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And my fear is growing.

Remember the flying imams?  Back in November 2006, six imams left an Islamic Conference and boarded an airplane in Minneapolis, USA.  Before departure, the imams prayed loudly in the departure area, loudly criticized the United States in English, switched seats and sat in 9/11 hijacker formation, and requested seat belt extenders and then placed them under their seats. In short, the imams terrorized the other passengers.

Because of the complaints from frightened passengers, the imams were eventually taken off the plane and not allowed to fly. They are now suing the airlines.  

There is a surprise … they seek to sue – not only the airlines – but the passengers! ?!?!  Who is the victim here?

This marks an insidious turn in the ongoing PR campaign launched by radical islam to dhimmify the infidel (that’s you and me, in case you haven’t been paying attention.) It resembles the cartoon crisis, but without the riots. And, like the cartoon crisis, it is calculated, manufactured.

“The imams’ attempt to bully ordinary passengers marks an alarming new front in the war on airline security. Average folks, "John Does" like you and me, initially observed and reported the imams’ suspicious behavior on Nov. 20. Such people are our "first responders" against terrorism. But the imams’ suit may frighten such individuals into silence, as they seek to avoid the nightmare of being labeled bigots and named as defendants.”

Another interesting detail in this case:  one of the imams, Omar Shahin, gave a presentation at the Islamic Conference and his topic dealt with manipulating the media.

You can download the conference program here.


Of course, CAIR, the Islamists’ lobby group funded by Saudi Arabia and befriended by the Democrats, is handling the lawsuit.

More information here.

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75 thoughts on “I’m an Islamophobe

  1. Patty – I doubt this will effect anyone on a plane who sees disruptive behavior. The lawsuit was filed in Federal Court which menas that the plaintiffs and their attorneys could be the subject of sanctions for frivolous claims (which would be likely if they proceed against the passengers). The airline should countersue.

    hint -if you want to convince people with your posts, avoid the temptation to blame everything on the Democrats. The leading Saudi asskissers in this country have always been the Bush family.

  2. Patty – on a recent trip to France a muslim woman two rows from me took out a koran and started her prayers. She constantly checked her watch and shoes. I found it very upsetting. I figured that if anyone made a complaint that she would simply kick up a shitstorm and sue. After 20 minutes of rocking back and forth amd mumbling, fidgeting and drawing attention to herself she stopped. There is a wrap up prayer muslims can do when they are in awkward environments or miss prayers. There is no need for this on a plane. Many passengers were uncomfortable. None complained. Its called tolerance. Something they seem to be distinctly lacking in the current climate and yet some people here on ATW consistently fail to acknowledge.

  3. One thing I find rather strange, (and I’m not alone in this), is the fact that, particularly since 9/11, there have been so few actual Islamic terrorist attacks. Obviously this is an overwhelmingly good thing, but consider this point.

    Ulster paramilitaries carried out shootings, bombings and various other atrocities on an almost daily basis throughout the 70s,80s and much of the 90s. Most of these took place within a globally minute region, despite a heavy police and army presence, not to mention a network of informers. Such terrorist ‘incidents’ ran well into the thousands over a 30 year period.

    Yet, with the entire USA and UK as their playground (not to mention much of western Europe), these determined Islamic fanatics, apparently numbering many thousands and prepared to die for their cause, have inflicted a minute fraction of that managed by PIRA. Remember these people are supposedly champing at the bit to blow themselves up due to their hatred of the west. Exactly what is stopping them?

    Are we seriously to believe that MI6 et al are so efficient that they have located every single suspect and shut them down? They couldn’t manage that in Northern Ireland despite high-grade intelligence, numerous informers and a vast security budget. So how are they managing it now?

    There are only two possible explanations — either there was no serious effort made to contain the NI ‘problem’ or else the threat from Islamic terrorism is actually being seriously overplayed.
    Any thoughts?

  4. Unused as they are freedom of speech, and all that implies, they are sensitive to overt critcism, and they attempt to stifle it whenever, and wherever it occurs.

    The problem is our media and government are likewise overly sensitive to their smallest complaint, and rather than suggest that they get used to it, or leave, they pander to them.

    We must not forget that muslims wrote the book on devious, conniving behaviour…

  5. Human Animals – interesting point. I believe it is a combination of good (and lucky) security (some plots have been foiled) and an overplaying of the terrorist card. In addition, despite a vocal anti-Western contingent of Muslims in the West, the majority reject actual terrorism.

    Alsion – a woman looked at her watch while traveling? How strange.

  6. Mahons – please stop being so goddamm patronising to anyone who doesnt share your opinion. You really do need to get out and have a drink. Whats with you at the moment? I found it a prettu scary time.Did i say she simply looked at het watch? Screw you mahons. Two planes fly into your goddam world trade centre – clearly you need a few more.

  7. ”We must not forget that muslims wrote the book on devious, conniving behaviour…”

    Any guesses who wrote the book on half-witted stereotyping?

    Mahons: ”despite a vocal anti-Western contingent of Muslims in the West, the majority reject actual terrorism.”

    Absolutely agree Mahons. However thanks to nonsensical comments like the ‘devious conniving’ rant above, the west may yet manage to radicalise even the most moderate Muslim.
    Witness the reactions of the moderate Nationalist community in NI to Bloody Sunday and the hunger strikes. When a community feels sufficiently under threat and marginalised, it will support it’s extremes.

  8. JG,

    Thanks for the link. All sounds very plausible, but then every time I fly I get the double search treatment, – why? I have a lot of metal in my body which sets all the bells a ringing, I too always have to take off my shoes, and have quite a time getting them back on!

    Yes, I do get irate, as the immigration and security folk are not the most diplomatic, but knowing the situation, I accept that something has to be seen to be done, whether it is effective is moot, but as individual discretion and profiling is not allowed by operatives, what other measures can be taken?

    I wonder what outcry would take place if no questions had been asked and an incident had occured, it’s a no-win situation for everyone.

    Given the party’s background and history, it is not surprising they would take the matter this far, after all wasn’t this whole incident orchestrated from the beginning?

  9. Human Animals, that is interesting. Could it be that American and British forces are drawing the true jihadis into the fight in the Iraq and Afgan theaters of the war? Or possibly they lie low until they can pull off another "big one."

    Unfortunately, we don’t know how many attacks have been thwarted.

  10. "However thanks to nonsensical comments like the ‘devious conniving’ rant above, the west may yet manage to radicalise even the most moderate Muslim."

    Oh what utter drivel. So it’s us yet again, is it? Will you dribbling liberals EVER get around to holding muslims accountable for their own actions?

    So criticism of muslims may yet radicalise muslims – can Christians and Jews take the gloves off with most of the middle east in that case? Or are you not aware of the torrent of anti-Western propoganda spewing from that wholly dysfunctional blot on the earth on a daily basis?

    You liberals really do come out with the biggest load of old tosh I’ve ever read in my life.

    As I type this Sky News has reported that a Church of England primary school has blackballed ‘Three Little Pigs’ for the children in their care – can I get radicalised now?!!

  11. You’re right of course Charles — those are possibilities. But a dozen or so determined Jihadis could easily bring London to a standstill via a few well-placed ‘operatives’. One particularly insidious IRA tactic was to give several false bomb warnings to detract from the ‘main event.’ In another example, a small team were able to fire mortars at Heathrow Airport and 10 Downing Street, inflicting little damage, but paralysing the capital and costing millions. None of this type of thing has occured.

    There is certainly a concerted attempt being made to make Iraq & Afghanistan ungovernable, but with the supposedly huge numbers of martyrs available, are we really to believe that the west is being ignored until the next ”big one?”

    Militant Islam has been around in various forms for centuries. My tuppence worth is that it has replaced Communist Russia as the latest media bogey man.

  12. HA,

    Ever heard of, or read The Koran? There are many passages that encourage such behaviour when dealing with infidels.

    Nothing wrong with a bit of steroetyping, or profiling, in the current context it makes sense to be wary – in this war the soldiers do not wear uniforms. Or perhaps you do not see this as a war!

    An uncritical acceptance of strangers would seem to be the truly half-witted course of action.

  13. Alison: Ouch. Make that a double ouch. But at least you said "please".

    I couldn’t agree with you more about the need for a drink. Sadly, in a moment of weakness I agreed not to drink any alcohol this March (one exception being this Saturday), so perhaps I am a little more irritated and irritating than usual.

    As for your personal experience on the flight with Mrs. Osama, I didn’t mean to belittled your experience so much as to point out at something that didn’t strike me as unusual in a traveler. Maybe I am not picturing the scene clearly, but your fellow passengers it go, where they cowed or complacent?

    I don’t mind being told to screw (is it myself or someone else, you weren’t clear) but the suggestion that I need more planes to fly into buildings in New York strikes me as the reason we count to ten when we are angry before we say or write something foolish.

  14. ”You liberals really do come out with the biggest load of old tosh I’ve ever read in my life.”

    Yeah right Pete. Best thing to do is launch a full frontal attack on an entire community for the sins of their extremists.
    Why not blame all the Irish for the IRA?
    Or all Roman Catholics for clerical abuse?
    Or all southerners for the Klu Klux Klan?
    Or all gung-ho blog posters for the invasion of Iraq?

  15. <Q>Why not blame all the Irish for the IRA?</Q>

    Sounds fair enough to me mate !

  16. You really do need to get out and have a drink. No Alison this man is seriously in need of ‘getting laid’! The vibes come over loud & clear – frustration!

    Alison I really think everyone in EU knows the problem but because of the human rights situation dare not say. It would cause a frenzy amongst the indigenous populations…everyone knows. The french politicians, with the possible exception of that creep Chirac are aware of what is going on. but they have all dug themselves in a hole. They will emerge just a question of time.

  17. <Q>Militant Islam has been around in various forms for centuries. My tuppence worth is that it has replaced Communist Russia as the latest media bogey man.</Q>

    I agree HA

    <Q>Ever heard of, or read The Koran? There are many passages that encourage such behaviour when dealing with infidels.</Q>

    Ever read the Bible Ernest?

  18. Mahons – Of course i dont mean that and i think you should listen to your own advice re counting to ten at the moment! But it was a truly frightening experience. Other passengers were bricking it. I worried if i say someting im paranoid if i dont this could be curtains.

    I flew home from the US the day after 9/11 and ive been terrified of flying ever since. I get on trains buses and tubes in London and because of 7/7 feel nervous and worried. Some days you feel confident other days some nutjob tries to wind passengers up.

    You just have to sit there and swallow hard. When you dont react (like some passengers have on planes in the past) and keep your mouth shut and *believe* in the best in people you get to share the experience of nervous passengers all around you looking at each other and wondering if they should say anything.

    You put up with the uncertainty, the incessant whining of lobbying muslims, the court cases for wearing the veil etc etc etc And when you watch programmes like Undercover Mosque you know it is only a question not of if but when. I was trying on shoes one day in west London some years back, first shopping spree in the Big City, next minute im lucky to have escaped with my life and covered in glass. Kudos the IRA. Such is life. I was very very lucky. But you put up and shut up ALL THE TIME. Im sick of terrorism and im very sick of the hearty dose of ‘couldntcareless’ to anyone that dares to say so. Im sorry about that. Much like Andrew says, enough is enough. I try to believe in peoples better nature and im encouraged by the outspoken nature of some muslims here of late ( and try to point it out when i can) but the fact is our government seeks advice from and sidles up to an organisation by the name of the MCB who are far from moderate and act as a lobby group much like CAIR. Religious fundamentalism is the undoing of free speech in our most basic institutions. But some are choosing to sniff at it because they arent keen on the left/right side doing the talking. The only way to get on top of this situation is for both left and right to see the same issue and say something about it, highlight it and continue to do so. Good bad and ugly. Ive tried to cover all on ATW but very honestly Mahons that remark seemed indifferent and as such i angrily reacted. I do apologise though.

  19. ”Ever heard of, or read The Koran? There are many passages that encourage such behaviour when dealing with infidels.”

    There certainly are Ernest, and just like the Bible, it’s not the words, but how people choose to interpret and act on them that counts.

    ‘Nothing wrong with a bit of steroetyping, or profiling, in the current context it makes sense to be wary – in this war the soldiers do not wear uniforms. Or perhaps you do not see this as a war!’

    The war on terror you mean? Fighting terrorism by bombing civilians, ill-judged invasions and random torture? You ever read Animal Farm?
    The notion of a war on terror is every bit as nonsensical as a war on drugs or a war on flies. Terrorism requires a cause and a community support base. Eliminate the first and you eliminate the second automatically.
    Adopt a war on terror scatter-gun approach and you end up with, well, Iraq.

  20. HA,

    When you ask "Why not blame all the …" I think you have not been paying much attention to the threads here at ATW.

    BTW, I like to think of ATW as my Readers Digest of Rightworld. I don’t have to slog through all those annoying blogs; I can get it distilled right (wink, wink) here.

  21. Yes Maggie – i agree but i went a step too far re the planes. And agree about Europe. Its far from screwed and i never have paid too much attention to that ‘were all doomed’ scenarios. But we have a problem nonetheless.

    Re communism – very very much so Mad in its thinking and philosophy -the bogeyman argument is bogus though. Too many solid cases at the Old Bailey suggest otherwise.

  22. Alison – Now that isn’t nice, agreeing with Maggie’s unkind projection. I agree I need a drink, but with Bush as president I join all Americans in getting screwed every day.

  23. Mahons – I apologise I went too far, once you get started on throwing personal insults the argument is lost. I happen to think that you have a penchant for arguing and don’t necessarily believe the crap you have written. Incidentally where is everyone I believe about 198 people or more got involved in the National Anthem debate in Croke Park, but there is still the same old half a dozen people involved in setting the Muslim debate to rest. Am going to watch Everyone on TV now if I can find a channel showing it…it’s funny and takes me away from all this crud.

  24. "I happen to think that you have a penchant for arguing and don’t necessarily believe the crap you have written."

    Another great by line for the Readers Digest of Rightworld.

  25. Patty,

    "And my fear is growing."

    What, again? How big can your fear get? First they were a threat – an existential threat, mind you – to our way of life and everything we held dear. Then somehow only a day later they upped the ante from there and you said the threat was growing. Now the fear is growing and it is only a couple hours since you said the threat grew. I really don’t know what else you think they can threaten unless maybe they can find a wormhole to a parallel universe and threaten that.

  26. Maggie: No worries. When discussing such nonconfrontational issues (ha ha) as politics, race, religion etc. we sometimes all have the ability to push one another’s buttons.

    I did have to laugh how you say I have a penchant for argument and in the same sentence declare what I have written crap. The pot calling the kettle black? Anyway, no hard feelings.

  27. Damn Alan, you were quick on that one. Have you noticed the speed at which some citizens of rightworld take personal offense to someone who disagrees with them and the level of retribution. Muslims, Blacks, Liberals and Gays can be called every name in the book and can be blamed for everything under the sun. Disagree and you are blind, deaf, illiterate, undersexed, argumentative, insulting and unpatriotic.

  28. Maggie – do you mean you think the left are capricious screaming snobs? Say it aint so! I believe it was the Lefts very own Virginia Wolfe who mocked the commoners such as us 😉 George Bernard Shaw HG Wells and her goodself glibly discussed eugenics regards us dirty proles with our outspoken views and conventionality. Heh.

    Another great sneer to chalk up in ‘Leftworld’ 😉

  29. mahons, you really are a great advertisement for temperance tonite. Despite all the horrible and unprovoked crap flung at you here, you maintain your even keel. The wagon is obviously doing you a lot of good, stay on it. (is this for Lent, BTW?)

  30. Mahons: "The leading Saudi asskissers in this country have always been the Bush family." I totally agree with you on this. I dragged the Democrats in on this discussion because they invited CAIR to conference in Washington yesterday. That being said, Bush’s spokesperson, Karen Hughes and Condi gives them great credibility. This is not a Dem. v. Repub. issue so much as focusing in on what is going on.

    I’m rooting for moderate Muslims, those who appreciate the West’s freedoms and opportunities – I don’t think it helps them at all if we non-Muslims are accepting and silent in the face of censorship. (censorship in this case being speaking out and saying you are afraid of Muslims acting in a fearful manner on an airplane.)

  31. Maggie – you are a model of temperance for supporting me in the trite unfeeling crap thrown my way tonight. Im not sure why i bothered with a heartfelt response given what followed. But thank you.

  32. Cunningham: For Lent I gave up throwing rocks at whales.

    I don’t think I could do the forty day abstention from alcohol (Budweiser shareholders would never forgiveme). It was just a let me see kind of thing. Michael J. Fox had a great line on alcohol "Thank God I don’t have a drinking problem because I could never give it up."

  33. Patty,

    "I’m rooting for moderate Muslims,"

    Are you one of the ones who roots for moderates by agreeing with the extremists that claim to represent the "real" Islam? Or are you another kind?

    "those who appreciate the West’s freedoms and opportunities – I don’t think it helps them at all if we non-Muslims are accepting and silent in the face of censorship. (censorship in this case being speaking out and saying you are afraid of Muslims acting in a fearful manner on an airplane.)"

    That’s not censorship and it’s sure as hell not rooting for moderate Muslims.

  34. Patty – Thoughtful argument. Maggie and Alsion won’t let you in their coven if you keep that up.

  35. Frank – Patty’s the first conservative to seek common ground on this thread. Some points for that. Plus she didn’t start of by suggesting I screw myself.

  36. Patty – your post was thoughtful from the start and didnt merit the first comment. It was plainly obvious to all regards the Democrats what you meant.

  37. Mahons – it may have escaped your oh so hurt notice that a few apologies have swung your way tonight in spite of your trite stupid pathetic remark about my experience on that plane. I explained to you why i said what i did at length above. You havent responded. You have balls stop being such an old woman.

  38. Mahons: I’ll try not to repeat it.

    Frank: Hi.

    Your pun about nuts on the other thread was LOL funny. 🙂

  39. Frank – i exclude you from any of the above btw – but what do you mean about censorship? Im curious given the news today.

  40. Alison: I don’t recall asking for an apology, and if you feel you needed to make one, that was your choice.

    Perhaps I didn’t realize the extent of your feelings of your experience on the plane. The degree of one’s feelings do not always come across in one’s writings. I don’t mean to belittle your feelings which I am sure are genuine. But whatever your feelings we clearly have different opinions.

    May I say that I accept your statement that I have balls as a peace offering of sorts (you might have said otherwise).

    In the interest of continued debate without rancor allow me to apologize without reservation if I offended you personally.

  41. JG: I read the article you referenced. He says it "sucks to be a Muslim/American" these days. I assume you agree?

    I say it sucks even more to be a Christian/American/Woman in Saudi Arabia.

    When Saudi Arabia allows me to bring a Bible into the country, and to wear a cross around my neck, instead of a blanket over my body, then I’ll take this guys pity party seriously.

    By the way, it’s pretty obvious he brought this press conference on himself by wearing a provocative t-shirt – in ARABIC and English on a plane.

  42. <Q>Disagree and you are blind, deaf, illiterate, undersexed, argumentative, insulting and unpatriotic. </Q>

    You left out "plastic Paddy" Mahons 😉

  43. Well ive explained it to you above so say no more. It seemed though to get railroaded again later so i thought id point out it – its important to take on board what people mean when they explain, and why they say what they do o/w we speak at cross purposes and never see common ground. Yes it was a peace offering – well decoded. Thanks for the apology.

  44. I think Patty meant "censorship in this case being (that one is prevented from) speaking out and saying you are afraid of .."

    Alison, there are two things here: the natural and understandable fear so many people have when flying post 9-11 and
    the real behaviour of those people on your and the Minneapolis planes. In situations like those, it’s hard to objectify what really happened, as nothing distorts memory like fear.
    Rationally of course it is clear that a wannabe terrorist would never draw attention to him/herself in such ways, would never act in any way suspiciously, etc. But it’s also clear that other passengers before take-off might not bear that fact in mind.

  45. Mad – we will get plastic paddified enough on Saturday

    Frank – none the wiser i need to scroll back up!

  46. Well, 9 minutes to go until Goodfellas starts on channel 4. Coffee made, Dunhill filled with something tasty and time to tidy up and log off for a few hours!

  47. Patty (you go girl!), Alison, Maggie, Ernest, Charles, and Pete have the correct view of the situation.

    The rest of you are too soft on this issue.

    Mahons strikes me as someone who gets laid pretty regularly, rarely snippy, usually thoughtfully intelligent. It must be the lack of Bud.

  48. Cunningham – OK – but i think its wrong to wind people up on planes. its irresponsible and hugely unfair behaviour in this day and age. I dont resent people for feeling that way. I said nothing only b/c i guessed as much and thought she was on the make. I can see a good line in toy jews for flights in those situations – pull one out of your hand luggage and plonk him in the seat next to you replete with ringlets and hat – for protection.

  49. >>I can see a good line in toy jews for flights in those situations -<<

    Funny you should mention that, because incredibly a short time ago an orthodox (Hasidic) Jew was ordered off a plane when he started praying. The interesting/absurd point about it was that the flight attendant ordered him off as he was deemed to be upsetting other passengers, and the attendant was apparently acting in line with regulations in doing so! So your fellow passengers could have had a case.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/09/05/qc-hasidicprayeronplane.html

  50. Daphne: Appreciated. However, someone who is too soft will not likely be getting laid regularly (beat you to it Colm). But I while I will happily accept conjecture and wild speculation as to my drinking life, I would prefer that my love life remain private. At least until the Guniness Book of World Records recognizes true greatness.

  51. Cunningham – I was trying to recall if I had imagined that. I do recall that incident.

    I would gladly accept a praying fanatic of any creed over the cell phone conversation worshippers I ride the trains with.

  52. Evening all.

    I, of course, agree with everybody, especially the ones who feel threatened by fidgeters. I mean, they should ban fidgeting completely. I was sitting on the train this morning, and there was this woman picking her nose. They should have her deported. To wherever it is she is from. Banbridge or somewhere.

    Yes, I sit beside weirdoes and freaks on buses and trains all the time. They just sit there, threatening me from behind their copy of Heat magazine.

    Well, I’ve had enough of it. And if they don’t like it, they can leave. Pack ’em off to a concentration camp or something. I mean, what right to they have giving me funny looks while I’m sat there, minding my own business, doing nothing worse than giving off a bad smell? I mean, why can’t people be look like me: ugly, smelly and catatonic.

    And don’t get me started on this multiculturalism business. Multiculturalism has gone too far. Back when it was uniculturalism, it was far better. You know. When you’d wheel your bicycle up to the bakers at the top of the cobbled street. To the Hovis music from Dvorak’s New World Symphony. Czech, he was. Bloody Czechs.

    Anwway. Let’s face it. We’ve all gone soft. In dear old Winston’s time, the Sun Had Got His Hat On. Today, The West Has Lost Its Hard On. And what is that I spy growing in the East? A crescent? A banana? Worse?

    On that note. I have just been contacted by someone very high up in the establishment to participate in a project to start breeding Orcs to defend the Gates of Vienna. I will mail you with an update very soon.

  53. Yeah, I thought you might catch the soft comment. I look forward to reading about your exploits in the future, until then, we respect your right to privacy.

    I think a double standard applies to religions recently, everybody is so wary of offending muslims, but it’s okay to skewer jews and christians.

    Loud cell phone talkers should be burned at the stake…A Critians Perspective (sarc)

  54. Daphne – i have purchased a jewish khaffiya to wind up the unnecessary praying bearded bandits and robed replicators at 35 ooo feet.

    However jewish doll could be adapted from an old action man. ha ha.

  55. You just made snort out Makers Mark!

    Have you seen the boxing nun puppets? We could do a rabbi take on that with a loud voice box reciting Kadish!!

    Watch ’em run baby

  56. Sorry I left so abruptly, but the builder stopped by, we’re thinking about increasing our carbon footprint!!

    Hugh – you should really buy a car, public transport blows, seriously, the only nose picker you have to deal with is yourself.

  57. It helps to remind you. I get on transport in the same way you do Hugh and dont make any kind of fuss. Admitting I find bombing transport gauling isnt a sign of cowardice. Personally i think thats the terrorists.

  58. I wasn’t implying you were a coward. Rather, I think you have a common phobia, which, although regrettably on the increase, can be overcome through rational thought, and, more important, without entailing any restriction of other people’s liberty or the stigmatisation of certain groups so that you can feel safe.

  59. I have a strong disliking for terrorists Hugh – ive been consistent about it since i was born in London. Be they Irish or Islamist or anyone else. I have no desire to restrict peoples freedom Hugh. You have a minor problem with getting details straight. And a major problem with assumption.

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