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While orbiting the Florida Primary campaign former Speaker Newt Gingrich announced his plan for a moon colony by his “second term” in 2012.  While Florida has significant ties to the history of the US space program, it is unclear if Newt was merely being his grandiose self, or if he was trying to capture the celestial vote.  I would think he had enough press regarding his affection for heavenly bodies, but one never can fully read his mind.  But he isn’t one for…ahem…small steps.

He spoke about 13,000 Americans on the proposed lunar colony who could then petition for statehood.  I wish I had made that up.  But Newt is his own Hal.

The Moon (and outer space) is by treaty the province of all mankind.  But the Darth Vader of Republican Politics sees it as the 51st State.  Imagine the primary there!  Even Romney would have a hard time paying for the travel costs.  I would be concerned that nasty debates and attack ads might disturb the sea of tranquility, but a Moon Primary would eclipse any other primary (although there is a greater chance of Martians in Iowa).

Could this be a real proposal, or was he joking?  Is this a sign of Newt’s lift off or of Newt’s Houston we have a problem?  Tired of buying rocks for his current wife at Tiffany’s is he thinking it would be less expensive to purchase moon rocks?  Is he lost in space?  Or has he found the secret to election?  Have we gone from hope and change to infinity and beyond?  I think most Republicans, even those with affection for Newt, might try to reach out to him and suggest a more Earth-centric platform in these difficult times.  Newt phone home.

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83 thoughts on “Howling At The Moon – Goodnight Newt.

  1. Nice bit of writing Mahons,
    I hope you are going to explore your talent further.
    Of course you have chosen a subject (Ging)rich with opportunities..
    It could be he is trying to catch the peoples’ imagination, lift them out of the realm of grappling with noit knowing what else to do to solve America’s problems.
    I suspect he won’t even achieve “Lift Off!” with this one….

  2. The time will come when we will colonise space and a moon base is a stepping stone in that direction. Can you imagine the future battles with the Greens (or should it be the Dusty Greys) when it comes to mining the Moon and then the Asteroid Belt? It will happen though whether the Moon Colony will petition for Statehood I cannot determine. They may wish to join the UN instead.

  3. Mahons, you’re a laugh a second.

    Conservative enthusiasts for this venture should, however, note that this new(t) colony (Newtville?) will be based on its founder’s political world view and record, and will thus have lunar state health insurance, bailouts, lunar lobbying for a state-run mortgage bank, public-funded further ventures to the asteroid belt and mandatory Open Marriage on the statute books.

    BTW, mahons, speaking of matters stellar, I trust we can look forward to your on-the- spot report from the Academy Awards bash?

  4. Strange, I don’t remember François Gringrich and his inspiring Grands Projets on the stump in Iowa, NH and SC. Is there a connection between Florida and space programmes?

    Come on, the deficit is over $15 trillion and rising. He’s tempting the locals with completely unobtainable baubles. GWB came out with the same old guff a few years ago and that, predictably, went nowhere.

  5. Noel – I am awaiting ATW’s accounting department’s preapproval of my expenses for the trip to Hollywood for the Academy Awards.

  6. first off at least he would know it was the 51st state according to Obama he campaigned in all 57.

    No other program has enhanced our life more than the space program, it is the only thing besides the military the government ever did right. This very argument we are having is a direct result of the american space program.

    Hey Pete you want to know a truth? Your last part of your statement shows why your society keeps sinking and ours will turn around.

    We are Americans, we have gone to the moon, we will go again. We will turn our economy around as yours continues to descend into a socialist swamp. Americans can and will do great things that no other nation can Why, because we’re Americans…. ain’t it a bitch…lol

  7. Agit8ed – Thanks, nice use of (Ging)rich yourself.

    Noel – Next thing he’ll be doing Miami Sound Machine karaoke.

  8. Troll – We aren’t having an argument, we are having a laugh at your boy’s wild musings. Try to lighten up and stop being an Apollogist (hee hee) for everything Newt-related.

  9. While were bashing Newt lets look at some of the things his competition has said. The man Mahons supports.

    Let me see,

    Obama told the truth about closing Gitmo in his first year. (Still open)
    Obama told the truth about being a 1 termer if he did not meet his lofty goals. (He didn’t and is running).
    Obama told the truth about the stimulus holding unemployment below 8% (currently at 9.5% officially).
    Obama told the truth that you could keep your doctor and insurance under Obama-care. (Riiiiiight)
    Obama told the truth that Obama care would reduce costs. (Business you would rather pay a fine now).
    Obama told the truth about Fast and Furious. (Just ask Eric Holder).
    Obama told the truth about bailing out GM. (Chevy Volt. Nuff said)
    Obama told the truth about energy independence for the US (Oil drilling ban, pipeline ban, coal mine ban).
    Obama told the truth about the security of our borders. (just look at Arizona).
    Obama told the truth about no amnesty (but has stopped deportations).
    Obama told the truth about his college education (let’s see the transcripts).
    Obama told the truth about his Social Security. (For a Hawaiian, why does he have one from another state.
    Obama told the truth about his college studies. (Why did he study in Pakistan?)
    Obama told the truth about the stimulus helping the economy. (Are YOU better off today?)
    Obama told the truth about being a Christian……………

    and those are just off the top of the head, Gingrich is under attack from both the left and the right, Romney is supposed to be our man just like McCain(traitorous scum) had to be. They must stop him in Fla. we shall see won’t we, those damn voters keep messing up the plan

  10. Mahons you never presented your case as to why I was wrong on the watergate post, as the joker once said “what’s the matter, your balls fall off?” go back and read my response to you and please show your a man of integrity and present your case.

  11. Troll – why not just type:

    “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy” a few million times instead for your own Shining moment?

    And the cow jump over the moon.

  12. Troll – you are asking why a rogue Democratic political operative who allegedly engaged in some sort of attempt of identity theft of the Iowa Secretary of State is not the equivalent of the Watergate break in? Read All The Presidents Men.

  13. did you see the Romney advisor, you know the guy who lost his seat to Al Franken came out and said “oh no matter what we say, there’s no way were going to repeal Obamacare” and this man is a paid Romney advisor

  14. I have read it, and you obviously did not read my post or the arrest report, he was not a rogue, he was operating on behalf of the democrat party to create dirt on an opponent to aid the Democrat party. Which is exactly what the minor operative that broke into the watergate offices were doing.

    now if you want that little quip to be your stance, that the same ctimes and acts aren’t the same fine, I’ll let it stand. It just goes to aiding my point that you are lousy at defending anything with facts, evidence, or even theory.

    Your lazy

  15. here is something I read you might enjoy….

    15 Questions The Mainstream Media Would Ask Barack Obama If He Were A Republican

    During the practically endless series of Republican debates, we have heard almost every question imaginable asked to Republican candidates – if by every question imaginable, you mean horribly slanted, often irrelevant questions designed to make them look bad and help Obama. We’ve heard questions about contraceptives, religion, Newt’s angry ex-wife, Gardasil, etc., etc., etc. So, what would happen if the mainstream media treated Barack Obama the exact same way that they treat Republicans? The questions might sound a little something like this.

    1) Numerous Mexican citizens and an American citizen have been killed with weapons knowingly provided to criminals by our own government during Operation Fast and Furious. If Eric Holder was aware that was going on, do you think he should step down as Attorney General? Were you aware that was going on and if so, shouldn’t you resign?

    2) In 2010 you said Solyndra, which gave your campaign a lot of money, was “leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future.” Today, Solyndra is bankrupt and the taxpayers lost $500 million on loans that your administration was well aware might never be paid off when you made them. What do you say to people who say this is evidence of corruption in your administration?

    3) Unions invested a lot of time and money in helping to get you elected. In return, they gained majority control of Chrysler, the taxpayers lost 14 billion dollars on General Motors, and General Motors received a special 45 billion dollar tax break. What do you say to people who view this as corruption on a scale never before seen in American history?

    4) Through dubious means, you and your allies in Congress managed to push through an incredibly unpopular health care bill that helped lead to the worst election night for the Democratic Party in 50 years. Since the bill has passed, many of your claims about the bill have proven to be untrue. For example, we now know the bill won’t lower costs and despite your assurances to the contrary, big companies like McDonald’s say they may drop health care because of the health care reform. Since the American people have rejected your health care reform and it doesn’t do what you said it would, shouldn’t you work with the Republicans to repeal it?

    5) When you took office, gas was $1.79 per gallon. Since then, you’ve demonized the oil industry, dramatically slowed offshore drilling, blocked ANWR, and killed the Keystone Pipeline. Now, gas is $3.34 per gallon. How much higher do you anticipate driving gas prices?

    6) Occupy Wall Street has been protesting against Wall Street and the richest 1 percent in America. You are in the top 1 percent of income earners in America and you have collected more cash from Wall Street than any other President in history. So, aren’t you exactly the sort of politician that Occupy Wall Street wants to get rid of?

    7) How do you decide which foreign leaders to submissively bow towards and why do you think that’s appropriate for an American President?

    8) If they could, don’t you think the Nobel Committee would take back the Nobel Peace Prize that you were awarded?

    9) You made bipartisanship one of the central themes of your campaign in 2008. Yet, you’ve worked to push bills through Congress with almost no Republican support, spent much less time negotiating with Congress than George Bush, and you’ve said things like, “But, I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” Why did you decide to break your campaign promise to pursue bipartisanship?

    10) America lost its AAA credit rating for the first time under your watch. What do you think you should have done differently to have prevented that historic failure?

    11) You cut more than 500 billion dollars out of Medicare to fund your wildly unpopular health care reform bill. Given that Medicare is running in the red already, don’t you think it’s irresponsible to cut money out of one entitlement program, that millions of seniors depend on — to put it into a risky new entitlement program?

    12) Back in July, you said, “Nobody’s looking to raise taxes right now. We’re talking about potentially 2013 and the out years.” Since you plan to raise taxes if you’re elected and you’ve had kind words for a value added tax, shouldn’t every American expect a tax increase if you’re reelected?

    13) Why should the American people reelect you when your 10 year budget saddles America with more debt than all previous Presidents combined?

    14) Your stimulus bill cost more in real dollars than the moon landing and the interstate highway system combined. What do we have to show for all of that money spent?

    15) Members of your administration promised that the trillion dollar stimulus would keep unemployment under 8 percent. Instead, we’ve had 35+ months of 8% and above unemployment. Doesn’t that mean we wasted a trillion dollars on nothing?

  16. Troll –

    “We are Americans, we have gone to the moon, we will go again.”

    Not in your lifetime.

    “We will turn our economy around as yours continues to descend into a socialist swamp.”

    Well there’s the rub, I recognise that Britain is a socialist swamp. At least I want it drained. The US is a socialist swamp too, yet your solution is more great socialist programmes for national glory.

    “Americans can and will do great things that no other nation can Why, because we’re Americans…”

    Yes, and because Werner von Braun chose to surrender to American forces in 1945.

  17. The Germans ( as captured by the Russians, and freely associating with the Americans ) played a large role in both the US and Soviet space programs.

    What’s your point?

    Americans by choice have always been part of the family, no less than any other American is. Doctor von Braun became a naturalized US citizen in 1955.

    Always a snarky comment from these Ron Paul guys. No country ever achieved anything as a national effort. Just ask ’em.

  18. Phantom –

    Werner von Braun wasn’t just a brilliant engineer and scientist. He was a Nazi, an SS officer and a wicked man who only avoided the dock because he was spirited to the US and his crimes overlooked.

    When a big gob starts telling me that only Americans have been to the moon and that Americans are the greatest and that Americans achieve more because they’re Americans, I’ll call them out on his bullshit.

    The stars and stripes would have got nowhere near the Moon without von Braun and the scores of other Germans scientists who were allowed to leave Germany and pardoned. Don’t give me bullshit about needing to keep them from the Russians. Many thousands of slaves and civilians were killed because of what they did yet they ended up wealthy and honoured because they chose to work for the American government.

  19. Bullshit! Where is your flag on the moon?

    and the Swastika would be flying over Buckingham Palace if it weren’t for the Americans

  20. But he was an American when he worked at NASA.

    Using his genius to the nation’s full advantage during a period of ( Cold ) War was a correct thing to do.

  21. “von Braun wasn’t just a brilliant engineer and scientist. He was a Nazi, an SS officer”

    Like most men of his calling, he was both a scientist and an opportunist. He needed funds and freedom to realise his dreams and – althogh no Nazi at heart – was prepared to join the party and the SS if it meant he could pursue his scientific goals. Later that scientific freedom entailed the freedom to have men worked to death realising his dreams – again no problem for “hearts with one purpose alone”.

    Some other scientists in the Apollo programme were even more guilty of war crimes than he. They got what they needed first from the Nazis and then later from the Americans. They are in good scientific company when cozying up to politics as a means to an end. The Einsteins and Sagans are in a minority in that community.

    The really ugly part is that von Braun was totally exonerated – the Americans even suppressed incriminating information about him – while other Germans of much lesser guilt were executed or allowed die in captivity.

  22. Troll –

    Your history is abysmal. We’d seen off the Germans by the time you timid yanks had roused yourselves.

    I think it was in SC that Gingrich spoke of how the Axis Powers “were beaten in 3 years and 8 months”. Excuse me? For a historian, he doesn’t know much either.

  23. Pete

    The Wehrmacht was hardly a spent force by the time the timid yanks had roused themselves.

    You may think that you’d have been left in peace forever and ever without a timid yank involvement, but Mr. Churchill and the evil British government at the time would have been astonished to hear such talk.

    For starters, without the timid Yank navy, you’d have been starved into submission by a total blockade of ship transport in and out of Britain.

  24. LOL you staved off the Germans…. you mean all that equipment we sent you, to allow you the ability to stay alive, wasn’t necessary? and the fact that the Germans were sitting right across the Channel from you, well they were there by your leave, and if we didn’t push them back you would have,

    Wait I get it you were waiting for better weather, since they were sitting in france you thought you would fight them the way you fought the french for centuries… only when the weather was nice….lol

    Don’t get me wrong the Brits fought valiantly and longer than we did, England and Israel are the only nations outside our continent worth shedding a drop of American blood to defend.

    but facts are facts without America, England was lost, it may not have been defeated in spirit, due to her people and having the right leader. Militarily though you were fucked without us.

  25. Troll – Very petty performance regarding our magnificent ally Great Britain. Such armchair bombast would never had been tolerated back in the day by those Americans who provided the aid and fought alongside them and came to share their sacrifice and glory when the facist powers were defeated.

  26. I don’t like these types of unproductive discussions.

    Anyone who uses phrases like ” timid yanks ” or who disparages the British war effort in any way displays a shocking and total ignorance of fairly recent history.

  27. Phantom –

    Prior to 1942 we took material only and paid very well for it. By the time the US Navy was escorting merchant ships across the Atlantic (carrying supplies for which we also paid very well) Germany was fighting the Soviet Union and had long forgotten any idea of attempting an invasion of Britain.

    Troll –

    For much of the war you didn’t “send” us any material. We bought it, collected it and shipped it back ourselves.

    Listen, dopey bollocks, from Autumn 1940 onward there wasn’t a chance of Germany attempting invasion. Their opportunity had gone, shot out of the sky in the Battle of Britain.

    But we thank you for stealing Enigma from Berlin and breaking German codes.

  28. yes Mahons my grandfathers and one Uncle who fought in WWII 2 who were involved in D Day would be appalled by Pete’s position.

    I love the way you single me out.

  29. Listen, dopey bollocks, from Autumn 1940 onward there wasn’t a chance of Germany attempting invasion.

    LOL yeah right….

  30. Pete, Pete, Pete

    Britain was given 90% discounts on much of the material shipped. For Christ’s sake, make sense, read a book, do something.

    You rewrite history for an audience that generally won’t catch you on it. Shame on you.

  31. Pete speaks from a deeply uninformed Ron Paul position that is actively hostile to military alliance, even that of the WW2 period

    I am amazed that he goes this far back to try to rewrite the history of WW2 and the essential alliances in place then.

    His position is almost anti British when you dig into it. When you trash one ally, you trash them all. Churchill and Roosevelt and the governments they led could not have worked any closer, and for a lot longer time that some think

  32. Troll – Yes, I shouldn’t have singled you out, but I thought it first appropriate to censure the American bombast. Pete’s infantile claims also demonstrate a contempt for history. I may have to call you Patton and Monty for the rest of the day.

  33. Phantom –

    Yes, large discounts were given on lend-lease items which Britain retained after 1945, also discounts were given as part of the post-war US loan. I was referring to the very good terms FDR got out of Britain in 1942, such as ‘Destroyers for Bases’ programme.

    Be cool, I’m just having some fun. As decent and patriotic as Troll is, I occasionally get the feeling he has a somewhat one-dimensional view of things. How can anyone resist rattling that cage?

  34. And you Americans wonder why most Brits and their other allies sneer at Hollywood’s revisionist rewrite of the history of those times. We all loved it as entertainment, – after all a bit of far fetched fantasy is always amusing, but it seems that you younger folk actually take as gospel.

    Of course we were glad you eventually showed up, and yes, you did a good job, – but didn’t we all?

    What really rankles is that it seems that Americans are unprepared to share the glory, or even to give others some of the credit for the European part of victory, – after all that part of WWII was a joint effort, and Troll’s relatives are far from the only ones to be involved in D-Day.

    The Far East is a different story and one for which you rightly claim the glory.

    Americans have rarely been noted for their reticence in coming forward- one could say it all part of their charm, – if you also accept it as part of their ignorance.

    As for that 90% discount! – total bullshit, it took us the best part of forty years to pay that debt. Perhaps Troll is confusing the aid with, – what was it called? oh! yes the Marshall plan, given to get Germany back on its feet.

  35. ‘large discounts were given on lend-lease items which Britain retained after 1945’

    Not forgetting they were all pretty shop soiled and ‘seconds’ by that time!…

  36. There was no charge for the Lend Lease aid delivered during the war, but the Americans did expect the return of some durable goods such as ships. Congress had not authorized the gift of supplies after the war, so the administration charged for them, usually at a 90% discount. Large quantities of undelivered goods were in Britain or in transit when Lend-Lease terminated on 2 September 1945. Britain wished to retain some of this equipment in the immediate post war period. In 1946, the post-war Anglo-American loan further indebted Britain to the U.S. Lend-lease items retained were sold to Britain at 10% of nominal value, giving an initial loan value of £1.075 billion for the Lend Lease portion of the post-war loans. Payment was to be stretched out over 50 annual payments, starting in 1951 and with five years of deferred payments, at 2% interest.[27] The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million), due on 31 December 2006 (repayment having been deferred in the allowed five years), was made on 29 December 2006 (the last working day of the year). After this final payment Britain’s Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the U.S. for its wartime support.

    from ( the great ) wikipedia.

    FDR had to use all his political wiles to get anything to Britain before the US entered the war, due to the sizable isolationist movement at the time. ” America First ” and its friends. There were actually pro German rallies in the US in those days, including big ones in Madison Square Garden in NYC.

  37. Even without the Americans Britain could not have been beaten in WWII, but without them it could not have won the war in the west either.

    And both of them together could not have won without the Soviets.

  38. The Soviets, who had cut the side deal with Adolf before they were double crossed. They were so unhappy that Herr Hitler actually went back on his word.

    I have a very hard time seeing how Britain could have remained free under what would have been a long lasting German naval blockade.

  39. Noel – Germany would have been defeated without the Soviets, but the cost would have been far more staggering for the US and the UK. The loses on the Eastern Front were devastating. The twist of fate so profound throughout the conflict.

  40. “What really rankles is that it seems that Americans are unprepared to share the glory, or even to give others some of the credit for the European part of victory, – after all that part of WWII was a joint effort, and Troll’s relatives are far from the only ones to be involved in D-Day.”

    I have to agree with you there Ernest.
    It is actually dangerous as well, because it feeds into an uncritical assumption by Americans that America is invincible.
    If us Brits are characterised by cynicism and defeatism, Americans could be described as naive and triumphalist.

    Equally we could view these assumptions as stereotypes, because there are a few exceptions on either side. Our special services are regarded as second to none, but don’t have the resources available to US special forces. But they haven’t got William and Harry 😉

    I would say that Troll represents the “My Country Right or Wrong” wing, and Mahons and Phantom -even Patty- tend to be more thoughtful. Oh yes, I seem to remember a Charles of Texas who was more measured in his thinking.

    We Brits built an Empire and ran it extremely well. and let it go fairly peacefully.
    Our decline as a nation started quite a long time ago, but became more marked after WW2, round about the time we began building a Welfare State -the envy of the world… 🙁

  41. Troll represents a small minority.

    Most Americans don’t know any detailed history at all, so they’re somewhat excused on the matter.

    I miss Charles. He’d better come back.

  42. He represents a small minority even in his Obama loving Democrat voting state of Pennsylvania

  43. Mahons,

    You’ve got that right! – the twist of fate played a much larger part than most realise.

    Given that at one point Hitler was reluctant to engage in a war against GB, and that many in positons of power in GB were also anti any conflict, and were quite friendly to the German regime. Neville Chamberlain was quite pleased with himself in getting the Munich Agreement signed in 1938, and which was popularly received by the public.

    That things changed so rapidily, – as they do when dithering, then as now, was the order of the day, small wonder that fate stepped in, and played her hand!

    I sometimes wonder how differently things may have turned out, – a pointless excercise, I know, but irresistable, – if we hadn’t jumped in when we did. Would it still have escalated into a world war, or would it have been just a number of succesive regional conflicts? More importantly, would we all be better off if it hadn’t all gone so pear shaped? – it seems we are just as globally fragmented and divided now as we were then.

    While it may aggravate Troll to say so, but I doubt that war really solves anything and is probably just Nature’s way of thinning out the population…

  44. It was war and only war that shut down the death camps.

    War, like fire, can be a very good thing.

  45. Newt wants Moon Colony. When enough Yanks there, he wants it to petition to become a State. Much funnier than World War II.

  46. Mahons how can you be so sure germany would still be defeated if they hadn-t invaded russia. I would suggest most historians argue stalingrad is a pivotal moment in the war. Iff that didn’t happen germany’s resources in the west would have been huge and possibly enough to see off D-day

  47. “He represents a small minority even in his Obama loving Democrat voting state of Pennsylvania”

    I think I like Troll,
    but I don’t know if I’d have wanted to share a trench with him – no matter how many second hand warships he promised us Brits… 😉
    Which gets me thinking again of all those dozy Scots Welsh and Irish who now think it’s time to break away from Mother England (http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=28168)
    We all know that Britain’s greatness wasn’t built by the English alone. We all know that many gallant Scots/Irish and Welsh have given their lives in generations of military service to Great Britain, and it irritates the heck out of me that some would rather take the opportunity to abandon the Union now!

  48. Agit8ed,

    ‘Our decline as a nation started quite a long time ago,”

    I always thought that WWI was ‘what did for us’. The total barbarity and mindless violence of that whole episode inflicted such pain, anguish and personal loss to so many millions, that the whole raison d’etre and rationale for ever doing it all again. We could really believe that it was the ‘War to end all wars!’

    Just how stupid could we all be?

    Quite apart from the traditional reason for declaring war, – that of defence of the realm, – a whole raft of new reasons seem to have been found to excuse any bout of barbarism. In fact it bears much resemblance to some sort of crusade rather than a mere question of defence.

    Again – Just how stupid could we all be?

  49. You are probably right Ernest, but I think the mitigating factor for that generation was the sheer lack of communication available then. Most people lived very quiet lives and knew little of what was going on in international politics.
    What is so lovely about our history is that we lived a very distinct and separate life than mainland Europe. A long history of gradual social change, overseen by a rather “paternal” aristocracy and government. It wasn’t great by any means -certainly not for the poor and uneducated; but by and large people were patriotic and aware of their nation’s history.
    The First World War changed all that.
    But there will always be war Ernest, and as Phantom says, the Nazis had to be stopped.,

  50. Cathal – I don’t think anyone could be sure of a hypothetical. However, the US and UK (and others) were able to defeat Imperial Japan without significant help from the Soviets. In my opinion Nazi Germany would have ultimately been overcome by the Anglo-American Alliance, but as I have said it would have been far more difficult.

  51. As did the unspeakable barbarity as practiced by the Japanese in Korea and China and elsewhere.

  52. You know, with people refighting World War II all these years later, maybe the Moon isn’t such a bad place to go.

  53. Strange how the same piece of history gets a different slant according to which country you spent yourt childhood.

    The Irish invariably come up with the Russian story, and how they repulsed the Germans etc. etc. Elsewhere the story goes that it was the severity of the Russian winter which did for Gerry.

    It must have been quite a choice for Irish politicians when Germany met Russia in conflict. From aiding and abetting the former on the basis that ‘your enemy is my friend’, to the latter whose politics they favoured, – on the basis that ‘Anyone is better than Britain’. Small wonder they spend so much time in bars… 🙂

  54. Mahons,

    So that’s what we are doing, refighting WWII, – I thought we were just having a friendly discussion, with differing opinions…

  55. Forget the Moon, Drudge has opened the floodgates on Gingrich and his St Reagan fixation.

    Turns out that Newt wasn’t such a big fan afterall.

  56. Putting aside BS mud-slinging stuff, here’s the Great Divide in the Republican electorate:

    Newt is the Alpha dog fighting for conservative ideas in 2012 – that’s why we Tea Party types love him.

    Romney is a “go along to get along” business dog, fighting to win an election in 2012 – that’s why the people who would like to control the DC power and money are in his corner. It’s not about ideas – it’s about who controls the money and power in DC. Ann Coulter is an idiot.

    So, I’m with Troll now; I hope Newt wins.

  57. I have a very low bar for the Republican nominee, Colm. Beat Obama. That’s it…..if he beats Obama, I will not be disappointed.

    Any of the 4 candidates – Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Paul – would be better Presidents than Barack Obama.

  58. “Any of the 4 candidates – Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Paul – would be better Presidents than Barack Obama.”

    Patty, how do you know?

    Gingrich was for the bailout, for individual mandates in healthcare, is for big govt spending and is very much the Beltway insider. (i.e. very much on the wrong side of the line you and the Tea Partiers were drawing through American politics)

    On the other hand, he is mentally unstable and obviously unable to control his emotions under pressure, favours amnesty for illegal immigrants and has the attitude to marriage of a political Zsa Zsa Gabor.

    Basically, the only difference is that he is clearly more ready to attack Iran.
    But is that so decisive for conservatives?

  59. “how do you know?”

    1. None of the 4 candidates – Santorum, Romney, GIngrich, Paul – attended a racist Black Power church with racist preachers like the Reverend Wright.

    2. None of the 4 studied and taught communist radical “community organizing” a la Saul Alinsky.

    3. None of the 4 want to “fundamentally change” America.

    4. None of the 4 hung out with actual America-hating terrorists like Bill Ayers.

    5. None of the 4 are in the pockets of the Labor Unions.

    Mickey Mouse would be a better President than America-hating Obama.

  60. Patty, so you admit that all that talk of economics and Big Govt/Small Govt etc as spouted by Tea Partiers all those years was bullshit all along!

    None of your gripes has anything to do with economy, four even have nothing to do with his policies, and the other one, your No.3, is absurd. (Or do you really not want to change the way American currently is?)

    Ah well, at least we’ll now be spared all that crap about the evils of

    Big Government (Gingrich)
    the “Beltway elite” (Gingrich)
    the bailouts (Gingrich)
    massive public spending (Gingrich)
    state mandated healthcare insurance (Gingrich)
    undermining traditional marriage (Gingrich)

    The Tea Partiers were obviously fools and entirely unprincipled all along, but even I never guessed just how empty-headed they really were.

    But this blatant hypocrisy won’t be lost on the American electorate, and even though Obama is currently in a very weak positiion, he still won’t be beaten by “Conservative America’s” latest heap of opportunism and general nonsense.

  61. Patty

    You completely lose any argument you could ever have when you refer to an American President ‘hating’ the United States.

  62. To the Moon Alice!

    The President will be re-elected because the Republican Party has decided to embrace the stupidity of a faction of its support. It is that simple. Maybe after the election Newt and his supporters can go settle on the Moon.

  63. ““Imagine weightlessness and its effects and you will understand some of the attractions.”
    -Newt Gingrich

    Apparently he was writing about sex in space at the time.

  64. Newt is the Alpha dog fighting for conservative ideas in 2012 – that’s why we Tea Party types love him.

    After fighting for liberal ideas from from the late 90s until he decided to run for president. To the extent that Tea Party types do love him, it shows that many value empty soundbites ahead of policies.

    Romney is a “go along to get along” business dog, fighting to win an election in 2012 –

    If beating Obama is your number one priority I’d have thought fighting to win an election would be quite useful.

  65. Colm –

    “You completely lose any argument you could ever have when you refer to an American President ‘hating’ the United States.”

    Who says he’s American?

  66. Frank, if that quote was really spoken by Gingrich, then indeed, he is a madman.
    the “attractions” of weightlessness? My goodness, the man is seriously warped.
    We are (in the physical sense) products of our planet, our bodies are designed for life here. We need sunshine and fresh air just the way they are given to us here. It’s a deeply perverted mind that wants to take human life out of its natural environment.

  67. “I think as you look at the speaker’s record over time, it’s been highly erratic,” said Romney during a press conference following a campaign event in Tampa. “You know, he voted in favor of establishing the Department of Education, and yet he gets in a debate and says we should get rid of the Department of Education and send all the education issues back to the states. He’s opposed vehemently to the Massachusetts health care system, and yet just a couple years ago wrote about what a superb system it was.”

    “He’s gone from pillar to post almost like a pinball machine, from item to item in a way which is highly erratic,” said Romney. “It does not suggest a stable, thoughtful course, which is normally associated with leadership.”

    Link here

  68. “fighting to win” is not the same as winning.

    I don’t believe that there will be as much Repub. enthusiasm for Romney as for Gingrich.

    The voter turn-out was “unexpected” and huge in SC (where GIngrich sweeped the floor in spite of being outspent by Romney 10:1 )

    They thought McCain would win – he lost.
    They thought Charlie Crist in FLorida was a winner – he lost.
    Dole – lost.
    etc. etc. etc.

    the point is, the energy in the Republican Party is with the Tea Party types – not the “go along to get along” insiders…

    are people really going to go door to door to get out the vote for Romney? I don’t think so. Ann Coulter thinks so because she is in a little bubble, surrounded by theories and pollsters – but it didn’t work for Meg Whitman, McCain, Crist – it’s not going to work for Romney. I least I don’t think so – who really knows.

  69. it didn’t work for Meg Whitman, McCain, Crist – it’s not going to work for Romney.

    The names Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle and Joe Miller spring to mind for some reason.

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