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THAT IRISH CHARM

By David Vance On July 18th, 2012

Ah but sure doesn’t the world just love the Irish and the “craic” they bring with them everywhere. Take this story;

The mayor of Poznan is due to visit Ireland this week to express his gratitude to Ireland’s Euro 2012 fans who visited the city. Ryszard Grobelny will personally thank the fans who brought such great “craic” to the city.

Here’s an example of that “craic” that so impresses; It’s Poland.

70 Responses to “THAT IRISH CHARM”

  1. That’s it!? That’s the ‘abuse’ the English team ‘suffered’ at the hands of Irish fans!?

    A large crowd sings those abusive, controversial songs, ‘You’ll never beat the Irish’ and ‘the Fields of Athenry’, and you feel the need to post a thread on it!?

    The worst things in this video are that a) They were wrong. It turned out to be more than a little easy to ‘beat the Irish’, and b) shouting ‘Terry is a racist’ a few times. Apparently he has been cleared of that charge, so he mustn’t be racist.

    Terry is smiling as they shout it. He’s obviously terrified. Hodgson gets off the bus and waves at the baying pack of animals! He must be shitting it! And how did Wayne Rooney even get off the coach without an armed guard, as the hate-filled, psychopathic crowd snarled ‘Rooney! Rooney!’ at him!?

    Or maybe this is a poor attempt at complaining about Irish fans, just because the mayor of a foreign city complimented them on their behaviour. This is poor.

    All that happened here is a large crowd, with a fairly large contingent of Irish fans included, went to meet the English team at their hotel. There are more cheers than boos, and individual players are singled out for a bit of abuse (Terry, and it lasts about 2 seconds – and he smiles) and a more normal, friendly chant (Rooney). Not a single missile is thrown, and there is no mass charge to break through the barriers to attack the team. I dare say England have faced far, far worse. In fact, no more than would happen at an ordinary Premier League match. Possibly better behaved, actually. Really poor stuff.

  2. Please, 20 loud mouths hardly constitutes the entire green army. Besides its a bit of football banter and john terry should expect it lol

  3. I am shocked, shocked that there were a few unruly fans attending a football event. Clearly a few fans are not only representative of all fans, but an entire nation. Thank God England has never had a single unruly fan.

  4. ‘FOOTBALL FANS BANTER OPPOSING TEAM SHOCKAAA!!”

    I can hear a barrell being scraped somewhere in a pathetic attempt to discredit football fans being officially complimented on their behaviour by a Mayor from a different country. (Just as the Mayor of Manchester congratulated Glasgow Rangers Sevco Scotland Limited fans in 2008)

    I wonder if those sour grapes taste bitter?

    On John Terry, after he was found not guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand he apparently left the court and went straight out to paint the town white in celebration.

  5. Erm, has anyone considered David may be sincere, and NOT being sarcastic?

    Just a thought 🙂

  6. “You’ll never beat the Irish” *cringe*

    But as others have said, a bit of harmless fun.

  7. Mahons, they’re not even being unruly, they’re just being fans. There are a few boos, but that’s nothing compared to, for example, Adebayor got, when he faced Arsenal for the first time after he had sold out defected left…

  8. Since we are tarring all with the same brush then I call on the Parades Commission to ban all loyalist flute bans due to the disgraceful actions of the YCV Shankill band

  9. Seimi –

    The difference is, when Adebayor faced Arsenal, Arsenal fans were supposed to be there.

    Now if the Mayor of Poznan wants to go on a freebie to the RoI (let’s not think he’s paying for it) then that’s their business, but to say it’s congratulate Irish fans is clearly an excuse.

    Yeah, it was a bit of banter when Irish fans decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel, and it included such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs. Such a craic.

    I’m glad they did it, to be honest. They’ve long been the most conceited bunch around, telling the world that jeez, they’re just there for the craic oh- and fuck the Queen and all that begorrah aren’t we so lovable?

    No, they’re not lovable, they never have been, and now that youtube and cheap cameras exist we can see exactly what they’ve always got up to. Fine, let them carry on, but drop the blarney.

  10. Seimi – It is a part of a pattern. Substitute Irish with young black Americans, Muslims, etc. and you’ll see the pattern. The acts of a few are supposed to represent the entire group.

  11. paul what have RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB got to do with this?

    we have never been GLASGOW RANGERS only RANGERS.

    RANGERS were formed in 1872 the COMPANY that went into liquidation this year 2012 was formed in 1899.Thats why it is called a NEWCO,CO being short for COMPANY.Clubs play football COMPANIES look after the buisness side.

    tell me paul which team do you support,

    celtic football and athletic club,

    celtic football club plc,

    or pacific shelf 595.

  12. Pete:

    Such a craic.

    lol

  13. Pete-

    I didn’t hear ‘Fuck the Queen’ in there at all, but if it’s shouted, it’s by a tiny minority. That in itself is wrong, but it’s also wrong to tar the entirety of Irish football fans with the same brush.

    ‘The difference is, when Adebayor faced Arsenal, Arsenal fans were supposed to be there.’

    ‘Yeah, it was a bit of banter when Irish fans decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel,’

    That crowd is quite clearly made up of different nationalities, so why pick on just the Irish fans? When any international team of any standing travel anywhere, football fans will gather to see the star players of their own favourite domestic teams. Are you honestly saying that the Irish shouldn’t be allowed to do that?

    ‘pro-IRA songs’

    Like what? I didn’t hear any…

  14. Paul what have RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB got to do with this?

    The thread is about the behaviour of football fans BJC, I have some friends from Manchester who told me that Rangers, (I stand corrected), supporters caused more damage to Manchester than either the Luftwaffe or IRA ever could so I thought it appropriate to mention it.

    Tell me paul which team do you support?

    I’m not a big fan of league football but there’s a number of clubs that I like to see doing well.

    The difference is, when Adebayor faced Arsenal, Arsenal fans were supposed to be there

    Pete, you do realise that Krakow has a direct air link to both Dublin & Belfast and was probably most Irish fans way of travelling to Poznan don’t you?

    Yeah, it was a bit of banter when Irish fans decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel, and it included such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs. Such a craic

    Are you referring to the video of eight or so supporters singing that well known IRA song the Fileds of Athenry?

  15. “Thank God England has never had a single unruly fan.”

    Thanks Mahons.
    We hold our own..
    whilst squeezing the other guy’s as hard as we can.

    ‘Ere we go ‘Ere we go, ‘Ere we go,
    ‘Ere we go ‘Ere we go ‘Ere we go-o!!

    (Actually I don’t like football. Attracts too many intellectuals.)

  16. Rangers are feeding the fish bigjockcanoe lol GIRUY

  17. Seimi –

    There are plenty of videos on the web of Irish fans singing those songs.

    Look, there were no Croats or Germans or Portuguese or fans from almost all the competing nations outside the hotel. Fans almost always gather just where there own team is staying. Very few would deliberately gether in any significant number, on neutral soil, to jeer a particular team.

    That Irish fans did so for the England team is no surprise at all to anyone who knows what they’re really like. It was a moment when people could see through the baloney at their true of a significant number who follow the team.

    Look, I don’t mind. I’ve been going to football matches since 1977. There’s nothing I haven’t seen or heard. I know what fans are like. The point is that a significant number of Ireland fans have always fooled others into thinking they’re somehow a bit different. They’re not, they never have been, and where England is concerned they’re as bad a anyone.

  18. bigjockcanoe

    Good luck to the Glasgow Rangers in their next soccer-ball match.

  19. Fans almost always gather just where there own team is staying. Very few would deliberately gether in any significant number, on neutral soil, to jeer a particular team.

    No doubt you see the funny side of this Pete?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2001/aug/31/pressandpublishing.football

    There are plenty of videos on the web of Irish fans singing those songs

    I’ll ask again. Are you referring to the video of eight Irish supporters singing the Fields of Athenry in Poznan? Because I didn’t hear “such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs” when “Irish fans decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel” in Krakow.

  20. Paul McMahon –

    I’m referring to a few videos which were on youtube at the time, some had a handful of fans in them, some had a more.

    Some Irish fans are scum, get over it.

  21. Aye true that Pete. Hardly enough of them to warrant an article about “the irish” though.

  22. Apart from the usual suspects, can we link to any articles from say French, German, or Italian sources complaining about the conduct of the Irish football supporters at international matches?

    I’m well aware that matches against against England would well be a different deal, but if some of the fans are so horrible, I’m sure that there will be lots of criticisms from non-British sources.

  23. I’m referring to a few videos which were on youtube at the time, some had a handful of fans in them, some had a more

    So you concede that Irish fans have never

    decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel, and it included such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs.

    In the context of the English team’s hotel?

    I’ll ask yet again, are you referring to the video in Poznac?

  24. Some Irish fans are scum, get over it

    This is what real scum look like Pete.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTIwEo-W_xU

  25. Ah yes. Best of Britain.

  26. Paul,
    horrible clip
    horrible behaviour
    and it’s one of the reasons I don’t like football.
    I think football is often a vehicle for angry people to vent their feelings whilst pretending it’s all about team loyalty and support..

  27. That’s a reasonable theory Agi but there are hundreds of thousands of real supporters of both national and league teams as well.

  28. Soccer’s connections with nationalism and racism are one of the reasons the sport will never achieve big league status in the US.

    You can keep it.

  29. ” but there are hundreds of thousands of real supporters of both national and league teams as well.

    Of course there are Paul, of course there are. But football attracts a certain kind of angry, ignorant person, who uses the anonymity of the crowd and the sheer emotional energy generated, to spill their anger, hatred and bigotry.
    And you very very rarely see anything like that at a rugby union match..

    Incidentally, I don’t agree with any group being referred to as “scum,” be they Irish, English or anyone else.
    Just as I don’t like our British Army lads being referred to as cowards and murderers.

  30. ‘ The point is that a significant number of Ireland fans have always fooled others into thinking they’re somehow a bit different.’

    Surely the impression of Irish fans internationally is based on their behaviour, as percieved by the hosts when abroad, rather than some big plot to ‘fool’ the host nation? Or are you seriously suggesting that a ‘significant’ number of Irish fans purposely plan to behave well and get on with the locals in order to fool them? ‘Cos if that’s the plan, they certainly do it well.

    ‘Some Irish fans are scum, get over it.’

    The significant word here is ‘some’, not all, or most. Some Irish fans are scum, therefore tar them all with the same brush. Fair enough.

  31. “Ah yes. Best of Britain.”

    Stone the crows, half of that lot were Special Branch! Decent England fans have taken alot of stick for that night. Let an eye witness – me, who was in that stand – tell you what happened.

    England had last played in Dublin in 1990, when some groups of England fans got a bit of a kicking after the game along with a rendition of the usual songs. These being pre-youtube days, and England fans being the victims, it never was reported. England = yobs, Ireland = just here for the craic. That’s how it goes.

    Five years later and England are in Dublin again, I’m there too and C18 has decided to come along for the ride. The official line is that C18 is a far-right, neo-Nazi gang. The reality is that it’s so infiltrated by coppers, if they left there’d be no C18.

    That afternoon tere were a few incidents. The Garda roughed up a few England fans, there were a few scuffles and the atmosphere was very tense.

    In the ground Ireland fans decided to lighen the atmosphere by jeering GSTQ, insulting the Queen and singing IRA songs. No complaints, afterall England fans are no strangers to jeering a national anthem. the atmosphere deteriorated. C18/Special Branch decided to chuck seats onto the pitch, Ireland fans who had been put into that section were desperate to get out, the ref abandoned the match, England’s name is mud again and the Irish are angels.

    It came out after that the Garda was given a detailed brief about C18 plans, what they intended, which individuals were travelling to the match and so on. How did the police know all this? The Garda did nothing at all. why not? Questions, questions.

    That’s what happened and the context around it, not that it really matters now. The propaganda was accepted immediately and minds are fixed. But I can explain on here how it went down, and Irish fans and the Garda were partly culpable.

  32. And you very very rarely see anything like that at a rugby union match

    That’s true and rugby is a much more skilful game.

    Incidentally, I don’t agree with any group being referred to as “scum,” be they Irish, English or anyone else.

    Me neither, normally I wouldn’t lower myself to do such a thing. I was just using Pete’s language to make a point.

  33. And a good point it was, Paul. Despite Pete’s bullshit balanced eye-witness account above, this is but one example of base thuggery on the part of English fans.

  34. Pete,
    True or not true, where does it take us?
    If you go to a match where it’s practically guaranteed that there will be tensions, WHY go?
    Why go to a Rangers Celtic match? It’s not going to be about football, it’s going to be about reinforcing and prolonging historic “tribal” rivalries.
    I wouldn’t take a kid into an atmosphere like that.. unless my intention was to imbue a sense of hostility towards them others in him.

  35. ‘ C18/Special Branch decided to chuck seats onto the pitch…’

    So it was the cops wot did it? LOL! 🙂 How come they didn’t start chucking seats etc. on to the pitch when the score was still 0-0? How come it only kicked off after Ireland went 1-0 up? Why would Special Branch allow English people to go to a foreign country and start trouble like that? In fact, plan and take part in trouble like that?

    That night at Lansdowne did decent English fans no favours, you’re right, and I’ve said before that the ‘decent’ fans have made massive efforts to clean up their tarnished image. Maybe I should have just said – some English fans are scum. Get over it. That seems to cover the facts, doesn’t it?

    For the record – I don’t like labelling any group of people as scum either. Just paraphrasing Pete.

  36. Agit8ed –

    It takes us nowhere, but are we not allowed to defend ourselves? Why not ask Tarasov why he posted the video? Go and him where that gets us.

    England fans have sometimes been unfairly and ignorantly maligned over the years. No-one else willd efend us, particularly a media which has often been most unfair and ignorant. Tarasov’s video shows half a story, I chose to fill in the rest.

  37. Are you being serious Pete? let’s have a look at some of the points you raise.

    England had last played in Dublin in 1990, when some groups of England fans got a bit of a kicking after the game along with a rendition of the usual songs. These being pre-youtube days, and England fans being the victims, it never was reported. England = yobs, Ireland = just here for the craic. That’s how it goes

    Pre you tube, not reported?, (even by British tabloid media?) That’s conveniant.

    Five years later and England are in Dublin again, I’m there too and C18 has decided to come along for the ride. The official line is that C18 is a far-right, neo-Nazi gang. The reality is that it’s so infiltrated by coppers, if they left there’d be no C18

    You’re not Allan in disguise are you? Of course C18 are infiltrated by cops. Are you saying that the British police were responsible for the Landsdowne Rd riot?

    Half of that lot were Special Branch!

    Again very conveniant that there’s no proof of that.

    That afternoon tere were a few incidents. The Garda roughed up a few England fans, there were a few scuffles and the atmosphere was very tense

    If that’s the truth I’m sure that the English fans were absolutely blameless.

    In the ground Ireland fans decided to lighen the atmosphere by jeering GSTQ, insulting the Queen and singing IRA songs.

    Really? This video would disagree : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcdnzeoBJT4 but then that’s probably just persecution of the poor English fans again.

    C18/Special Branch decided to chuck seats onto the pitch, Ireland fans who had been put into that section were desperate to get out, the ref abandoned the match, England’s name is mud again and the Irish are angels.

    Honest guv, we didn’t do naffink, it was all the Plod.

    It came out after that the Garda was given a detailed brief about C18 plans, what they intended, which individuals were travelling to the match and so on. How did the police know all this? The Garda did nothing at all. why not? Questions, questions

    What were they going to arrest them under? Strange that you are advocating the state use it’s power in this way.

    That’s what happened and the context around it, not that it really matters now. The propaganda was accepted immediately and minds are fixed. But I can explain on here how it went down, and Irish fans and the Garda were partly culpable

    What happened was that English supporters tore up seating in Landsdowne Road and started a riot at a football match.

    Pathetic attempted excuse for football hooliganism.

    Back to the questions which remain unanswered:

    So you concede that Irish fans have never

    “Decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel, and it included such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs.”
    In the context of the English team’s hotel?”

    I’ll ask yet again, are you referring to the video in Poznac?

  38. Why not ask Tarasov why he posted the video? Go and him where that gets us.

    I didn’t post it you pillock.

  39. Here we go again.

    Seimi –

    “How come it only kicked off after Ireland went 1-0 up?”

    It was kicking off on a lower level at 0-0. In fact the mood became particularly ugly when a large part of the crowd gave GTSQ a warm welcome. It kicked off properly when england had an equaliser ruled out. That was spark which set it off.

    “Why would Special Branch allow English people to go to a foreign country and start trouble like that? In fact, plan and take part in trouble like that?”

    Dunno. Politics is a funny thing. I’ve always thought that it was connected with London/Belfast/Dublin talks which were going on at the time. Why would coppers pretend to be students or anti-globalist protestors? Whatever the reason, they do so routinely.

  40. Tarasov –

    Well whichever wally posted it then.

  41. Truth hurts, Pete. As I said, it’s one example of many.

  42. Well whichever wally posted it then.

    I was the “wally” that posted it Pete. It was done in reaction to your sanctimonious comment :

    Some Irish fans are scum, get over it

    To show you how real scum act. And all you do is bleat and excuse.

  43. ‘ No complaints, afterall England fans are no strangers to jeering a national anthem.’

    ‘In fact the mood became particularly ugly when a large part of the crowd gave GTSQ a warm welcome.’

    These two sentences seem to be saying different things. Which one is true/correct? The English fans were either not worried about the jeering of GSTQ, or they were unhappy, so unhappy, in fact, that they decided to riot. Oh sorry, it was the undercover cops who started the riot after England had a goal disallowed, to disrupt the London/Belfast/Dublin talks isn’t that it? Why would the police decide to disrupt talks by their own government? By their employers? Were British police in England so unhappy with the situation in Northern Ireland and the relationship between England, Ireland and Northern Ireland at the time that they thought they could bring it down by starting a riot at an international football match?

    Like Paul said, Pete, this is a really poor attempt to excuse football fans rioting.

  44. Paul McMahon –

    Yes, pre-youtube and ignored by the media. Listen, the last people on the planet who’d write anything good about English football fans are Fleet Street football hacks.

    Yes, C18 is heavily infiltrated by the rozzers. No-one denies that.

    You mawkish propaganda video disagrees with nothing with what I said about GTSQ being jeered because that bit made the cutting room floor.

    I’m takling about Poznan and Krakow. Where do you tink I’m talking about, Peking?

    Stop being so proud and conceited. Just accept that some Irish fans are unsavoury characters. You’re getting a bit of mild criticism here. Man up and take it.

  45. FFS.

    Seimi –

    “‘ No complaints, afterall England fans are no strangers to jeering a national anthem.’

    ‘In fact the mood became particularly ugly when a large part of the crowd gave GTSQ a warm welcome.’

    These two sentences seem to be saying different things.”

    Yes, because they’re different sentences! GTSQ was played first and the Irish fans started up then. Ok?

  46. Just noticed you wrote this:-

    ‘Dunno. Politics is a funny thing.’

    So – The British government, to disrupt the London/Belfast/Dublin talks, whilst also attending said talks, got Special Branch to infiltrate C18, in order to start a riot at an international football match?

    Got it now.

  47. Pete, no-one has argued anywhere that Irish football fans are all 100% angels, but your defence of English football fans, in light of the video evidence, is pretty poor. Almost as poor as the excuse you give them.

  48. Pete Moore

    Your first three sentences are more pathetic attempts at excusing thuggish football violence.

    I’m takling about Poznan and Krakow

    Can you post videos from Krakow confirming that Irish fans were involved in pro – IRA, FTQ stuff you allege?

    Stop being so proud and conceited. Just accept that some Irish fans are unsavoury characters. You’re getting a bit of mild criticism here. Man up and take it.

    I’m being neither proud nor conceited, I certainly accept that some football fans from any country will be boistrous, (as were the Irish fans in Poland), but am trying to contrast it with actual violence from other football fans. It’s you who seems to have the problem with accepting fact.

    Please point out the ‘mild criticism’ and I’ll gladly ‘man up’ and deal with it.

  49. “Why not ask Tarasov why he posted the video? ”

    I don’t think he posted it Pete. It was Paul. But Tasarov will do. He likes to stir things up a bit and bandwagon jumping is his speciality. Just goes to show how Communism can take a pimply, idealistic youth and turn him into a pimply, sh** stirring man.. 🙂

  50. Get a room

  51. “Get a room”

    Что? Он очищает номера тоже?

  52. Seimi –

    Stop buggering about. C18 was well infiltrated long before 1995. I said I don;t know why they kicked it off in Dublin.

    Paul McMahon –

    I could post the videos but I really can’t be bothered. We saw them at the time, they’re still around. if you’re genuinely interested in seeing them you’ll find them.

    Right, back to 1995 and a Dubliner’s blog. Among his recollections:

    In all seriousness however, this encounter between the Republic of Ireland and England on February 15 1995 marked one of the worst moments for soccer in this country. Largely believed to be as a protest against the peace process in Ulster, and centering around a few fringe groups from London clubs, a small band of fascist supporters within the English away support brought the match to a halt amid scenes of flying chairs and wood. Ireland were 1 nil up in the encounter, before it was called off. Both National Anthems had been greeted poorly at the beginning of the match, and near constant chants of ‘Never surrender to the IRA’ can be heard in footage of the encounter. The damage done to the image of the game in Ireland was quite bad, and the UK tabloids seized the day too to make quite sweeping statements about English football supporters.

    There’s a bit more in the post about “right wing” elements being well represented. Strangley, they’ve never been as well represented, nowhere near as well represented, at any England game, before or since. And comments in thread:

    The November 1990 game was actually a lot more violent, with clashes all over town and a head-on collusion with a ‘free Dessie Ellis’ march on O’Connell Bridge. A van load of headcases, tooled up to the nines, and drunk beyond repair were arrested (Irish fans, down from Belfast). The English hooligans regarded it as a wild old time, which is why so many came in 1995 and succeeded in wrecking the game. There were dozens of clashes between themselves the night before with Man. Utd and Leeds fighting at Manchester Airport and Oldham and Leeds fighting in Parnell Street. A few of the English hoolie memoirs have given their side, there’s been very few realistic accounts from the Irish side. Suffice to say the atmosphere was mad and I remember tons of monkey chanting at Paul Ince from the ‘greatest fans in the world’.

    That’s shocking re: Paul Ince. I’ve heard that said once or twice before, I wonder if it was documented anywhere at the time?

    Anti Fascist Action wrote about it at the time. Hundreds of people must have heard the chanting. If it had been the English fans the papers would have been full of it.

    I was there at the Lansdowne Road end. So many memories. I remember on the way in as we crossed the DART line. Some real hard looking English skinheads were just standing at the turnstile giving the evil eye to the crowd passing by. One Irish bloke beside me, I reckon all his history and heart just welled up and out of him, cos he just saw them and went straight for one of the English skins. Yer English bloke must have been well on cos he barely moved and the Irish lad smacked him a nice right to the jaw. The cops just stood there. I normally don’t approve of that kind of behaviour but I was proud of our lad at the time. His mates ran over to him but they weren’t quick enough. When they rejoined the crowd, I heard: “Where’s Mickser?” “He got lagged.”
    I was told by a neighbour of a well-known Finglas Shinner at the time – a witness in the Black Widow case, yer wan allegedly tried to procure him to do the evil deed – that he (the Shinner) was working on security for the FAI on the night. The next night the Herald had a photo of him bursting a poor Englishman which made said Shinner the toast of Finglas.

    Bottom line: it was a bad night all round with blane on both sides and politics stinking the place out. Yes, even the Irish fans were not completely blameless.

  53. Pete, I’m only messin’ with ye, calm down 🙂

  54. Ah, so the comment from ‘BH'(I wonder what that those initials reoresent?), on a blog corrobborate your claims. Got it.

    Pete Moore, you have been disingenuous throghout this whole thread as your backtracking from your initial

    Stone the crows, half of that lot were Special Branch!

    To your present position of

    Bottom line: it was a bad night all round with blane on both sides and politics stinking the place out. Yes, even the Irish fans were not completely blameless

    Minimization, excuses and untruths about Krakow.

  55. Paul McMahon –

    Comments from a number of people on that blog back up my recollection. Crying out loud, the post is by a Dubliner. He recalls the politics and that both national anthems were jeered.

    I’ve given my memories, they’re backed up by the words of others who were there, so one of us is being disingenuous and it’s not me. If the reality of that night, and 1990, in which my memory is again corroborated, doesn’t fit with your prejudices then that’s just tough.

    Drop the conceit.

  56. more damage than the german luftwaffe honestly????

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ira+manchester+bomb&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=19UGUMryDqrD0QWpw4nDDQ&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=909

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8rDB-1kE5o

    find me images of manchester the morning after the 2008 uefa cup final that come close to that.

    charles get it up me?

    your not in the priesthood or part of celtic boys club are you?LOL

  57. Here is how the Irish celebrate St Patricks day as they march past a church in Kilkeel, shouting republican chants.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYMPnchhy0

    check out the tunes that they selected to play as they pass the church in Newry Street.

    “rfb banna fliuit maoimh phadraig playing free derry and shot to kill marching down newry street in the evening parade in kilkeel”.

    Shot to Kill. Now there’s an interesting tune. maybe the republican posters can identify, who is it the tune “shot to kill” is referring to?? Is it all Protestants, Unionists, Loyalists, Loyal Order Members, Police Officers or Members of the Armed Forces????

  58. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about wouldn’t look like such an idiot. The rebel song Shoot to Kill is about the British policy of shoot to kill.

  59. I’ll tell you how you’re being disingenuous Pete. Because you’ve suggested that Irish supporters sang sang “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs.” at the British team’s hotel which is patently untrue. A handful of Irish supporters did sing ‘The Fields of Athenry’ chanting IRA & FTQ but how this was provocative or insulting to anyone in Prozan is beyond me as I don’t think the IRA ever bombed Poland or any of the countries involved in the group based in Prozan. I also don’t think that Lizzie Windsor’s realm extends there.

    You’re being disingenuous when you blame everyone from the British & Irish police forces, the Irish fans, selective television editing and alleged events from five years previously, in fact your clutching at every straw you can to blame for the violence at Landsdowne Rd except those who actually perpetrated the violence – a contingent of English supporters.

    There must definitely be some Irish blood in you Pete as the begrudgery you’ve demonstrated in this post is incredible. Why don’t you just accept that the Irish supporters behaved well in Pozan and the city want to acknowlege this. If you disagree post the evidence to the contrary or, to paraphrase yourself, man up and take it on the chin.

    Drop the conceit

    Let me remind you how this all began Pete.

    Some Irish fans are scum, get over it

    This is what real scum look like Pete

    Yeah, it’s me who’s conceited.

    BJC, It was my friends in Manchester who said in not me. But let’s make this clear: Are you saying the damage in Manchester caused by Rangers fans is okay because it was to a lesser extent than that of the Luftwaffe?

    Yeah Glenn, because both things are exactly the same. This is how N.I. supporters go to cemerety:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4303692.stm

    FFS catch yerself on.

  60. In case you missed it through your MOPE’ry Seamus, I was relating what the republican poster of the clip had put up.

    Irish republicans, its always about me, me, me. Not that Irish republicans would ever shoot anyone, isn’t that right Seamus.

  61. There was no MOPEry involved Glenn. You claimed

    “Shot to Kill. Now there’s an interesting tune. maybe the republican posters can identify, who is it the tune “shot to kill” is referring to?? Is it all Protestants, Unionists, Loyalists, Loyal Order Members, Police Officers or Members of the Armed Forces????”

    when it is in fact about the policy of the British government to shoot to kill. Thus the song is not about killing Protestants, Unionists, Loyalists, Loyal Order Members, Police Officers or Members of the Armed Forces.

    You made an assertion that isn’t correct and it was pointed out. What your post had to do with this thread I have no idea but it clearly has nothing to do with football nor is the video even showing objectionable behaviour.

  62. Of course Pete has Irish blood in him,a good Irish name like Moore

  63. Paul McMahon –

    Right, I’m being disingenuous and then you agree that FTQ and pro-IRA songs were chanted by Irish fans in Poland.

    I’m not being disingenuous when I describe the reality of events in Dublin in 1990 and 1995. I even corroborate it with an Irishman’s view!

    Strewth!

    “There must definitely be some Irish blood in you Pete”

    Yes, I have Irish blood. My mother’s Irish. So are my many Irish uncles and aunts and hordes of Irish cousins. Further back are IRA men and some who helped build America. I even have an Irish passport of convenience. I know the Irish very well old chum and I don’t fall for their blarney.

    “Why don’t you just accept that the Irish supporters behaved well in Pozan”

    I accept that on the whole most Irish fans behaved fine, if you overlook some of them glorifying psychopathic terrorists and insulting the Queen. Yeah, great.

  64. Right, I’m being disingenuous and then you agree that FTQ and pro-IRA songs were chanted by Irish fans in Poland

    This is what I said at 12.55 Pete

    So you concede that Irish fans have never
    decided to do something highly unusual and gather around the England hotel, and it included such charming ditties as “Fuck the Queen” alongside pro-IRA songs.
    In the context of the English team’s hotel?

    You’ve consistently avoided the question since I asked it. Yeah, you’re being disingenuous.

    I’m not being disingenuous when I describe the reality of events in Dublin in 1990 and 1995. I even corroborate it with an Irishman’s view!

    Well, you’ve “corroborated” it by interspacing comments from a blog from Dublin and, to a large part, comments on that blog from someone balled ‘BH’. You’ve tried to blame everyone and everything for the violence in Dublin in ’95. At best minimaization at worst excusing it.

    I know you have Irish blood Pete, you begrudgery on this post is evident of that.

    I accept that on the whole most Irish fans behaved fine, if you overlook some of them glorifying psychopathic terrorists and insulting the Queen.

    Whod did those 8 supporters insult and provoke Pete? the citizens of Pozan?

    Pozan is some 400 kms away from Krakow and over one thousand miles away from London. It would seem that some will go a long way to be offended.

  65. Those fans outside the hotel weren’t Irish. They were all English guys pretending to be Irish 😉

  66. Paul McMahon –

    Yeah, I corroborated it. What do you me to do, track the bloke down? Beyond the media propaganda there are plenty of comments which broadly accord with mine:

    #4 I was (un)fourtunate enough to be at the match, i was only nine at the time though. Combat 18 were at the helm from what i remember. The irish fans were partly to blame aswell, they were pissing in cans and throwing them at the english section of fans, while chanting rebel songs. You have to also remember that it was pre-good friday agreement when it occured.

    Woahhh!

    #24 A scum element is slowly creeping into Irish soccer. There were a few bottles thrown outside O’ Sullivan’s in Paris the night of the Ireland v France game, it was only a few but it was not surprising with the amount of drunken yobs that were around.

    Surely not. Irish fans are the happiest, jolliest, funnest people around. They never, ever misbehave, oh no. Burn the heretic!

  67. They had a good reputation in NY when they came over for the World Cup.

  68. Beyond the media propaganda there are plenty of comments which broadly accord with mine

    Yeah media propaganda. I wonder how many of those comments think it was started by the English plod?

  69. “a significant number of Ireland fans have always fooled others into thinking they’re somehow a bit different”

    A significant number of Ireland fans *are* different. Many of them aren’t even that interested in football and would never normally watch a football match, but will because Ireland are playing. They are indeed out for the craic while equivalent contingents from other nations are often out to crack heads.

    Anyway it’s certainly beyond parody for an England supporter to accuse some other set of fans of sometimes lacking charm or manners.

  70. ‘ I was (un)fourtunate enough to be at the match, i was only nine at the time though.’

    Well, if Pete, and a nine year-old say it’s true…