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From the regime so paranoid that most things under the sun are considered “a threat to national security”:

Syrian rebels have held meetings with senior US government officials in Washington as pressure mounts on the US to authorise a shipment of heavy weapons, including surface-to-air missiles to combat the Assad regime, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

But “national security” isn’t so sacrosanct when it’s somewhere else.

A senior Free Syrian Army representative met in the past week at the US State Department with the US ambassador toSyria Robert Ford and Frederick Hoff, special coordinator for the Middle East, sources have confirmed […]

While there remains little appetite for direct western military intervention, the Daily Telegraph has learned that advanced contingency plans are already in place to supply heavy weapons to the rebels, including sophisticated anti-tank weapons and surface to-air-missiles.

What gives Washington the damned right to meddle in the internal affairs of Syria?! This is precisely the kind of thing which the CIA admits results in “blowback” against US forces and citizens, the outcome of which is yet more curtailment of liberties at home – in the name of “national security”.

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52 thoughts on “SYRIAN REBELS IN WASHINGTON

  1. What gives Russia, China and Iran the right to prop up the genocidal butcher Assad? Is he to be allowed to slaughter tens of thousands with Russian weapons?

    It’s truly remarkable how the despots of the world are coalescing into a club of despots, despite the huge differences between them in terms of culture and history. China, Russia, Iran, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Burma, Venezuela. Birds of a feather. ***k the lot of them.

  2. First off coming from a Brit. This is pretty damn rich….

    What gives Washington the damned right to meddle in the internal affairs of Syria?! This is precisely the kind of thing which the CIA admits results in “blowback” against US forces and citizens, the outcome of which is yet more curtailment of liberties at home – in the name of “national security”.

    Second if we want to piss in anyones pool who is gonna stop us, third and most importantly, If Obama starts supplying guns to anyone without a congressional vote in the middle of an election…. TOAST

    and there is no way congress is going to give him permission, so he will have to do it on his own.

  3. It is entirely appropriate that we speak to opposition leadership.

    It would be grossly inappropriate for the US NOT to meet with them, especially now that the murderous minority regime is tottering.

    You spoke, seemingly approvingly, of France’s intervention in the US Revolutionary War. Which we all agree was a grand thing. Intervention is not always bad.

  4. Troll –

    “Second if we want to piss in anyones pool who is gonna stop us”

    That where terrorists often step in. You then notice the terror but not those acts which provoked it, resulting in your stupid statements about some bunch from the Middle East “declaring war on the US” when it was started by Washington in the first place. Just leave people alone!

    “third and most importantly, If Obama starts supplying guns to anyone without a congressional vote in the middle of an election…. TOAST”

    You think anyone in Washington cares about the law? You think anyone in the military-industrial complex gives a damn for what the law says? If Republicans can skim off a buck they’ll line up right behind the lot of them.

  5. Phantom –

    “You spoke, seemingly approvingly, of France’s intervention in the US Revolutionary War.”

    Of course I didn’t. I reminded Troll that without France the colonists would have lost the revolt, that’s all.

    What’s all this “It is entirely appropriate that we speak to opposition leadership”? WTF is Syria any business of yours?!

    Washington has no more right to arm Syrians than Assad would have had arming Timothy McVeigh or the Michigan Militia, none at all.

  6. Pete – I recognize that you have to make ridiculous comments to stay in character, but the fact of the matter is if Assad’s regiem is engaging in slaughter of innocent civilians then it is everyone’s business.

  7. Let’s have a look at what the US has been doing on Russia’s borders:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31311

    – In the middle of her three-nation tour of the South Caucasus, on June 5 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with fellow short-term New Yorker Mikheil Saakashvili in Georgia. The latter is a premiere, a greatly favored, a nonpareil American satrap, for whom the doors of the White House and the op-ed pages of the major U.S. dailies are always open. For eight and a half years he has been president of his nation after winning 96 percent of the vote on January 6, 2004 in a spurious election following standing head of state Eduard Shevardnadze being manhandled and deposed in the so-called Rose Revolution of the preceding November. The sort of election the State Department is always willing to endorse if the result advances American geostrategic interests.

    In the middle of her three-nation tour of the South Caucasus, on June 5 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with fellow short-term New Yorker Mikheil Saakashvili in Georgia. The latter is a premiere, a greatly favored, a nonpareil American satrap, for whom the doors of the White House and the op-ed pages of the major U.S. dailies are always open. For eight and a half years he has been president of his nation after winning 96 percent of the vote on January 6, 2004 in a spurious election following standing head of state Eduard Shevardnadze being manhandled and deposed in the so-called Rose Revolution of the preceding November. The sort of election the State Department is always willing to endorse if the result advances American geostrategic interests. –

    There is no way that this can be seen as responsible conduct. It is deliberate incitement to conflict.

  8. Mahons –

    ” .. but the fact of the matter is if Assad’s regiem is engaging in slaughter of innocent civilians then it is everyone’s business.”

    Washington has slaughtered far more innocents, in Iraq and Afghanistan, than Assad ever could do. Is that everyone’s business also? Does that legitimise the funding and arming of violent revolution against Washington? It sounds like you think so. Be careful, you’ll get your door kicked in holding those views in the land of the free.

  9. That where terrorists often step in. You then notice the terror but not those acts which provoked it, resulting in your stupid statements about some bunch from the Middle East “declaring war on the US” when it was started by Washington in the first place. Just leave people alone!

    You think anyone in Washington cares about the law? You think anyone in the military-industrial complex gives a damn for what the law says? If Republicans can skim off a buck they’ll line up right behind the lot of them.

    Two statements of an anti-american fool. The people that think like you are ridiculed in my country, oh and vote for Ron Paul.

  10. The problem with unilateral action is that it opens up a major can of worms. It is a long accepted principle that you don’t interfere in the internal matters of another state. It has been violated in the past (for very good reasons) but other less noble powers have then used it as an excuse to do so as well (for less good reasons). Take the situation in Kosovo. Western support for Kosovan independence led to the Russians invading Georgia and declaring the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. What is to stop (following a non-sanctioned Western invasion or intervention in Syria) a Russian or Chinese invasion of somewhere using the pretext of alleged human rights abuses?

  11. Washington has slaughtered far more innocents, in Iraq and Afghanistan, than Assad ever could do.

    So? Does that mean that Assad gets a free hand to slaughter children in his own country?

    Thought experiment: how many more would be alive and well today in Zimbabwe if Mugabe had been taken out 20 years ago?

  12. Troll –

    “Two statements of an anti-american fool.”

    That’s what I expect from you neutered American men, insults and running off instead of standing your ground.

    Listen big boy, I’m a better American than you are. I’m on the side of liberty, trade, peace and American civil society. You’re on the side of government. I make a damned good American while your heart and soul is European and national socialist, slavishly cheering what government does as long as a flag sticks out the top of it. You’re a disgrace to your heritage and history.

    Put some panties on and move to Europe.

  13. Peter –

    “Thought experiment: how many more would be alive and well today in Zimbabwe if Mugabe had been taken out 20 years ago?”

    By the same geniuses who put him in power in the first place?

  14. Who put Mugabe in power? George Bush?

    Let’s say for the sake of argument that Syria is a murderous government. Should the world under any circumstance intervene? Or should we tell the minority regime to do what it chooses?

  15. yours is the nation that can’t defend itself, and no you are the example of an ass, nothing more nothing less.

    You would never survive in the US you would be eaten alive. Once every 4 years we parade kooks like you out in the open. They line up behind their tin foil hat scam leader and the rest of us laugh at them.

  16. “Who put Mugabe in power? George Bush?”

    Largely speaking the British Government and Henry Kissinger.

    “Let’s say for the sake of argument that Syria is a murderous government. Should the world under any circumstance intervene? Or should we tell the minority regime to do what it chooses?”

    Should the world? Yes. Should the United States or the West? No. Because it opens up a new precedent that countries can unilaterally intervene in the domestic affairs of another country for non national security reasons, a situation that is open to abuse.

  17. The key to stopping the Syrian genocide is Turkey. I think they will soon do the needful, details to be worked out.

  18. Turkey aren’t going to do it. They don’t want to open up the can of worms of unilateral attacks on a country simply because of human rights abuses because they happen to be quite high on that list themselves.

    They are currently in the process of sending a deaf, illiterate mute to prison for 25 years for having half a lemon.

  19. Seamus Who is the “World” ? Peter already pointed out nations in the east supporting Assad, So whose the world the west?

    and who in the west has any guns to give? The Brits, The Irish, certainly not NATO those are American weapons. No one except the US, Russia, China, The Islamists, The Jews, and the North Koreans have Armies.

  20. “Let’s say for the sake of argument that Syria is a murderous government.”

    No doubt it is, just like the “rebels” who slaughtered over 100 innocents a couple of weeks ago.

  21. The world is the west and the east. The only way that intervention is permissible without causing major problems is if they all agree. It is why there has been no intervention in Tibet, Turkey, Darfur etc.

  22. Turkey couldn’t care less about human rights. Well ok, maybe they care more than Russia.

    They will intervene to stop anarchy on their border, to keep the Kurd situation under control, to stop Iran and Russia making Syria an anti-Turkey colony and to protect the majority Sunni muslims against the Assad butcher gangs of Alawites. In roughly that order. Provided that the Arab League and Nato give them military cover. Which they will, when push comes to shove.

  23. Troll –

    “You would never survive in the US you would be eaten alive.”

    What’s that supposed to mean you moron?

    Eaten alive? By who, the millions of panty-wearing welfare addicts in love with government like you?

    Listen, I’ll happily buy you a beer one day, but first I’ll kick your scaredy American backside up and down the bar for all the bullshit you make me read.

  24. Peter,

    Do you think Russia will just sit there and scratch themselves while Turkey attacks one of their allies?

  25. no one will step into Syria

    No, watch Turkey. This was their next door colony for hundreds of years until 1918 and they so hate the Assad regime. And no-one can stop them if they decide to move.

    When Kuwait was invaded by Iraq in 1990, Sadaam Hussein demanded that the Turks should close the oil pipline to Europe. The Turks told him to go forth and multiply.

  26. Do you think Russia will just sit there and scratch themselves while Turkey attacks one of their allies?

    Yes. What could they do, invade Turkey?

    They might turn off the gas pipes to western Europe, but that would be a self-inflicted wound which would never heal. They are totally dependent on gas and oil exports, so the West has the whip hand on them. I would gladly go through energy pain to get free of those bastards for good.

  27. And what stops a Russian Government from invading Turkey for humanitarian reasons?

    Beyond parody.

  28. If Turkey can invade Syria for their treatment of civilians what is to stop another power invading Turkey for their treatment of Kurdish civilians?

  29. Seamus

    Can you really see Russia invading Turkey (or anywhere else) for humanitarian reasons? Jonathan Swift would have loved it 🙂

  30. Russia should seek to improve its relations with Mexico. Then we’ll see how easy it is for the US to control that frontier.

    The armchair warriors in the US should have a good look at where Syria is. If it is ‘legitimate’ for the US corporate-military to intervene in Syria, why should Russai or China not interven in the mayhem of the US’s south-western frontier where huge amounts of narco-dollars are being earned to fund the very wars which the US instigates thousands of miles from its shores?

  31. Allan

    Should Assad just be left alone to get on with his genocide? Has Turkey any right to intervene, or is it tainted as a member of Nato?

  32. I can’t see them doing it. I can see them claiming it. They already did it in Georgia.

    Also, Turkey isn’t tainted by it’s membership of NATO. It is tainted by its acts of thuggery against the Kurds. It is also one of the countries in the region who have actually at one point in time committed a genocide.

  33. Seamus

    I’m no fan of Turkey. But I can see it has a legitimate interest in what happens in Syria, and Lebanon.

  34. Assad’s genocide? Which part of the corporate media tells you what to think? The template of Libya whereby US/UK/French-supplied ‘rebels’ commit atrocities and the media immediately blame ‘the regime’ has already been tried out and the dupes who populate the west went with it because, well, if the BBC says so then it must be true.

    In China, there are more prisoners executed there than in that paragon of liberty and fairness, the US. I’m sure that those prisoners didn’t receive a fair trial and I’m sure that the crimes were relatively trivial. So Peter, assuming that you, as am I, are opposed to the way that Chinese authorities administer law and order, what would you do about that? Where else do you wish to intervene?

  35. It doesn’t matter what is legitimate or not. The only thing stopping complete and utter anarchy in the international stage is the few international rules that are largely enforced. One of the big ones is that one country will not interfere in the domestic affairs of another. If Turkey interferes in Syria without an international mandate and then isn’t appropriately sanctioned then the gloves are off. Russia can do what it likes where it likes and will constantly point to Turkey’s intervention for justification.

    And who is going to stand up to Russia?

  36. No. This isn’t an A) or B) issue. You can’t say that just because I’m not in favour of the West being able to invade another country because they feel like it that I’m in favour of the retention of a brutal dictator.

    If the Syrian people overthrow Assad then great. If Turkey, or America or NATO overthrow Assad then I fear the repercussions of such an act.

  37. The Brits and Americans are all time world champions in interfering in other countries affairs.

  38. Fews – An undeserving world at that, despite how much we’ve done. But we’ll come again when others would stand by.

  39. PM
    But I’m a peace loving man, and you want to fight me in a bar… we gonna relive the Quit Man?

    Look I can’t help that your nuts and I rub your crazy the wrong way, that’s your issue not mine…lol

  40. look the best thing for Syria, the region, and the world is if both sides of the internal battle kill as many of each other as possible

  41. If the Syrian people overthrow Assad then great. If Turkey, or America or NATO overthrow Assad then I fear the repercussions of such an act.

    These are not the only choices. And those are not the only outcomes either.

  42. Peter – for the record, I’m in favour of the US/UK/France axis of BS keeping its corporate-military out of other people’s countries, and that is for the record. Whether there is an Assad, Gadaffi or Saddam in any of these countries is of no concern to me as long as they don’t present any threat to my country and its well-being.

    For the record, Peter, which countries do you think should have their governments overthrown by external support/meddling? Syria, is one, Libya another; how about Iran?

  43. Should Assad just be left alone to get on with his genocide?

    Lets not devalue the term genocide. Its many things, among them a complete tragedy. But it isn’t genocide.

    Personally, I’d love to see the Syrians get rid of Assad, but they had better be prepared to protect what they have got, which is an immensely well resourced nation of industrious, honest people.

  44. DT

    Thats a good point. Genocide could happen, esp if things really spin out of control,but it has not hqppened yet

    I know prople who have visited Syria. They described the people as warm and friendly.

    I wish the people there well.

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