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MADELEINE AND THE POPE….

By ATWadmin On May 27th, 2007

Let’s face it – Madeleine’s image is everywhere yet she can be found nowhere.

I refer to the missing four year old girl, Madeleine McCann, and the unbelievable media campaign to raise awareness of her. The headline "Madeleine’s Parents to meet Pope" made me wonder if the Pontiff was now a suspect (!) only to discover that in fact this was just one more media story planted as if it were authentic news. I also noticed that the story of Madeleine had made the front page of celebrity gossip magazine "Hello".  Quite how all of this helps locate the kidnapped kid escapes me. There is something very odd about all of this.

33 Responses to “MADELEINE AND THE POPE….”

  1. The distraught parents are desperate to keep the story in the headlines because they think it improves the chances of getting the child back alive. I hope they’re right.

  2. David,

    This is odd, yes, but so is the behaviour of a person who abducts a child. I believe all this publicity will focus more attention on this sort of crime, which in fact is depressingly common in less civilized countries, Vietnam and Thailand among them.

    The fact that a British child went missing counts for a great deal. The huge manhunt must act as a deterrent to would-be abductors. It should send out the message: Don’t mess with OUR kids. We care and we’ll come looking for you.

    I still hope that Madeleine can be rescued but am doubtful. But if all this ensures the future safety of other children then something good will have come out of this evil.

  3. I and my wife raised three children, and despite that we managed to have a fairly busy life outside of our home. How? Simple, by arranging for responsible and educated baby-sitters for every minute that we were out of our home in the evening! We would never have dreamed of leaving any of our children to fend for themselves, even in a country which was so safe there was one reported child abuse/death/abduction crime in near twenty years!

    The McCanns..responsible parents? Don’t make me laugh!

  4. Mike

    The McCanns were only yards away from their apartment when it happened. They had a line of sight from the restaurant. I think the criticism of them is undeserved and as a parent I can guess what they’re going through and sympathise rather than demonise.

  5. Mike,

    I don’t think the word "laugh" is appropriate in this particular situation. And Peter is absolutely right. The last thing the McCanns would have suspected was a stalker in an area with a sound reputation, waiting to pounce on an unsuspecting child.

  6. Oh come ON – if these people had tattoos and were on the dole the mob would be baying for their blood.

    They ARE unfit parents.

    and Peter – if they were so close and were in line of sight, how come, if they didn’t know what they were doing was risky, they went back every so often to check ?

  7. MR

    Go ahead and demonise if it makes you feel better. My sympathies are with the parents and their child who has been abducted by evil people. It’s the abductors who should be in the stocks, not the parents.

  8. child who has been abducted by evil people

    but has she ? Time will tell.

    If the child had woken up, found a box of matches and started a fire that had killed the children, it would be the match manufacturers fault, right?

  9. You only have to take your eyes off a child for a second for a tradgedy…scalding from a pan…falling in a bath of water and, as doctors, the McCanns will have heard this so many times.

    But then as I criticize the helpless feeling of a nightmare scenario washes over and I cannot but think…there for the grace of God.

  10. Peter,

    I fully understand ang agree with the humanity of your point. I guess my point is that I just think there is something not quite right about all of this -and whilst all of us will wish the safe return of the child, I can’t but wonder if all is as it seems.to be??

  11. David

    There’s obviously some conspiracy theory here. Can you enlighten me?

  12. "how come, if they didn’t know what they were doing was risky, they went back every so often to check ?"

    To check if any of the children had woken up/had a bad dream/needed a drink/needed a nappy changed. Any of the hundreds of small reasons why parents check on their small children regularly even when in their own homes.

    It is mean minded, cold blooded and heartless to suggest that these poor people are bad or unfit parents rather than incredibly unfortunate. It is beyond comprehension to suggest that that fact that they have made herculean efforts to do EVERYTHING in their power to keep this story alive is suggestive of something strange or fishy.

    I don’t know how many of those commenting actually have children, but I know I would die for mine and prostituting myself to the media, even to the likes of Hello, would be a no-brainer if I thought for even an instant there was even the slimmest, most obscure, hope that it might help me to get one of them back.

  13. Parent,

    I have two kids and I know exactly what you mean. My point is though that I think I would be concentrating all my concerns on the area where my child was kidnapped, working with the police – not the media. And esp not Hello.

  14. So – who thinks it’s good parenting practise to go to a pub hundreds of yards away, leave the door unlocked and pop back every so often to check that children, let alone very, very young children, are OK ?

  15. I have to agree with the "irresponsible parents" brigade. Even I know you don’t leave children under 3 alone, at night, in the ground floor room of a hotel in a foreign country. Only yards away? Try 500. Then see how long it takes you to walk 500 yards and think about what can happen in that time, plus the time they took inbetween ‘checks’.

    It may well be that Madeline would still have gone missing even if they had been in the next room, but that’s not the point. The point is they were irresponsible and should probably count themselves lucky that their other two children are still with them.

    Having said that, they have my every sympathy. I can only imagine the horror they must be going through and I sincerely hope their child is returned safe and well.

    I can appreciate their wanting to spread her image but surely they should be doing this in Portugal and the rest of Europe? It seems to me at least that it’s highly unlikely Madeline has been brought back to the UK, so what’s the point in handing out leaflets in Cheshire and putting her picture up on the monitors at the FA Cup final in London?

    Only the week before Madeline went missing, two children were murdered in London, yet barely a word was spoken of it in the MSM. Little blonde girl goes missing in sunny Portugal and the reporters are over there like a shot. Odd that.

  16. And I thought I was cynical! I concede to your far superior talent…:-)

  17. I still think the McCanns know more than they are revealing.

    Normal parents would become more crushed and despondent as the days went by,.. not more media hungry.

  18. The reason this is high profile is, as some have already said, partly at least because these are well off, well connected, people. But why should that be getting up people’s noses to such a degree? Should they have to apologise for being relatively privileged? Would they be more deserving of sympathy if they had the decency to be poor? I don’t think anyone is suggesting that.

    It’s simply the case that better off and better connected people have the wherewithal and the contacts to make things happen in a way that less well off people would not. So they use this. No matter who they were they would use everything and anything they could, it just so happens that in their case that’s quite a lot.

    If I remember correctly there was a very high profile given also to the disappearance of Ben Needham in Kos some years ago, though that was before the advent of 24 hour rolling news and the Internet, so it wasn’t quite comparable. Those were not well off people.

  19. Parent,

    And sadly young Ben never showed up again. So sad for his family.

  20. >>Try 500. Then see how long it takes you to walk 500 yards<<

    The articles I’ve read on this case all said that the distance between the apartment and the restaurant was around 100 metres (actually some say it was less), and now the Cynical Libertarian claims it was almost five times that distance.

    CL, what’s your excuse for telling lies apart from an attempt to strengthen what would otherwise be a very shaky point?

    Is there any parent here who never left his/her children in a situation where they could have been abducted?

    CL? MR?

  21. Sorry folks but I think you’re being entirely unfair to the parents in this situation. All of us have been on holiday and done things we might not have considered in other circumstances. This was hardly a case of neglect and I’m sure millions of parents have done the same thing.

    The fact is that this was clearly not an opportunistic crime. Some lout may enter an apartment looking for cash or passports but very few would wish to abduct a small child. Chances are this person or persons had the family under surveillaince for some time and took the opportunity to make their move.

    I don’t know much about the Portugese judicial system, but the only justice this man deserves (and it is certain to be a man) is to be placed in the main wing of the nearest prison and allow nature to take it’s course. Placing this kind of subhuman scum in a seperate luxury wing with his ‘own kind’ for a few years is a gross misuse of public money.

    I’m not entirely sure what you’re suggesting in this thread David but given the parents’ desperation I wouldn’t blame them for any media ‘stunt’ they attempt.

    I sincerely hope that Madeline can still be found but like most I have severe doubts at this stage.

  22. I think the parents are doing the only thing they can at this point by remainig in the media eye with the hopes that this will help in the recovery of their child, and the media’s interest is simply to increase circulation numbers.

    I think people buy Hello! and watch this story on the news because of purient interest — it’s like slowing down to gawk at a car wreck. It’s part of human nature. Admittedly, not the best part.

  23. I think the poor child is dead and her parents and her siblings will live with this mistake for the rest of their lives. The McCanns’ lives are going to be an endless nightmare. I feel sorry for them.

    I don’t like to blame them, because it’s just a damn shame that you can’t walk across the street without some pervert snatching your kid nowadays. Maybe if we had a decent justice system that fried their sick asses every time one was convicted it would make their fellow pederasts think twice before acting on their sick sexual compulsions. A little deterence on the governments behalf couldn’t hurt.

    There was a day when we, the people, took care of this scum that lurked in our neighborhoods. Maybe we ought to recreate that sense of community again.

  24. >>All of us have been on holiday and done things we might not have considered in other circumstances.<<

    Agreed, just last year my wife, 2 kids and I spent a week at an apartment complex in a resort in Italy, consisting of a circle of apartments around a central swimming pool and BBQ area. It was all families (a bit of a drag actually) and each night all the parents would congregate at the pool to drink and chat while the kids slept in the apartments, all with open windows due to the heat. This year we’re going to do the same, as no doubt will all the others. (a word of caution to any would-be abductors: my kids will have puked your car full before you get a mile away). The chance of anything happening is always there, as in a million other situations at home or abroad, but is so negligible that it’s universally ignored.

    >>if we had a decent justice system that fried their sick asses every time one was convicted it would make their fellow pederasts think twice<<

    Daphne, I think the abductor was probably going to sell the kid to someone else for whatever purpose. The motivation was money, not sexual. I also fear the child is dead. One tragic result of all this media attention could be that it convinced the abductor that he’ll never be able to sell a kid with such a well-known face, so he decided to kill and dump her to avoid any risks.

  25. You’re probably right Noel. It’s all so sad.

    Your vacation spot sounds nice, we do something very similar every year. But our kids NEVER seem to go to bed! What is adult time, I’ve forgotten….

  26. Noel – we used to live across the road from a little country pub – never considered even going across the road to buy a packet of ciggies leaving the children unattended, let alone with a door unlocked, and that was with the dogs in the house. But go out for an evening ? That’s utterly shocking.

  27. Noel Cunningham,

    I was going on memory. On checking, it does seem that 100 and 150 yards seem to be the most common distances given. My apologies for that. However, don’tcha think it’s a bit hasty to jump to accusing my of outright lying?

    Regardless, my point remains: that they were a considerable distance away and that there was ample time for things to go wrong while they were alone. Also, I believe you are incorrect in saying that they had a line of sight – bushes obscured their view, and IIRC their apartment was at the back or side of the building. Not that this matters: they certainly did not have a line of sight with, or an ability to hear, their children, who could have been hurt or killed without someone breaking into the apartment.

    As to your question, I have never left a child in my care in a house alone. I’m not a father, but I’ve looked after other people’s children. If you really want I could go and impregate some girl just to see if I could keep it up with my own kids, but I’d rather leave it a few years tbh.

  28. This BBC news article has a photo showing the hotel and the restaurant. Bit difficult to judge the exact distance, but I’d put it at "way too far to leave your kids unattended".

  29. That takes care of that Tom.

  30. Sad to say Cunningham is quite possibly right at 1:34 – carrying Madeleine around the place would be too big a risk for the kidnapper.

  31. WHY HAVE THE PARENTS NOT BEEN QUESTIONED, SURELY THE FATHER IS A SUSPECT BEING THE LAST ONE TO SEE HER ALIVE..ANY OTHER COUNTRY AND THEY WOULD BE SUSPECTS, BUT THEY R BEING PORTRAYED LIKE SAINTS OR ROYALTY. SOME THING IS NOT RIGHT IN THE WAY THE FATHER IS LAPPING UP THE ATTENTION FROM MEDIA AND IS SO COLD AND SHOWS NO EMOTION WHAT SO EVER. MORE TIME IS BEING SPENT ON THE MADELINE FUND FOR THEM TO SPEND TO TRAVEL AROUND EUROPE, HOW IS THAT HELPING FIND MADELINE.. THE FATHER SPENDING EVERY NIGHT ON THE COMPUTER WRITING A DIARY, HOW IS THAT HELPING EITHER.. THEY HAVE ALL THIS MONEY NOW AND STILL HAVE NOT HIRED A PRIVATE DETECTIVE…WHO THEY GOING TO MEET NEXT THE QUEEN..THIS IS GETTING SILLY…HE SHOULD BE OUT SEARCHING THE STREETS EVERYDAY, NOT ACTING LIKE A CELEBRITY AND MAKING MONEY OUT OF THIS……I THINK THE POLICE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FATHER AS A SUSPECT BECAUSE I THINK HE IS ACTING WEIRD…HOPE THIS LITTLE GIRL ARRIVES HOME SAFELY BUT I THINK THE FATHER KNOWS MORE THAN HE IS SAYING

  32. the father is acting weird i agree with that……..but they seem to be untouchables because they r well connected and rich…i keep looking at the father and think he knows more about this and is playing everyone….only time will tell

  33. why did they take 3 weeks to talk to the press on tv, surely they should have done that straight away…plenty of time to rehearse their lines …something is not right here. the parents know more than they are saying…give the father a lie detector test