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I don’t like Rand Paul, but this is worth listening to

By Patrick Van Roy On January 27th, 2021

He makes some very good points.

35 Responses to “I don’t like Rand Paul, but this is worth listening to”

  1. “He makes some very good points.”

    No he doesn’t. He makes ignorant points that ignorant people will agree with. But that is only evidence of their ignorance, not the strength of his argument.

    If we are about to try to impeach a President, where is the Chief Justice?

    Rand Paul is changing his argument to suit himself. First he refers to Trump as “a former President” and then refers to him as a “President”. But the constitution is clear on the matter. Firstly Trump is not the President, Joe Biden is. And the Chief Justice only presides over the trial of the President. It doesn’t put the Chief Justice in the chair when trying former Presidents.

    “If the accused is no longer President, where is the constitutional power to impeach him?”

    Where are the originalists? Originalists, when it comes to denying people healthcare, or trying to improve the economy, like to pretend the constitution has to be interpreted based on the views of the 18th century slavers who passed it in the first place. Well impeachment comes from English law and there was precedent from English law for trying someone for high crimes via impeachment despite that person no longer being in office. And when the 18th century slavers created American impeachment they did so in the context of English law. So the originalist (which Troll likes to pretend he is) interpretation of impeachment makes it clear that impeachment after a person has left office is perfectly acceptable.

    “Impeachment is for removal from office, and the accused here has already left office.”

    Rand Paul is ignoring his own constitution, and like many members of the increasingly radical right he doesn’t understand his own constitution. Impeachment is not solely for removal from office. “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States”. Thus it is explicitly not limited to removal from office.

    “Ask me or anyone if that is incitement.”

    Did Bernie Sanders, in his rhetoric, call for his supporters to go to Republican congressmen and show their strength? Because if he did then I would agree that is incitement.

    “Now we have seven Senators on the other side trying to expel, censor, or impugn two Senators on this side. I defend them, not because I defend their position–I disagreed with their position–but you can’t impeach, censor, or expel people you disagree with.”

    Plenty have pointed out your support for McCarthyism in the past. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve also never heard any criticism of the decision in the 1920s of the Republican House to refuse to sit Victor L. Berger, the democratically elected Congressman from Milwaukee. Why did they refuse to sit him? Because he was a member of the Socialist Party of America.

  2. I like Rand Paul and he was spectacular yesterday. Being so calm and measured you would never know that Democratic voters have harrassed him, grievously wounded him and even tried to kill him.

    His charge, that multiple Democrats have used language wholly more inflammatory and inciteful than Trump, without Republicans tring to impeach them, is unarguable. A Democrat didn’t only shoot Steve Scalise. He tried to commit the mass murder of Republicans at the time and he was fired up to do so by Democratic rhetoric. No Republicans tried to impeach any Democrat.

    Rand Paul is correct: this never ending impeachment is a sham and a farce. The fallout, the divisions, the bad feeling and hatreds which will last years belong to the Democrats.

  3. A Republican QAnon congresswoman endorsed political murder

    Which Democrat has done that.

  4. But Phantom, she’s a Patriot so that’s cool. You need to get with the programme.

  5. “That Trump is responsible for the assault on the Capitol is clear far beyond a reasonable doubt. Trump informed the assembled crowd on January 6 that “if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” and that “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” He then directed the mob at the Capitol, falsely telling the rioters he would accompany them, retreating to the White House instead. Those arrested after the attack have themselves told the authorities they were acting on the president’s admonitions. Behind the scenes, Trump was attempting to orchestrate an autogolpe using the Justice Department to force states to overturn their vote tallies; he was foiled only by the threat of mass resignations. The mob was his last resort…

    To avoid a difficult choice, some Senate Republicans have coalesced around the cowardly and nonsensical argument that ex-presidents cannot be tried by the Senate. But neither the text of the Constitution nor the intent of the Framers can justify, say, a president ordering a drone strike on the Supreme Court and then resigning and retiring to private life without consequence. Or imagine a president ordering a politically aligned militia to assemble outside Congress in order to compel the opposition party to pass a law he favors, without explicitly ordering an attack. An acquittal would represent an invitation to a future president to use force to bend Congress to his will…”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/stakes-senates-impeachment-trial-couldnt-be-higher/617805/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20210125&silverid=NjIzNTcxMzkyMDgxS0

  6. Phantom, on January 27th, 2021 at 8:57 PM Said: Edit Comment
    A Republican QAnon congresswoman endorsed political murder

    Did they arrest her….. no

    So you are making an accusation that the authorities didn’t feel there was enough to make….. but she threatened murder because she “Liked” a comment…..

    How about AOC’s Tweets in support for those calling for the deaths of NYPD she endorsed violence against COPS in her OWN words she didn’t just “Like” a violent tweet…

    Where was outrage…. she tweeted support for violence against cops in her own word and not a peep out of you or anyone else…. but that’s OK she’s a democrat support for attacking and killing cops is just fine with them and you.

  7. Take your meds

  8. Plus there’s this

    During an interview with New York’s Hot 97 earlier this week, Ocasio-Cortez argued “marginalized” communities have no choice but to riot against their so-called oppressors.

    That’s a full throated endorsement of violence against the Government…. not a peep out of you…

  9. Here is Maxine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tts1q9TgXxg&ab_channel=RolandS.Martin

  10. Yes Comrade I should be on meds to deal with your insanity.

  11. Neither of them endorsed killing people.

    Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene ( QAnon-Rep) supported a ” bullet to the head “of people that she doesn’t agree with, who were mentioned by name.

  12. So it’s Ok for AOC to give full verbal endorsement of Political Violence, Maxine Waters can scream through a megaphone for people to commit political violence…

    but a Republican Woman “Likes” a comment on political violence she has to go,,,,

    It is the stupidity of the Left and people like Phantom pushing this double standard that is going to provoke real violence.

    A society can not have 2 sets of rules.

  13. You’ve understood nothing.

    Next case.

  14. Phantom she liked a comment the two dems called themselves for violence.

    If that equates as equal to you then you seriously have a problem in your thought process…..

  15. Yes I don’t understand….. when the violence starts I won’t be surprised, but to you it will be 2 things a mystery and Trumps fault……

  16. pbs

  17. and all this is incitement to violence by democrat politicians and pundits including a call from one democrat politician to assassinate the President,,,,,,

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1300397571538640901

  18. Sept. 10, 2014, file photo, Missouri state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal speaks on the Senate floor in Jefferson City, Mo. Chappelle-Nadal says she posted and then deleted a comment on Facebook that said she hoped for President Donald Trump’s assassination. The Democratic Senator says she didn’t mean what she posted Thursday, Aug. 17, 2017, but was frustrated with the president

    remove the log from your eye…….;

  19. Well she’s a filthy animal, just like Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene ( QAnon-Rep)

  20. Patrick

    Do you worry about the GOP having lawmakers who support QAnon?

  21. Patrick

    You and Cruz are certain that Trump should not be impeached because he is no longer the POTUS. So presumably if he had incited the Capitol riot a year ago you both would have been 100% in support of impeachment?

    Nah, thought not.

  22. Mumblespeak to follow

  23. You and Cruz are certain that Trump should not be impeached because he is no longer the POTUS. So presumably if he had incited the Capitol riot a year ago you both would have been 100% in support of impeachment?

    IF…. if the dog didn’t stop to shit, he would’ve caught the rabbit….

    Do you worry about the GOP having lawmakers who support QAnon?

    not as much as I worry about the ones who support karl marx and lenin but are too stupid to know it…..

  24. I’ll take that as no and no.

  25. no take what I said, not what you want to think I said…..

  26. They never criticize their team

    They never would have mentioned QAnon, even though it is a significant force in Trumper World these days

  27. Cruz has to be the most despicable GOP member of the Senate, even worse than Hawley. They are both hoping to get the GOP nomination for 2024 but they will never be credible as true Trumpists. Trump will not forgive what Cruz said about him during the 2016 primaries, he’s not the forgiving kind.

  28. Well Cruz did come crawling to Trump, even introducing the family to him, even what Trump said about Cruz’s wife and father.

    Cruz is lower than a snake’s belly. A perfect GOP leader.

  29. Q anon is not a significant force in anything….. If you believe that you’ve been sold a bill of goods.

    It started with a nerd on 4chan who the Q actually stood for Q from startrek. I believe it was the pizzagate or some other wild fabrication of the lunatic right. Whichever fantasy sparked it everyone laughed about it…. until someone on the left took them seriously and made a big show of ridiculing the pack of little gits.

    What that did was every dive cause for every wiseass on the right which is anyone on the right that’s on social media they all added a Q to their handles. Thus the birth of Qanon and the even bigger joke is the right…. people like me, my mentality and political views are laughing once again even harder because now “Q” has stormed the Capital….

    The Q are the misfits, there is no organization, no network, they are not BLM, they are not Antifa, they have no network, no funding. What the are is a figment of propaganda that you are buying hookline and sinker….. they are the birthers, the truthers, the sandyhook and 9/11 was faked loonytunes who are providing the left some usefull idiots nothing more.

  30. Cruz would be a great President.

    He’ll never get elected.

  31. What the are is a figment of propaganda that you are buying hookline and sinker

    But Trump has expressed his admiration and they were prominent in the Capitol invasion. It will be interesting to see how many of the hundreds of convistions will be of QAnon supporters.

    He’ll never get elected.

    Unless Trump endorses him, which seems unlikely. Keep an eye on Tucker and Don Junior. And the Old Man might go for another run himself. He’d walk the nomination.

  32. I don’t see any national appeal for Don Junior with the beard.

    If Donald wasn’t his father he’d be a desk clerk at one of the hotels

  33. I don’t see any national appeal for Don Junior with the beard.

    The Trumpists love him. He made a rabble-rousing speech on 6 January, just before his Old Man. Crooked Rudy blew off some steam as well.

  34. Cruz even though he was my candidate and would be my candidate if he ran he is unelectable.

    Trump won because of the Union vote, Cruz will never get the Union vote. He can carry the R vote but will get no crossover.

    None of the Trump children are electable, the 3 frontrunners are Cruz, Hawley, and DeSantis. Cruz scares people and Hawly is too green. DeSantis at this point is the front runner,,,, 4 years out.

  35. Trumps kids have no personality

    Say what you will about Donald Trump, he has a personality that stands out.