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PARDON?

By Pete Moore On January 20th, 2021

In my country only courts can in any way nullify a criminal conviction. That’s probably why the idea of presidential pardons will always seem odd to my mind. More than odd, such a power in the hands on one overtly political person is both cultish and an obvious opportunity for corruption.

In his last hours in the White House President Trump pardoned a bunch of drug dealers, drug-dealing rappers and corrupt politicians. One of those pardoned is the former Mayor of Detroit Kwame Kilpatrick, a man so corrupt that even Obama balked at giving him a pardon.

Another is the Democratic Party megadonor Salomon Melgen, who performed excruciating and unnecessary procedures on the elderly in the largest ever Medicare fraud. He was also accused by the Obama DOJ of having sex with underage prostitutes.

While these beauties walk Trump had nothing to say about Julian Assange, Edward Snowden or Ross Ulbricht. We know why: Senate Republicans would be furious and they are to be his judge and jury soon.

Whether or not felons are pardoned should have nothing to do with politics, money, personal ambitions and prospects, old friends, back-scratching, chasing media headlines or sending a message.

I know it’s a constitutional power, but why? Can any Americans, people who have always known the practice, explain why presidents ought to have such a power?

34 Responses to “PARDON?”

  1. Completely agree with this post. Its baffling why it was put in the constitution. It is a legalised corruption of due process and clearly inviting abuse of the law by Presidents and Governors who have this apparently unlimited authority. It isn’t good enough to say it is mostly used carefully, it shouldn’t exist at all.

  2. It is a holdover from the time when kings had such power.

    It can’t possibly be justified today.

    A pardon was given the highly corrupt NY Democrat politician Sheldon Silver, likely as a favor to Jewish donors friendly to Trump.

    Joe Exotic ( Tiger King ) was so hopeful of a pardon that he had a limo waiting for him outside the prison. Didn’t get one. Netflix is in mourning.

  3. Julian Assange, Edward Snowden are spies that deserve the full punishment for that crime.

  4. As I mentioned on another thread, I would be interested to see an argument by a Trump supporter that the pardon for Steve Bannon is perfectly valid.

  5. I’m very pleased that Snowdon and Assange were not pardoned.

    Especially Snowden.

    He broke the great trust that was given to him.

    The freezing hell of Russia is a good place for him.

  6. I also mentioned, there could be a case made for the privilege of Pardons to be used as an act of clemency authorised by a President for unrelated to him criminal cases where excessive sentences had been imposed or the criminal had served the sentence and it was seen as a form of rehabilitative mercy or forgiveness in particular circumstances , but it can never be justified if used to allow friends, aides, political associates or business partners to get away without judicial examination . Perhaps the authority of Pardons should be circumscribed to prevent such abuses and Political leaders with the power of Pardons should be legally prevented from using it in cases with a personal association of any kind.

  7. It would take an amendment to the Constitution to do any change at all, and the chuckleheads would oppose it because they think that the Constitution is a Koran that never should be changed.

  8. Darn that Constitution (Peace be upon it) 🙂

  9. Colm –

    Bannon was set up. He was taking donations for the wall. A few straw donors complained about how the money was spent. Real donors didn’t. Then all of a sudden the SDNY, led by the ultra-left Audrey Strauss, was involved when it all happened in El Paso, Texas.

  10. one last one for colm
    obv I’m going to be with my leftie buddies to have good chats about what we’re doing next 4 years , nothing here for us lefties ..

    here ya go colm , sums up how a Qanon supporter feels ( and maybe troll )

    “we all got ass-fucked ”

    https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1351956278566785025

    and on that note, au revoir

    advice: don’t peddle lies, have you opinion ofc and express it, but follow what is true or what is reality, it maybe tough to bear, but there’s no play in lies in the long run, you always get found out .. ALWAYS !!!

  11. Pete

    I’ve read different stories on how he used that money – but nonetheless if its as you say, that’s just the other side of corruption of law used by politicians. All the more reason why a judicial system with all parts of it lead by and decisions made by professional legal officers should decide such matters, not partisan political office holders.

  12. Hi kurt

    ANOTHER last comment I see 🙂

  13. Anyway kurt, isn’t it far more appropriate for you to be here explaining the good stuff Biden is doing to Patrick Pete and Mike, rather than engaging in what would just be a predictable political ‘circle jerk’ with your like minded lefty mates ? 🙂

  14. Hello kurt –

    Have fun. If you can spare a few occasional minutes I would like you to help comment us through the next four years.

  15. Pete

    Don’t you mean the next 8 Biden/Harris years ? 🙂

  16. Colm –

    I mean the next Biden/Harris year and the following three Harris/Pelosi years.

    The Dems have a little noticed problem in four year’s time. However long Biden stays propped up he’ll be 82 in 2023. There’s no way he’ll be a candidate. Karmela Harris? She stank out the Dem primaries, lasting just long enough to accuse Biden of being a racist and a sexual predator before dropping out.

    So even if she stands for Prez she will be ripe for being primaried. But who is there? Neither party has much frontline talent.

  17. Biden very much shows his age.

    And this is one brutal job that ages most people further very fast. ( Not Trump, since he was watching TV and tweeting all the time )

    At Harris as an incumbent would be an overwhelming favorite in any primary contest.

  18. At Harris as an incumbent would be an overwhelming favorite in any primary contest.

    Maybe, but much depends on how the next fours years go.

    The latest RealClearPolitics average of recent polling showed Harris with just 3.4 percent support nationally, and just 3.3 percent and 2.7 percent backing in the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire, respectively.

    She was the Dems’ lantern rouge when she dropped out of the race, behind such luminaries as Pete Buttygig and Amy Klobucher. She was pitifully bad. Let’s be honest, if she were white no-one would have heard of her again.

  19. It was exceptionally strange that Biden picked her after what she did to him in the debate.

  20. In his last hours in the White House President Trump pardoned a bunch of drug dealers, drug-dealing rappers and corrupt politicians. One of those pardoned is the former Mayor of Detroit Kwame Kilpatrick, a man so corrupt that even Obama balked at giving him a pardon. Another is the Democratic Party megadonor Salomon Melgen, who performed excruciating and unnecessary procedures on the elderly in the largest ever Medicare fraud. He was also accused by the Obama DOJ of having sex with underage prostitutes.

    It’s odd that you pick out a couple of Democrats but don’t mention the most famous name on the list, Steve Bannon. But I suppose as a white nationalist he gets a bye-ball?

  21. Or this connected bag man

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/19/cuomo-trashes-a-trump-pardon-of-sheldon-silver/

  22. Cuomo is always picking fights with Jews.

  23. Trump is 100% connected with the two party crime system. Always was. That’s what this is all about.

    Sheldon Adelson is smiling from hell at this.

  24. maybe petem, events dependent, ty though 🙂

    but really i’ve spent 4 years feeling really shit about a lunatic in the WH
    Left or Right ya gotta be a decent guy, or if not show a bit of contrition when you’re caught.
    We’ve had a devil in the WH, no shame , and now it seems like Biden is quite the angel of the moment after his speech, lauded by fox news and wallace etc

    The bitter twisted loons are shrinking, hannity has no future, there day is done

    next 4 years ,
    do i want to be part of a site that will just run Biden down , no matter what?
    not really, pat’s already started on the silly threads, he’s degrading the truth the future and will continue to do so , for no good reason just stupidity and malice
    No i don’t need that shit .. its a swamp and i’m out of it .. and glad to be
    can’t teach stoopid ..
    Peace and best wishes — scaramucci made the turn , he’s worth listening to and following as is michael cohen, they’re the people that were sucked into the trap and got out of it , at some cost , they’re the heroes, the bright lights because they made that journey
    winners – they’re the real winners ..

  25. Peter

    Pete has already explained on this thread why he thinks Bannon is an innocent fitted up victim.

  26. Thanks Colm

    Yes, an obvious setup. But Bannon was bragging that he would be acquitted so it’s strange that Trump pardons him in advance.

    Surely there couldn’t be more to it? As in Bannon threatening to dish dirt on Trump unless he got a pardon for a crime that he knew he’d committed? Nah, couldn’t be that. Move on, nothing to see here.

  27. We’ve had a devil in the WH, no shame , and now it seems like Biden is quite the angel of the moment after his speech ..

    Biden supported segregation. He sponsored a bill to enforce it on black children.

    Does no-one read any more?

    do i want to be part of a site that will just run Biden down , no matter what? not really, pat’s already started on the silly

    So push back. Make your argument. PVR isn’t the only one posting here anyway. I will always do my best to be fair and balanced. Everyone knows that.

  28. While it is true that pardon would not overturn a conviction (as only the courts can quash a conviction) in the UK it is wrong to suggest that they don’t exist. They do – the royal prerogative of mercy, which can be used to reduce or even vacate sentences, most famously in recent times was the retroactive pardoning of Alan Turing for homosexuality. The convicted murderer Steven Gallant, who stopped the London Bridge attack, received a conditional pardon. Gerry Kelly received a pardon (of his bogus murder conviction) to help facilitate his extradition from the Netherlands. So they do exist. Now obviously this power is used far more sparingly than it is used in the United States it does still exist. And while theoretically the power lies with the Queen, like all royal prerogative powers she will only take action on the advice of her ministers. So de facto the pardon procedure is now controlled by the Lord Chancellor (and historically I believe the Home Secretary – though not anymore). Thus the pardon power in the UK is controlled by politicans as well, though they use it far more sparingly.

  29. Never understood this either. It does seem to make a mockery of justice. but hey, it is how they do things over there.

  30. Tradition is important

  31. We’ve always had this corrupt tradition, so lets keep it !

  32. The likes of Clinton and Trump have destroyed any arguments for keeping it.

    Trump this year seemingly has pardoned every political criminal in the country. And the poor dumb bastards actually believed that this guy would ” clean the swamp “. He has been openly criminal in all his activities.

    No one should have any such unlimited powers.

  33. He didn’t ‘drain the swamp’ he’s just helped a lot of swamp dwellers to get clean away 🙂

  34. Trump Pardons Art Dealer Helly Nahmad, Convicted of Running a Gambling Ring Out of Trump Tower, in One of His Final Presidential Acts
    Nahmad, who owns an entire floor at Trump Tower, was sentenced to prison in 2014.

    Sarah Cascone, January 20, 2021

    Drain the swamp!