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Looks like the Brotherhood doesn’t really like the Sisterhood.

Protesters threw tomatoes and shoes at U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s motorcade on Sunday during her first visit to Egypt since the election of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi. A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face, and shoes and a water bottle landed near the armoured cars carrying Clinton’s delegation in the port city of Alexandria after she gave a speech on democratic rights. Protesters chanted “Monica, Monica,” a reference to the extra-marital affair conducted by Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, while in the White House. Others earlier chanted “leave, Clinton” an Egyptian security official said.

So, looks like Obama’s support for the MB is working out real swell. What can possibly go wrong here? By the way, if you HAVEN’T visited the Pyramids, I would hurry up and plan a visit before the Islamists demolish them.

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63 thoughts on ““MONICA, MONICA”

  1. The Administration’s support has been for a peaceful civic election process and not for the MB itself.

  2. BULLSHIT!

    It’s been for and financing the Brotherhood, in Egypt, in Libya, and in every facet of the Arab spring. They have been bending over backwards to aid the MB in every nation in the ME. Stop living in denial Mahons.

    Now that being said this is a disgrace I don’t care that it was Hilary Clinton,,, where were our security forces? They could have just as easily been grenades as tomatoes. The whole time she was there her building was surrounded by protestors.

    These are unacceptable and amateurish mistakes. As soon as the building was surrounded she either should have been moved into the embasy compound or had a contingent of marines cordon off the area.

  3. now your in trouble you got the wife smacking you down…lol

    Mahons the administration has been giving them money since Libya

  4. What happened to the Egyptian Spring???? lol

    and what happened to all the Lefties – including Mahons – who claimed that the movement should be given a chance, that takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood was not an obvious done deal???

    I remember commenting on these pages that takeover by the Brotherhood was obvious – and deeply unfortunate – if the Revolution was encouraged to go forward. And it was encouraged by the Left and the Obama Administration – and I was told that I was a pessimist and worse.

  5. Now Mahons argues that the Brotherhood takeover is “inevitable.” what a joke. just as Sharia Law is “inevitable” in the Eastern US – as well as Britain for that matter – if not stopped.

    Obama Adminstration argues for a “peaceful civic election process” …… what a crock.

  6. The Germans elected Hitler, the Boers elected the Apartheid government, and the Egyptians elected the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The GW Bush principle that ” democracy is always so wonderful ” is deeply simplistic. Not everyone can handle democracy. And even more importantly, not everyone understands it the same way, esp as regards respect for minority rights.

  7. Yes, and it they choose the ‘wrong’ party (ie MB) then it’s not democracy!!!

  8. They elected an oppressor party, the movement that Al Queda morphed out of.

    Watch and see what happens.

  9. Typical …. er.. untruths from Troll and Patty on this thread again.

    The Obama administration is not financing the MB (see troll’s link).
    The USD 1.3 bn in aid is part of a continuing programme of financial/military aid that has been going Egypts way for decades. There is no change here. In fact, the aim has been declining steadily in recent years, and it was never as high as under Bush (over USD 2 bn in both 2003 and 2003, no doubt to make the Egyptian sweet on Bush’s ME wars)

    Some facts:

    – this aid goes to the Egyptian government and military, not to the MB. Who the Egyptian government would be was not clear in March when this was decided, and still isn’t.

    – Aid to Israel and Egypt makes up OVER ONE THIRD of all US aid. A collosal figure, and the two can be mentioned together as the aid to Egypt has always been to a significant extent just to bribe that country into peace with Israel.

    – Israel is very much in favour of this aid (yes, this present aid) to Egypt, and the Israeli govt was dismayed when the US suspended aid payments early this year. Israel knows that aid to Egypt is in no small measure essentially aid for Israel, as it safeguards its southern flank, allows it do what it will in Gaza etc.

    – a related fact: most of the aid to Egypt (and this present tranche is no exception) is in the form of military aid. This of course keeps the military – which until recently was where real power in Egypt lay – firmly on the side of US/Israel. One of the reasons the military is so much against the present government is that they feared a more independent Egypt would jeopardise all that cash and guns and bombs for them.

    – a further related fact: a huge amount of this aid is earmarked for military spending only with US armaments companies and creates jobs in the US. One reason Obama’s govt wanted it resumed is because suspension would lead to job cuts in the US, bad news in an election year. Lockheed has very strong ties to the Egyptian military.

    In short, what the Trolls wrote just couldn’t be more wrong.

  10. elections have consequences. In most parts of the world those consequences can be irreversible without the spilling of blood.

    The Pallies chose Hamas in Gaza, the Egyptians chose the MB, the Libyans now have the Al-Quaeda flag flying over the capitol, these people all made their choices.

    Now in all those places they won’t get another choice, oh well shit happens.

    We made our choice 4 yrs ago, we will get to correct that choice in just a few short months. The Obama administration has been providing money to the Muslim Brotherhood for 3 years. They released the 100s of millions we were holding back from the Palestinians, they paid for the brotherhood to take control of Libya. The have already released aid money to the new egyptian government.

    If you choose to ignore facts or poo poo them that is your choice. It makes you an ass and a fool but god bless ya According to the rules I live by you have the choice to be an asshole if that is where your heart takes you.

    We have the choice not to follow you, and to point and laugh.

    As we speak preparations for war are taking place all over the middle east. Our Secretary of State was attacked and harassed the entire time she was in Egypt. and the administration said nothing.

    These people are not our friends, they are not our allies. They are the Enemy and we helped them to power and the current regime in the White House will aid them further.

  11. More untruths from Noel.

    You are on record here, as well, saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is “inevitable.”

  12. Phantom: “The GW Bush principle….”

    lol. Of course! fit’s Bush’s fault! forget about Obama’s “lead from behind” nonsense – it’s gotta be Bush’s fault!

  13. There is no “GW Bush principle”.

    For most of the last century, Washington has followed a progressive, Wilsonian foreign policy. GWB, and now Obama, have simply fallen into line with that.

  14. and how is GWs shoot first ask questions later in any way similar to ANY Wilsonian Policy.

    Please post an example

  15. First – Patty as a serial liar claims that I have said the MB is inevitable. Utterly false

    Second – Troll and his Monica – kindly show where the Administration has given the MB as PARTY any financial support. No, we know you can’t. Funds have been approved for the Egyptian government. Let me lay it down for you after years of reading your baloney – everyone here knows you won’t tell the truth, a few don’t point it out because they may side with you, but you have the credibility of the boy who cried wolf.

  16. Mahons once again ignoring facts.

    What do you call the 1.3 Billion Hillary released to Egypt against Congressional mandate? What do you call the 3 Billion given to to Hamas an arm of the MB in Gaza also against congressional mandate? What do you call the violation of the war powers act in the conducting of the Libya operation?

    In all 3 instances the MB received both money and or arms against the will of congress. If I’m wrong make your case why.

    and not just your usual bullshit, try persuading for once with some facts, or at least justifications.

  17. No, they didn’t. Such a falsehood is not made true because you read it on some rightwing internet site.

  18. here is a piece in Alarabiya hardly a right wing source. now it only talks about the one payment 192 Million but that he released, you can find info at usa today (another right wing source) about an 80 million payment.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/27/210720.html

    All this money was to remain frozen until the Pallies recognize Israel’s right to exist but Obama just bypassed that trivial bit.

    The whole package of aid is worth 3 billion.

    You really aren’t informed on much are you? Yet you make statements on things you feel, rather than on actual events or facts

  19. Do you read your own nonsense? Even that article is about a release of money to the Palestinian Authority and not the Muslim Brotherhood.

  20. The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamass, Hamass is a subdivision of the MB.

    Yes we know Mahons it’s Bush’s fault.

    If the denial that Hamass is part of the MB is the best you have it only confirms how ill-informed you really are.

  21. President Barack Obama said it was appropriate to release funds to the authority, which administers the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    That authority is Hamass

    Based on the principles of Islamic fundamentalism gaining momentum throughout the Arab world in the 1980s, Hamas was founded in 1987 (during the First Intifada) as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

  22. Yeah I’m the jerk and your the intellectual elite, keep telling yourself that.

  23. Troll –

    “and how is GWs shoot first ask questions later in any way similar to ANY Wilsonian Policy.

    Please post an example”

    Too easy. “Wilsonian” refers to a foreign policy which is interventionist in the spread of democracy and securing “national interests”. It rejects (what’s wrongly dubbed) isolationism. It was a break from what had gone before and has been the overwhelmingly influential foreign policy philosophy in Washington ever since.

    GWB’s invasion of Afghanistan and pre-emptive aggression against Iraq, which he repeatedly linked to spreading democracy and the US national interest, were Wilsonian interventions.

    Wilson wasn’t a communist, although he was a Progressive. He believed in social activism, spreading government, deep intervention in the economy and that the power of government must be brought to bear on others for their own good, even if the victims were opposed. This is the root of Wilsonianism. In terms of foreign policy, it was later boosted by the Trotskyite neocon belief of permanent revolution abroad to promote national interests.

    I have repeatedly out to you and Patty that the foreign policy which you want is Progressive and Trotskysite. It is anti-conservative.

    Wilson’s (and FDR’s) strongest opponents on this were the conservatives of the day. Since the neocon takeover they have become known as the Old Right or paleoconservatives.

  24. And … Troll –

    “The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamass”

    No it’s not. The PA is the administrative authority for the West Bank and Gaza Strip. However, it refuses to recognise Hamas authority in Gaza and they split, so the PA now exercises authority over the West Bank. Far from Hamas controlling the PA, they are opponents.

  25. UH excuse me the Palestinians in Gaza voted in Hamass as their leadership in Gaza.

    Gaza is where the bulk of the money has gone, and is continuing to go.

  26. They voted for them in the West Bank too but that was *cough* overruled by the ‘international community’!

  27. oh excuse me though I forget myself if I say it’s true it has to be a lie according to our chief truth detector and all knowing Lawyer of ATW. So do a little research, try this headline from the Washington Post another right wing rag that came up first on a simple search

    Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in …
    http://www.washingtonpost.com › World › Middle EastJan 26, 2006 – RAMALLAH, West Bank, Jan. 26 — The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to …

    I know it’s a shame I make things up…..

  28. Troll, I think any objective appraisal would show that about half of all your statements on ATW are plain lies. On this thread, mind you, the rate is about 80 percent.

  29. yet I’m the only one who puts up sources. I know they are such packs of lies like the constitution, and right wing rags like Alarabia and the Washington Post.

    But you guys trump all trivial things like facts and documentation. You have that Supreme Source of information…. Your feelings

  30. Troll, and sound sources you put up invariably say the opposite of what you think they prove.

  31. yet I’m the only one who puts up sources

    That said, you were caught plagiarising recently.

  32. Petr no I wasn’t, you tried to make that case and lost. Besides how does that apply here? And better yet If I used someone else’s work how does that make me a liar?

    Noel post the example of where what I posted said the opposite.

    You guys talk a lot, but lack substance

  33. Troll the Proud Plagiariser:

    I freely admit I pull things out of others articles, I make no bones about it, never have. I am not a paid journalist, I make no profit from anything I write. I have always pulled good thoughts and lines from others. When it is a really good article I link it.
    Pulling information from multiple sources and putting them into an order and form that expresses my beliefs is most oftgen the best way of writting a point out so that even the limited like yourself may understand it.

    Then on April 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm:

    I stand corrected, I have once in the past put up words without sourcing them, I never claimed them as my own.
    It is still plagiarism.
    So I am wrong, Petr is right.
    Good bye

  34. Troll the Proud Plagiariser:

    I freely admit I pull things out of others articles, I make no bones about it, never have. I am not a paid journalist, I make no profit from anything I write. I have always pulled good thoughts and lines from others. When it is a really good article I link it.
    Pulling information from multiple sources and putting them into an order and form that expresses my beliefs is most oftgen the best way of writting a point out so that even the limited like yourself may understand it.

    Then on April 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm:

    I stand corrected, I have once in the past put up words without sourcing them, I never claimed them as my own.
    It is still plagiarism.
    So I am wrong, Petr is right.
    Good bye

  35. Troll has more honor than you ever will, Mahons.

    But I can’t blame you too much for the tendency to resort to personal libelous statements whenever the debate gets tough.

    This is what the Left does.

    Why, at the present moment the Left is trying to redefine Romney as a “felon” – it’s laughable now but when its repeated enough the slur might stick. No substance to it – but personal slurs is all – and I mean, ALL the Left has.

    You can’t win on issues, Mahons and the Left you represent – all you have is libel, redirect, and bullshit.

  36. //More untruths from Noel.
    You are on record here, as well, saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is “inevitable.”//

    //Now Mahons argues that the Brotherhood takeover is “inevitable.” what a joke.//

    //I remember commenting on these pages that takeover by the Brotherhood was obvious//

    Patty, what on earth do these comments of yours, taken together, mean?

  37. 1. the Left – including you and Mahons – waited with baited breath for the Arab Spring to flower into lovely freedom flowers – despite common sense and evidence, such as the polls in Egypt, to the contrary

    2. Now that the Muslim Brotherhood has consolidated power, the Muslim Brotherhood is “inevitable.” Despite the fact that the Left in the West said a short time prior that freedom would soon flower.

    and I predict that you and Mahons will soon be hand wringing over the tyranny and trampling on human rights that will soon follow in Egypt thanks to the nature of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I also predict that neither you nor Mahons, nor any of the other Left commentators here at ATW will be outraged or even notice the puerile cheerleading for freedom indulged in by the MSM and the Obama Administration – as if there is no cause and effect. By cheerleading and egging on the Muslim Brotherhood, the Left in the West aided and abetted their ascendence in the Middle East.

    Left wing stupidity throughout history has led to tyranny and a loss of human rights – and the hard core on the Left do not, or cannot, notice or admit the cause and effect between their policies and product.

  38. In a nutshell, Noel, and I mean no personal disrespect to you – I am pointing out that you, Mahons and other Leftists here at ATW, are – as the Soviets used to say, “useful idiots.”

  39. Patty, there are many things false – demonstrably false – in what you write.

    The “Left” did not cheer on the Muslim Brotherhood. It did cheer on the movement to overthrow the dictators in Egypt and elsewhere. Everyone was aware that that movement included the MB, but it was nowhere certain that the MB would take power and it still isn’t.

    I never said the MB was “inevitable”. I have no idea what put that into your head. I may of course have said that democracy is inevitable, or that revolt was inevitable. Quite the contrary: I have said that the MB will NOT have exclusive power in Egypt, that it needs the support of its liberal allies (albeit ad-hoc allies for the time being) to get anywhere near power. I said that today, yesterday and the day before. If you want me to show you where you are wrong here, I can.

    Nobody said the Arab Spring was going to lead easily to freedom. I didn’t, and mahons certainly didn’t either. I always said that it is a step in the right direction and definitely better than what was before. I don’t know if mahons even agreed with that.

    It is nonsense to say that “the Muslim Brotherhood has now consolidated power”. Nobody who knows anything about Egypt could claim that. Political power is still in the hands of the army and its civilian cronies. Read the newspapers or listen to the news.

    Lastly, the Soviets did not use to say “useful idiots.”. The phrase was invented by conservatives in the west as something they would like to have the SU say about liberals in the west. You know, the same way you claim that people said things they didn’t, just to make life easier for you and feed your prejudices.

    In short, you know nothing about Egypt or the Middle East or who says or believes what about it. You can continue to chase Mahons around the Internet as far as I’m concerned, but when you quote me try to repeat what I said and not your own ravings.

  40. What some of us said, too was that Egyptians had the right to determine who their leaders should be.

    That does not in any way mean that we endorse the choices that have been made.

    We weren’t going to endorse Mubarak or anyone else crushing the rebellion with guns.

  41. Noel: “Lastly, the Soviets did not use to say “useful idiots.”. The phrase was invented by conservatives in the west as something they would like to have the SU say about liberals in the west.”

    Seriously? Are you rewriting history intentionally or through ignorance? If ignorant, you need to research the Soviet Union propaganda machine and their interface with the Western “intellectual.”

    Are you familiar with Walter Duranty, the Pulitzer Prize Winner? He was a reporter for The New York Times and he defended Stalin as Stalin held show trials and denied the existence of the Gulags. Or take George Bernard Shaw – I know you know him – in the early 1930’s he denied the famines, claimed they were “nonsense.” Did he know better, or was he just a “useful idiot?”

    You know better than this, Noel. Pull my leg if you like – but I don’t think many are fooled.

    “You know, the same way you claim that people said things they didn’t, just to make life easier for you and feed your prejudices.” You project, Noel.

  42. He didn’t say that there were not ” useful idiots ”

    He said that it wasn’t the Soviets who coined the term, or used it – that it was coined and used by conservative critics of the idiots.

  43. The actual Soviet term used was undoubtedly in Russian – the English phrase is a translation.

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