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The population demographic of any country is the future but it seems to avoid any sensible media scrutiny for some odd reason. Take this statistic;

25% of all babies delivered during Ireland’s baby boom were from women born outside the country.

Figures show Ireland had the highest birth rate in Europe in 2009 and almost 24% of births were to the country’s “new Irish”. The figure was 17% four years earlier.

There is a troubling truth here that needs pointed out. The ONLY reason why Ireland’s fertility rate is at replacement level is because of these births to non-Nationals. Ireland’s own indigenous population is below replacement level, a feature it shares with all other European countries. So the Irish population declines even as the birth rate rises – a suitable memorial to the multicultural “dream” embraced by the Irish political elite.  Given the parlous state of the Irish economy, one wonders how it can afford such financial generosity to so many from outside the Republic?

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24 thoughts on “DEMOGRAPHIC DECAY…

  1. >>Given the parlous state of the Irish economy, one wonders how it can afford such financial generosity to so many from outside the Republic?<<

    Generosity? Letting them have children?
    These new immigrants – in Ireland and elsewhere – on average chip much more into the pot than the "indigenous population".

  2. Phantom, a large majority of them are young adults, eager to work and earn.
    They pay statutory insurance but statistically have much less demand on healthcare services than the overall pop., with its very high rate of children and the aged. They of course also pay more tax than the average Irishman, simply because on average more of them work.

    Very many do not have permanent residence status, and their permits can be withdrawn as economic conditions change.
    In fact, about half of the 2006 total has now already left Ireland, most voluntarily, and there can hardly be surer proof than that that they were there for the work.

    The Irish state, on the other hand, gives EUR 200 a week to every Irish pensioner, irrespective of working history.
    e.g. My ancient mother never paid tax in her life and has been receiving the pension since it was introduced. My dad the same. They easily live from my dad’s additional company insurance, with plenty left over. They do not need this handout totalling EUR 1600 a month, and every Cent automatically goes into a saving account that they never touch and are hardly aware of.

    Ireland now has a very large population at or approaching pension age. The recipients of the EUR 800/month handout are of course all “indigenous”.

    No. If the Irish state is generous, it is not to the immigrant communities. They work for their money, and the Irish people as a whole greatly benefitted from their presence while it lasted.

  3. Noel Cunningham –

    That’s a good dozen solid claims you make.

    References please.

  4. One of the nativist charges lodged against Irish immigrants to the US over the last century was that they were overbreeding. No doubt that will be the ironic charge by some Irish as to immigrants to their nation.

  5. What are the numbers of immigrants who worked off the books?

    Or who were ” asylum seekers “?

  6. OK then

    Then it’s never OK to notice what’s going on

    The US ( inaccurately ) was then seen as an underpopulated country

    Ireland already has a population, mahons.

  7. The resentment of the Irish birth rate in the last Century here in the US was based on the fact that they were Catholic.

    I imagine much of the uproar here is based on the fact that the a quarter of the births were to women not born in Ireland (I’ll note that there is no mention that these women were not present in Ireland legally). One of the interestign developments in Ireland was watching those who were historically incensed by the phrase “No Irish Need Apply” morph into neo-nativists when people started to immigrate into Ireland for the first time.

  8. So, ok let’s just shut up and open the floodgates then

    The fact is that Ireland – Europe even – is a tiny place, considering. And they get only one chance, one narrow window not to f* this up the way England and France messed up their societies.

  9. Decay?

    Please explain how immigrants to Ireland giving birth to Irish born children, is characterised by the word decay?

  10. “One of the interestign developments in Ireland was watching those who were historically incensed by the phrase “No Irish Need Apply” morph into neo-nativists when people started to immigrate into Ireland for the first time”

    Much to our national disgrace there are Irish people with very short memories and much less compassion.

  11. I’ve never advocated any suspension of borders or end of immigration laws. Ireland (and other nations) have a right ot control immigration.

  12. You will notice that the word decay is being used not by someone who actually lives in the Republic but by someone who is projecting his own xenophobia on the situation.

  13. There is no indication when the immigrants came to the Country, the stats being from 2009 (as to the births) would imply they came during the boom period.

  14. I suppose because America was founded by Protestants escaping persecution by mainly the Roman Catholic Church,
    and,
    (according to Allan)
    pesky Jews trying to sell them insurance…

  15. >>America was founded by Protestants escaping persecution by mainly the Roman Catholic Church,<<

    What are you talking about, Agit8ed?

    How many of the people who founded America were "escaping persecution by mainly the Roman Catholic Church,"?
    They were escaping English greed and bigotry.

    Or were you thinking perhaps of the Pilgrim Fathers and the Mayflower? They were escaping persecution by the Anglican Church.

    Or the Virginia colony perhaps? They were escaping boredom and poverty.

    Sometimes you are a comedy of errors.

  16. I was wondering when someone might respond to that.

    Holy cow, the things people believe.

  17. Okay.
    I just checked it out.
    http://law.jrank.org/pages/11887/Colonial-Period.html
    There were Catholics, but most were non conformists seeking freedom of expression in religion.
    “They were escaping English greed and bigotry.”

    That’s pushing it a bit too far.
    Greed and bigotry are universal qualities.. I suspect even Ireland might be acquainted with them…

  18. There’s an excellent book called “Albion’s Seed” about the 4 great migrations from Britain that founded America all partly due to religious discrimination.

    -Puritans went to New England to escape persecution under Charles I
    – High church Anglican cavaliers went to Virginia to escape persecution under Cromwell.
    – Quakers and other related groups were encouraged to settle in Pennsylvania by Charles II.
    – Presbytarians left in the 18th century largely to escape discrimination by the Established church.

    A lot of the regional differences in the modern USA go back to these origins.

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