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So when the clowns from the local Council attempt to tell me that I should move out of my own home in order to ‘free up’ unused bedrooms, and move into ‘suitable sheltered accommodation’ , will I be then arrested for attempting to disobey the word from ‘on high’, or will the armed thugs who seem to be on permanent call simply bundle me and my wife into their black vans and take us to a ‘home’?

Where are the cries from the ‘Liberal Elite’ that government plans to deprive ordinary Englishmen of their freedom and property are as welcome as leprosy? These proposals are being made in all sincerity by people who are supposed to be Tories!

The question, as asked in the Economic Voice blog is quite reasonable; “‘How long before the elderlyvolunteers’ become the elderly encouraged and then the elderly morally blackmailed being forced out because they are made to feel that they are not worthy to stay in the home they paid for?’

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41 thoughts on “Definition….encouraged (when voiced by a minister)

  1. “Where are the cries from the ‘Liberal Elite’ that government plans to deprive ordinary Englishmen of their freedom and property are as welcome as leprosy?”

    They’re not planning on being evicted by the state from their own homes. That kind of thing is for the little people.

  2. I agree with you, Mike; this sort of proposal is absolutely vile.

    But isn’t this just indicative of ‘where we are at’ in 2012, in terms of our wishy-washy political ideas? What I mean is that 150 years ago, such a wicked proposal would have been instantly shot down, because people would instantly see it clearly for what it is: State-sanctioned theft of private property, no more, no less.
    But now that we have endured 60+ years of the welfare state, NHS, state education, etc etc….Have we become so habitualised by the state extorting our private earnings via taxation and redistributing it ‘on our behalf’, that we can no longer grasp this basic fact?
    Depriving an Englishman of his/her private property is theft, whether that property is bricks and mortar, or pounds sterling. Only when we recognise this, will we be as outraged in the fullest sense that we ought to be.

  3. Anyone that starts such a conversation with me or mine may not like the response they receive.

    This is a bad road that has Harare or Havana at the end of it.

  4. “will I be then arrested for attempting to disobey the word from ‘on high’, or will the armed thugs who seem to be on permanent call simply bundle me and my wife into their black vans and take us to a ‘home’?”

    .. in your case a home for the maniac paranoid.

  5. I can predict when a Mail article is linked to a ATW post every time. The fact that they didn’t claim the government wants to remove the elderly from their homes and turn them into pet food or Soylant Green means someone at the Mail was asleep at the wheel.

  6. Was the Housing Minister misquoted?

    Unless he was, then there’s a story here.

    ” Meeting the housing needs of the elderly”!!

  7. Michael,
    For a start you might want to consider changing your ethnicity?
    (Check out your Scots ancestry, or make yourself “British” instead of English..
    Then you could perhaps firm up on your attitude.
    Get violent and aggressive.
    Shout a lot –
    Swear
    (pretend that since watching Dead Enders on a regular basis you’ve developed Tourette’s Syndrome..)

    Tell ’em you can’t read, f’rinstance.

    You see,
    Local Government is run either by very nice middle class people who rapidly wilt in the face of a threat to “smash yer face in, you stupid c**”
    OR
    you could aim your pitch towards
    Guardianista inspired Yooman Rights/ Anti Discrimination/ Anti Racist/ Anti Everything Officers, who may feel the need to justify drawing their monthly pay cheque.
    Make it clear that your children/grandchildren/extended family/tribe/brotherhood regularly come to visit, and that those visits are essential to your well-being and yooman rights.
    Whatever you do, DON’T go into sheltered housing. I used to run one, and unless you are a fan of “Waiting for God”, best avoided. 🙂

  8. Mahons is the only person here so far who actually seems to have understood the proposal. There is no threat to force elderly people out of their homes at all. No theft, no force, no demands at all.

  9. Phantom – misquoted? I don’t know, you have to scroll through the other people they cite until you get to where they actually quote him.

    I don’t like the idea of a program that would encourage people to leave their homes, but there might be something of value in a program that assisted those who were leaving their homes from losing them. I think of all those predatory nursing homes here in the US that have people sign their homes over to them.

    But I am not sure a government program is needed to take over the rentals as suggested in the article.

  10. Colm

    There may be a very thin line indeed between ” suggestions ” to the frail elderly and instructions to them from those in authority.

  11. Colm,
    I can tell you now that where I lived before as a Town Councillor I had people who had been “encouraged” to leave their council houses in London to make room for people with bigger families.
    They were relocated to little bungalows on the fringe of our town, and I had to organise meetings with housing officials to get their properties modernised.
    Maybe they aren’t forced to move, but that generation had a moral social conscience that made them feel obligated to move.
    They didn’t go out and RIOT and smash the place up, because they felt discriminated against or ignored..

  12. I believe that.

    It is a great social evil to have so much council housing — and here, you can see, just over the horizon, a world where privately owned housing will be seen as a ” social asset “.

    It happened in Cuba. And it to some extent has long been the case in NYC and some other places in the US, where rent controls and permanent leases handed down to the generations, have been in effect for almost a century.

  13. Phantom,
    I was brought up on a council estate (social housing) after WW2. My parents were good people, they looked after the property, paid their bills etc.
    In fact for that generation who had been conscripted to defend the country and had been brought up with Christian values, they acted responsibly and most worked for their living.

    Subsequent generations were encouraged to believe the State owed them a living. It became acceptable to live on benefits, and to demand more -courtesy of the taxpayer.

    In short, the English lost their sense of independence and aspiration, and settled down to a state funded, couch potato, whinging and feckless existence. 🙂

  14. This is still scaremongering nonsense. The housing minister has simply suggested that local councils become involved in assisting elderly people who don’t qualify for paid for home care to utilse the value of their homes to assist them in paying the costs they have to pay. This is not remotely about forcing people to leave big homes or the state ‘thieving’ property.

  15. You can tell that the article is full of crap by the fact you have to look so hard to find out what the actual proposal is.

    No one is being forced to anything, and what is being offered actually seems like a good thing.

  16. Wait a minute? A scandal-driven journal exaggerated something to the point of sensationalism to increase readership? That is unheard of!

    I am telling Charles Foster Kane on them.

  17. Crap Colm!
    On one hand the state encourages people to work, pay their taxes and aspire to home ownership.
    On the other hand they take those mugs tax money, and use it to fund a vast Benefits culture which PAYS our own British ill educated young people NOT to work.
    Then they IMPORT foreign workers from all over the world to do the jobs ours are unwilling or unable to do.
    Then they INVITE the world’s poor, sick, uneducated, persecuted, religiously bigoted to come and set up shop in England’s “green and pleasant land”.
    They often give them priority housing, cater for umpteen languages in our school system, play down our history and cultural values so as not to offend religious and cultural sensibilities.
    Then they tell our own people who have scrimped and saved to buy their own home,
    gone without cars or holidays, eschewed the latest trainers or flat screen tv’s and sacrificed to give their kids the best life chances possible, to SELL that home in order to enter the care system -mostly staffed by FOREIGN workers..!!
    NO NO NO!!
    Enough is enough.

  18. Maybe some would like The Telegraph:

    “Elderly homeowners will be encouraged to downsize to smaller properties and allow councils to rent their homes to local families under Coalition plans to ease the nation’s housing crisis.”

    To which the correct response is, piss off.

  19. “but that generation had a moral social conscience that made them feel obligated to move.”

    Agit8ed, so if you think that anything that obliges them to move is evil, which you clearly do, then direct your ire at that “moral social conscience”.

  20. Corporal Cunningham,
    It’s amazing how selective you can be.
    Look at what I said again, and then comment.
    I don’t think it’s EVIL, I think it’s illogical.

  21. Pete – That “quote” is a subheading, no?

    It looks like the effort is an attempt to deal with two issues – the plight of the elderly who are can’t downsize or have difficulty in doing so, and the hosuing shortage. I don’t think it is very sinister.

  22. Pete,
    Interesting link.
    WHY IS there a housing crisis?!
    Because our governments are OBSESSED with importing workers and ‘fugees, that’s why!
    If you cut out the immigration factor, encourage our own to train for professions they say we have to import, there would BE no housing crisis.

    As I have said before, if your government INSISTS on importing Somalian goat herders and their extended families, then of course there will be a housing shortage.
    All this stuff is linked, and it is the conscientious citizens who are being forced to pay for it all. whilst being made to feel racist or “little Englanders”.

  23. PS
    I have NOTHING against Somalian goat herders.. it was a slight exaggeration, but the fact is that it is not unusual for many of our new British people to have much bigger families..

  24. The whole housing system is a mess and while individual pensioners have not done anything wrong, the effect of government policies of the last 30 years has been to inflate a house price bubble which in effect transfers wealth from the young to the old.

  25. Ross,
    The point is that the UK is HOOKED on Benefits and Immigration, and all that costs a whole heap of money.
    It is not the fault of “old generation British people” who were taught to be responsible, work hard, save and buy their own property. It is the Benefits culture which has become an absolute MONSTER and attracts people from all around the world, like wasps to a honeypot.
    Why do you think we are having to borrow so much money just to stay afloat? Why do you think the price of fuel and heating are so high?
    Because the government has such huge social benefits bills to pay.

  26. Agit8ed –

    Yes, importing Somali goat herders has marginally impacted the housing market (as well as one or two North London neighbourhoods). However the greatest impact on housing is from both the planning system, which we can trace directly to the 1946 Town & Country Planning Act (thanks, commies) and the ongoing refusal to allow interest to be set by natural market forces in money.

    The former severely restricts the supply of land for housing, the latter significantly inflates demand.

    Yes, the housing balls up is yet another balls up which can be attributed directly to government.

  27. If, as Shapps suggests, there exists two distinct groups: (a) a bunch of elderly homeowners who want to “downsize” (why can’t they just say “move to a smaller house”?) and (b) loads of people who want to rent rooms, then surely there’s an excellent opportunity for both groups to do private business with each other, as each has what the other wants. Why the hell does either group need any help from the government to conduct their business with each other?

  28. Agit8ed- who created the benefits culture? It was done in stages but the most decisive step towards creating a welfare state was the election of the Attlee government, which was done by people who are now elderly.

  29. Agit8ed

    You are arguing about a dozen different topics here , immigration, welfare, culture generational changes, as oppose to dealing with the actual truth or not of Mike Cunningham’s scaremongering post about elderly people being dragged from their homes and tossed into the poorhouse.

  30. Pete,
    Cut out the immigration factor and the pressure to build new homes would disappear,
    Native Brits are having smaller families because they can’t afford more kids. The system steals their money in order to finance our foreign imports of “essential workers” and EU job seekers.
    Why do you think so many big cities are becoming minority English populated?
    Why do you think so many schools are struggling to cope with increasing numbers of languages and abilities??
    It’s not the town planning, it’s a system that’s buckling under the pressure of too big a population – fuelled by uncontrolled immigration.

  31. Colm,
    “You are arguing about a dozen different topics here , immigration, welfare, culture generational changes, as oppose to dealing with the actual truth or not of Mike Cunningham’s scaremongering post about elderly people being dragged from their homes and tossed into the poorhouse.”
    But they are all related!
    Ross,
    We don’t live in a true democracy…

  32. “Native Brits are having smaller families because they can’t afford more kids.”

    Now that is absolute rubbish. It is a well known fact that affluence results in fewer children, always, in all circumstances throughout the world. It is and always has been the poor who have the most children.

  33. “Of course I suspect Colm has his eye on Chez Ernest for some time now.”

    Whereas, mahons, in your country Pete is hoping an oldie will take over the house of a much younger man and his family.

  34. Noel – nice one. But of course the White House is not mentioned in the Constitution so I imagine Pete’s Senior Citizen will refuse to reside there.

  35. Let me think….when I was looking for a place to rent, and my landlord was looking for a suitable tenant, he interviewed me, and obviously concluded that I would be a suitable tenant, according to his own criteria (whatever that was…he didn’t tell me, nor did I demand that he did so) and we shook hands, and here we are. He lets, I rent, deal done.
    How could the government have possibly helped either of us do business with each other?
    Unless…..unless the government wanted to distort that market in some way? Perhaps make my landlord choose a tenant that he would not have ordinarily chosen of his own free will? Yes, I think I can see how the government wants to “help” facilitate free trade here.

  36. How could the government have possibly helped either of us do business with each other?</blockquote

    Managing a property is a lot of work, you have to deal with repairs, making sure rent comes in on time, responding if complaints are made by neighbours etc.

    For an elderly person that may not be easy.

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