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Take your ice-pick

By Mike Cunningham On January 24th, 2012

When it comes to a choice between two cynical lying bastards, We usually have to rein our minds, and remember that both Blair and Hain routinely lied for a living; both being senior Labour politicians.

But when Peter Hain states categorically that Blair sanctioned a secret deal which would have ended the three-hundred year British control over Gibraltar, I tend to believe the South African liar over the perma-tanned ex-Labour leader liar..

Knowing that the Labour movement deeply dislikes any idea that people who live overseas voluntarily give their allegiance to the British Crown, I find Hain’s story totally credible. I also believe that he publishes this sort of deeply-divisive story purely for personal political gain.

There does seem to be a motto or a saying relevant to this deeply-revolting pair; something along the lines of ‘when thieves fall out’,

12 Responses to “Take your ice-pick”

  1. Although Hain is a liar I’d be surprised if Blair hadn’t done such a thing.

    Even among some high competition, he’s the most deceitful, duplicitous, dishonest and slippery prime minister in our history. There’s not a lie he wouldn’t have told, nor a nation he wouldn’t have sold out for one day’s political gain. If it enriched him or put him to some corrupt advantage, he would happily send a million people to their deaths. He is the very worst.

    Happily, the Treason Felony Act still exists.

  2. Shameful if true and I see no reason for Peter Hain to make it up as he’s not known for being hostile to Blair.

  3. There have been ongoing negotations regarding the Rock for a couple decades at least, so it is hardly a Blair initiative (although The Blair Switch Project cries out to be the title of this post).

    If memory serves, and sometimes it doesn’t, some sort of joint control has been the idea all along, with British Citizenship available to the citizens of said rock if they wish to have same. What has changed?

  4. Madrid tried to open negotiations with John Major. He told them to bugger off. I doubt they’d have got far with Margaret Thatcher if they tried.

  5. Pete – Um they did negotiate wit hMajor and Thatcher. Thatcher, correctly in my view, had certin terms that were not subject to the negotation, which included the will of the people of Gibraltor. But her government negotiated on the issue.

  6. Why the fuss. We’re all (Spaniards, Brits and Gibbys alike) happy citizens of the EU (our real masters) anyway 🙂

  7. Mahons –

    She’s hardly likely to say the opposite, that it’d be handed over whatever the people think. There’s a long way between her position and Blair’s plotting.

  8. Pete – So now we agree that she was negotiating and Major didn’t say bugger off. Got it. I’ve no idea what Blair considered, I find it unlikely he would have attempted a sharing agreement that didn’t guarantee the rights of the good folks of the Rock to stay subjects of Her Majesty.

  9. Mahons –

    John Major said: “The Spanish Foreign Minister raised that matter informally with my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State, as indeed he had done on a previous occasion. My right hon. and learned Friend rejected the idea, because such a proposal did not and would not have the consent of the people of Gibraltar.”

    It sounds like Mrs Thatcher’s diplomatic brush off.

    Blair’s consideration is linked to in Mike’s post.

  10. Pete – It really isn’t a brush off if talks have been ongoing for decades (with Conservative and Labour at the helm). I haven’t seen anything definitive that reveals Blair would have somehow agreed to a power-sharing without the safeguards that Thatcher or Major would have required.

  11. @ Pete Moore…
    Pity Thatcher wasn’t so quick on telling the Republic of Ireland to bugger off when she willingly signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement without even asking the people of Northern Ireland?

  12. JM- I think the Agreement was a mistake but there is a difference between Gibraltar and the Falkands where the population is almost unanimous is rejecting a change in sovereignty and Northern Ireland where a significant minority does want a change.