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My prayer has been answered – the right to pray is to be restored!

Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has moved to restore the legal basis for councils to hold prayers at the start of business. After the High Court ruled last week that local authorities could not hold prayers during meetings, Mr Pickles said today he was “effectively reversing” the judgement. He has fast-tracked the implementation of a general power of competence – contained in last year’s Localism Act – enabling councils to do anything an individual can do that is not illegal. Mr Pickles believes this will render the High Court ruling – which followed objections to prayers at Bideford Town Council in Devon – irrelevant.

Well done Eric! The fact is that the United Kingdom is a Christian country, despite the wishes of militant secularists and their well placed enablers. This means it is surely RIGHT to have the right to start a council meeting in prayer although I don’t think it is mandatory to have prayers nor for that matter should anyone be forced to sit through such.

Our politics, our law, our culture – all are steeped in our Christian heritage and so the plan to erase this should be repelled. I do appreciate the hypocrisy of so many politicians on this issue but I suppose in the final analysis the symbolism is important and  although the High Court decision stopped the right to prayer as part of the actual meeting, it looks like this will now be reversed and made into an irrelevance,

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16 thoughts on “JUST LIKE A PRAYER…

  1. I don’t agree David. Faith and religous practise flourishes best when it is genuinely voluntary and privately organised, not when it is artifically supported by officialdom and the State. Like minded councillors should readily and happily agree to congegrate before meetings to engage in prayers if they wish, but they should not be part of the official agenda – such an officious routine puts the act of praying on the same banal level as the daily announcement of the finance and planning sub-commitees rules of order.

  2. We have been told to turn up 5 minutes before the meeting next week if we want to take part in prayers. I’m not particularly religious but I find these prayers can have a calming effect before what can sometimes be a very tense meeting. They are also a useful reminder that we are there to do good. Therefore I will be taking part.

  3. “a general power of competence – contained in last year’s Localism Act – enabling councils to do anything an individual can do that is not illegal.”

    Apparently Pickles is unaware that it isn’t legal for an individual to require other individuals to pray. Hopefully he will soon be reminded.

    Apparently getting there five minutes early to pray with other officials who want to do so is too difficult for these people. Why must such people’s “faith” always be some one else’s problem?

  4. Yes – Pickles has got his priority right. Forget Bin collections, Public parks, Local Libraries, Social services for the disabled and elderly and the myriad other things that Local Authorities are supposed to do, it’s much more of a priority to rush forward new legislation so that councillors can say prayers ‘officially’.

  5. If you have a council in an area with a high Muslim population, presumably you will support the right of the council to hold Islamic prayers?
    I have nothing whatsoever against people of faith having prayers before their meeting – if that is what they want to do then of course they should be allowed to pray to whatever god they want to. But it should not be part of any official business. Like Colm I find Mr. Pickles has a very curious set of priorities. Why it is almost as if he were doing this to win the approval of the Daily Mail and its followers. As if.

  6. “If you have a council in an area with a high Muslim population, presumably you will support the right of the council to hold Islamic prayers?”

    Nope, this is a Chritian land. Islam can have no place in public life and no official recognition. If muslims don’t like it they know where the airport is.

  7. I take it Pete that you also support a ban on Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist and happy clappy prayer services?

  8. Pete,

    “Nope, this is a Chritian land.”

    Really? Last time I checked, the land under my feet did not profess to be Christian. Perhaps you meant “nation” but even this is incorrect. Many of my fellow-nationals have a faith other than Christianity, or none.

    Perhaps it’s time to read the writing on the wall : http://prince.org/msg/105/367731

  9. Nope, this is a Chritian land.

    Thought not. You are in favour of allowing people to pray as long as they pray to an approved god, even though that is the will of those people. Again we see the double standards at work.

  10. Geoff Watts –

    If muslims want to headbutt the floor behind their own doors, no problem.

    However, I said: “Islam can have no place in public life and no official recognition.” Clearly it cannot do so. This is a Christian land of Christian people with a Christian heritage and culture stretching back almost two millenia. This who we are. Generations of our forefathers were Christians on this, our land. It is our birthright to honour them and our moral duty to pass our inheritence on to our children.

  11. Pete,

    “Generations of our forefathers were Christians on this, our land.”

    Don’t be so modest.

    They were “Christians” on pretty much everyone’s land.

  12. Pickles’ ministerial title should be changed to Minister for the Daily Mail. He follows their line 100% and they love him for it.

  13. Peter –

    There’s that element about it, yes, but I suspect it comes from Number 10 or some Tory PR initiative. Since it comes under big Eric’s department it falls to him to put it out there and Cameron can remain at arm’s length, at least when it comes to dealing with LibDems.

    I’ve met Pickles and had a very candid chat with him about the state of the Tory Party and conservatism in Britain. I genuinely think he’s a decent fella and it’s fair to say he’s somewhat frustrated with how things are.

  14. Pete

    I’m sure you’re right that Pickles is basically decent. But he does seem to jump on each and every Daily Mail bandwagon that passes. And there is nothing remotely decent about that hate-filled rag.

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