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COMINGS AND GOINGS…..

By ATWadmin On May 9th, 2007

Yesterday was a strange day. We had the world’s media over here in Northern Ireland, feasting on the new political arrangement which provides power-sharing for terrorists. Not sure if the media picked up on the fact that IRA/Sinn Fein had invited Palestinians, Basque separatists and Colombian agitators to the affair. At least Al Queda weren’t present but since this is the first western administration that contains terrorists, maybe they’ll get an invite – the City airport is nearby. I have to say I found the entire event to be a distasteful pantomime and the fall of the DUP into the mire is complete. Martin and Ian are welcome to the mess of pottage at Stormont.


We have also discovered that cyber troll “Sean” has set up a site which steals copy from ATW and then allows a small band of IRA sympathisers to comment. Big deal. I have more things to concern myself than with the pathetic attempts of sick individuals. Those such as Chris Gaskin and Phantom should know better than to inhabit such a sewer, but seeing as how Chris links it to his own site, maybe he should now consider ATW off-limits. Those who used my fathers death on Sean’s sick site to attack me are literally the scum of the earth. Can I ask ALL ATW readers to refrain from any further debate with these mentally ill people?


On a much more positive front, I can confirm that we have a new addition to the ATW team! Yes, I a delighted that Ranting Stan will be posting here as and when the muse takes him. Stan runs a really well written site and I think he will add a lot to ATW. Welcome on board Stan – and I’m sure the rest of the team will join with me in wishing you every best wish over here!

94 Responses to “COMINGS AND GOINGS…..”

  1. Welcome Stan – a nice touch to use John Clare!

  2. >>Those who used my fathers death on Sean’s sick site to attack me are literally the scum of the earth.<<

    Hear, hear.
    I agreed with some of what Sean said on ATW, but this site is bad form.

    Having said that, I think ATW posts should always be open to comment. If someone wants to have a self-indulgent monologue, he should go elsewhere.

  3. David – I have nno time for Sean, but in respect of Chris and his site have you read some of the comments made on Balrog – while you were away – on the thread about the death of Michael McAnespie in a farm accident ? To be fair, SBK and Andrew have a prominent role in this.

  4. MR, you – very uncharacteristically – missed a wide open goal over at Sean’s site, when he claimed that "riotious behaviour" is terrorism and you could have slammed it in that this includes all the victims on Bloody Sunday.
    I’m almost disappointed in you!

  5. The genesis of Seáns site rests of course with the decision by the Mr Hyde of ATW to flaunt his moral cowardice by going into self indulgent lengthy diatribe and not allowing anyone to challange his rantings.

    "Those such as Chris Gaskin and Phantom should know better than to inhabit such a sewer, but seeing as how Chris links it to his own site, maybe he should now consider ATW off-limits"

    I enjoy debating on ATW with people who, for the most part, have political views diametrically opposed to my own. I also enjoy freedom of speech & freedom of choice and quite probably will comment on Seáns site at sometime in the future. What you have said above David sounds suspiciously like an ultimatum, if so, [and I absolutely stand open to being corrected], it’s a bad idea.

    "Those who used my fathers death on Sean’s sick site to attack me are literally the scum of the earth"

    Agreed 110%

  6. Noel – I was merely pointing out that he was incorrect to claim that Paisley has terrorist convictions.. For the record – none of those killed on Bloody Sunday were charged with riotous assembly that day!

  7. Mad,

    No, I haven’t. But to link to a site which scores points of me following my Dad’s death is very poor judgement.

  8. Ranting Stan: "IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR BALANCED, NON-JUDGEMENTAL, POLITICALLY CORRECT OPINION AND COMMENT – YOU ARE DEFINITELY IN THE WRONG PLACE!"

    David Vance: "Politically middle of the road, keen on a liberal lifestyle and casually relaxed about militant Islam – these are all terms that don’t really apply to me!"

    Welcome, Stan–or David cloned? :0)

  9. David – I have no time for Sean but you need to read Balrog to see what happened while you were away.

  10. Have’nt heard anything about the Basque, Palestinian, Columbian invites could elaborate David and reveal your source?.

  11. Paul,

    Hi. Martin McGuinness made reference to them in his appalling speech. Mind you, who believes what he says! 🙂

  12. ‘ve just read that exchange on Balrog on the occasion of McAnespie’s death, and it really is disgusting.

    SBK, but much more so Andrew should hang their heads in shame.

    Shutting down comments on ATW, but then going elsewhere to post his own anal-fixation comments is pathetic.

  13. Took a look at sean’s site yesterday. He should have shortened the name to The Pimp, because all he has on offer are other people’s goods. It has got to be the stupidest site on the internet, what a pathetic unoriginal vile little man.

  14. David, the site in question is a joke and that’s all there is to it, and can I just say that anyone who would use your father’s death as a sideswipe is nothing more than a gutless slug.
    However, as much as I enjoy the debates and differing opinions here, I think Andrew and his witless ravings discredit ATW. I don’t bother reading him any longer, but others do and get suitably riled by his invective(which is what he wants) The fact that he has closed comments and you whole heartedly endorse him and his twaddle leaves you open to the sort of potshots you are suffering from today.
    It’s not fair that you should bear the brunt, but that appears to be the case here.
    FMC

  15. Oh, and hello Stan.

  16. "Martin McGuinness made reference to them in his appalling speech"

    Have I got the correct text here David?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/08/nireland308.xml

  17. Interesting Paul – he called Blair "the Prime Minister" rather than "the British Prime Minister".

    And I disagree, marvellous poet though he is, that Seamus Heaney is "Ireland’s greatest living poet".

  18. Interesting indeed, slip of the tongue or Freudian slip?.

  19. Hi Paul,

    Sort of – but I am sure that I heard McGuinness say what I claim, in fact I went looking it on the web but couldn’t find it! Maybe I was imagining things, but I think I am right.

    What about 100 year Molly then, wasn’t that soooo touching. I nearly wept. And as for Heaney, he is Ireland’s worst ever poet!

  20. David – he made several speeches yesterday – maybe it was from a press conference or statement ?

  21. { We have also discovered that cyber troll "Sean" has set up a site which steals copy from ATW and then allows a small band of IRA sympathisers to comment. Big deal. }

    If they are reprinting the posts of this site in their entirity then it almost certainly violates copyright laws. If you aren’t bothered by it then fair enough but you could probably prevent them from doing so by contacting their hosting company.

  22. Ross,

    Can you have a look for me and determine their host company? Thx for the advice.

    Fatmammycat,

    As always, I find your comments thoughtful. My stance is I support my fellow writers even if they take a different view to me. I enjoy comments, others don’t so much. I respect Andrew and Samuel if they seek to turn comments off. but I can also understand the limiting impact this may have on readers.

    Finally, I don;t mind being criticises, but the sheer poison of the troll site takes the biscuit. Just plain unworthy.

  23. David: I agree with you that the alernate site displayed a disgusting attack for which they should be ashamed, if they were capable of the emotion. It was grotesque and sadly evidence that there are very immature people out there. I looked at it once after reading Andrew’s post which sadly highlighted its existence. It is devoid of humor and entirely mean-spirited. I think Andrew unnecessarily fans the flames with these guys.

    I don’t know about a copyright infringement, but libel is a possibility. However, I wouldn’t dignify their actions with an action.

    That said, I have not been able to understand your friend Andrew. He can write well, but as I’ve noted before, he also writes some pretty disgusting things and seems to be a very angry young man. His bigoted taunts naturally attract the worst elements in some others who then commit equally offensive remarks to the web.

    This is something ATW’s milder critics and even friends have pointed out. A critical companion site was inevitable given the nature of Andrew’s writing and the gratitous insults he makes that are excused as "style".

    I hope that Andrew might consider that a childish escalation is not in anyone’s best interests and he makes his own points without relying on unnecessary provocation and bigotry. If he tries that, these others will fade away.

  24. "Just plain unworthy.:
    Exactly.

  25. David: I love satire and when I first went over to the site the satire of the ATW banner (red color, leaf – is it the Canadian Maple leaf?) seemed funny. But the humor pretty much stopped there. Using Andrew’s name is not funny but vindicative. Using your father – appalling, and sick.

    Using my french fry entry – hilarious but the joke is on the pimpernal because he seemed to take it seriously. "Freedom fries" is ironic – fries being the quintessential American junk food, the antithesis of "French" The issue was never to be taken seriously. And yet the Pimp wrote pretty serious reams on this. He/she is pretty thick.

    Bottom line – he doesn’t have the chops to write satire. Too bad! 🙂

  26. The site is hosted by WordPress.I can’t find an email address for them yet although this page might be of some use:
    http://wordpress.com/contact-support/

  27. I have read all three sites and the most objectionable behaviour has been from one of this site’s authors, Andrew McCann.

    You can hardly be surprised if you attract negative comment when your site has author’s trolling the internet with hate filled bile.

    Bad form all round but a member of the ATW team leads the way in the race to the bottom.

  28. David

    Those such as Chris Gaskin and Phantom should know better than to inhabit such a sewer, but seeing as how Chris links it to his own site, maybe he should now consider ATW off-limits.

    I value free speech, you should know that by now. I did not however see anyone attack your father, had I saw that comment I would have lambasted the person who had written it.

    I link to all kinds of sites David, I link to ATW, the DUP, Gerry McGeough, The Young Unionists etc

    Does that mean I support what they write or their opinions???

    No! I do however support giving my readers a wide variety of views, confident in the belief that my own are correct.

    If it is your wish that I no longer comment here then I will do so, I will not impose my views on a site where they are not welcome.

    Do not however suggest that I would endorse or support anyone who would use your late fathers passing as a platform on which to attack you.

    People who mock the dead are sick or as you say

    "Those who used my fathers death on Sean’s sick site to attack me are literally the scum of the earth"

    I agree 100%

    If however you were being consistent you would have said the same about Andrews comments, on my site and yours, in relation to Michael.

    Let’s just have a flavour of his bile

    "let’s hope the bull defecated after his little charge!
    Andrew McCann | 05.02.07 – 9:13 pm | #"

    http://gaskinbalrog.blogspot.com/2007/04/rip-michael-mcanespie.html
    http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/animal-farm.html#comments

    I am well aware David that you will not show disapproval with Andrew in public, lest you be seen in support of the Republicans however I would like for you to think about this.

    You were quite rightly disgusted by the vile attack on you and your late fathers memory. Michael McAnespie died around the same time as your father and he had children as well. If you were his son how would you find Andrews comments??

    You are a Christian David, that was not Christian or even human behaviour from your fellow writer.

    That said, you run your site as you wish. I and all the others are merely guests. If you want me to stop posting, just say so.

    I was genuinely offended though that you would think I would support such a cowardly attack after I had passed on my condolences to you.

    I have a father myself, I never want to face what you had to recently.

  29. I have been one of those banned for no apparent reason other than flagging up the hypocrisy of Vance and the sychophancy of people like Mahons. Kloot I apologise unreservedly for ever comparing the two of you.

    Here we have others also objecting to the hypocrisy on open display. I have checked both sites and others should do so also, it tells it’s own story that Vance still chooses to turn a blind eye whilst claiming falsely that he was attacked over his fathers death. Lies!

    It was ok for mainstream Unionist politicians to have past involvement in terrorism, just as long as they were keeping the Catholics out of power. Now that peace is upon us and powersharing a reality, these self-same politicians are derided. Useful idiots like the Catholic Charles from Texas and other right-wing Catholics think it is about terrorism, wrong! If only they had lived in Ireland through all the anti-Catholic bigotry they would not be dancing to a hypocritical bigots tune. Mahons, reading between the lines you do know better, however sychophancy reigns, shame!

  30. David – My check has not arrived in the mail as you promised when I agreed to become an ATW sychophant! Tam has exposed me so now I can come out in the open. The fact that I disagree with you more often than not politically was of course part of my cover.

  31. LOL, my check for being an "uncle tom" has also not arrived. I told David I didn’t want cash is case the sly git would send me Northern bank notes 😉

  32. Chris – I would have assumed you had a stash of Northern bank notes from your enterprising comrades (drum roll please).

  33. Mahons

    LOL

    I always supported community enterprise initiatives however I have never, at least to the best of my knowledge, directly benefited from such schemes. 😉

  34. Chris – community enterprise initiatives – classic. good sport.

  35. Mahons

    It is your custom to ignore Unionist bigotry and ‘big up’ the bigot. It is all there day and daily. You are a disgrace!

  36. David and Chris – you need to clear the air, but in private.

  37. LOL, my check for being an "uncle tom" has also not arrived.

    shouldn’t that be an uncle TAM ? 😉

  38. Ohhh, very drool! 😉 I see someone is on the low tar baccie LOL

  39. I believe it was Jo who commented on Davids father but also the Shrimp duped Davids whole post to his dad also. It was plainly all there. Why link to this Chris.

  40. Chris – the sooner you change sides the better 🙂 Republicans don’t stand a chance against our superior wit, intellect and sense of humour !

  41. also the Shrimp duped Davids whole post to his dad also. It was plainly all there

    What???

    Why link to this Chris

    I have already explained why Tom, I value Free Speech. My link should not suggest support.

    David links to Balrog, does that mean he supports my Republican views???

  42. Chris – the sooner you change sides the better

    LOL, I don’t think so. I am on the correct side.

    Repubicans don’t stand a chance against our superior wit, intellect and sense of humour !

    Oh yes, the Dawson Bailey’s of this world really scare us LOL

    Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no sense! 😉

  43. Tam – You mean I have to return my honorary orange sash? Damn.

  44. I don’tknow who Dawson Bailey is, but youse have Danny M 😉

    Mahons – it’s amazing what can be created with photoshop – Lord Kermit of Dromintee looks very well in Sash and Bowler LOL

  45. He’s that idiot Orangeman from the Whiterock protests.

    BTW I do actually own an Orange sash, I wear it to Armagh games.

  46. He’s that idiot Orangeman from the Whiterock protests.

    tautology ? 😉

    I do actually own an Orange sash, I wear it to Armagh games.

    So all you need is the bowler!

  47. Mad – I forgot about the Bowler.

  48. BTW – Now the Hindus are on the warpath !

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070509/tuk-uk-britain-bull-fa6b408.html

  49. tautology ? 😉

    LOL, indeed. In my defence we have Americans reading this exchange. 😉

    Don’t like bowlers, wouldn’t be suiting me.

  50. David and Chris – you need to clear the air, but in private.

    No I think it’s important that David address the substance of Chris’ post right here.

  51. Gaskin

    McAnespie was a father, was he? So what? He spent his life dedicating himself to a movement that stole fathers from countless children – and for nothing other than for doing their jobs.

    So don’t come on here and do the sanctimonious ‘oh woe is me’ act. As far as I’m concerned anyone who is a member, supporter or excuser of republican terrorism’s violent past in Northern Ireland is a scumbag whose rantings about the sanctity of life show them up to be only hypocrites, not saints.

    I don’t retract ONE word of what I said about McAnespie, and wouldn’t do so if Adams, McGuinness, McLaughlin or any other of that party’s detritus met a similar fate. I’m much more concerned with the RUC officers who were killed in cold blood, or Catholics picked off purely because of their religion. When you stop excusing (some) the filth that perpetrated this mass loss of life, maybe then you can come the pontificate.

  52. JG
    "No I think it’s important that David address the substance of Chris’ post right here"

    Bit presumptious there Julius, who do you think you are, The Internet Police??!

  53. Oh there’s nothing like bloggers being at each others throats is there 🙂

    FWIW I think if someone sets up a site purely about another person regardless of the intention (even if it’s malicous) it should be seen as a form of flattery .

    The best response would be to say "You think about me so much you have set up a site in my name. I thank you for your devotion and interest"

  54. In fairness to Sean (the Pimpernel), he didn’t make that comment about David’s dad and even complained about it to the guy that did. He isn’t responsible for comments on his site any more than David is responsible for all comments on ATW.

  55. I don’t feel I want to look at Sean’s site , but I am becoming so tempted. Should I look ?

  56. Hi All,

    Just catching up on the numerous posts. Lots of good humour which is fine by me! And common sense.

    Chris,

    Can I ask you to drop me a mail when you get a second at the email the editor link?

  57. David

    Done

  58. David/Chris

    What about the rest of us nosey sods, can’t we be privy to your e mails ? 😉

  59. Colm – they are talking about you !

  60. Well I hope they don’t publish the correspondence then. It will be embarrassing to read such reams of praise about me 🙂

  61. David

    I’d deal with that website in one of two ways:

    a) by ignoring it, or
    b) with humor, perhaps linking to it at ATW

    I’m quite serious here. Whoever is doing this is trying to both you and (the sullen) McCann upset. And guess what? By each of you posting on the matter, it’s clear that they’ve won…so far.

    I’m not terribly impressed with what I see there, from the title on down. If I were you, I’d focus on other things.

    And it goes without saying that the comments about your father’s passing angered me. They’re indefensible. End of story.

  62. I hope someone’s pointed out to this Sean fellow that the original Pimpernel engaged in saving Royalists from the clutches of blood-thirsty Republicans.

  63. >>Useful idiots like the Catholic Charles from Texas and other right-wing Catholics think it is about terrorism, wrong! If only they had lived in Ireland through all the anti-Catholic bigotry they would not be dancing to a hypocritical bigots tune.<<

    I feel like I’ve arrived! No Tam, I didn’t live through anti-Catolic bigotry in Ireland, I lived through it in Texas. And guess what? We didn’t fight that bigotry by exploding nail-bombs near women and children. You and your ilk have brought dishonour to Holy Mother Church and to Our Lord through your vile terrorist criminal actions.

  64. Charles

    Anti-Catholic bigotry surely did exist until the not so recent past, as it did further back in NY and Boston.

    But I don’t think that any anti Catholicism in the US from the early 20th Century onward would remotely compare to what existed in Derry and Belfast and places like that until very recent times indeed.

    But the type of terrorism you describe is not and was not justified, even in action against a petty apartheid state such as the Northern Ireland of the recent past.

  65. Phantom, I agree with you on both counts. The anti-Catholic bigotry here probably wasn’t as bad here. My grandfather on Long Island did have a cross burned on his lawn in the 20’s.

    And I agree with you that the IRA tactics weren’t and aren’t justified. Look at the blacks here in the South. They were treated much worse than the Catholics of Derry and Tyrone ever were. But the non-violent campaign of MLK helped them keep the high road.

    Maybe "We Shall Overcome" is better than "Brits Out."

  66. Sullen? Perhaps it’s when I read pig-ignorant remarks from pig-ignorant Irish Americans such as ‘I’ve always opposed the British presence in the Six Counties’.

    Sound familiar, Phantom?

  67. >>the original Pimpernel engaged in saving Royalists from the clutches of blood-thirsty Republicans.<<

    LOL, nice observation, Richard.

    >>My grandfather on Long Island did have a cross burned on his lawn in the 20’s.<<

    Interesting, Charles. Didn’t know that kind of thing happened in Long Island!
    Did he know the guys who did it?

  68. ‘petty apartheid state’

    thats makes no sense at all and is a silly argument. Especially coming from an Amereican. What are the Indian reservations then – fucking concentration camps?

  69. But the non-violent campaign of MLK helped them keep the high road.

    The forgotten man – it was a gay quaker, Bayard Rustin, who took the movement from violence to non-violence.

    http://www.quakerinfo.com/quak_br.shtml

  70. Mad

    Do keep all this esoterica stored in your gray matter or are you a superb Googler? You always come up with most amazing stuff!

  71. I read a lot Daphne – and because of my family connections I’m always interested in anything linked to the Quakers. Such a small group, so influential.

  72. and they make lovely porridge 🙂

  73. Paul W.

    Bit presumptious there Julius, who do you think you are, The Internet Police??!

    No more presumptious than MR suggesting they sort if out in private. The fact is Chris highlighted gross hypocrisy in David standing by Andrew’s disgraceful remarks – or at least remaining silent on them. He still remains silent on them which I think is quite telling.

  74. JG,

    Go away, you bore me.

  75. Coward.

  76. JG,

    Such sophistication. We’ll miss you.

  77. Go away, you bore me

    That was rather childish, big of you to admit it.

    You taking your ball and going home now?

  78. >>Interesting, Charles. Didn’t know that kind of thing happened in Long Island!
    Did he know the guys who did it?<<

    Cunningham, The KKK was very strong both north and south in the 1920’s. My family lived in Amagansett, a village in East Hamptom township. There were only a few Catholic families, ours and the Bouvier’s,(Jackie Kennedy’s parents and grand parents.) Jackie’s father and my grandfather started the Cathilic cemetary in town, and our family plots are next to each other. My claim to fame!

    Anyhow, the old line prods of the town didn’t like all these immigrant catholics coming in. Grandfather said he knew who did it and gave’em what-for when he saw them.

  79. From the web:

    "This ephemera c. 1927 from the Women of the Ku Klux Klan was found in Coxsackie, New York, and was part of a museum accession that also included Klan robes and hoods. These artifacts are representative of widespread KKK activity in New York State in the 1920s. An estimated 80,000 New Yorkers belonged to the Klan. In fact, New York had the seventh highest membership in the nation. The Albany-Schenectady-Troy area had an estimated 11,000 members, but Klan rallies, parades, and burning crosses were reported statewide, from the state headquarters in Binghamton to Long Island, from Buffalo to the Catskills. As opposed to the anti-black animus in the South, the primary targets of the Klan in New York were Roman Catholics, Jews, immigrants generally, and "Bolsheviks" (the common 1920s name for communists). "

    http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/womenshistory/klan.html

  80. JG,

    Which part of "Go away" do you not understand. You are not wanted here, understand?

  81. OK, now you’ve got me going with the research. Humour me!

    "On Long Island, the “new” Klan adopted a law-and-order stance to attract recruits, backed Prohibition and criticized the “loose” morals of the times. By the early ’20s, men in white robes were burning crosses once again, this time at rallies on the outskirts of dozens of Nassau and Suffolk villages. Within a few years, historians estimate, one out of seven to eight Long Island residents was a Klan member — about 20,000 to 25,000 men and women."

    http://www.newsday.com/community/guide/lihistory/ny-history-hs725a,0,7485380.story

  82. Incredible story, Charles.
    Did your Dad know Jackie?

    By the way, with that family history do you not feel uncomfortable sitting so close to so many around here with a Klan mindset?

  83. Cunningham, No, my father never knew Jackie, as the Bouvier’s were upper crust. My grandfather knew "Black Jack" Bouvier, her father, because he was the conductor of the Long Island Railroad. The Bouvier’s had a private car. Grandfather would get Black Jack on the train in NYC, and as Bouvier usually had too much to drink, granddad had 2 hours to sober him up before they got back to East Hampton.

    Back to the Catholic cemetary. Mr. Bouvier wanted to be buried in "hallowed ground" in East Hampton, so he asked Grandfather to taken some money to the Bishop to donate anonymously. The Bouvier’s have plot #1, and Black jack had his parents and grandparents reburied there. My family has plot #2.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=1964613&GRid=14654259&amp;

  84. Andrew

    I support a united Ireland. I believe that a British presence belongs more suitably in Britain.

    What’s the point that you were attempting to make?

    Phantom
    A Hot and Crowded JFK Airport, waiting for a plane that’s quite late

  85. Charles – I knew you came from Yankees!!!! I knew it!! And a New Yorker!! great story about the family history.

    Great little village by the way. Best farm stands in the Hamptons.

  86. Mahons, I’ve kept the family shame in long enough!

    Really though, I heart NY! We would go to visit my grandparents in Amagansett, who had a beatiful house a mile from the beach. Alas, all are gone now. It cuts to the quick to know that Alec Baldwin summers there and I don’t!

    When I’m back in NY, I start dropping my "R’s"!

  87. Charles – funny stuff. The Baldwin line is priceless. I used to go out there all the time in my youth (Sag Harbor before the flood of the beautiful people).

  88. Mahons, Grandmother was born in Sag Harbor. Her parents and grandparents are buried there in the Catholic cemetary. I know what you mean about the beautiful people. They’ve practically priced me out of visiting my heritage. Or they’ll run you over driving drunk back from the city!

    The last time I was in Sag Harbor, the bridge to the island was gone. I can’t remember now if it was there in my childhood, or I just heard about it.

  89. The bridge to Shelter Island? Now I’ll have to check that out. I was there two Novembers ago (off season has its charms as well) and I thought it was there. Perhaps that was just a Kennedy moment.

    I will say the Downtown has gotten rather built up, but I suppose I am just showing my age.

  90. I forgot about google. Seems they built a new one in ’99, and I was last ther about ’96. I’m showing my age as well. I was mostly there in the ’60 & ’70ies. It was still very sleepy then. I just read that John Steinbeck lived there until he died in 1968. Man, to think I might have run into him!

  91. >>that was just a Kennedy moment.<<

    Ha! I was hoping Kennedy would drive McGuinness home!

  92. Charles – even more scary, you could have run into me (my family took us there regularly through the seventies).

  93. Mahons, did you ever go to a little bar called Sneaky Pete’s in the Springs? I think only the locals went there.

  94. I can’t recall at the moment but I am working on it. By the way, if you want to see Sag Harbor in the recent past, there is a movie called Sweet Liberty (Michelle Pffeifer, Alan Alda, Bob Hoskins, Michael Caine) filmed maybe 15-20 years ago.