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As the Eurozone lurches deeper and deeper into crisis, this is an interesting poll…

PUBLIC support for Britain remaining in the European Union has slumped to an all-time low. More than half of voters (54 per cent) think we should quit, while barely a third (34 per cent) want to stay in.   Each month YouGov quizzes 1,000 voters for the British Election Study.

So, if more than half of us want OUT, how about a referendum right now, Mr Cameron? Might it be that you are scared of what we will say once given the chance? The EU is going to collapse, so why stay IN when we can get OUT?

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26 thoughts on “WE WANT OUT!

  1. Quite frankly I am amazed that even 34% would want to stay in the EU.
    I fail to see what real advantage there is to us.
    Go down to Dover docks and watch to see how many lorries arrive from the continent in contrast to vehicles taking British goods to the continent.
    Not only that, by and large the EU is happy for our military personnel to do the front line work, whilst they complete the admin..
    Our warships are to be built abroad, our country is being swamped with foreign workers, our courts have no powers to deport our enemies or dangerous foreign criminals, and we can’t even insist that the doctor who attends us can speak English!!

  2. I agree Agit8ed,

    Although I’m not a British subject not do I live there It’s beyond me why any mature, evolved country would want to be tied to a huge political cement block that’s about to be hefted off a boat into water 1,000 feet deep.

    Perhaps it’s the age old story. The politicos are hanging on for their own gain.

    Monetary greed and ego inflating come to mind.

    I can’t speak for the UK, but I’m certain those 2 are what drives the Irish political rabble to demand continued obedience to the EU cabal.

  3. Eddie,
    Careful.
    You are in danger of developing a split personality!
    There is “Eddie the Asteroid’s Champion” and “Eddie aka Captain Sensible!”
    BTW,
    Where are you from?
    Sometimes I think you are American, then perhaps Irish, maybe Canadian…..

  4. Given the amount of rubbish and misinformation on the EU that the public are regularly exposed to this poll is hardly a surprise. I see that Agit8Ed even repeats one of the regular EU myths above.

    “we can’t even insist that the doctor who attends us can speak English!! ”

    Here are the real facts on EU workers in the NHS.

    http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.htm

  5. So you think we are being deliberately misinformed?
    I haven’t seen any British newspaper contradict what Paul Naish said in the Mail…
    “http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu-law-does-not-mean-uk-hospitals-have-to-employ-people-who-do-not-speak-english/
    Why is that?
    And what else would you say is wrong in my statement above?
    Are you actually saying Declan, that staying in the EU is the best option for the UK?
    First I would want to know exactly where you’re coming from…..

  6. The EU spends huge ampunts on its own propaganda so anything which counters it is to be welcomed. They also have control over the politicial clique which ‘served’ in the EU through the known fact that the pensions of the clique are dependent on continued preaching of the EU’s message. One wrong word, and the lucrative pension ends.

  7. Allan,
    I suspect that too, but let’s wait to see what Declan has to say for himself..

  8. Agit8ed what I am saying is wrong with your statement is thats it not true. Simple. The onus is on the UK to check doctors’ competency and this is something that needs to be tightened up. Its nothing to do with EU rules.

    Here is a story about this in the Daily Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9027445/Brussels-will-welcome-a-stronger-safety-net.html

    And yes you are being deliberately misinformed. The Daily Mail is not a good source to quote on anything. They have their own agenda and are not shy in pushing it.

    As for where I am coming from. I work in industry (aerospace and defence) and condsider myself to be generally pro EU. The EU has its faults, I accept that but believe we are better off in rather than out. I get very frustrated whenever I see a lot of the rubbish that is written in newspapers such as the Daily Mail and Daily Express. We need a proper debate on this not the garbage that people are being fed.

    In the spirit of full disclosure I am also a Lib Dem Councillor. However this does not drive my views on Europe which come from a more pro business perspective.

    Allan@Aberdeen the only pensions I have are private ones which have been systematically plundered by Brown and the City so will probably just about buy an ice cream when I retire so I am not some member of some mythical euro elite.

    Incidently I don’t know if anyone recalls a Channel 4 Documentary a few years ago called “Referendum Street”. The programme makers took a North London street at random and polled the residents on their views on the EU. A clear majority where in favour of withdrawing from the EU. They then sent in two groups of people each consisting of a politician and a journalist to argue the cases for and against. At the end of the week they polled the residents again. A clear majority were now in favour of EU membership.

    Conclusion : People need to be given the proper facts if they are to be able to come to an informed decision.

  9. The point is – just who do are we prepared to trust? Both camps, – the media and the politicians have proved themselves to be untrustworthy. So we end up choosing between the business bloc, who obviously have self-interest as a priority and those of us who see the effects that EU membership has bought on us, – at this time, very few positive ones.

    Obviously your profession would be in favour as without the EU there would a much smaller market for your skills. Unfortunately, Brussels desire over the years to homogenise and organise the smallest details of our lives, has done their case much harm.

    That when we travel to the continent we see the trivia we are subjected to, virtually ignored. And, of course, the open borders and human rights policies haven’t helped the general animosity to full membership.

  10. p.s.

    Declan,, I see you quite happily and rightly criticise the newspapers, while being a fan of Channel 4, – to my mind an equally squalid source of information.

  11. The Daily Mail is the one with the agenda, and if you know the truth you will love the EU.

  12. “I haven’t seen any British newspaper contradict what Paul Naish said in the Mail…”

    ANY British newspaper Declan, not just the Daily Mail.

    “I accept that but believe we are better off in rather than out.”

    HOW are we Declan?
    As I pointed out above, there is NO democracy, we have NO sovereignty, and the country is overflowing with foreign workers, whilst our own young are palmed off with sub standard education.
    PLUS there’s the little matter of the whole shebang nearing meltdown!
    Or hadn’t you noticed?
    I don’t buy it.
    I will never buy it because it’s not democratic, and it benefits the politicians more than it does the people. It is corrupt. Its accounts have never been passed by approved auditors, the whole thing is anti growth and pro bureaucracy.
    In short, it’s a disaster.

  13. –UK better off in the EU than out of it–

    For the EU proponents:

    How does non-membership in the EU harm Norway or Switzerland?

    Both have friendly personal / diplomatic / trade relations with the EU and the individual states that make it up. And they don’t have to pay into the common agricultural policy ( I believe ) or the structural aid to the ” poor ” EU countries unless they choose to do it.

    They are more sovereign than a EU country is and they keep more of their own money.

    What’s not to like?

  14. Phantom,
    As I understand it mainland Europe wants political and economic integration so as to ensure stability and to project Western Europe as a major trading bloc to counterbalance growing Asian unity (driven by China) the USA, Russia and the Middle East (except that nation we’re not allowed to talk about).

    The problem is you have disparate nations -ancient nations, with lots of history, disparate economies, and a big powerful nation which happens to be responsible for two world wars..
    It seems to me that MY country is being deliberately weakened whilst continuing to be a major nett financial contributor, and a haven for all and sundry: and I don’t like it, and I don’t see how we are benefitting from being a part of this nonsense.

  15. The UK is already overcrowded. If we left the EU would we be able to find room for the £50,000,000 a day or whatever it is we pay into Europe.

  16. “would we be able to find room for the £50,000,000 a day or whatever it is we pay into Europe.”
    Well I’d be only too happy to bury some in my back garden.. 🙂

  17. Even if there is greater cooperation in Asia, China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam will never be united under a common bureaucracy the way Europe/Brussels is. It is unthinkable.

    The best model for regional cooperation is the US and Canada. It is a free association among friendly countries. We don’t tell them what to do, they don’t tell us what to do. The trade and diplomatic cooperation is tremendous, and the bureaucratic superstructure that sits above it consists of zero employees.

  18. I agree, but you are both young countries, no great history of war (on the continent anyway: not since the red man left ;))
    We haven’t got that in Europe.

  19. Phantom

    Norway pays more per head of population into the EU than the UK does. Furthermore they tend to just adopt the rules EU member states make in Brussels (otherwise companies would incur indirect costs for doing business there and Norway would suffer). Therefore they pay more but don’t have any influence over the important decisions. That doesn’t strike me as being a better arrangement.

  20. Declan,
    that’s not an example of a democratic mutually beneficial system then, is it? It’s more like a cartel, and if you don’t obey the rules of this corrupt gang, with it’s failed accounts, they will punish you.
    Hardly a model for probity and fairness..

  21. Under what pretext would the Norwegians be paying money into the EU as an organization?

    To finance what?

  22. Norway pays more per head then the UK because it’s based on GDP.

    What are they paying for? To adopt EU programmes they do not have to adopt. Norway has signed up to Schengen and many other programmes. In effect, it is partly suzerein to the EU, and it pays for it, but it doesn;t have to be so.

    “Leaving the EU” is just a partial solution to globalist ills anyway. That will only partly reclaim our sovereignty to govern ourselves. The whole human rights construct is seperate, as is the UN and the World Health Organisation.

    It’s not just the EU, we need a bonfire of many thousands of treaties.

  23. “Under what pretext would the Norwegians be paying money into the EU as an organization?”
    Maybe to stop the big kids beting on them in the playground and stealing their dinner money..

  24. Phantom

    They pay it to gain access to the single market.

    In 2008 Norway paid €188m towards the EU budget and €260m on reducing economic and social disparities in the EU. This equates to €98 per Norwegian per year.

    The UK which has full membership pays €76 per head.

  25. Declan

    Wow.

    They key is – is this an assessment or a voluntary payment? Either way, they’ve set a bad precedent if the idea is to remain independent. The beast won’t like it if you stop feeding it.

  26. Phantom,
    “The early years of the EEC were principally focused upon developing the customs union. During this period, a huge economic boom, led by a dynamic West Germany, created much greater prosperity in western Europe and drove forward the liberalisation of the EEC economy. In 1963, Britain made its first attempt to join, but was rebuffed by the French President Charles De Gaulle. De Gaulle dominated the European Community in the 1960s, fuelling conflict between those who wanted to push forward a political union and those, like himself, who wanted to maintain their national identities.”
    http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/OS/OS3.htm

    Interesting that a) originally the EEC didn’t want the UK to join.
    b) De Gaulle and others wanted to retain their national identity.
    c)the EEC was more economically dynamic and has become bogged down in bureaucracy since.
    Apart from Germany, it remains unable to compete with other industrialized nations, and is increasingly socialist (i,e. dependent on tax funding rather than wealth creation).

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