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OBL or as I liked to call him, Hasan Ben Sober is Dead Hurrah. As a lot of you know I believed he was killed in the beginning of this war back in the bombing of Tora Bora. Well at least we know he is dead now. Even without proof being displayed, when you see things like the Head Imam of the Al-Aqsa Martyr Mosque demanding revenge on the west, you know he’s dead. By the way that Imam represents the people Cameron is demanding deserve their own state.

All in all the operation was a 90% success, I would say 100% except that we left behind large pieces of one of our new stealth helicopters. It seems the Pakies have already sold the pieces to the Chicoms. As usual the operation performed by the Seals even with the crashed copter was a delightful act of excellence.

So after what can only be called a success, the dealing with a successful military mission is beyond this administrations ability.  Obama had an opportunity to actually have a PR issue that crossed all political lines, but once again his incompetence shines through.  His kowtowing to the Enemy in an attempt not to offend has offended half the U.S. created doubt that we actually got him, and offended half the Muslim world by giving the non-violent Muslims in the world a slap in the face by giving him a religious funeral.  Now mind you this is the same administration that has shown no hesitation to offending it’s own citizens: FLASHBACK: Obama planned release 2,000 pix of prisoner abuse…
 and FLASHBACK: Obama lifts photo ban on U.S. military coffins…  As more and more time goes by Obama’s gross incompetance at management becomes more and more apparent. Obama has gone as far as to even show phoney pictures of OBLs death to our own Senators: UPDATE: Photo proving bin Laden's death to Sen. Brown was faked... Possibly three senators fell for fakes....

It has even come out that the pic that the WH released of all the "Brain Trust" watching the attack in the situation room was staged because the satelight was out of position during the raid, so the 25minutes of the actual fire fight wasn't broadcast and they couldn't have been watching it.

The damage this administration has done, and continues to do to the U.S. grows greater and greater every day. Well only about 18mths until this

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  1. Obama has gone as far as to even show phoney pictures of OBLs death to our owen Senators:

    Troll, you are an idiot. The story does not say anything about Obama showing phoney photos to Sen Brown. It says that a fake photo “made the rounds”. In other words it was the usual sort of garbage that gets faked and passed around the internet and is only believed by brain dead right wing idiots like you.

  2. Troll

    Your link does clearly state that Brown was not shown any photos by the administration. As far as the situation room photo, did anyone ever say it was during the shooting? All I’ve seen is that it was at some point during the operation.

  3. ok you terror loving fuck, so a senator that gets a briefing from the whithouse who doesn’t get shown the photo by them. Who do you think he assked to get him the photo?

    Obviously someone that had access. He is a senator, not a reporter, and the source was secure enough that his first statements were he saw the pix. “I have seen the pictures. I’ve received the briefings. I’ve spoken to the operational leaders and I can tell you for a fact that he is dead,” Brown said in an interview with WBZ Wednesday morning. He repeated that point to other news outlets as part of his argument that the images should not be released. But Brown is now telling media outlets that “the photo that I saw and that a lot of other people saw is not authentic.” His office would not say who showed the senator the fake photographs.

    so you obviously know who showed him what. What is your source? It’s obvious that the Senate was shown photos, so I guess some right wing kook snuck into the senate with fake photos.

    Only assholes like you can believe that.

  4. the point of the links are to show the incompetance of the obama administrations handling of the whole affair. Assholes like Fewsorange can do their little faggot song and dance all they want. The incompetence of this administration is on display for the world to see

  5. Obama has handled this affair with a deep competence. It’s driving you boys crazy.

    Tough luck.

  6. OBL at the bottom of the Arabian Sea

    Obama authorized the mission, the SEALS carried it out, and there’s not much else to talk about.

  7. ok you terror loving fuck,

    Why, because I pointed out that you can’t even read the story you linked to.

  8. oh bullshit, I am sick and tired of little faggots like fewsorange who really have nothing to say about the post but just comment with “oh it came from rightworld so it’s bullshit”

    If you don’t put links, you made it up, if you put links you read them wrong. If I’m going to blasted by deucebags I’m going to blast back.

    or are you suggesting that I should just delete irrelevent comments?

  9. Senator Brown just doesn’t want to admit he was fooled by an internet fake.


    “On the Fox 25 Morning News during a live, satellite interview from Washington, Sen. Brown told our Gene Lavanchy, “Listen, I’ve seen the picture. He’s definitely dead.”

    Well, hours later, we received a call from Brown’s press secretary, telling us the picture Brown saw wasn’t in fact real at all. I asked for another interview, but his office would only release a statement:
    “The photo that I saw and that a lot of other people saw is not authentic.”

    His press secretary, Colin Reed, does say the picture had been “widely circulated around town,” then sent us a link to a news story about a fake photo of bin Laden that has gone viral on the internet.

    I asked Reed if the photo the Senator saw was on the internet, or was it sent to him? Reed responded he just had no more information for me.”

  10. OBL at the bottom of the sea, Gee I didn’t know Obama was part of seal team 6.

    Obama authorized the mission, the SEALS carried it out, and there’s not much else to talk about.

    better keep up on the news, two stories today have come out that they have known where hed was since august, and everytime pannetta tried to get the ok Obama denied under the advice of valerie jarret. even the night before when he had to sleep on it for 16hrs jarret talked him out of it. Clinton and pannetta forced his hand and had to puill him off the golf course to tell him the op was underfway

  11. You would have crucified him if the mission had gone wrong, the way Carter was forever tainted by the failed Iran hostage rescue.

    So be fair – give him credit for ordering this.

    Who is your source for the above?

    Yes, we know that they knew he was there for some time. But shouldn’t they wait until they feel it is the right time? Or should they just barge in as soon as they think they know he is at a particular location?

  12. White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obam Part of channel(s): Death of Osama bin Laden (current event)
    “What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound.”

    Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and More..intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.

    Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
    A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

    I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

    Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
    A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

    What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

    This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

    At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

    In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LKzso917

  13. He saw it on the internet and is embarrassed to admit he was fooled.

  14. Looks like Senator Brown isn’t the only one who gets fooled by rubbish on the internet.

  15. it is you who can’t read, think, or put forth a valued argument of any kind.

    I call myself Troll, but you are one.

  16. Apart from the ungentlemanly insults being thrown around on this thread,
    one thing is sure.
    This administration would appear to have dealt with the death/disappearance of Osama Bin Laden in the most inept, confidence destroying way possible.
    The question Americans should be asking is WHY?
    Is it part of the POTUS’s
    YES, WE CAN!

    “f*** it up
    F*** YOU up
    Humiliate America
    whilst really P****ing off the whole Muslim world”

    are they really so INCOMPETENT that they just got it wrong?

    Sorry Americans,
    but your current President is either being deliberately set up to fail by others,
    or really is so naive, and so anxious not to offend the Muslim world,
    that he has ended up doing exactly that.

    I know what I think, but then you would accuse me of joining Allan’s gang…

  17. The ‘killing’ of a long-dead bin Laden seems to be working. In the past few days, there has been no mention of the fake birth certificate and in recent developments the US, England and France have declared a so-called NATO war against Libya. They have frozen $32 billion held in trust by the US in the US. That is the largest amount ever held by the US concerning a foreign country’s assets. The three countries want to confiscate Libya’s oil, central banks and their 484.5 tons of gold, plus the Libyan funds held by other countries – and that requires the head of state to be dead a la Czar.

    Btw, now that it has been confirmed that the motley White House crew weren’t watching live-feed of the ‘attack’, what were they watching in that picture? I reckon it was an episode of 24 because of Hillary’s gasp, though it could have been The West Wing.

  18. I do apologize for calling you a terror loving fuck, your just a fuck

  19. Troll – in the spirit of you get what you pay for, I am afraid that your analysis is overpriced at 2 cents. You have misread or misunderstood the Internet photo as well as the situtation room picture.

    And your level of anger is innappropiate just because someone pointed this out to you.

  20. he is both naive and incompetent, and I appologize for my language. I have just had enough of idiots like FO.

    from now on I will just respond to him by his initials and what the mean here in the US….. FO

  21. OK what was the purpose of the situation room photo other than to give the perception that they were watching the OP live? Which by the way now they say they had tech failure for the main 25 min of the op?

    And nowhere in any of those articles does it say the senators got the pix they looked at from the internet. Even in the retraction Brown refuses to state who showed it to him.

    It is nothing but bile trying to neyney my views, no evidence that shows I am wrong

  22. as for my anger I am sick and tired of the petty little game that to many on this blog have resorted to.

    The attacks on me and Patty are never made by posting links or proof that refute what we say, they are primarilly personal attacks against Patty, and just dissmisal against mine.

  23. Troll,
    You are a patriot through and through.
    Nothing wrong with that
    and quite a lot to admire.
    Like the rest of us you get it wrong sometimes.
    No big deal.
    The free world needs a strong America,
    we need a country which inspires
    and holds on to the values which made it a great country.

    Your present administration seems (and I say that reluctantly)
    to be hell bent on destroying the trust and confidence of the Americans in their own abilities
    as well as undermining the rest of the world’s respect for the remaining super power.
    Frankly, the last decent President you had was Ronald Reagan.
    Barack Obama is either being ganged up on by those who want him to fail,
    or he wants to cripple America as a world power.

    But my dear,
    We in Britain have our own problems,
    Oy Veh, do we …

  24. I never for one moment thought that the SEALs were televising the event.

    In the old days, people used to sit together and ” watch the radio ”

    In such a high stakes event like that of a few days ago, it makes complete sense that they would sit together and wait until the news of success or radio was radioed in.

  25. and your source for this insight is what? Do you also have a source for the other v3 senators that were duped by a fake photo offered to the senators?

  26. And from the other story you linked to.

    When asked how he, a high-ranking member of the Intelligence committee, could have fallen for photos that might not be authentic, Chambliss replied, “I was shown a photo by an individual that was represented to me as a picture of bin Laden after he’s been shot that appeared to be an accurate photo. It was not an official photo.” He said the person who shared the electronic photo with him was not an administration official.

  27. well then your dense, because they do broadcast live feed from their headcams. they have for several decades.

    the feed is sent over the same satilight lines that they use to pilot the drones from nellis and langly halfway accros the world in realtime

  28. People constantly post links and proof that refutes what you both say. Perhaps if you both came at the news of the day from a more balanced perspective you wouldn’t fall for (or promote) obvious errors.

  29. yeah show me links on my posts that prove me wrong, your fooling yourself mahons

    I can point out 100s of addhominim attacks, I’ll bet you can’t find 5 links on all my posts showing my facts to be in error

  30. Patty has made many errors in fact, and has completely misinterpreted evidence that she has submitted – and then gets all nasty when it has been pointed out. This ruins the soup for everyone.

  31. Phantom –

    In such a high stakes event like that of a few days ago, it makes complete sense that they would sit together and wait until the news of success or radio was radioed in.

    So why is everyone fixed on the same wall?

    Is that where the radio is?

  32. Troll

    There is no such thing as an irrelevent comment. Just embarrassing ones.

  33. Allan

    They might have been watching that video you posted about the faking of the birth certificate copy 😉

  34. and once again I ask where do you get the info that it was one of the internet photos?

    They aren’t saying who went around the senate showing the faked pic to the senators, WHY?

    Embarresment, becouse they were the internet photos, or anger because a someone who they trusted who can go to any senator with a photo with the access to have the real photo suckered them with as fake.

    You want to make this into a rightworld thing when it is obviousd that astleast 4 senators were shown photos in thier offices that the trusted to be real

  35. Mahons – I recently asserted that the birth certificate issued by the White House is a forgery and I attached links to videos which supported the assertion. You then attacked me yet, when I asked if you had watched the videos to which I had posted links, you wrote that you had not watched the videos and would refuse to do so. Exactly what is the point of you being here if you refuse to debate?

  36. and your source for this insight is what? Do you also have a source for the other v3 senators that were duped by a fake photo offered to the senators?

    Yes. From the story you linked to (and which you obviously either didn’t read or didn’t understand)

    “A staffer added that the Wrentham Republican obtained the photo from what he believed to be “a reliable source.” The staffer said Brown was briefed on the raid by Obama administration officials, but those officials did not show him any pictures.”

    The story itself said the pictures did not come from the administration.

  37. Troll,

    Apparently, you can’t even read.

    This is disgraceful- I hope the DUPers who troll this site are not walking around polling stations with a copy of this nonsense from Troll.

  38. Agit8ed –

    Sorry Americans,but your current President is either being deliberately set up to fail by others,or really is so naive, and so anxious not to offend the Muslim world


    They had to get bin Laden in the drink in accordance with islam? They left three others on the patio. Most muslims the US has killed in the last ten years they’ve left for the jackals. This 24-hour burial rule is BS, like most of the stuff they’d put out.

    Now, as a founder member of the thinking community in these here parts let me tell everyone why there’s no photo …..

    Because he was shot at point blank range in the back of the head.

    Hasn’t anyone cottoned on yet? If he (whoever “he” is) was shot in the face there’d be a small entry wound and the back of the head would be blown out. However, we’re told the front of the head is blown out. It’s blindingly obvious that a chest wound put him down (you go for centre of mass) before he was dragged up and dispatched for good in the back of the head.

    There is no photo because not because of muslim sentiment but because of NYT sentiment.

    No need to thank me for clearing that up.

    – Pete Sherlock Moore

  39. Troll

    Anyone can find links on the internet that ‘proves their facts’ – The internet is a vast bottomless pit of the good the bad and the ugly – Why not just view the comments thread as I do, as a forum for everyones OPINIONS , not a display of courtroom evidence exhibits.

  40. From the story I linked to above.

    His press secretary, Colin Reed, does say the picture had been “widely circulated around town,” then sent us a link to a news story about a fake photo of bin Laden that has gone viral on the internet.

  41. I debate all the time here (perhaps you’ve seen some of my work). However, I don’t feel the need to engage everyone’s arguments all the time. This is especially true when dealing with a confirmed nutcase, because that isn’t debate, it is chaos. Sometimes, and in your case quite often, I don’t wish to dignify the person’s allegations.

  42. true, which is why I don’t delete anything, over the years when I have made mistakes I have admitted them, and they have been few and far between.

    I’m sick of the lack of real arguments

  43. I don’t care where or how he was shot.

    And he was put in the drink to keep the fundies from worshiping the site of the dead body. There couldn’t be an Osama tomb any more than there could be a Hitler grave. It would attract every hate filled criminal in the world.

  44. Because the federal government lied. The deliberate impression given was that Obama was in control, fully in contact, directly linked to the action, the Big Man Doing Big Manly Things.

    But it was bollocks. It’s yet another lie from a bunch of pathological liars.

    Stop listening to them, make up your own mind.

  45. Mahons you have never done anything but argue your points with me in an intelligent manner, and I am honestly offended that you consider me a nutcase.

  46. Well thankyou Sherlock!
    Just look at the emotions this whole thing has stirred up!

    if Obama wanted Osama dead
    but didn’t want to offend the Muslim world
    by gloating -fair enough.
    So as LU would say, the operation
    would have been rehearsed over and over again
    to allow it to appear that Osama died a warrior’s death;
    but die he did,
    and here’s the evidence – Ta Daaah!

    But this is a nightmare!
    Not only have we managed to enrage the Muslims,
    we haven’t even convinced our own people that Osama is
    really dead.
    Nice one.. 😉

  47. You have no way of knowing this.

    And you’ve already ” made up your mind ” that in all cases the government is doing nefarious things 24/7. That, sir, is a completely silly world view which by definition precludes the possibility that the men and women who work in public service may every blue moon try to do the people’s business.

    Taking care of OBL was the people’s business and good on all who played a hand in it, including President Obama, and yes, before him, the somewhat underestimated President Bush.

  48. that’s a nondenial denial, and a deflection to what was known as a fake story. nowhere does it say that was the source, as a matter of fact it states in both articles that the picture came from what the senator considered to be a reliable source. Do you believe all 4 senators believed a bullshit story on the internet as the reliable source?

  49. Mahons – the birth certificate is a fake, and that’s why the long-dead bin Laden was ‘killed’.

  50. they can’t it doesn’t fit their view that those of us that point out the incompetence of this bunch are the crazies

  51. Dr Paul Craig Roberts puts it this way with which I agree bar the last sentence:

    When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged “discrepancies” that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex.

    There is no doubt that the US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly killed bin Laden instead of capturing him. But who can believe that the US would quickly dispose of the evidence that bin Laden had been terminated? The government’s story is not believable that the government dumped the proof of its success into the ocean, but has some photos that might be released, someday.

    As one reader put it in an email to me: “What is really alarming is the increasingly arrogant sloppiness of these lies, as though the government has become so profoundly confident of their ability to deceive people that they make virtually no effort to even appear credible.”


    Dr Roberts is wrong about the ability of the government to deceive people. From what I see on this site where the ‘birth certificate’ and OBL are concerned, people are very willing to be deceived or even to attempt to support the deception, particularly Phantom and Mahons.

  52. No. Probably only the first person who got the photo. He then passed it off as the real thing to others.

    Both stories that you linked to mentioned that the picture did not come from Administration sources.

  53. Agit*ed

    A few kookalamungas swinging from the fruit trees aren’t convinced that OBL is dead.

    They’re not important.

  54. true, but nowhere does it say where it did come from, and you have to accept that Senators would only accept the pic they saw if it was shown to them by someone who would have access to the real thing

  55. obviously the administration feel they are important enough as to not offend them by providing proof

  56. but nowhere does it say where it did come from

    Correct, and you are never going to find out where it came from because the person who first got it doesn’t want to admit that they’re an idiot.

  57. The kooks deserve the back of the hand and nothing more. This stuff is getting old.

    I took the RedEye back East and am at work now. President Obama’s helicopter just arrived by Wall Street.

  58. Phantom,
    This is an unwarranted insult Sir!
    I come from a very long and noble line of kookalamungas. We came over with the Fenians..
    You’ll be hearing from my solicitor VERY soon..
    Where IS Mahons when you need him… 😉

  59. Well,
    can someone tell him he’s got the chance of a big case when he gets back.
    An epic, even.
    Could make a real name for himself.

    Phantom versus A Git 8ed…
    Oh, hang on a minute though!
    I think there may be a conflict of interest…..

  60. Going to Cyclones games is fun, we usually go to one game each season. Way cheaper than the major leagues and a lot closer to the action.

  61. At 2011.05.05 15:25, Phantom said:

    “I want to sue Troll, but only if I gets me some punitive damages.”

    He can offer a very desirable Lincoln Dinosaur as collateral
    a little black book of very reliable sauces..
    Mmm Mmmmmh 😉

  62. Troll – for the record, I do not consider you a nutcase (which may however bring into question my sanity). My comment was directed at Allan.

  63. at least I post somekind of info to back up some of the points I’m making.

    That’s a hell of a lot more than you have done.

  64. because I am attacked as if I am in a court room. If I have to provide sources for my opinions those who refute them have to provide links to disprove

  65. “at least I post somekind of info to back up some of the points I’m making.

    That’s a hell of a lot more than you have done.”

    And that one’s for?!

  66. come on Phanton not the body double go down and invite him out for a beer, maybe will get the 13th version of what happened

  67. trying to take the food out of my poor childrens mouths…. shame on you

  68. ahh you don’t like my sauce? That’s because where I come from spaghetti sauce is called gravy

  69. That phrase is only used by Italian American Communists.

    They really do call it ” gravy ”

    Never understood that!

  70. Oh No Hillary’s gasp was because the video they were watching inadvertently included footage of Bill and Osama in a homosexually charged image.

  71. Troll

    We need to have the Troll summit.

    I volunteer to have mahons drive down to PA to pick up you and Monica for some cocktails in the Big Apple.

  72. once this site starts hiding comments, it places some comments at the bottom. to see them in context you have to click the link to show old comments

  73. Oh, okay.
    I thought for a second
    you were getting personal.
    As a commentator I do breadth,
    not depth.
    Depth is too controversial
    People get all hot under the collar
    and start wanting to
    scratch each other’s eyes out.

    But you wouldn’t know anything about that….

  74. >>Oh No Hillary’s gasp was because the video they were watching inadvertently included footage of Bill and Osama in a homosexually charged image.<<

    I also thought that scrambled photo on the table showed a lot of naked flesh.

  75. ‘ the absence of any evidence that […] a raid even took place. ‘

    Given that you can barely turn on the news or open a newspaper without coming across SOME evidence that a raid took place, and no evidence to the contrary, this just goes to show how daft these conspiracy nuts really are. They’ll deny anything. It’s like they can’t help themselves.

  76. I don’t agree with you Phantom.

    You can’t handle a dissenting opinion, Phantom. When faced with someone like me – claiming that perhaps Palin isn’t stupid, that perhaps Krugman’s Keynsian ecomonomic theories are stupid, that Obama has driven up the deficit into the trillions and I don’t think it can be entirely put off on Bush – etc. – when faced with this – you go nuts. You call me a “zombie” etc.

    My big “lie” according to you and the other Left wing on this site is the econmomic graph showing the deficit – by putting it in Obama’s column you think I’m “lying.” I think it’s open to dispute – but I don’t anticipate any intelligence forthcoming from you on the matter.

    My other big “lie” – the one Pinky has her teeth in – is the fact that I posted a story I got off of memorandum regarding a Mexican murder of a rancher in Laredo – it never happened and I later corrected my story when I was sure that it didn’t happen.

    You, Phantom, can’t handle the truth.

  77. Thanks a lot, Troll for agreeing with Phantom that I’m a no good s-o-b. (sarc.)

    Do you really believe that? I’m not sure that I want to be in any fox hole with you.

  78. It’s not a disgrace, Pinky. Why can’t you just tamp down a bit on the hyperbole. Everything becomes a spittling match whenever you show up.

  79. Serious question – I don’t have time to go through all the dish throwing above, so forgive me if it’s already been covered – I am curious – i don’t know and would appreciate info. if anyone else knows:

    In the situation room photo, we now know that they weren’t looking at the event unfold – so what were they looking at?

  80. Troll: the gist of your post is spot-on — great that OBL is no longer with us. bad that the Obama Administration seems to be intent on bumbling the aftermath.

    regarding your sad need to bond with Phantom and Mahons over beer – it’s just sad. Change your blog handle – you are morphing from Fearless Troll to Needy Goat. 🙂

  81. Patty
    where did I say you were a no good SOB, I stated that you and I are the brunt of bullshit attacks that are personal based never fact based.

    If I didn’t defend you somewhere on this thread it’s because I’ve been to busy holding a one man front against every wretch on here

  82. Rather than me posting a number of links to different sites on the matter, and the manner of the death of OBL, I recommend clicking the link to the Drudge report posted below.

    Some of the items bring the twists and turns of the Administation into perspective, and there are pictures of dead bodies from ‘the compound’.

    One that caught my eye was that invites to the families of the dead 9/11 firefighters were sent by email! – now just how classy is that?


    Another one – that of those killed, only one was armed! – now how amazing is that?

    I neither believe or disbelieve any of it, but boy! the only certain thing is that the PR on this event has been one almighty screw-up!

  83. I guess they’re watching Obama’s poll numbers after the miniscule bump wears off.

  84. no FO you stated they were viewing internet pictures, not picture they recieved from anywhere else.

    no where in my linked stories did they say they were shown the internet pics by the trusted source. Browns office pointing to the internet fakes still didn’t say that’s what he was shown.

    You attacked me with the first comment without even reading the links the post wasn’t up long enough for you to read them, when you commented.

    your just a bitter twit

  85. Of course I read the links as is obvious from the fact that I commented on the content of the story that you linked to.

    The story does not say anything about Obama showing phoney photos to Sen Brown. It says that a fake photo “made the rounds”.

  86. This thread is a perfect example of how the distortion of lineality caused by the use of the reply button causes great confusion with cooments appearing out of place depending on the position of the replies and new comments. I really wish that facility was not there and under every post each and every comment simply appeared chronologically as before. Can this not be arranged ?

  87. Second that Ernest.
    It is getting more difficult to follow the ebb and flow of debate /mud wrestling/ cat fighting / New Speak etc..

  88. No FO, this is what you wrote: Troll, you are an idiot. The story does not say anything about Obama showing phoney photos to Sen Brown. It says that a fake photo “made the rounds”. In other words it was the usual sort of garbage that gets faked and passed around the internet and is only believed by brain dead right wing idiots like you.”

    the articles nowhere said they saw them on the internet they said they were shown a photo from a trusted source. Your an ass, your wrong, your insulting, and your not man enough to be honest. Grow a set of balls and act like a man. You don’t care nothing about honesty. You haven’t got balls enough to say when something is just your opinion, and you add nothing to the debate except bile.

  89. the fact that this platform hides comments when a thread reaches 50 makes it even worse

  90. I always assumed they were waiting to find out the result of the operation, not watching it live. And as far as Brown’s pictures, you’re right that it does not say he saw it on the internet. However, it also says that the administration did not show him any pictures.

  91. And not for the first time either!

    I’d recount all the times, but I’d wear out my keyboard, reduce my fingers to bloody stubs with all that typing, and crash the ATW server with the vast amount of data!


  92. The anti Obama forces are ” stuck on stupid “. This is a really important issue for them. I am quite amazed, and disappointed at them.

    It is important that Obama have a principled opposition, but here his opposition is a bunch of clowns thinking about birth certificates and photographs. They’re setting the stage for an Obama re-election. If that’s to be seen as a bad thing, it will largely be the fault of the anti Obama nutnicks including the types seen here.

  93. your a fool, if you can’t even admit the incompetence in which he has handled what should have been a victory for him, and a feather in his cap.

  94. The American people know what happened, and no amount of Republican / ” Tea Party ” talking points nonsense will change that.

    This was a high risk/high reward strategy by the Obama Administration, one which has simultaneously

    Given justice to the mastermind of 9/11

    Decapitated Al Queda

    Shone a very bright light on the duplicity of the Pakistan regime and military

    All necessary acts

    I still disagree with Obama on a number of things, but this action has been a complete success for the country and its long term policies as respects anti terrorism and South Asia strategy

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