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I don’t blame the Queen. I don’t blame President McAleese, I blame David Cameron. What for? The planned ritual humiliation of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth when she visits the Irish Republic next week.

“The trip will combine visits to historically significant sites with tourist attractions. The BBC’s royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell said the most notably symbolic event was the ceremony at the Garden of Remembrance, where all those who gave their lives in the cause of Irish freedom and stood against the Crown are commemorated. He said it was not known whether the Queen would lay a wreath.

In Dublin, the Queen will attend events at Trinity College Dublin, the National War Memorial Gardens in Islandbridge and at Croke Park stadium. The ground is the home of Gaelic football where, in 1920 during the Irish War of Independence, British forces fired into the crowd at a football match, killing 14 spectators and players.”

This is what is called rubbing  your nose in it. WHY should the Queen honour those who fought AGAINST British forces and killed them? Why should she go to Croke Park given the vehement anti-British ethos of the G.A.A.? The answer is because Cameron and his officials allow it.  Her Majesty goes where she is told. This itinerary is shameful and it is insulting to all British people that David Cameron allows it. Maybe he needs to do a u-turn over this like virtually everything else?

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46 thoughts on “THE RITUAL HUMILIATION OF THE QUEEN…

  1. After upsetting Queenie comes spurious (no win no fee) court cases for alleged human rights abuses. There’s cash to be made…..

  2. I bought a great T shirt outside the GPO last Saturday ‘No Royal Visit’. Every where I wear it people ask me where I got – one guy offered to buy it off me to send to the USA, it’s a brilliant depication of Liz 🙂 I don’t think Liz is for turning, and if she did it would spoil all the fun. There are protests planned, if she cancels there’d be nothing to moan about for RSF 😉

  3. Righto.

    The past is the past, peace is here, we live in the future ..what? a Royal visit? Taxi for Croke Park!

    Given the rudeness of it all she should refuse, of course. Those such as Kateyo up there ought to be reminded that the Queen is the embodiment of a British people which has just guaranteed a few billions in Irish debt. No gratitude required thanks, but a bit of maturity and self-awareness wouldn’t go amiss.

  4. Perhaps you can remind us how your own boycott of Croke Park has gone over the past few years David?

    Pete is Liz now ‘the embodiment of a British people’ as well as being ‘the worst Monarch ever’?

  5. I think London is well used to throwing money down a hole as it has been doing in the North for years. Just like the ROI, they’ll never see that cash again!!!

  6. David,
    I doubt it’s yours. It’s the poor old English taxpayer’s. Those poor sods have been propping up the creaking old UK for decades.

  7. I don’t see the issue here. Any major Head of State would likely be brought to Croker – Gaelic games are one of the things that make Ireland unique. (And I think you are mixing up vehemently pro-Irish with vehemently anti-British).

    On the Garden of Remembrance, it would be a little odd after all these years that the issue of our “turbulent history” was completely ignored. Don’t ya think?

  8. David seems unaware of the nefarious history British crown forces have as regards Croke Park. No surprise I suppose.
    But good to see that a freindly visit from the British head of state will help heal that rift.

  9. I am sure this will not be the first time the Queen has visited locations commemorating people who fought against British rule, and she won’t be the first or last Head of State in these situations . The whole point of State visits is that the visitor sees things often from a different point of view as befits the host nation. It is not a humiliation of the Queen at all. It’s just all part of the whole circus of International diplomacy

  10. >>WHY should the Queen honour those who fought AGAINST British forces and killed them?<<

    1. Because their cause was just and honourable.

    2. Because they brought an end to the Union that had been – apart from a total disaster for Ireland – from the British pov one major cause of annoyance, international embarrassment, parliamentary distraction, and loss of cash and occasionally British lives.

    I hope Queen Elisabeth has a great day and has time and the degree of safety to mix with the Dubliners. They will no doubt afford her all the respect due to the representative of the great British people – former enemies, now the best of friends.

    The Garden of Remembrance is a great spot for a visit: besides being pretty and well landscaped and with nice mosaics and sculpture, the square is also the site where the Irish Volunteers were founded in 1913, where the rebel survivors after the Easter Rising were herded together before being shipped off to internment and, above all, where I was born, finally dashing all British hopes of a reconquest of Ireland.

  11. Trying to create an issue out of nowhere?

    It will be a coalition of the super-British and the Sinn Phonies who will be upset if the visit goes well.

    Here’s to a highly successful visit, as history turns a page.

  12. 🙂

    So funny.

    What is going on with the Brits these days- grovelling for forgiveness all around the world?

  13. Perhaps the English should ask for their billions back from the state that couldn’t stand on its own two feet since inception?

    Bloomin nannny state! How we hate it, right?

  14. Noel

    You were born in the Garden of remembrance ?. Was that your mother’s choice or were you just in too much of a hurry to get out 😉

  15. CiaranL, MourneReg, pinky –

    Yes, money has gone mainly from England to NI. So what? It’s also swished around Wales and Scotland too.

    Parisien money will go to the south of France today, French money will go to Corsica, western German money will be channelled east.

    This is what happens among unified people in a singular state.

  16. Pinky

    The Queen will not be grovelling for forgiveness. Instead she will make a speech graciously offering to let the people of Ireland back in from the cold and into the warm bosom of her Sovereign embrace, and the Irish people as one will reply

    “Thank you your majesty. We never really liked this independent lark. We were so much happier even though we grumbled when we were your grandfather’s loyal subjects, and we are thrilled that you have allowed us back into the Empire on which the sun should never set” 🙂

  17. I’m slightly sympathetic to Pete on this one. If the Queen goes to Croke Park she will have to apologise for Bloody Sunday so clearly that is the plan. In Cork she will have to mention the burning of the city by the Black and Tans plus the murder of the Lord Mayor Thomas McCurtain.

    I’m not surprised that Sinn Fein have decided to scale back the protests. This is propaganda gold. So why are the British doing it? She could have gone to plenty of other places and not been so specific.

    When the visit was announced I called for all kinds of apologies. But I din’t think they would be forthcoming. So what are the devious feckers up to now? Is it to isolate the Unionists?

  18. Mr M –

    Pete is Liz now ‘the embodiment of a British people’ as well as being ‘the worst Monarch ever’?

    Yes, she is both.

  19. Hard to imagine one worse.

    At the least, the deterioration in spirit, backbone, modesty, gentleness and civility is astonishing swift.

  20. absolutely. Have to feel for those Southern Unionists who have been frothing at the mouth for the visit but view the War of Independence as being a terrorist campaign. They wont know what to think.

  21. The queen is an arch-traitor. She signed away British sovereignty on request and if she were asked to sign away NI, she would do so. Do any loyalists here doubt that?

  22. So old Lizzie, the Head of State of the country that gave us the Penal Laws, the sacking of Drogheda, the burning of Cork, Bloody Sunday & Internment, is going to visit a place of reverence to those who fought for the freedom of Ireland and the uber unionists are frothing at the mouth?

    If the past is in the past then she, (and others), shouldn’t have a problem with that eh Pete? Such a pity that that the lauded political maturity of the Irish State, so gushingly spoke about when the old woman’s visit was provosionally, (pardon the pun), announced, isn’t a two way street.

    And yes, let Britain recall the seven billion quid loan to the Irish Gov early although Ireland being Britain’s biggest export market, to the tune of some two billion quid per annum, I don’t think that the Brit Exchequer would think it a good economic move.

    “Above all, where I was born, finally dashing all British hopes of a reconquest of Ireland”

    Nothing like a modest North inner – city Dub Noel 🙂

  23. Paul McMahon –

    And yes, let Britain recall the seven billion quid loan to the Irish Gov early although Ireland being Britain’s biggest export market, to the tune of some two billion quid per annum …

    What?

    We export more than that to the US in a week.

  24. Every foreign Head of State pays their respects those who died for Irish freedom. Why do you want special treatment for aul Lizzie?

  25. De Valera paid his respects to the German embassy in Dublin when news came through of the death of the Fuhrer.

  26. Colm,
    the thing is that the Queen and her family are simply pawns-
    used by the government of the day in whatever way they think best suits their needs.
    The sad thing is that she can’t simply walk away, but I would be very surprised if she isn’t aware that she is a puppet..
    It IS all a charade, there is no real consultation of the people, only an unseemly contest every few years by the politicians eager to get their go at the controls, in the full knowledge that THEY won’t have to pay the consequences.

  27. For Sassenachs (Sassenaigh?) like you, Colm, the Garden of Remembrance is, formerly, part of the grounds of the Rotunda hosptial. I saw the grey light of day for the first time about 15 feet from the Garden.

  28. Jack

    Yes, it’s fair to say that the Irish Free State was “neutral on the side of Britain”. But the condolences on the death of Hitler was an unbelievable blunder, especially since there had been none to the US embassy on the death of FDR a month earlier.

  29. No. He shouldn’t have done it. But there were specific reasons that he did what he did. The maintaining of neutrality (he signed a book of condolences when FDR (effectively the leader of the Allies) died so signing one when the leader of the Axis dies was to show Irish neutrality) and also to piss off Churchill.

    I don’t see what this has to do with the Queen of England having to do what every other foreign Head of State who visits the Republic has to do.

  30. Seamus –

    Heads of State going to the US are not dragged along to Yorktown or Gettysburg. When Merkel goes to Russia she is not obliged to go to Stalingrad.

    It’s time the Irish psyche moved on.

  31. It doesn’t matter what the do in other countries. In Ireland when a foreign Head of State visits they visit the Garden of Remembrance. That some people don’t want the Queen to follow that protocol is nothing more than anti-Irish bigotry.

  32. The Queen is fine with it.

    The British government is fine with it.

    The British people don’t appear to have the slightest issue with it.

    There is no problem lads, and events have moved much further in a positive direction that some of us think.

    Again, have a swell visit.

  33. If she goes she has to follow the protocol of course. I’m just not sure what the point of her going is. republicans won’t be impressed. The British people in general couldn’t care less. I can’t help thinking this is aimed at Unionists. If the Queen can lay a wreath to the IRA then a lot of their objections to Sinn Fein are going to be undermined.

    It is saying the past is the past so get on with the future. There are strong indications that Cameron is completely signed up to the agenda of the peace process. He was outstanding in his response to the Bloody Sunday report, he was skilled in his handling of the Adams resignation (outstanding political mis-direction) and now this.

    That is a very pleasant surprise

  34. Interesting, Henry. When you think about it, even if the organisers thought some gesture of atonement for past sins would be in order, there are plenty of more likely venues, as you suggested. A visit to the Famine Memorial on the quays

    http://bluebuttsheep.com/ireland/dublin/famine-memorial/

    would be both easier to organise and entirely non-partisan and uncontentious.
    The Garden of Remembrance on the other hand positively radiates Irish Republicanism and militant resistance to Britain (you can actually see the SF headquarters in . It really does look like a gesture of final reconciliation between Britain and Republicanism, and the only place that is relevant today is in the North.

    Savin’ ye’ kindly, ma’am!

  35. 2nd try:

    Interesting, Henry. When you think about it, even if the organisers thought some gesture of atonement for past sins would be in order, there are plenty of more likely venues, as you suggested. A visit to the Famine Memorial on the quays

    http://bluebuttsheep.com/ireland/dublin/famine-memorial/

    would be both easier to organise and entirely non-partisan and uncontentious.
    The Garden of Remembrance on the other hand positively radiates Irish Republicanism and militant resistance to Britain (also: the SF headquarters in Kevin Barry Hall is literally just a few feet away 🙂 ). It really does look like a gesture of final reconciliation between Britain and Republicanism, and the only place that is relevant today is in the North.

    Savin’ ye’ kindly, ma’am!

  36. The Queen has visited Alington National Military Cemetary in Washington DC, a town her Majesty’s predecessor’s forces burned during the War of 1812. It is time the Moore psyche moved on.

  37. Slight correction, should read “Ireland being Britain’s biggest European export market”

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