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MUSLIMS AND ATHEISTS….

By ATWadmin On July 16th, 2007

Did you read that America’s first Muslim congressman has provoked outrage by apparently comparing President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler and hinting that he might have been responsible for the September 11 attacks?

Addressing a gathering of atheists in his home state of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, a Democrat, compared the 9/11 atrocities to the destruction of the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1933. This was probably burned down by the Nazis in order to justify Hitler’s later seizure of emergency powers. "It’s almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."

So, rather than just accept that it WAS Muslims who planned and executed the events of 9/11. Muslim congressman Ellison prefers to blame Bush and accept the plaudist from the atheists.

35 Responses to “MUSLIMS AND ATHEISTS….”

  1. Ellison demonstrates that some Muslims are capable of idiocy, just as Bush demonstrates the same for some Christians.

  2. This post is agood example of how people look at something and jump right on the "fight" wagon…. without thinking, listening, or questioning. all communication is shut down.

    http://newsbusters.org/node/14103

    I am not defending anyone or anything other than "communication" which is the opposite of arguing and the overflow of opinion spueing flooding the world.

    He never said it was NOT muslim terrorists who are responible for 9/11 ….. nor did he put blame on Bush…. and his comparison was with an event not nazism.

  3. Here’s Ellison’s response reported at http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/node/5602

    U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison responded to critics of his comments at an Atheists for Human Rights meeting last Sunday in a letter to the editor [Fri, 07/13/2007] in the Star Tribune.

    Ellison’s letter:
    Wrong response to 9/11

    This past Sunday I spoke to constituents about religious tolerance and the erosion of civil liberties in a post-9/11 America. It is precisely in the aftermath of a tragedy like 9/11 that we must be most vigilant about our precious civil liberties. Unfortunately, some have tried to misconstrue my remarks.

    Obviously, Osama bin Laden and the hijackers who carried out the murderous events are responsible for 9/11. The question is, however, how do we respond to this tragedy? With fear and rage? Or with courage and reason?

    I’m for courage and reason.

    This means that in the aftermath of 9/11, instead of invading Iraq, President Bush should have responded militarily where necessary, but even more so, diplomatically, and with all of our intelligence resources.

    If the president had embraced the good will of the post 9/11 world to marshal an international effort to eliminate the terrorist cells responsible for this heinous act, we wouldn’t be mired in a five-year war. We could have effectively eliminated Al-Qaida instead of creating a virtual recruiting station for them in Iraq. As it is, we may need years to shake off the taint of Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, FISA violations, Patriot Act encroachments and other Bush administration failures.

    And finally, America would still be viewed around the world as the beacon of hope and opportunity — where tolerance, diversity and generosity are celebrated. These are the pillars of our democracy, and they have made and kept us strong at home and abroad throughout our history.

    U.S. REP. KEITH ELLISON, WASHINGTON

  4. David I don’t understand you linking Atheism with Muslims.

    Atheism is punsishable by death under Sharia.

    If i didnt know better you were saying that Christians were superior to atheists.

    Atheism is just knowing there religion is just fanciful poppycock.

  5. Makes me laugh…YouTube is full of "9/11 conspiracy" videos made by teens thinking they’re being dead clever and that they know the secrets the gov’t won’t tell you!

  6. Of course, in America, and athiesm is almost soley politically linked to the democrat party because many religious republicans are brought up to think that not believing in god is aking to worshipping Satan!

    Many many british conservatives are atheists, and many christians here are left-wing.

  7. Here’s a huge jerry can of petrol for the fire;

    From a great blog, Vox Popoli;
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/07/thinking-unthinkable.html

    Bane and numerous others find it impossible to believe that the current administration is capable of doing what its predecessors did:

    http://patdollard.com/2007/07/14/ron-paul-assclown/

    "Republican presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul, said the country is in “great danger” of the U.S. government staging a terrorist attack or a Gulf of Tonkin style provocation, as the war in Iraq continues to deteriorate.

    The Texas congressman offered no specifics nor mentioned President Bush by name, but he clearly insinuated that the administration would not be above staging an incident to revive flagging support."

    Read the comments. They’re like frightened cattle mooing because the meat-packing factory for which they are headed made an unexpected noise that scared them silly, but they don’t offer any evidence or even any logic in defense of their position that it is absolutely impossible for the U.S. government to stage a false flag event in order to drum up support for its foreign policy.

    Never mind the fact that false flags are known to have been staged during the McKinley, Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson administrations, proposed during the Kennedy administration and openly discussed by Bush during his first term in office.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/the%20white%20house%20memo/161410

    By the way, the link shows how Bush also let the cat out of the bag about the illegitimacy of the US war on Iraq: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

    In other words, firing on US planes was never a breach of the peace treaty because there was no treaty between Iraq and the USA, the only treaty was between Iraq and the United Nations.

  8. jonz,
    I havent looked too much into Ellison but I would gather from this he is both muslim and secular, maybe attempting to bridge some long overlooked religious trench everyones been so busy digging and falling into.

    like what you say about "atheists" automaticaly being linked to satan worshipers … but I wish you would get over the Sharia thing, its kind of the same blind assumtion dont you think?

  9. What an eejit. At least ugly Betty can feel better now, some one else has made a bigger gaffe than her.

  10. No lie can live forever.

    I guess there are some people who still think JFK was shot by Oswald’s magic indestructable bullet, the same brand no doubt that allowed Sirhan Sirhan to kill his Robert Kennedy with a shot one inch from his ear when Sirhan was standing a few yards ahead, or maybe that the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" that led to the Vietnam War actually happened.

  11. "I wish you would get over the Sharia thing, its kind of the same blind assumtion dont you think?"

    What do you mean? Assuming what? Sharia does state the death penalty. I can provide evidence for you if you do not believe me.

  12. Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.

    All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate must be executed. A female apostate may be put to death, according to some schools, or imprisoned, according to others.

  13. I dont ask for proof that its there …. I ask for proof all and every muslim in the world believe that as a fundamental principle without question exception etc…

  14. I may regret this, but what is the Muslim link to atheists other than the Congressman was addressing a group composed apparently of atheists?

  15. Who said that?!

    Ellison may not be an Islamist.. but people question his motives. Which is not inexplicable given world affairs.

    He has not renounced Islam… I don’t doubt these guys are painting a very bad picture of him with little information. Maybe he’s ok.

  16. one thing I dont agree with is he labels our current involvment in Iraq an occupation.

  17. Mahons,

    My only reference to Atheists was in the context of Ellison addressing this group of them! I was NOT having a go at the non-believing types. (Mind you…..gulp…..come to think of it…nah….)

  18. Yes. Current involvement sounds nicer, almost casual. Like dating soemone but not seriously.

  19. David – funny. I thought perhaps atheists bowed down on a rug and faced nothing in particular five times a day.

  20. well mahons… like everything I guess it depends on how you look at things….

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=RNFA,RNFA:1970–2,RNFA:en&defl=en&q=define:involvement&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

    "involvment"? casual? hummm… is this test multiple choice? and whos grading it?
    shall I look up "occupation" for you as well?

  21. Lone Star – In light of how events unfolded an occupation in the spirit of post-war Japan may have been a better course of action. Not the incompetent one we have sadly witnessed.

  22. wtf! Not an occupation? what is it, a slumber party?

  23. Interesting metaphor there, Mahons. What is a "religion" after all? One definition (or part-definition) is "something you put your trust in, and cling to, and follow after". Phrased like that, I think we all bow down to something or other. whether it be the salary, the home improvements, the car, the Playstation, the football team, environmentalism, anti-Zionism, recycling, or a traditional religion. No-one is truly detached from a god of one sort or another.

  24. I can agree with incompetent.
    Only cant decide whats worse … that we busted in without thinking or that we can even concider leaving in the same manner.

    occupation would mean there is some control … dont see that? … actually think it would be good to have an actual occupation of some kind at this point from someone whos involved.
    I said already I dont know much about this congressman but think he asks some good questions, shame how people are looking at him.

  25. Tom – true.

    Lone Star – well, I have doubts about Ellison politically, although I have no problem with him being Muslim.

  26. Lucky for you david otherwise you’d incur the wrath of Mildly Annoyed Atheists (MAD).

  27. I’m as MAD as hell, and I’m not going to take this any more!

  28. To all Atheists,

    I’ll pray for you 😉

  29. In defence of atheism, we may laugh at all religions but we don’t kill in the name of our non-belief. Can you imaginge an atheist flying a plane into a building shouting Darwin is great?

  30. and to all "religous"types…. I pray for you.

  31. LOL Good point Peter.It would be an ironic scenario wouldn’t it? Survival of the fittest… If we did have an atheist doing that it would be natural selection in action…Out with the stupid!

  32. Lone Star

    Who will you be praying to ?

  33. Thanks David. Could you pray for my bank balance too while you’re at it? It’s in a shocking state. Would need a miracle to turn that around.

    (If I come in to large amount of money shortly after this I will promptly convert over to chrisitanity)

  34. Jonz…and a large donation to ATW, I trust!

  35. colm,
    why would you ask a question like that?
    I will be praying to god of the all… if your looking for a label from that … christian agnostic