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The workers united, will never be..Jewish?

An NHS conference on conflict resolution for managers and union representatives has turned into a sobering lesson in how conflicts are decidedly not resolved. The guest lecturer at the conference, organised by the Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust, was to be Moty Cristal, an expert in negotiation theory and mediation. But under pressure from one of the participating unions, Unison, his invitation was unceremoniously withdrawn. The reason? He is an Israeli.

At no stage, it should be emphasised, was any concern raised about Professor Cristal himself. He is, by all accounts, an expert in his field. He has lectured around the world and in the UK, including to the Muslim Council of Britain, and has been an active participant in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations and back-channel dialogue. It was his Israeli nationality alone, he was informed, which made his participation “unacceptable given Unison and TUC policy on the Middle East conflict”.

This is not the first time a supposedly political boycott has seamlessly morphed into bigotry and prejudice. When two Israeli academics were “unappointed” from the editorial boards of journals at Manchester University, – again purely on the grounds of their citizenship – one of them, Gideon Toury, observed wryly: “I was appointed as a scholar and unappointed as an Israeli.”

The UK Trade Union movement is a seething bed of anti-Semitism.

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32 thoughts on “TUC BIGOTRY…

  1. I was in Unison, It was suggested that I needed to be in a union to get protection against The Man.
    I left after I was sent campaign papers to elect new union officers. What a load of commie tossers! Nothing in the biographies or platforms of the representatives had anything to do with legitimate union work. I was all about external politics.
    Why in God’s name to unions have to have a policy on Middle East Conflict? What the hell business is it of theirs? I wasn’t going to give them my money to fund their entry into national politics.

  2. Unison, eh? They’re Ed Miliband’s controllers. I thought the Left was against discrimination, but I must’ve been mistaken.

  3. //They’re Ed Miliband’s controllers//

    Then they can hardly be anti-semites.

  4. As a dear friend of mine recently remarked,

    “Almost all this fake hysteria about anti-Jewishness is just an attempt to avoid facing the justified criticism of Israel’s actions in the West Bank.

    Jews in America and in Europe are as safe as anywhere in the world, including in Israel. The idea of an economic crash leading to European attacks on Jews is preposterous – Jews are no longer identifiable and have in any case long since stopped being the convenient scapegoat, their place taken by Muslims, as practically any page on this site will show you.”

    My oh my! but didn’t this same plonker get hot under the collar when his assertions were challenged…..
    Agit8ed. (aka The Smirk.)
    Thanks for that moment of light relief, Noel.

  5. Wow.

    Discrimination against an individual due to his nationality.

    Well, isn’t that nice.

  6. As stated above, exactly why does this trade union have any ‘policy’ on Israel and the Middle East?

    As for Agit’s concerns about the imminent holocaust, I’m sure that the 80% of Conservative MPs who are ‘Friends of Isrel’, similar number for Labour etc will ensure that Israel remains protected to do whatever it wants.

  7. Seamus, on May 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am Said:
    I’m just surprised to see David quoting the Guardian.

    I am surprised to see anyone quoting the Guardian 🙂

  8. To the anti Israel crowd here:

    Do you approve of the discrimination against this individual?

    Don’t be bashful.

  9. No I don’t. I can understand an economic boycott, especially an economic boycott of the Israelis in occupied lands, if it was well thought out and well supported, but isolated discrimination of Israeli people, whether Unison doing this or Dubai banning tennis player Shahar Peer, are pointless, ineffective and thus nothing short of discrimination of people on the basis of their nationality.

  10. Damn, I read the headline as “TUV BIGOTRY… ”

    Is that what the shrinks call peripheral dyslexia? 😉

    But to the topic: Shame, shame, shame on the TUC.

  11. “As for Agit’s concerns about the imminent holocaust,”
    Wishful thinking Allan, wishful thinking..

    “Und now, speaking from der bunker in Aberdeen; ve hear der glorious voice off Allan, outlining his cunningkh plan for der final, Final Solutzion..”

  12. Agit – it’s surreal that you share the same belief as Hitler in that Jews are a race whereas I, who refutes the absurd idea, am labelled a nazi by you.

  13. You got to admit it’s a great clip though, Allan.
    I don’t think you’re a Nazi.
    You just talk like one sometimes..

  14. Agit – you have mentioned several times on this site the jewish ‘race’ and in that matter you and Hitler are as one, and it is a very important matter. Only a nazi or a zionist can believe jews to be a race – two sides of the same coin, and there were coins stamped with a swastika on one side and a hexagram on the other in commemoration of nazi/zionist collaboration over deportation of jews from Germany to Palestine. Here it is, courtesy of Henry Makow:

    http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html

    – In his 1988 book “Blowback,” Christopher Simpson says captured SS records documented a covert agreement between the SS and the Haganah, the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force. They funded at least one Haganah commander.

    “Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine.

    [Haganah Commander Feival] Polkes and the Haganah, in return, agreed to provide the SS with intelligence about British affairs in Palestine. Captured German records claim that Polkes believed the increasingly brutal Nazi persecution of the Jews could be turned to Zionist advantage-at least temporarily-by compelling Jewish immigration to Palestine, and that the Haganah commander’s sole source of income, moreover, was secret funds from the SS.” (p.252, emphasis mine)

    If someone is paying your salary, you’re working for them! I don’t know the extent of Nazi support, but I doubt if this was an isolated case. –

    And who is Henry Makow?

    – I am a non-observant, non-self-hating Canadian Jew who believes in God and Christ’s gospel of love. My grandparents all died in the holocaust; my parents narrowly survived by passing as non-Jews. I lived in Israel in 1972-3 but left because Israelis seemed as materialistic as Canadians. Israel also struck me as a country that devoured its own people.

    Nevertheless I remained a Zionist until recently when I discovered its hidden imperialist character. Still, I support Israel’s existence within the 1967 boundaries, with restitution to the Palestinians. I believe most Israelis and Jews have been hoodwinked as I was. –

  15. Allan,

    “Agit – you have mentioned several times on this site the jewish ‘race’ and in that matter you and Hitler are as one, and it is a very important matter.”

    Please my wacky friend, note what is written below..

    Agit8ed, on May 8th, 2012 at 12:19 pm Said:

    Noel,
    I wouldn’t worry the point so much if people realised that Allan’s arguments/theories are not just wacky, they are downright evil in trivialising what happened to an awful lot of people within living memory.


    Jewishness is first and foremost a religion and secondly a culture(s), that had its origin and roots in an area and places of the Middle East still identifiable today; and to which the descendents of those original people have, in an amazing turn of events, returned.

    I may be wrong, but I usually refer to them as “the Jewish PEOPLE” – not the Jewish race; and that’s mainly because I see them as PEOPLE Allan, not statistics to prove weird arguments..
    You’re getting me confused with der udder Agit8ed.. 😉
    Go have a pill and lie down. The two worlds you inhabit will become one eventually.

  16. So Agit, we can agree that judaism is a belief system and that jews are adherents of that belief system and not a ‘race’, although they certainly do have a supremacist outlook. The nazis considered themselves to be a ‘master race’ but being God’s Chosen People is a level of conceit even higher than the nazis – I suppose it’s termed ‘chutzpah’. If Jews are God’s Chosen People, then in their eyes, everybody else is unchosen and, by logical extension, inferior. How can being one of God’s Chosen People NOT make you consider yourself higher than the unchosen?

    Beliefs are a legitimate target so henceforth, when I point out the idiocies and absurdities of Jewish beliefs, don’t start squealing ‘anti-semite’ or ‘racist’: most Jews aren’t semites, they’re not a race, and their beliefs will be subject to the same disbelieving scrutiny as islam.

  17. Allan, why oh why do you make life so difficult for yourself?
    What you actually mean is that you have checked back and found that I don’t (if ever) refer to the Jewish Race, only the Jewish people.
    I can argue this ’til the cows come home. You keep wanting to drag me into your world of mystery and mirrors,and I am a pragmatist. I accept what is – not what you think is or should be.
    I think it’s very sad that you waste so much talent and diligence on researching evidence for secret agendas. There is only one agenda I believe in, and that’s God’s agenda. He promised that the Jews would return to Israel, and that has happened. Religious nuts like me find this quite exciting because as you may know Jesus said he would return to this world, and specifically to Israel.
    What is interesting about this is that up until 1948 He couldn’t have come back to Israel because it didn’t exist.
    http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/3814.htm

    Now you may think this is all old guff, but IMO no more guff than what you believe.

  18. The way to deal with Allan is to laugh at him. He is a complete and utter nutcase.

  19. Atit8ed,

    //There is only one agenda I believe in, and that’s God’s agenda. He promised that the Jews would return to Israel, and that has happened. Religious nuts like me find this quite exciting because as you may know Jesus said he would return to this world//

    The Bible says that the people of Israel must first experience extreme tribulation, after which they will go running to embrace Jesus.
    Is that really what you are looking forward to? 🙂

  20. Agit – if those are the beliefs which you have, and you consider that judaism as with your own is a belief system, then beliefs are open to challenge. Here’s one to begin with:

    “Jewishness is first and foremost a religion and secondly a culture(s), that had its origin and roots in an area and places of the Middle East still identifiable today; and to which the descendents of those original people have, in an amazing turn of events, returned.”

    False – total BS and it is self-evident. The jews of Europe and the rest of the white world have no ethnic or genealogical link to the semitic peoples who are indigenous to the middle east. Harrison Ford, Orlando Bloom, Paul Newman – they would have been on recruitment posters for the SS had they been in 1930’s Germany. No tie-in whatsoever to the Biblical lands, no more than I have. Here, take a look. This ‘jew’ would not look out of place on a recruitment poster for the SS – but he would look out of place pretending to be from Palestine:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1063705/Paul-Newmans-hidden-heartache-How-Hollywood-giant-got-sons-drugs-overdose-death.html

  21. Allan, you’re contradicting yourself again. The Nazis used local European Jews for their propaganda pictures and films, and the people they depicted didn’t look like Paul Newman, they obviously looked very different to the ideal Aryan type.
    All this race stuff is a load of balls. All of Europe – gentile and Jew – is mixed. We are what we want to be, not what some racist or anti-semite or Zionist thinks we are.

  22. We are what we want to be…

    I want to be jewish if I get to look like Paul Newman! We are what we are and NOT what we want to be.

    Btw, the jews used by the nazis for their propaganda films – did they look like Ed Miliband?

    As a footnote on posting policy, Noel, but if I’m contradicting myself, you should cut and paste into your comment the text, date and time from the posts which show that I’m contradicting myself. At the moment, I can’t see what the contradiction is that you have found so I’m unable to engage you in argument about it.

  23. Allan, the contradiction is that you say (I think) that European Jews have the same genetic background as European non-Jews, but the unfortunates portrayed negatively in Nazi propaganda films were all European Jews, and they certainly didn’t look like Paul Newman .

    There’s something very unseemly about this whole Jewish-race debate, and I agree it is at the moment being forced on the world by Israel and it’s immigration and settlement policies. But whether on the basis of race, customs or religion, singling out Jews for invective or hatred is a continuation of the most awful page in European history, and anyone who does so will be rejected by any right-thinking person and deserves to be.

  24. singling out Jews for invective or hatred is a continuation of the most awful page in European history, and anyone who does so will be rejected by any right-thinking person and deserves to be.

    Hear hear.

  25. Indeed so, and the point which I’m making is that there is no racial basis for attacking Jews. The unfortunates portrayed in nazi propaganda could be matched by any of the lower grades from any country in Europe. Just have a look at what is in the High Street of your town, and I’m not joking because I saw a group of drug addicts outside a pharmacy today awaiting their prescriptions.

    There’s nothing unseemly about pointing out that jews are not a race. If it is then accepted, as it must be, that jews are adherents of an ideology called a religion, that ideology is as open to challenge as any other ideology. For some reason, somebody here reckons that this ideology is God-given and that anybody who challenges it (and their status as the self-proclaimed Chosen People) it is wicked – but I say that man’s a fool. I would ask Agit to provide supporting evidence for his beliefs but he can’t, because it’s pure hokum.

  26. “The Bible says that the people of Israel must first experience extreme tribulation, after which they will go running to embrace Jesus.”

    Noel mon cher,
    Many Christians believe that the peculiar relationship/covenant between Jews/Israelites and God was/is like an illustrative parable of God’s holiness, compassion and love for mankind. The main ingredients or motivational influences being:-
    God giving man freewill
    Man choosing and falling under the influence of sin/Satan.
    God providing a solution to reconciling His holiness and righteousness versus man’s wilfulness and sinfulness.
    By sending a second “Adam,” who was also born sinless and free to choose like the first Adam. Because the second Adam was obedient and sinless even unto death, He was able to take upon Himself the punishment for my sin and rebellion, and your sin and rebellion -(and in your case dear Noel, unbelief!)

    The story of Israel was that they were given a universal moral law – the Ten Commandments – and a set of cultural/religious laws which marked them out as being God’s chosen people.
    If you read the Old Testament – and you should before you die, because you might get asked questions afterwards – 🙂

    you will see that when Israel as a nation was in obedience to God He blessed them.
    When they were disobedient i.e. followed other gods or wanted to be like the other nations, there were consequences which God had clearly spelt out from the beginning.

    So as I said to Allan earlier, religious nuts like me believe that when Israel rejected the Messiah, God used the Romans to scatter them across the known world. (Just like He used the ancient Egyptians to drive them out and into the Promised Land.)

    You will probably argue that God was being pretty vindictive, but I would say that actually there are always consequences to our actions -good or bad-. So when the Jews were thrown out of Israel, they still claimed to be the Chosen People, and still practiced their faith based on the Law. That’s what caused them problems wherever they went, and stopped them assimilating.

    I also happen to believe, based on my reading of the Bible and Christian teaching, that God being outside of time, will decide when this whole thing -human history and free will- will come to an end.

    So I and many other Bible believing Christians believe that the return of the Jews (not of course, the original Jews, but their descendants) to Israel might mark a significant development in God’s programme for Man’s future.

    See,I don’t need to uncover “a sinister plot” as Allan does. I’ve already got one!
    Now you and others can think and say what you like.

    When you ask sensible questions I will do my best to answer them or get answers.
    I have already said I accept the findings of true science, but I reserve the right to draw different conclusions.

    One of the great things about belief in a Personal God is that it explains the mystery of personality, love, music, the arts etc. in a way that an evolutionary, meaningless accident in a cold, impersonal universe cannot.
    So there, Cunningham, chew on that one!

  27. Thank you Old Jack.
    You are of course, entitled to your opinion.
    And I suppose only time will tell.

    How are you anyway? Haven’t heard from you for a while.

  28. //So when the Jews were thrown out of Israel, they still claimed to be the Chosen People, and still practiced their faith based on the Law. That’s what caused them problems wherever they went, and stopped them assimilating.//

    And I supposed the Holocaust was punishment for them giving the world figures like Marx, Freud and Einstein and annoying all good Christians with their theories.

    Some (serious) questions:

    1 (repeat)

    The Bible says that the people of Israel must first experience extreme tribulation after which they will go running to embrace Jesus.

    Was that tribulation Hitler, and the still haven’t got the message?
    Or will it be an Iranian bomb or something else?
    (and, no, Troll’s support will not be accepted as sufficient disaster)

    But, above all, do you accept this is going to happen and is something to look forward to?

    2.
    It says clearly in the NT (yes, I have read it/heard it read) that the Jews can’t be saved except through Jesus. I think even Jesus also said that himself once or twice.

    Do you believe him or think he may have been mistaken on that one?

    In that case, the queston of their safety in this world is really importance, you know, sort of like on the Titanic “Women, children and disbelievers in the lifeboats!”

    3.
    Where in the Bible does Jesus say he will return specifically to Israel, as you claim.
    Before you answer, if it’s shown to you that he never said that, will you maybe not find the Bible and its whole cosmic view so exciting after all?

  29. “The Bible says that the people of Israel must first experience extreme tribulation after which they will go running to embrace Jesus.”

    It’s not as simple as that Noel. God is neither vindictive nor imperious. By that I mean that God neither needs nor forces us to worship; but He knows that if we decide to exercise our freewill in spite of His advice, the consequences will be detrimental to our well being.
    NOT because HE will punish us for disobedience, but because as God, He knows what the outcome will be, and He wants us to trust Him that He acts out of goodness, not self interest.
    In fact I think this is why scientists like Newton and others, could explore the science behind the natural world, yet still worship Him as Creator.

    If people reject the Christian message without understanding it, (I think) God will judge them according to what they did understand and believe in , and to what degree they lived up to their own set of moral values.
    To those who really did understand the message of salvation, but rejected it, He will judge them accordingly.
    Which is why I can say that homosexuals etc. are no more sinners than I am, and as they have free will, they can respond to the message of God’s love in whatever way they choose, as I can. What they do afterwards is between them and God, not for me to judge.

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