ‘Digital Soldier’ Marches On, Undeterred by Theory’s Unraveling https://nyti.ms/3srlt7o

  8. After so many setbacks and with no sign of any comfort on the horizon, this is just the far-right movement in the US descending into complete insanity.

    BTW, speaking of surprising absence from ATW (but of course not surprising at all), is this not big news??

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/business/nra-bankruptcy-new-york-texas/index.html

  9. good topic by the way Phantom

  10. Here is the best account I have read about what happened on 6 January and what the motives of Trump and his followers were. It’s partly speculative of course but a lot of it makes sense:

    “The plan for Wednesday was to have Trump go down and rile up the MAGA crowd, have them march up to the Capitol steps, and look like a big mass of people demanding something be done. Thanks to some preparatory cleansing of the DoD leadership last month (again, in outline pretty clear evidence that they intended to subvert the election), the White House had made sure there wouldn’t be much to stop the crowd from getting real close and making a lot of noise. The optics would be good. And the cops on duty wouldn’t go too hard on their MAGA buddies in any case.

    Once the ructions were underway, and the objections from Hawley and Cruz and others were being debated, Trump would call some Senators to push them to object or generally delay or whatever. At a minimum, anything to derail the process. And as a best outcome—well, this bit is one of those ?????? Underpants Gnomes stages that features in all half-thought-out Trumpy plans—between the direct pressure from Trump and the noise from the masses gathered outside (just look at those TV pictures!), there would be some big shift as Senators realized their base was against them and they’d vote to reject the Electoral votes and send everything back to the States. Or there would be chaos on the Senate floor and someone like Cruz would hope to capitalize on it to reach some quasi-legitimate “Compromise of 2021”. Or something. I’m not saying this makes much sense in terms of things that definitely had to happen. It’s more that they saw potential to seize the initiative in some real-time moment of uncertainty with the house divided and the crowd outside…

    That is, from the White House’s point of view, the crowd was not actually supposed to get inside the Capitol. The MAGA/Q contingent are the useful marks in all this. They believe all the crap they’re fed. But obviously they’re not going to get into the building. It’s the US Capitol for God’s sake! The very idea that the rush of events would propel them right into the chambers was not something the White House wanted to happen, or thought was going to happen…

    Of course, before the rally some of the actually dangerous Q-marinated nutters absolutely did want to get inside the building, find Pence, and Pelosi, and the rest, and literally take them hostage and string them up. They talked about this a lot on their message boards. The White House was probably well aware of these ideas…

    I think it’s more likely that the White House, meaning most people who were behind the rally and incitement, really did not envisage a breach of the Capitol, even as they absolutely did seek to orchestrate the crowd outside and the legislators inside to the point where the election could be subverted. That said, there’s still plenty of circumstantial evidence for the view that there was a plan to get inside the building….

    After the fact, the White House very quickly found itself in a supercharged version of the situation that Cruz and Hawley are also in. They presumed they could cynically ride this movement for their own ends. They gleefully lit match after match, and eventually to their horror they managed to set themselves on fire along with everyone else. They clearly incited these events. They saw them spin rapidly out of control. They ended Wednesday afternoon with five people dead, the Capitol defiled, and the country stunned. They definitely wanted to overturn the election, which by itself is a subversion of representative government. Their efforts produced a messy putsch into the bargain, and got people killed. They should be punished for it as severely as the law permits, and they should never be allowed to live down their responsibility for what happened.”

    https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/

  11. lmao…. and you believe that?

  12. Noel

    I read that story about the NRA filing for bankruptcy yesterday and was surprised it wasn’t bigger news, but on closer analysis it seems to be simply a deliberate legal accounting move to facilitate a tax base relocation to Texas while minimising financial penalties.

  13. I’m a bit surprised that there’s been little to no discussion of QAnon on these pages.

    Because it’s an irrelevent hoax which which hardly anyone ever believed. The BBC and other left media have ginned it up way out of proportion

    QAnon is a conspiracy theory within the Trump movement.

    It’s a 4chan hoax!

  14. It is a hoax, but many Trump people believe in it

    Trump himself is a hoax, Candidate without a belief system

    One believer is in prison because he brought a weapon Free the children at the pizza place

    Trump is friendly to them, to Congress men are members of them

    Very many of the Trump rioters were dressed up their gear

    Hello, I am moving around will properly engage later on today

    QAnon is Trumpism at this point!

  15. Because it’s an irrelevent hoax which which hardly anyone ever believed.

    No it’s not. Trump is clearly a believer as are a large part of his base. And two QAnon-supporting GOP congress members were elected in November. It may never be mainstream in the GOP but it has made significant inroads in the base, and the Capitol riot will boost it further.

  16. Phantom –

    You’ve only heard of QAnon because the BBC, CNN, NYT and WaPo shoved it in your face. No-one on the right talks about it, hence no discussion of it in here. It’s irrelevent, a bogeyman promoted by the leftist media.

  17. Peter –

    Trump is clearly a believer ..

    I’ve had enough if this crap. Bring me proof now. Bring me proof that Trump “is clearly a believer”. Bring me video of Trump saying that he’s a believer.

    Do that or give us a rest from this BS.

  18. Peter I have to inform you…… we are now in a Biden administration…..

    Trump is just another voice on the right….. move along

  19. Don’t talk about one term failed disgraced twice impeached election loser Trump, Peter. It clearly rattles Patrick and Pete 😉

  20. Bring me proof that Trump “is clearly a believer”.

    See my 2.59 PM

  21. it doesn’t rattle me in the slightest, and I’m sure Mr Trump will provide us much to write about in the days to come. I’m just keeping a tab on how long it takes the truly infested to show signs that the TDS infection is breaking….. it may have caused permanent mental scaring resulting in a reflexive Trumpvulsion at every failure about to hit….. we shall see

  22. No-one on the right talks about it

    LOL

    Are these people right-wing enough for you? Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Don Junior and Eric Trump have all promoted QAnon. Jones only fell out with the cultists after the Capitol riot which he blamed on them (interesting in itself) but he has frequently promoted their conspiracy theories in the past.

  23. any list that starts with Alex Jones has no credibility

  24. the TDS infection

    The people who warned how far Trump would go have been proved right by his behaviour since the election, culminating in the disgrace and deaths on 6 January.

  25. To be fair Patrick it seemed to have rattled Pete far more than you.

    Anyway I foresee very little real failures in the Biden administration , just a return to competent professional and indeed ploddingly routine governance.

  26. Peter –

    I’ve seen your 2.59pm. It’s drivel, and where it’s not drivel it’s nutty, speculative drivel. What has the DoD got to do with it? The Sergeants at Arms are responsible for Capitol security, “under the direction of the Speaker”.

    Now bring me proof that Trump “is clearly a believer” in what everyone knew three years ago was a 4chan hoax.

  27. Colm –

    What rattles me is seeing decent people like Phantom and Peter played for fools by a media which is lying to them. They’ve gone down a nutty conspiracy rabbit hole as a result.

    So I must be Theseus.

    I have entered the labyrinthe to slay the media Minotaur and lead Phantom and Peter back out to sunshine and sanity.

  28. That sounds a lot saner than most things Trump says , Pete 😉

  29. “played for fools by a media which is lying to them. They’ve gone down a nutty conspiracy rabbit hole as a result.”

    Funny.

    In fact the only difference between the Qanons and Pete and Allan and PVR and all the rest, is which “alternative media” they have chosen to self-lobotomise with.

    Otherwise, they inhabit concentric & overlapping circles of bullshit.

    Qanon have merely slid over to another circle, to coin a phrase.

  30. Come back Frank. Your word playing is now incomprehensible.

    If I told you that so-called climate change is a hoax you’d demand proof. If I told you that the Dems stole the election you’d demand proof. So don’t give me some old pony when I demand proof of Peter’s statement that Trump “is clearly a believer” in this Q Anon nonsense. Rational people who believe in evidence and testability don’t get to fall out of character when it’s convenient.

  31. I’ve seen your 2.59pm. It’s drivel, and where it’s not drivel it’s nutty, speculative drivel. What has the DoD got to do with it?

    ??

    If you trouble to read it you will see that it doesn’t mention the DOD. 2.59 PM not 5.45 PM

  32. Peter still thinks thinks Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed god knows what fairytale Franks living in but I’m sure he’s not there alone….. there’s one born every minute

  33. Howdy

    I am back from helping a friend move things in NJ

    Glad we got a discussion going here

    I think bringing up Alex Jones is fair comment. It’s pretty clear that he is some sort of influence on the president. He says that he and the president speak, and I believe that – Trump sought Jones’ support on live TV in 2016.

    Trump is much more of a conspiracy nut than he was a decade ago – that’s the Alex Jones influence…

    QAnon is not nothing. It’s linked with Jones ( who has long spoken of alleged Dem child abusers ) . It is a movement that was visible at the insurrection, a movement that is ferocious in loyalty to Trump. You may see them committing acts of violence this Wednesday

  34. Peter still thinks thinks Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed

    Sure Patrick. It’s not like Trump would ever use hookers. The very idea is ridiculous.

  35. QAnon cultists were all over the Capitol invasion. Trump is their messiah and Trump knows that so of course he loves them back. And you just gotta love those Proud Boys. Trump loves them too:

    “A moment later, the door at the back of the chamber’s center aisle swung open, and a man strode through it wearing a fur headdress with horns, carrying a spear attached to an American flag. He was shirtless, his chest covered with Viking and pagan tattoos, his face painted red, white, and blue. It was Jacob Chansley, a vocal QAnon proponent from Arizona, popularly known by his pseudonym, the Q Shaman. Both on the Mall and inside the Capitol, I’d seen countless signs and banners promoting QAnon, whose acolytes believe that Trump is working to dismantle an occult society of cannibalistic pedophiles. At the base of the Washington Monument, I’d watched Chansley assure people, “We got ’em right where we want ’em! We got ’em by the balls, baby, and we’re not lettin’ go!”

    Chansley had climbed onto the dais. “I’m gonna take a seat in this chair, because Mike Pence is a fucking traitor,” he announced. He handed his cell phone to another Trump supporter, telling him, “I’m not one to usually take pictures of myself, but in this case I think I’ll make an exception.” The policeman looked on with a pained expression as Chansley flexed his biceps…

    In the days before January 6th, calls for a “real solution” became progressively louder. Trump, by both amplifying these voices and consolidating his control over the Republican Party, conferred extraordinary influence on the most deranged and hateful elements of the American right. On December 20th, he retweeted a QAnon supporter who used the handle @cjtruth: “It was a rigged election but they were busted. Sting of the Century! Justice is coming!” A few weeks later, a barbarian with a spear was sitting in the Vice-President’s chair…

    On Constitution Avenue, the Proud Boys encountered an unsuspecting Black man coming up the sidewalk. They began shoving and jeering at him. As the man ran away, several of them chased him, swinging punches at his back. Officers had cordoned off Black Lives Matter Plaza, but the group soon reached Farragut Square, where half a dozen counter-protesters—two men and four women—stood outside the Army and Navy Club, dressed in black clothes marked with medic crosses made from red tape. They were smaller and younger than most of the Proud Boys, and visibly unnerved. As Schwetz and others closed in on them, the medics retreated until they were pressed against a waist-high hedge. “Fucking pussies!” Schwetz barked, hitting two of the women. Other Proud Boys took his cue, assailing the activists, who disappeared into the hedge under a barrage of boots and fists. Policemen stopped the beating by deploying pepper spray, but they did not arrest any Proud Boys, who staggered off in search of a new target…

    In the Senate chamber on January 6th, Jacob Chansley took off his horns and led a group prayer through a megaphone, from behind the Vice-President’s desk. The insurrectionists bowed their heads while Chansley thanked the “heavenly Father” for allowing them to enter the Capitol and “send a message” to the “tyrants, the communists, and the globalists.” Joshua Black, the Alabaman who had been shot in the face with a rubber bullet, said in his YouTube confession, “I praised the name of Jesus on the Senate floor. That was my goal. I think that was God’s goal.” While the religiously charged demonization of globalists dovetails with QAnon, religious maximalism has also gone mainstream. Under Trump, Republicans throughout the country have consistently situated American politics in the context of an eternal, cosmic struggle between good and evil. In doing so, they have rendered constitutional principles of representation, pluralism, and the separation of powers less inviolable, given the magnitude of what is at stake…

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/25/among-the-insurrectionists?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

  36. The GOP is lost as a party of democracy unless it ditches Trump, which of course it won’t:

    “Since January 6th, some Republican politicians have distanced themselves from Trump. A few, such as Romney, have denounced him. But the Republican Party’s cynical embrace of Trump’s attempted power grab all the way up to January 6th has strengthened its radical flank while sidelining moderates. Seventeen Republican-led states and a hundred and six Republican members of Congress—well over half—signed on to the Texas suit asking the Supreme Court to disenfranchise more than twenty million voters. Republican officials shared microphones with white nationalists and conspiracists at every Stop the Steal event I attended. At the Million maga March, Louie Gohmert, a congressman from Texas, spoke shortly after Alex Jones on the steps of the Supreme Court. “This is a multidimensional war that the U.S. intelligence people have used on other governments,” Gohmert said—words that might have come from Jones’s mouth. “You not only steal the vote but you use the media to convince people that they’re not really seeing what they’re seeing.”

    Gohmert is a mainstay of the Tea Party insurgency that facilitated Trump’s political rise. Both that movement and Trumpism are preoccupied as much with heretical conservatives as they are with liberals. At an October rally, Trump derided rinos—Republicans in name only—as “the lowest form of human life.” After the election, any Republican who accepted Biden’s victory was similarly maligned. When Chris Krebs, a Trump appointee in charge of national cybersecurity, deemed the election “the most secure in American history,” the President fired him. Joe diGenova, Trump’s attorney, then said that Krebs “should be drawn and quartered—taken out at dawn and shot.”

    The radicalization of the Republican Party has altered the world of conservative media, which is, in turn, accelerating that radicalization. On November 7th, Fox News, which has often seemed to function as a civilian branch of the Trump Administration, called the race for Biden, along with every other major network. Furious, Trump encouraged his supporters to instead watch Newsmax, whose ratings skyrocketed as a result. Newsmax hosts have dismissed covid-19 as a “scamdemic” and have speculated that Republican politicians were being infected with the virus as a form of “sabotage.” The Newsmax headliner Michelle Malkin has praised Fuentes as one of the “New Right leaders” and the groypers as “patriotic.”

    At the December 12th rally, I ran into the Pennsylvania Three Percent member whom I’d met in Harrisburg on November 7th. Then he had been a Fox News devotee, but since Election Day he’d discovered Newsmax. “I’d had no idea what it even was,” he told me. “Now the only thing that anyone I know watches anymore is Newsmax. They ask the hard questions.” It seems unlikely that what happened on January 6th will turn anyone who inhabits such an ecosystem against Trump. On the contrary, there are already indications that the mayhem at the Capitol will further isolate and galvanize many right-wingers. The morning after the siege, an alternative narrative, pushed by Jones and other conspiracists, went viral on Parler: the assault on the Capitol had actually been instigated by Antifa agitators impersonating Trump supporters. Mo Brooks, an Alabama congressman who led the House effort to contest the certification of the Electoral College votes, tweeted, “Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics.” (Brooks had warmed up the crowd for Trump on January 6th, with a speech whose bellicosity far surpassed the President’s.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/25/among-the-insurrectionists?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

  37. Today, I saw an enthusiastic group of about ten Trump supporters, waving large Trump flags at a demonstration at Route 18 in East Brunswick, New Jersey.

    I added an image to the post. For some reason, it’s not easy to add images on the ipad, but it’s always easy to do on a true computer.

  38. Just look at this image. A black cop with a MAGA hat. Who is he trying to fool?

    Final proof that BLM was behind the Capitol invasion.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-55700011

  39. Don’t give Pete ideas Noel 🙂