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REMEMBRANCE DAY SCRAPPED…

By ATWadmin On July 25th, 2007

remem.jpgWhat do you make of the news that the town of Horwich which has held a parade to remember its war dead every year since 1945, will no longer be able to do so thanks to "health and safety rules"? And there are fears that Remembrance Day marches nationwide may be threatened by similar safety demands, which put severe pressure on budgets. Basically, local Councils are hiking the costs of road closures and attendant issues.Steve Rock, of Horwich Town Council, said it did not have the money to help to meet the bill. He said: "People will be upset, but the only way to fund it would be to raise council tax next year."

So, at the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them, but we’ll not do it in public since that would infringe Health and Safety rules??? PATHETIC. We should rise up and chase these losers out of our Town Halls – surely to goodness we owe it those who made the supreme sacrifice that we will NOT be intimidated by the Town Hall Nazis?

33 Responses to “REMEMBRANCE DAY SCRAPPED…”

  1. I’m sure it would be interesting to read a listing of what events Horwich Town Council will continue to fund: immigrants workshops, lesbian parenting awareness seminars etc.

    Absolutely scandalous that the country has slumped to such a state where these little council jobsworths can even suggest cancelling a Remembrance Day parade, never mind actually doing it.

    Surely, at some stage, there has to be a tipping point in England when the people will refuse to accept this anymore.

  2. Come on, there’s no excuse now. Vote BNP. If your not going to do that what are you going to do, write a letter of complaint?

    We are still a nominal democracy, make the most of it while you can i say, i dont expect it to stay this way for long.

    Ill tell you straight, its nothing to do with ‘elf and safety’, its to do with those in power not giving a damn about who we are – not liking who we are. ‘health and safety’ my fat arse. It reminds me of someone who said that the next concentration camps will be set up in the name of human rights.

  3. BNPM,

    I agree that health and safety is merely the cloak used to disguise their hatred of our traditions.

  4. so what are we going to do ?

    we have ex-politicians and a host of professional people on here, we can all spare some time to read some law, draught some pamphlets or investigate a bit of government spending, and I’m sure loads of folks could chip in a few quid……come on, are we really really limited to rhetoric and jolly debates when people are Pissing on our Glorious Dead like this ?

    why don’t we divvy up tasks in trying at least something practical ?

    the smarter ones can read the H&S rules in detail and find the grounds for the decision and the protocols that need to be meet.

    some others can work on suggestions to either side step, ostufticate or comply with the rules on the cheap,

    some others could research under the FOI other avenues of council spending that we could highlight as superflourious and that we could suggest be redirected for the above,

    folks in the locality could try to provoke public support in the area and try make it an electoral issue…….

    come on, we can sit here and say "this is why you should vote for my party" or
    " aww naugh we’re so pissed off"

    – or we could start here, as a group of friends, to try and organise some meaningful challenge to these gimps.

    if my poor old granddaddy could sail to Russia and back umpteen times with gerries blasting torpedoes at him and his mates, and some of the old boys can die (Praising God) for these little islands, surely we can do something ?

    or am I just getting excited because I’m young and silly……..

  5. "ostufticate" ? ? ?

    ‘obstruct’ – thats how excited i am……..

  6. I believe it is still legal to hold a peaceful protest in this country? So long as you don’t do it near anybody in government of course. Well why not call rememberance services protests against forgetfullness and forget about getting the council to close roads – just stand in them. If all else fails – do you need to hold them in the road? Go to a field, or a church hall or something. Of course the whole thing is health and safety Nazi nonsense but it’s not the end of the world either – we beat Hitler, we can find another place to remember our war dead.

  7. "we can find another place to remember our war dead."

    why should manic and dysfunctional legislation be given primacy over the dignified, forthwright, central and public remeberance of those to whom we owe all ?

    Remberance is the closest thing the secular country has to a sacred duty – it should not be preformed in a stiniking barn in the middle of nowhere. The great sacrifice of those men and women deserve better.

  8. A question at PMQs, sypathetically received by GB, suggests that we will soon be unable to determine the temperature of our own bath water. We shall all be thermostatically controlled to prevent parents/guardians allowing their children to get scalded.

  9. Juan we could do all those things but here’s why we shouldn’t.

    Any victory would seem like a ‘victory for common sense’, and even if it was it would just be postponing defeat. Check out "Rogue gunner" on my sidebar, a blog by an ex soldier – his blog is bursting with stories about how our armed forces are treated that would have been inconceivable even 25 years ago. You are proposing playing a game when they control the rules. Tony blair and other prime ministers were about to be brought to court under treason laws in 1998 – so he changed the law. ‘elf n safety’ law which you propose having a look at is similarly vulnerable – every law is. We have a bill of rights that guarantees us the right to carry weapons for self defence but you still get put in prison for it.

    Im not playing at saying ‘my party is better than your party’ really im not, im better than that. Im saying that we need to change our focus from preventing those in power from doing harm to making sure that those in power are doing good – and that’s only going to happen by changing wholesale and vastly shrinking the ruling class, the quango’s, the state employee’s. . .

    Another reason; you can put a frog in cold water, and so long as you increase the temperature slowly, im told that it will sit there until its boiled to death.. But if you just drop one in boiling water or increase the temperature too quickly, the frog will notice and jump out.

    So any effort that is spent mitigating the effects of our ruling class actually helps them because it gives false hope to the people that things might get better without a radical return of power to the people.

    Best,
    G.

  10. Sorry but it has bugger all to do with hating our traditions and everything to do with compensation culture. It even points it out in your article…."another force in the West Midlands was successfully sued when Brownies participating in a parade were injured by a car which drove into them while they were marching". Stop US style compensation culture and you would end this health and safety rubbish.

  11. Juan I’m not defending the decision in the least. I’m only saying that it’s not like rememberance services are going to dissapear as was implied – they will just move location.

    Jenny it’s not that we have a US style compensation culture – if that were true then the DRIVER would have been sued. We have our own unique brand of British compensation culture where, instead of the person who is to blame being sued i.e. the driver, it is instead the government who gets sued because all responsibility has been deligated to them.

  12. People need to get angry in sufficient numbers to do something about it

  13. G,

    I understand your point but I am talking about a method to correct this issue in isolation in the context of our current social structure.

    engaging the system and empowering and motivating people to question it, even in a co-operative sense in this first instance, could be a stepping stone to the bigger fish you have in mind.

    the first step is to get people off their holes with something common sense and easily and safely acted upon like this.

    it may take acute pain to motivate a man to go to the doctor, he will tolerate the chronic until it becomes so, but, what if you can offer him minor relief from that chronic pain, what if you can motivate him via that minor relief to want more of it ?

    cynlib –

    and that’s exactly the grounds I rebuked your statement on.

    remembrance in the town centre, in the daytime and afforded the dignity and prominence it deserves.

  14. terry,

    why not try to motivate them, thats what im saying, we all have such big opinions.

    is that all we have ?

  15. The torch has been passed to a new generation…of idiots. It borders on cultural suicide to allow this type of disgrace to prevail. The council should be hounded with total disdain, night and day by the entire community. And shunned like an Amish family that started a topless disco in their barn. Surely there were far leaner times than this and the parades still went off.

  16. Listen,

    I have no idea where Horwich is but it seems to me that it is up the PEOPLE of Horwich to insist that their Council deals with this.

    Alternatively, why not email the MP Ruth Kelly no less and ask her does SHE support the Council decision?

    Then again, Liberal Democrat Steve Rock quoted in the above story can be contacted at stephen.rock@bolton.gov.uk.

    Off you go – tell ’em what you think and let us know the response!!!

  17. was that for my benifit david ?

  18. Juan,

    It was for the benefit of all who read this and are fed up with the likes of Mr Rock.

  19. I was listening to Mike Mendoza on TalkSport Radio last night and some asshole (Muslim, of course) wrote an anonymous email to the show stating he was glad this was going to happen as he thinks no one should celebrate or remember the British Army, due to them "killing his Muslim brothers & sisters in Iraq". It is terrible to sort of bullshit people in this country have to listen to. Last time I read the papers or listened to the TV or radio, it was Muslim killing Muslim in Iraq. No surprisingly, Mike Mendoza gave him what for.

  20. Samuel: Any chance it was a non-Muslim who wrote the e-mail to stir up just that type of reaction? Incidently, how many members of the subject council are Muslim?

  21. I really can’t say, Mahons, it was sent in anonymously, so it could have been anyone from anywhere just taking the piss. However, it would not surprise me in the slightest if it was some Muslim with a huge chip on his shoulder living in a country he apparently despises.

  22. I initially thought it could have been some IRA loving scumbag on doing their usual whingeing about everything and anything British, but when the part about Muslim brothers & sisters in Iraq was mentioned, you can only draw one conclusion.

  23. Samuel -I’d just treat it as some crackpot who doesn’t even deserve the mention on the airwaves.

  24. Oh dear

    I despair of what to say at stories like this. This is an issue where collectively the ‘professional’ individuals involved should all use their inate decency and respect to deal with this in the following way. The Police chief should ignore the rules about insisting on specific numbers of stewards and close the roads anyway. The council should waive auditers who object to their decision to get stuffed. The war heroes should march with pride and any snivelling little health and safety official or lawyer who objects or tries to sue anyone involved should be roundly told by everyone else from the Police chief down to F*** off !

  25. Oops a chunk of the above was deleted , it should read..

    I despair of what to say at stories like this. This is an issue where collectively the ‘professional’ individuals involved should all use their inate decency and respect to deal with this in the following way. The Police chief should ignore the rules about insisting on specific numbers of stewards and close the roads anyway. The council should waive any fees for road closures and tell any financial auditers who object to their decision to get stuffed. The war heroes should march with pride and any snivelling little health and safety official or lawyer who objects or tries to sue anyone involved should be roundly told by everyone else from the Police chief down to F*** off !

  26. This is pretty dire. I suspect that Jenny is right and it is fear of litigation that is behind this.

    It may turn out that H&S legislation (which I support in principle in terms of wanton carelessness of human life) but this needs to be looked at.

    The way we are going. If anyone wants to destabilise our society, they can do it though H&S route, bit by bit there will be nothing left that we are allowed to do.

  27. This story really is disgraceful. This is no careless accident – this is deliberate (like so much of ZANU-Labour’s policies). These socialists hate our country, our past, our traditions, our heritage, and they seek to deliberately wipe it out. Just like the evil Mugabe of Zimbabwe, whose policies have resulted in total economic meltdown in his country, it is quite deliberate, and is not in any way a result of "incompetence" or "mismanagement". Mugabe knows precisely what he is doing in Zimbabwe, as do the communist~socialists in charge of this country. It is based on utter evil and hatred of our heritage.
    But even if it was merely a case of stupidity and political correctness, still I would say "Damn health & safety and all who sail in her". Human life is unhealthy and unsafe from first principles, and all human endeavours that strive to make any difference (for the better) to our lives, are necessarily unsafe and risky. Long live risk!

  28. Mahons valid suggestion aside,

    "was listening to Mike Mendoza on TalkSport Radio last night and some asshole (Muslim, of course) wrote an anonymous email to the show stating he was glad this was going to happen as he thinks no one should celebrate or remember the British Army"

    the form of opinion expressed in this statement would not be entirely alien to the LibDibs, and the suggestion of legislation being manipulated for a political agenda is not beyond possibility.

    the level of distaste extended to our boys from the anti national elements should not be underestimated.

    (Juan is looking around for the relevant boys in the BL, and drafting a letter and an FOI request btw Mr. Vance)

  29. This is terrible and I hope that everyone gets up and follows Juan’s example.

    The picture conveys the sense of duty and honor that we owe to our military men and women who have died in their service to country. It is really beautiful. I confess that I was momentarily horrified to see the flags on the ground like that. It has a powerful effect on me.

  30. "and that’s exactly the grounds I rebuked your statement on."

    You claim that rememberance services would be abolished by this measure? o_0

    Like I said, I oppose it just as much as you. I was only saying that, counter to the original post, rememberence services would not dissapear, but move. Moving them is undesirable also, but it would be innacurate to say they will no longer take place.

  31. TCL

    ….but this move may be the first step to moving them into history

  32. CL,

    Split all the hairs you want, this sends a very clear signal to all who may consider serving ‘Queen and Country’ – for what ever excuse the politicians contrive, and whatever propaganda is dispensed, – that your services and sacrifices are of little account, for as soon as it is expedient the memorial services will be gradually relegated to being little more than a curiosity, observed once a year – ‘to keep the old dears happy’ – and don’t make too much fuss in the process!…relegated to a footnote on a history book page…such is the actions of an ‘Oh so grateful nation!’ – my reaction to this – "Bollocks to the whole steaming lot of them!"

  33. I said nothing counter to all that. I was only pointing out that the headline is misleading – incorrect in fact. It dosn’t matter how right someone is about this move being bollocks (which it is) – lying about its implications is not on and only detrimental to the effort to reverse the decision.