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Excellent article here by the ever-readable Kevin Myers. 

As he puts it…

“Why is the British press hiring a defeated terrorist warlord as a moral arbiter over the British Army?”

“In July 1972, two Protestant brothers from North Belfast, Peter and Malcolm Orr, went out to meet their Catholic girlfriends. They were picked up by the Provisional IRA from Ardoyne and shot dead, simply because they were Protestant. The Provisional IRA so deplored this double-murder that the brothers’ killer, “Cleekie Clarke” (who is now dead) went on to become Gerry Adams’ personal bodyguard. Those glory days, however, lay ahead: at that time Gerry Adams was merely the commander of the IRA’s 2nd battalion in Belfast. We now know that he was responsible for ordering the Bloody Friday offensive, that same July, in which nine people were killed and 130 others were injured by more than a score of IRA bombs in Belfast.

David McKittrick’s ‘Lost Lives’ quotes an eyewitness of the time:

“The first thing that caught my eye was the torso of a human being … It was recognisable as a torso because the clothes had been blown off and you could actually see parts of the human anatomy. One victim had his arms and his legs blown off and some of his body had been blown through the railings. One of the most horrific memories for me was seeing a head stuck on a wall. A couple of days later we found a vertebra and a ribcage on the roof of a nearby building. The reason we found it was because seagulls were diving on it.”

Mr Adams – terrorist warlord and Guardian approved moral guardian.

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59 thoughts on “AN IRISHMAN WRITES…

  1. I must admit I laughed at The Guardian for publishing that piece. What were they thinking? I’m a big fan of Gerry and The Peacemakers but I didn’t see the point of an analysis of the Afgan war through a Belfast prism.

  2. "Why is the British press hiring a defeated terrorist warlord as a moral arbiter over the British Army?"

    Where the Guardian’s concerned it long ago broke with its liberal, non-conformist roots. Now it’s the house journal of commies and islamists. You want to know what Moazzam Begg and Inayat Bunglawala think? Over to the Guardian you go where they’re columnists. Fidel Castro is a columnist, I kid you not. Aye, Adams is at home there.

  3. And people keep asking "what is your objection to Sinn Fein being in Government"?

    This says it all – they are nothing more than a collection of thugs, murderers and scum, from the top down. How could anyone have any respect for them?

  4. Maybe they wanted to have the perspective of a succesful politician! Obviously why they didn’t ask Jim Allister

  5. The guardian, what a rag!

    Pete, you are joking, surely? Castro writes for the guardian?

    Adams actually insists still he was never in the ira. I think he may be suffering from ‘handy cant remember syndrome’, same as marty and the ‘lads’.

    Sean, nah, they must have wanted the perspective of someone involved leading a group of lying, murdering, thieving scum, adams fits the bill well, as does machine gun marty……

  6. The Orr brothers were killed by Loyalists, not by Terrence Clarke. Maybe Myers should get his facts right before he prints something.

  7. What a fine example "Irishman" Kevin Myers is, investigative journalist my arse.

    Seamus points out the facts which discredits the article and by extension this thread.

    Why let the facts get in the way of a good rant?

  8. Daithio

    I think we have established that the brand of unionism represented here has no interest in facts

  9. Well, excuse mr Myers for not attributing the right bunch of cowardly murderers!

    We recognise facts, such as the example of the ira killing thousands.

    Also, there is the fact that your community votes for them.

    SICK.

  10. If the Orr brothers were not killed by the IRAs as Kevin Myers asserted then surely that is defamation and besmirches the good name of the IRA. The IRA should sue Myers in the Irish Court.

  11. Ill

    Sean, nah, they must have wanted the perspective of someone involved leading a group of lying, murdering, thieving scum, adams fits the bill well, as does machine gun marty……

    Then why didn’t they ask Margaret Thatcher?

  12. sean are you posting to me?

    If so, the answer to your question is probably because Thatcher never killed anyone, or robbed any banks.

  13. Cue a qick to and fro a propos the Belgrano and which direction she was sailing in, etc?

  14. Neither has Adams or Marty

    But Maggie and Marty were both leaders in organizations that did murder people, the equivalence is undeniable

  15. Seamus

    That is an important intervention. Comment is free but facts are sacred.

    According to The Sutton Index which I think all sides accept

    05 July 1972 Malcolm Orr (20) Protestant
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: non-specific Loyalist group (LOY)
    Found shot at Bell’s Cross, off road to Aldergrove Airport, County Antrim.

    05 July 1972 Peter Orr (19) Protestant
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: non-specific Loyalist group (LOY)
    Found shot at Bell’s Cross, off road to Aldergrove Airport, County Antrim.

    So when it comes to journalism it looks like Myers is in no position to lecture anybody. How could he not have checked?

  16. No, the equivalence is nonsensical.

    One led a group of criminals, murdering innocent civilians and deliberately destrying lives in pursuit of some so called cause, whilst ignoring the democratic wishes of the people of NI, they lied, stole, killed and maimed.

    Scum.

    Mrs Thatcher will always be admired because of her handling of the hunger strikes, ach, the good old days.

  17. "Comment is free but facts are sacred"

    Indeed.

    Unfortunately, more and more, the facts are absent.

    No evidence and when asked for some, or when corrected on false posts, inaccurate posts and "mis-statements" they become "uncivil." Wholescale invasions have been reported on ATW- whole countries insulted – but not a word of fact.

    Welcome to ATW and the internet in general.

    Fenian, just be glad LU has stopped claiming he has a dossier on MMcG. Turns out his evidence against the DFM, despite LU’s continual claims on here to have the goods, was a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings he had obsessively amassed over the years. I think he has been mostly ignored since that, by anyone with a titter of wit.

  18. Only for your ira scum are the good old days gone, they are now accepting British rule in this part of the UK.

    Took a while to get through, but they seen sense in the end and understood NI will remain British, no matter what they do to us, they could never break us.

  19. One led a group of criminals, murdering innocent civilians and deliberately destrying lives in pursuit of some so called cause, whilst ignoring the democratic wishes of the people of NI, they lied, stole, killed and maimed.

    British Army, UDR, B-specials and the RUC all nicely dfined if ever I heard it

  20. Pinky,

    are you going to start posting more lies?

    "Fenian, just be glad LU has stopped claiming he has a dossier on MMcG. Turns out his evidence against the DFM, despite LU’s continual claims on here to have the goods, was a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings he had obsessively amassed over the years. I think he has been mostly ignored since that, by anyone with a titter of wit"

    Please show me where I mentioned a dossier.
    Also, I dont own a scrapbook, at least not one containing anything about machine gun marty or any other lying ira scum.
    So Pinky, lets have you back up YOUR claims which are LIES.

  21. Sean,

    not even a fraction of equivalence to your murdering SCUM.

    I notice you arent man enough to admit your mistake earlier, claiming the security forces done kingsmill, instead of your ira cowards.

  22. I can only assume that poor Kevin Myers has lost the plot. A glaring ‘mistake’ in his story which null and voids any point he was trying to make.

    What a spectacle Myers makes of himself, sometimes.

  23. Seamus,

    if you cant face me in debate because you cant be a man and take being continually defeated, then please dont try and influence others, it only exacerbates your position as a troll.

    One that votes for the ira to boot!

  24. LU, you are a Troll who refuses to debate fairly. Until you decide to do so I will refuse to debate with you.

  25. Sean,

    stay in denial, wallow in your guilt.

    Who else would be armed in south armagh? The young farmers? lol

  26. Awk, wee seamus, toys out of the pram again?

    Dear me, when will you grow up?

    You need to learn not to assume or pigeon hole people to back up points, as you come undone like last time, as I didnt fit into your convenient bracket.

    Now, learn your lesson and move on.

  27. LU, are you from Northern Ireland?

    If you don’t answer it then you are simply being a Troll who doesn’t intend to debate fairly. Now stop being a dick about it and answer the question.

  28. lol, I told you, dont resort to insults.

    Learn your lesson and move on. It is none of your business where I am from.

  29. Not at all, the point I was making and still make is when you tell someone what nationality they are, or anything else personal is wrong, you simply cannot make assumptions on people and their nationality, or creed.

    I told you, I am British, and I will die British.

    Accept it and move on.

  30. LU

    The IRA did’nt have to break you, you lot managed to do that yourselves.
    Bit by bit your union is falling apart with Irish influence diluting the british presence in every aspect of life.
    20 Years ago you swore there would never be Dublin Influence in Northern affairs, we now have more that we ever imagined possible !
    20 years from now? Lets see.
    Enjoy your hate and hang on to your Euros!

  31. I’m not telling you what Nationality you are, I’m asking are you from Northern Ireland.

  32. "If the Orr brothers were not killed by the IRAs as Kevin Myers asserted then surely that is defamation and besmirches the good name of the IRA. The IRA should sue Myers in the Irish Court."

    I think the family of Terence Clarke sure as hell should.

  33. >>So when it comes to journalism it looks like Myers is in no position to lecture anybody. How could he not have checked?<<

    Myers doesn’t need to check. He was a "journalist" in NI at the time and almost certainly knew right well that it was a Loyalist double killing, but pretended it was an IRA job nonetheless.
    Myers is merely a polemicist and propagandist, but nowhere more at home than when polishing his own enormous ego.

  34. fenian,

    the union is as strong as ever and increasing its support.
    The British way of life is superseding every aspect of irish life, be it media, sport, or commerce.
    Now we have influence in Dublins affairs, and the ira have surrendered and now sit under British rule and even help to administer it!
    The rep should come into the uk, along with the rest of us and stop being stuck in the past.
    As for besmirching the ‘good name of the ira’, that is a grossly sickening comment.

    The ira have no good name, just a reputation for lies, murder and thieving.

  35. "Excellent article here by the ever-readable Kevin Myers."

    Except that he lied.

    The IRA did many terrible things so the fact that Myers attributes murders to them that he knows they did not commit is bizarre but not unsurprising (given Myers track record).

  36. LU the "United" Kingdom is as weak as it has ever been, keep living in fantasy land if you want though.

  37. Hi folks. Myers is a bit of a laughing stock in the Irish press isn’t he? People only read his stuff to see what he’s gonna spew next. He had a go at Jews serving in the British Army during WW2 recently. And who mentioned Kingsmills? I remember Reading somwhere the leader of them and those who carried out Miami showband were the same guy. English by all accounts.

  38. Yes, it must be said Myers didn’t check his facts (or he chose to lay blame where he so wished).

    These arguments against the IRA and it’s record is futile. We all know atrocities were committed by both sides. And YES both sides of the community supported these murderers either verbally, financially, emotionally or at the ballot box. That is th nature of war. Trying to say one side was morally upstanding is sanctimonious and hypocritcal. So get off your high horses and try and forget about the past and look to the future. Unionists must stop trying to make out they have the higher moral ground here – it is laughable to say the least.

    The Orr brothers were almost certainly murdered by loyalists because they had catholic girlfriends – that was their only "crime". Unionists/Loyalists of all shades have throughout the troubles revelled in these types of "killings" as it was seen to be "fighting back". Sad but true!

    When are we all going to grow up?

  39. When are we going to realise that elevating terrorist godfathers is the mark of a degenerative society, as is electing him.

  40. Billy,

    I have never revelled in innocent victims being killed for something as stupid as having a girlfriend of a different religion.
    Furthermore, the loyalists never represented me, and neve received any support.
    They offer nothing, and thankfully they have been sidelined and left behind by my community. I am hoping the same happens to the ira and the nationalist community.

  41. kevin myers forgot him-self the odd time during the recent conflict,
    once in 1988 just after the milltown attack, kevin myers said that the unarmed republicans who chased
    the armed terroist who was throwing grenades at them, was the bravest action that he ever saw,
    our joint first minister MMcG was one of those unarmed republicans who caught that armed terroist,
    kevin myers also said that any where else in the world those people would all have received medals
    for their bravery, kevin myers wanted MMcG to get a medal for his heroic actions that day.

  42. No sign this morning of Myers himself or the Irish Unionistependent retracting or apologising. Shameful!

  43. An apology to the family of Terence "Corporal Killings" Clark? i knew the people who vote for SF-IRA had no moral compass, but that really takes the biscuit. Would be funny if it wasn’t so sickening

  44. Subby

    Myers was born to an Irish emigrant family in Leicester, England, where his father was a General Practitioner.[1] He attended Ratcliffe College, a Roman Catholic independent school. Myers was accepted by University College Dublin, where he subsequently obtained a degree in History in 1969. He began to work as a journalist for RTÉ, and reported from Northern Ireland during the height of the Troubles from 1971 to 1978. In the 1980s, he covered the Lebanese Civil War, and in the 1990s the Bosnian War. Otherwise he has been based in Dublin and Liverpool. Myers is married and lives in Barretstown, Ballymore Eustace, County Kildare.

    But, he’s English, right?.

  45. Myers is one of the better columnists I’ve read anywhere.

    I don’t agree with everything he says, but the sumbitch writes well and thinks clearly.

    The fact that he picks at the scabs of some of the lazy European assumptions makes me like him all the more.

  46. The only thing entertaining about Myers is the manner in which his articles get routinely eviscerated in the letters pages of the Indo.

  47. I don’t understand how some here question Myers’ Irishness.

    James Connolly was born in Edinburgh, and Eamon de Valera was born in Manhattan.

    Those guys weren’t Irish?

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