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In the 1920’s, a very clever politician had the idea of running summer camps for the younger members of his political organization; and so the Hitler Youth Camps were born. Their ultimate purpose was to serve as fodder for the Nazi Armed Forces, but the overt aim was to inculcate a sense of purpose through companionship, healthy exercise and comradeship. Through our history books and papers, as well as memory, we all know, or rather should know, of the ultimate destination of the thought process behind the Jungsturm Adolf Hitler

Turning to modern times, we should look anew at the seemingly-innocent ‘Camps’ run by the Norwegian Labour Youth league, and especially at the camp on Utøya which was to end so tragically for all those young lives.  We can now see that there was again a subtle, or rather not-so-subtle propaganda theme, especially in the education of these young people when it comes to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, the stance of Norway as a country, and the slant in the ideas propagated in the camp.

So who was right, and who was wrong? Were the Germans so besotted with their charismatic leader that they completely ignored the signposts to death and destruction? Were the Norwegians just laying out the arguments for and against Israel’s actions in the West Bank, in Gaza and in, for instance, the Lebanon?

Or were both types of Camp just the forerunner to a more sinister, formalised Camp where only one Race would be the topic; one Race would be the target; one Race would be the ultimate loser?

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34 thoughts on “Two sorts of Camps

  1. Ignoring the obscenity of comparing this camp to the Hitler youth, and the implicit suggestion that in some way the victims are to blame, I suggest going to this page (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/norway-dead-interactive) and just looking at the faces of the dead and their ages; 15, 16, 17, 18. Young faces full of optimism. The youngest of them, Johannes Buø, was just 14.

    Seeing their names and their faces stops them from being a statistic. You would have to have a heart of stone not to be moved by that page. It is their youth that transforms this hideous event and puts it in a special category of its own. The pain that their parents must be feeling cannot be imagined.

  2. Or were both types of Camp just the forerunner to a more sinister, formalised Camp where only one Race would be the topic; one Race would be the target; one Race would be the ultimate loser?

    Was a youth camp that had been run by a mainstream democratic party for 50 odd years a precursor to death camps dedicated to the genocide of the Jews?

    I am going to need to think about that.

  3. Mike,

    This posting is there with those on the Left who gloat that Anders Breivik is white, blond and “Right-wing”.

    It is disgusting and you should be ashamed.

  4. Mike – What a disgusting and ill thought post. To make trivial true evil for the sake of meritless argument. A new low for the site.

  5. Is this even true? I can only seem to fine one main post with a few pictures, nothing else. I have no idea if the pictures were even photo-shopped or not.

  6. Does it not strike the readership as even a bit sinister that a political party runs ‘youth camps’? Political parties should simply not be allowed anywhere near youths. Only after the age of 18 should anybody be allowed to join political parties. But then, because the Norwegian Labour Party is ‘liberal’, and liberals are nice people, then it’s OK, I suppose.

  7. There’s nothing wrong with it. Lots of kids under 18 are interested in public affairs.

  8. “When I read of the GOP Tea Party youth camps in the USA, the thought of Hitler never crossed my mind.”

    Maybe ’cause they weren’t holding anti-Jewish, sorry, I mean anti-Israeli events and speeches. Maybe.

  9. Does it not strike the readership as even a bit sinister that a political party runs ‘youth camps’?

    The party that you support, the BNP, holds youth camps, and I don’t recall you voicing your concern about them before.

  10. Support of for the BNP is one thing, after all it is at least legal. His Holocaust denial (or diminishment), his advocacy of the jews were warned on 9/11, his repeated citing of their evil Jewish control of banks, media and Hollywood etc. should give one more of an idea where he is coming from.

  11. Holocaust denial etc is legal in most countries, as it should be.

    It’s immoral a position as it’s possible to take but I don’t support it being illegal

  12. I know where you were coming from.

    I can understand why Germany makes it illegal, but I don’t understand why anyone else does the same

    Yes, we know where our boy comes from. Better to have him out there.

  13. There is a time and place perhaps for discussing Norwegian youth camps but this horrific cold blooded murder of innocent children is not one of them, imo. May they rest in peace.

  14. mahons

    Your last post has ” comment moderation ” enabled – was that intentional?

  15. It means that when someone comments on a post, the comment does not appear until the poster approves it.

    You may have accidentally clicked a button enabling this, or the internet gremlins may have done it for you.

  16. What I think you need to do

    Hit EDIT ( an option that only you as the author will see )

    Scroll down and to the right and you will see ADVANCED MODERATION

    You want to use the USE SYSTEM DEFAULT setting and you will be fine

  17. @Mahons – “…his repeated citing of their evil Jewish control of banks, media and Hollywood etc….” and the failure of anyone to refute the facts of Jewish control is why the assertions cause such discomfort. As stated before, there are many Jews who oppose the control that their co-religionists have and the manner in which the control is exerted. In mahons’s ‘mind’, the very fact of citing and referencing Jewish control is of itself anti-Jewish whereas the reality is that it is only anti-Jewish if the assertions are demonstrably false – which they’re not.

    The point which I am making on this thread is that political parties recognise the potential for indoctrination of developing but unformed minds, and pursue it eagerly. If youngsters wish to develop an interest in public affairs, they don’t have to become embroiled in a political party. No political party should be allowed anywhere near anybody under 18.

  18. Some sharp 17 year olds might not like you telling them what they can do and not do

    And parents have always tried to indoctrinate their children into things much more important than politics – into religion for example. Where the word comes from. Should parents not be able to do that?

  19. Thank you Allan – I appreciate the fresh venom against Jewish people since I wouldn’t want a casual reader of ATW to think I have imagined your worldview.

  20. And thank you again mahons for contributing absolutely nothing of substance to the debate on this thread.

  21. Yes Pinky – mahons and I have this little game. I make a statement, back it with references and he calls me names when he discovers that he can’t refute the statement For example, I state that Hollywood is dominated by Jews, and I attach a reference below –

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

    By Joel Stein:

    I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

    How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

    – and then the game begins.

  22. The gift that keeps on giving. I can’t believe that Allan’s actual anti-semitism flows through these threads and goes uncommented on by people who are claiming that camp in Norway was a hotbed of anti-semitism.

    If someone can show me that Allan was on the speakers list for the camp, I’ll retract my defense of the Labour Party Camp in Norway.

  23. Allan

    Even if Hollywood is dominated by Jews, so what. They clearly have the talent and ability to make the entertainment that the world has enjoyed for decades. Nobody can seriously claim that the Jews have little talent and have forced the gentiles out and dragged the film industry down. If they dominate it, it’s because they have the culture and ability and skill to do so. Well done to them.

  24. Colm – do Jews have 35x the talent of non-Jews, and it’s not just Hollywood that they dominate. The Fed, Wall Street, the economy, the mainstream media corporations: these aren’t institutions of no consequence. Let’s have a look:

    Who Controls the Treasury Department?

    Of the twenty-five(25) U.S. Treasury Department senior officials, eighteen(18) are Jews. This is a numerical representation of 72%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the U.S. Treasury Department senior officials by a factor of 36 times.

    http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-wall-street/

    Of the fifty-one(51) senior executives of the major Wall Street banks, trade exchanges, and regulatory agencies, thirty-seven(37) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 72%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major Wall Street banks, trade exchanges, and regulatory agencies by a factor of 36 times.

    Who Controls the News? (Part 1)

    Of the sixty-seven(67) senior executives of the major television and radio news networks, forty-seven(47) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 70%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major television and radio news networks by a factor of 35 times.

    Who Controls the Economy?

    Of the sixty(60) senior officials of the U.S. Government economic, financial, and monetary institutions, thirty-eight(38) are Jews. This is a numerical representation of 63%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior officials of the U.S. Government economic, financial, and monetary institutions by a factor of 31.5 times.

  25. Frankly, Allan, even if all of what you say is true, SO WHAT? That’s what I really don’t understand, ie, your aversion to the Israelites having so much influence. “The Jews”, as a society, as a race, as a people, as a country, they encapsulate almost every good aspect of what I would aspire to. Democratic, shrewd, tolerant, adaptive, intelligent, humorous, an all-round force for good in the world. What the heck is your real problem with the Jews?

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