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Jackie McDonald is alleged to be a senior UDA terrorist commander. He has become friendly over recent years with the former Irish President Mary McAleese and her husband, playing golf with the latter, if I recall correctly. But don’t think he doesn’t repay such kindness…

Mr McDonald told the Belfast Telegraph he “hated” the Twelfth; described the annual demonstration as the “worst day of his year” and urged loyalist leaders in north Belfast to abandon a contentious return leg of a feeder parade at Ardoyne

Old McDonald has now been unceremoniously abandoned by his UDA pals, even THEY are now too embarrassed to associate with their great leader. I have long argued that there is little, if any, difference between the UDA, UVF and IRA. All criminals, all morally bankrupt, and all essential to keeping “the peace going”.  But where does it go?

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49 thoughts on “OLD MCDONALD HAD A PLAN…

  1. //But where does it go?//

    The outsider can’t but be impressed at how, after decades of murder and mayhem, the Twelfth these days amounts to little more than such grumblings. There can hardly be more blatant proof of the success of the GFA.

    Leave them to their own devices and all those threats of civil war will soon evaporate into uncivil words, Churchill said back in 1913. He was even more accurate than usual. If only people had listened to him.
    Nothing more than uncivil words now, and even they seem to remain within the respective “communities”.

  2. Yeah Noel, the intolerance by republicans reaching out the hand of friendship with petrol bombs and bricks and bottles really shows the rest of the world how to live together…

    If you think there is only ‘uncivil words’, then you are very, very badly informed.
    I won’t mention, ah, go on, I will, the INCREASE in ‘peace walls’ since the BA, and the further polarisation of our communities.

    That’s what happens when you appease terrorism instead of tackling the root cause and removing the cancer from within.

  3. ….”after decades of murder and mayhem” organised and implemented by the scum that have now been appeased and bought off and hailed as heroes of peace processing.
    For clarity.

  4. But don’t think he doesn’t repay such kindness…

    Interesting how you equate the Twelfth with Protestantism as opposed to the OO.

    I won’t mention, ah, go on, I will, the INCREASE in ‘peace walls’ since the BA, and the further polarisation of our communities

    What, IYO, is the reason for that LU?

  5. Paul,

    The basis on which the Belfast Agreement was built upon, ie, appeasement and sectarian polarisation is a natural consequence of it’s outworkings.

    The lack of integrated education, the insistence of us and them voting in the assembly, the mutual veto mechanism, the refusal to adhere to democracy and of course the government paying off the ira for no more bombs in london.

    That is a start.

  6. The basis on which the Belfast Agreement was built upon, ie, appeasement and sectarian polarisation is a natural consequence of it’s outworkings.

    Seriously? you don’t think that secterian polarisation existed before 1998?

  7. David,

    Thank you for the link to the Belfast Telegraph.

    Halfway down the page their correspondent Brian Rowan sheds light on the real issue.

    There will be those who will see sense in the idea floated by McDonald, the suggestion of a one-way ticket to the Field on the Twelfth and no return marches.

    And his description of it being “his worst day of the year” was a reference to the trouble he and other loyalists have to try to tidy up, rows often related to drink.

    It was not an attack on Orange culture. But there are others who are still playing with the parades issue, and Ardoyne in north Belfast is becoming another of those “last stand” places.

    In the background, UVF and UDA figures are pulling strings, as are dissidents on the other side.

    And they could create a mess that others will be left to clean up.

    That is what McDonald is trying to avoid.

    So yes, Mr McDonald, whatever his background, is attempting to bring reason to bear on your “contentious parades”. While I appreciate that Reason and Northern Ireland are uncomfortable bed-fellows, McDonald is to be praised not flayed.

  8. Paul,

    the Belfast Agreement not only copper fastened it, it institutionlised it and made it ‘acceptable’.

    It guarantees the demise of democracy and further segregation between the communities.

    In short, only a matter of time before it churns out even more hate filled individuals who will resort to violence, just like their ‘heroes’ did before them, who now sit in government laughing at their victims, with blood dripping off them, all while nationalists reward them with electoral support, and in your case, a blind eye to any call for justice.

    Shameful.

  9. And his description of it being “his worst day of the year” was a reference to the trouble he and other loyalists have to try to tidy up, rows often related to drink.

    Says it all, he thinks he is some sort of representative, when he is only a thug who is sickening to listen to with his bile and insipid remarks.

    He and the uda would be better off having a chat with the HET and maybe bring some comfort and closure to victim’s families.

    scum.

  10. // McDonald is to be praised not flayed.//

    Another interesting quote in the BT is from Sinn Fein MLA and former IRA man Gerry Kelly, who organises protests against OO parades in North Belfast on the Nationalist side.

    He said that the OO behaved correctly during the march and that the only trouble came from his own side!

  11. Noel,

    LOL. Good to see that, in some cases at least, age brings wisdom and maturity.

  12. The Belfast Agreement not only copper fastened it, it institutionlised it and made it ‘acceptable’.
    It guarantees the demise of democracy and further segregation between the communities

    I’d have thought that that was done previously in 1974 when the Sunningdale Agreement was brought down

    Says it all, he thinks he is some sort of representative, when he is only a thug who is sickening to listen to with his bile and insipid remarks

    He epresents the UDA. The same UDA that worked hand in glove with some loyalist politicians which brought down Sunningdale.

  13. Another vile human being that some seek to pass of as respectable.

    The McAleesces should be ashamed of themselves.

  14. Paul,

    I’d have thought that that was done previously in 1974 when the Sunningdale Agreement was brought down

    then you would have thought wrong as the agreement failed and wasn’t then implemented and wasn’t then acceptable, you silly billy.

    He represents the same uda that my community refuses to support at the polls.

    If only your community would follow suit and leave behind the ira dinosaurs, then we could get on with building a future for our children.

    (ps, I would take sunningdale in an instant in preference to the BA.)

  15. Then you would have thought wrong as the agreement failed and wasn’t then implemented and wasn’t then acceptable, you silly billy

    How did it fail? why wasn’t it implemented and who wasn’t it acceptable to?

    If only your community would follow suit and leave behind the ira dinosaurs, then we could get on with building a future for our children

    Indeed

    http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000h1IrMzIpQkE/s/860/860/Wilson-Michael-UDA-funeral-197306190449c.jpg

  16. obviously wasn’t acceptable to a majority of people, as nobody directly voted it in, as it was produced after elections on a pr basis, and therefore, it was always going to be unworkable, and undemocratic.

    For the record, the council of Ireland was the breaking point, as a majority of uup members voted against accepting it.

    In hindsight, I feel it was wrong, and would be much better than the shambles we have currently.

    As for your photo, rather poor old bean, here is a much better collection. hat tip to Mr Vance for posterity.

    PAYING HONOUR WHERE THERE IS NONE..

  17. Obviously wasn’t acceptable to a majority of people, as nobody directly voted it in, as it was produced after elections on a pr basis, and therefore, it was always going to be unworkable, and undemocratic

    Unlike the Belfast Agreement which was ratified by referendum?

    Now why don’t you answer how did it fail?

    As for your photo, rather poor old bean, here is a much better collection.

    Ah, so an obscure SDLP MLA going to a dissident Republican funeral makes it okay for a P/U/L icon to attend a UDA funeral thirty years previously?

    Funny that I didn’t hear any of those unionists that voted for him shouting about that.

  18. I don’t know as I’ve never said that so could you now answer the question how did it fail?

  19. Paul,

    but things are different sometimes, aren’t they?

    You have shown me and us all how that is the case.

    Actually, old bean, you fail again as the uda were legal,until 1992, dissident republicans are a proscribed organisation.

    But that will be different of course…

    I have already answered the question above. Can’t you read it?

    Here it is again; ‘obviously wasn’t acceptable to a majority of people, as nobody directly voted it in, as it was produced after elections on a pr basis, and therefore, it was always going to be unworkable, and undemocratic.’

  20. But things are different sometimes, aren’t they?
    You have shown me and us all how that is the case

    Except I haven’t as a matter of fact I said exactly the oppisite

    Paul McMahon, on July 11th, 2012 at 10:41 pm Said

    No it’s not different LU. I’ve already stated that I would have no problems with an investigation into direction of terrorism. To call for an inquiry into the alleged activities of one individual while disregarding the alleged activities of others goes against all tenats of that justice that you speak of.

    Actually, old bean, you fail again as the uda were legal,until 1992

    Oh I know, I’m sure those affected my their numerous murderous activities take great comfort in that

    Here it is again; ‘obviously wasn’t acceptable to a majority of people, as nobody directly voted it in, as it was produced after elections on a pr basis, and therefore, it was always going to be unworkable, and undemocratic.

    Unlike the Belfast Agreement which was ratified by referenda?

    And here’s the question again: Now why don’t you answer how did it fail?

    Or maybe you haven’t heard of the Ulster Workers Council ‘strike’?

  21. Paul,

    You’re off again sunshine!

    You said you would only support an inquiry if Kerr did.

    Kerr already did, but then, guess what?

    OOPS!

    About turn, don’t panic!

    Things then change and are different for the ira!

    You asked me the difference, see that word again, and I told you that thirty years ago, the uda were legal, things were different then, and at present attending the funeral of some member of an illegal organisation is even worse.

    I have already answered Paul, it failed because a majority of people rejected it and it was unworkable. That is the way democracy works, didn’t you know?

    Yes, I know about the UWS.

    Did they kill anyone?

    How many did marty’s ira kill?

    How many nationalists vote for mass murdering scum?

    But, yes, we know…that will be ‘DIFFERENT’

  22. Charles,

    you ever hear of HTC or Blackberry devices?

    Or are you stuck in a cave?

    Actually, don’t answer that…

  23. I understand the OO need to get over themselves, so do you. Why are so-called good prod celebrating a battle where men died for some silly english power struggle? not very christian is it.

  24. Charles,

    Did you mean ‘were’ men died, or were you meaning the actual location of the battle?
    I think tolerance is the way forward, not neanderthals shouting abuse at fellow dignified citizens.

  25. Charles,

    unlike you, obviously and your precocious usage of the Queen’s Engliash.

  26. You said you would only support an inquiry if Kerr did

    ?????

    Things then change and are different for the ira!

    As I’ve told you continuously, they’re not.

    You asked me the difference

    I didn’t,(more untruths), I said “Ah, so an obscure SDLP MLA going to a dissident Republican funeral makes it okay for a P/U/L icon to attend a UDA funeral thirty years previously?”

    And you came up with the feeble excuse about the UDA being a legal organisation until 1992 to which I replied:

    Oh I know, I’m sure those affected my their numerous murderous activities take great comfort in that

    Are you seriously suggesting that the unionist community didn’t know that the UDA were committing murder thirty years ago?

    How many did marty’s IRA kill?

    More than the UDA, but then again, the IRA were an illegal organisation si it was okay for Unionist politicians to work with the UDA during the UWC ‘strike’

    But, yes, we know…that will be ‘DIFFERENT’

    Yet more untruths

  27. Charles,

    you should write some poetry, I bet you could get a deal with someone and make a load of money.

    That is profound stuff …

  28. Things are DIFFERENT for your ira.

    LU,with all due respect you’re talking absolute cobblers as it’s only you that states that. I have never said that.

    Still, I suppose it’s better than trying to explain how a legal group like the UDA were allowed to literally get away with murder for years before they were made illegal and how unionist politicians had ow problems working with them as they were a legal group.

    And, BTW, glad to see you support the democratic credentials of the Belfast Agreement. It being ratified by free, open referenda and all.

  29. No Paul, you have proven it over the last 24 hours.

    You have shown how it becomes DIFFERENT when it is the ira under scrutiny.

    As for the uda, take a wee check above where I stated;

    He and the uda would be better off having a chat with the HET and maybe bring some comfort and closure to victim’s families.’

    I stood and still stand against ALL terrorism.

    Unlike hypocrites like you.

  30. You have shown how it becomes DIFFERENT when it is the ira under scrutiny

    No I haven’t you are parroting untruths again.

    He and the uda would be better off having a chat with the HET and maybe bring some comfort and closure to victim’s families.

    Yeah, but should the unionist politicians who worked with them when the were a legal group prior to 1992 also speak to the HET?

    Or maybe you think that’s different?

  31. All people who have openly ADMITTED commanding terrorism should be immediately reviewed by the HET.

    People who are alleged are yet to be proven.

    Get it?

    Anyone and everyone who is guilty of ANY crime has to answer to the rule of law and due process.

    EVERYONE.

  32. Richard

    There is enough of praising terrorists and thugs in NI. Any that Mc Donald has is more than his fair share.

  33. People who are alleged are yet to be proven

    You sure you’re not a Gerry Adam’s supporter?

    Anyone and everyone who is guilty of ANY crime has to answer to the rule of law and due process.
    EVERYONE

    Good. In that we agree.

  34. LU

    It would be great if the HET were given all the information relevant to the cases they are investigating. Although it’s capacity for processing it and indeed dealing with their workload appears to have been significantly compromised by getting rid of key agency staff.

  35. Paul, good. Now people who have openly ADMITTED involvement should be investigated, forthwith.

    Aileen,

    I know, and I understand the strain on many officers who I socialise with.

    I have written to Mr Ford for assistance with this and copied in the finance minister, so we will see…I won’t hold my breath.

    But, that’s what happens when you appease terrorism and bow to their demands…

  36. LU

    I am also trying to get answers about this. There is no evidence of the decision makers considering the risks of the decision, certainly not risks to anything a apparently inconsequential as service delivery.

  37. Aileen,

    Stormont is failing the people and I know I have my position about appeasing terrorism, but it is increasingly being bolstered.

    The current institution is built on keeping the bombers happy and pandering to their demands and the rest of ‘ordinary ‘ people, whatever that may be, are left looking on in desperation and without help.

    I hope they cut the amount of mla’s in half and give us effective government, but then again, world peace is probably easier…

  38. LU

    It was a PSNI decision though – the only about getting rid of agency staff.

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