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Quite a remarkable story here reported by my friend Max. In the UK, should you call a Councillor a rude name, you go to jail.

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14 thoughts on “IF YOU SAY THIS WORD, YOU GO TO JAIL

  1. The police state is a reality now. And they want these guys to have 100% access to our emails, and will probably succeed.

  2. When did these laws/regs come into force in the UK?

    There is not equivalent laws in the US. It is frightening- all of it.

    You’ve lost your freedom of speech. And I’m not saying it for effect. It simply does not exist anymore.

    And since our countries tend to follow one another’s bad examples, we’ll be in danger of losing ours too.

    I’ve long been critical of your grossly unfair libel laws. Which was an atrocious infringement on speech, from a long time ago.

  3. Phantom

    Freedom of speech has always been limited in the UK. The libel laws are soo draconian that “libel tourism” has been growing rapidly and the current reform proposals are feeble. The UK judiciary has a long tradition of authoritarianism in this area, which has got even worse in the last decade. “Super-injubctions” have been granted to multi-millionaires wanting to keep theior sexual dalliances out of the papers and even out of Twitter.

  4. I place liability cover for large clients.

    For most liability matters – Products Liability or Medical Malpractice for example – the US is seen as the most difficult jurisdiction. A US customer can pay rates that are five or ten times higher or more in the US than they might for the same exposure in France or Germany.

    For libel and slander matters, the UK is the troubled area – worse than the US or other countries.

    I’d like to think that everyone is concerned about recent decisions, like the conviction of the young man for obnoxious comments about the football player.

    Now there are multiple fronts against free speech there that do not exist in many countries – bad libel law, bad slander law, bad ” hate speech ” law, bad ” cursing ” law.

    What chance does free speech have?

  5. But Phantom, remember the post about the Muslim advert on the Toronto suburb which David thought shouldn’t have been allowed, and you vehemntly agreed with him. Yes, what price free speech ?

  6. Policy about what ads should be allowed by the guys who run the Toronto Metro are absolutely not the same thing as whether someone should go to prison or be fined for saying something that someone else doesn’t like.

    There is some overlap, but they’re not the same issue at all.

    If I don’t allow you to buy an ad in my newspaper, your speech rights have not been abridged in the least.

    If some judge puts you in jail for saying something that ” offends ” them, your speech rights have indeed been violated – subject only to the PROPER laws of libel and slander( not the UK laws and precedent )

  7. Phantom

    I absolutely agree that no-one should be jailed or prosecuted in any way for saying something offensive. I too believe our Libel laws are an offence to libery, shamefull and easily open to abuse, but on the Muslim ad thread I believe you were clearly indicating that Muslims should not be allowed by law to advertise or promote their religion you weren’t just referring to a commercial decision by an organisation.

  8. I wouldn’t want their propaganda on the public square. And if the price of that was to not have any religious adverts, then so be it.

    And again, for acts of genuine libel and slander, it’s OK for the law to punish a wrongdoer. But the creep who said horrible things about a seriously wounded athlete, didn’t libel or slander anyone as far as I have seen. He should be shunned, but not jailed. The prosecutor and judge in that case should have been jailed

  9. Oh, now we’re noticing that a once-free country has become occupied and that we’re now living in a tyrannical, lawless Police State.

    I was pointed at and mocked for years when I explained what was happening. Come point at me now dupes, and say I was right.

    Q) “When did these laws/regs come into force in the UK?”

    A) They’ve been constructed slice by slice over years. The first overtly and explicitly tyrannical piece of legislation which ushered in the Police State was the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. I wonder who was in power then?

    “You’ve lost your freedom of speech. And I’m not saying it for effect. It simply does not exist anymore.”

    Yes, because people like me were not believed and people who love the State allowed it to happen. There’s a very good reason why people like me believe that The State is Not Your Friend and that it ought to be resisted at all times and everywhere. Sooner or later the State will – guaranteed – obliterate our liberties and take everything we have. The State is coercion and violence. That is all it has, that is all it knows.

    “And since our countries tend to follow one another’s bad examples, we’ll be in danger of losing ours too.”

    Excuse me … bwahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

    Hey, maybe you need a few, you know, “constitution mongers”. Mad, swivel-eyed libertarians who insist that the State be bound by the law and that freedom itself is the highest and only goal.

    Maybe if we’d had a few more over here we wouldn’t know be seeing unfree Britons detained and persecuted by the State for using naughty words.

  10. The chipping away started centuries ago, with the bad libel and slander law, which has most recently been abused to a greater degree….

  11. I once knew a fella who was so regularly abused that he didn’t know if his name was ‘Hunt or Cunningham’. It seems to have scarred him for life!

  12. Hey, maybe you need a few, you know, “constitution mongers”. Mad, swivel-eyed libertarians who insist that the State be bound by the law and that freedom itself is the highest and only goal.

    Agreed.

  13. I reckon these idiots on Twitter deserve to lose their liberty because they are so stupid. Twitter, Facebook and ‘social media’ generally were set up to be a tool for authoritarian surveillance and the consequences are now evident to the ignoranti. Hopefully the smarter ones will stay away.

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