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Germany still seems to have a trouble with Jews.

“Recently Jews have become increasingly under pressure in Germany. Dozens of graves in the Jewish cemetery in the city of Anklam in Western Germany were desecrated last week. Police said the gravestones were smashed, and several were completely removed from their graves. Graffiti was sprinkled on some of the headstones. Local reports said that authorities had opened an investigation and sought witnesses.These latest attacks comes just weeks after a German court outlawed Jewish circumcision by saying it is a crime just like assault and will be punished.”

I wonder who does this desecration. Is it a new wave of Nazi type scum? Might it have any connection with the 4 MILLION Muslims that now reside in Germany? (Compared to 250,000 Jews) I do not know but I am sure that attacking Jewish graves is an unspeakable evil and Germany should be doing all it can to make life easier for Jewish people who live there.

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82 thoughts on “THE TROUBLE WITH JEWS…

  1. These actions are the work of a negligible part of the population (at least in the former West Germany) and disgust the rest.
    Fortunately, Jews don’t “have trouble with” Germany, and the country’s Jewish population is growing like nowhere else in Europe.

    //latest attacks comes just weeks after a German court outlawed Jewish circumcision by saying it is a crime just like assault //

    The court didn’t “outlaw” circumcision, and certainly not “Jewish circumcision”, whatever that is. The court has only local jurisdiction and the ruling could at most set a precedent. It was also – you will be delighted to hear – in a case taken against Muslim parents whose son suffered complications after a circumcision.

  2. ” Is it a new wave of Nazi type scum?”
    Sounds like an advert for some kind of bathroom cleaner!
    You do like that word “scum”, don’t you David?
    I don’t think I have ever thought of anyone as “scum” in my 66 years of tormenting/irritating people. Evil, yes. Sick, yes, Bastards!, yes.

    Anyway, here’s a website for you.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/16/11230508-descendants-of-holocaust-victims-reclaim-german-citizenship?lite

    I do understand that Nazi or anti semitic sentiment still exists in Germany and elsewhere.
    I DON’T understand Jews going back to live and work in Germany, unless they have some kind of victim mentality.
    Despite what those like Noel and Allan and others would like to believe, I think Israel is the only place a Jew can feel (reasonably) safe.
    Much harder to explain from a non Christian viewpoint, is why MUSLIMS are tolerated in the West in a way that Jews were not!
    And that DESPITE the fact that some would turn our women into walking rolls of black carpet, kill our homosexuals and insist we all worship Allah…..
    Why is THAT??

  3. //I think Israel is the only place a Jew can feel (reasonably) safe.//

    Is it only on every second day that we’re also supposed to believe rockets are falling around their ears like rain?

  4. I think Israel is the only place a Jew can feel (reasonably) safe.

    Safe from whom, Agit?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6710289.stm

    – It has been seen as a daring raid by crack Israeli troops to rescue dozens of their countrymen held at the mercy of hijackers.
    But newly released documents contain a claim that the 1976 rescue of hostages, kidnapped on an Air France flight and held in Entebbe in Uganda, was not all it seemed.

    A UK government file on the crisis, released from the National Archives, contains a claim that Israel itself was behind the hijacking. –

  5. Paul,
    Allan still is IN business,
    as “Verteidiger der Wahrheit und nationale Reinheit!”

  6. Phantom,
    “Allan

    You’re a funny guy”

    You mean as in German sense of humour “funny guy”?

  7. Doesn’t seem to me that this incident of vandalism or the court ruling (correctly clarified by Noel) are serious signs of any return to the bad old days. Don’t believe the hype.

  8. I find it fascinating that the last part of my post re Muslims attracts no comments..

  9. “These latest attacks comes just weeks after a German court outlawed Jewish circumcision by saying it is a crime just like assault and will be punished.”

    Yes, a nice little bit of propaganda, somehow failing to mention that this was a case brought against muslims.

    The issue of male child genital mutilation by religious groups deserves a good debate on ATW, but I’m not holding my breath. Now if the barbaric practice was confined to the followers of Allah (peace be upon his name) I suspect we would have been debating it many times. Perhaps someone will prove me wrong…

  10. Some Jewish practices (which some might regard as barbaric) such as circumcision and kosher slaughter are perfectly safe in the UK because of similarities to islamic practice.

    I strongly suspect that if no muslims lived in the UK (those were the days) then these Jewish ways would be under sustained attack from the BBC/Gaurdian complex.

  11. Peter.
    I don’t think it’s barbaric. I’m circumcised, and I believe that many boys of my generation were -for hygiene reasons I think. Female circumcision was/is deliberately done to ensure females derived no sexual pleasure from intercourse. I don’t think the Jews do that.
    So why do Muslims circumcise?
    http://www.circlist.com/rites/moslem.html
    And actually as Islam contains quite a lot of Jewish and Christian ideas, (Mohammed was influenced by both faiths) perhaps that is where the male circumcision comes from.
    But I think the “anti female/ females are inferior” thing is all Islam.

  12. I strongly suspect that if no muslims lived in the UK (those were the days) then these Jewish ways would be under sustained attack from the BBC/Gaurdian complex.

    Absolute rubbish Pete.

    Tens of thousands of jews settled in Britain between 1880 – 1920, mostly fleeing Tsarist pogroms in Russia and Poland. There was no significant islamic population in Britain until at least 50 years later, and there is absolutely no evidence of any pressure on the British jews to end their curious practice of genital mutilation of of male babies.

  13. I don’t think it’s barbaric.

    To inflict it on a baby is barbaric. There is no medical evidence that it aids the baby’s health, unlike (say) vaccination against polio. Parents do not have the right to mutilate their children at the behest of a sky-god, whether jewish or islamic.

  14. I don’t think male circumcision is barbaric, at least no more barbaric than, say, ear piercing. There are also certain advantages in circumcision.

    Generally parents should have the right to make these decisions for their kids (look, there must be some rights to balance the endless burdens, obligations and responsibilities)

  15. Circumcision is an assault upon the person, the mutilation of a minor against his or her will. It’s a barbarous practice for which there is no excuse. Reasons of hygiene? Bollocks.

    If my parents had allowed me to be mutilated in this way I’d be very, very angry. I’d ask them whether they’d mind forfeiting a piece of their own flesh, to even things up if you will. I wonder what their response would be.

  16. Peter –

    Sure, 1880-1920 and all that, but we were more (classically) liberal society then and well schooled in the fine art of minding our own business. And I did refer to the BBC/Guardian complex.

  17. Agit:

    But I think the “anti female/ females are inferior” thing is all Islam.

    In Orthodox Judaism, many believe that men and women should not swim together. The laws prohibiting mixed bathing are derived from the laws of tzniut. This is due to concerns that bathing suits are inherently immodest, and do not meet tzniut requirements

    Currently, the majority of Orthodox Jews do not participate in mixed dancing.

    Many followers of Haredi Judaism have taken on the practice of separate seating while traveling. These range from abstaining to sitting adjacent to a member of the opposite sex, to having separate vehicles altogether.
    El Al airlines has future plans to fly single-gender flights for Haredi Jews following this practice

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism

  18. //Circumcision is an assault upon the person, the mutilation of a minor against his or her will. It’s a barbarous practice for which there is no excuse. Reasons of hygiene? Bollocks.//

    No. Circumcision is no more an assault than any opeartion on a child is, or, as I said, ear piercing. There are several good reasons for it.

    But as for circumcising bollocks….

  19. I probably disagree with Peter on most things but I find him an intelligent, respectful person, who thinks logically and argues fairly.

    Some others don’t share these qualities!

  20. Tasarov,
    Not swimming/bathing/dancing together has to do with modesty and menstruation.
    Simples!
    You want to share your bath when your wife is menstruating? Does SHE want you to?
    But that’s very different from deliberately mutilating women.
    Get a grip man!

  21. Noel,

    I can’t believe you’re equating circumcision with ear-piercing. You do know that a circumcised male loses sensitity in the glans, don’t you? Yes, the dickhead.

    And let us mercifully leave the obscenity of female circumcision for another occasion….

  22. And I did refer to the BBC/Guardian complex.

    Indeed you did. And both institutions were around in the 1920’s.

  23. //You do know that a circumcised male loses sensitity in the glans, don’t you? //

    No, I don’t believe that.
    I believe a circumcised penis is healthier, hansomer and thus happier… 🙂
    Although not healthier or happier than its sexual counterpart.

  24. “Some others don’t share these qualities!”
    Colour me bothered.
    Colm,
    What fanaaaaticaaal idiocy are you referring to?
    It’s idiocy to have your own religion with different rules for men and women,going back centuries?
    Surely no more fanaaaticaaal than demanding the right to wear womens’ dresses and makeup, marry someone from the same sex as you, and have children – not to mention anal sex..
    NOT saying you do those things, but I believe Stonewall would demand that heterosexual society tolerate it…
    So your problem is????

  25. Circumcision is no more an assault than any opeartion on a child is, or, as I said, ear piercing. There are several good reasons for it.

    Rubbish Noel, both points.

  26. A circumcised penis also has no…er.. drawbacks in anal sex.

    Now, did Agiti8ed want to say that?

  27. “I can’t believe you’re equating circumcision with ear-piercing. You do know that a circumcised male loses sensitity in the glans, don’t you? Yes, the dickhead.”

    Richard,
    hHw would you know?
    Surely not going by hearsay?!

    Now I know a very good mohel who would sort you out in no time at all. And once you healed you could write some sort of journal about your subsequent sexual experiences..

  28. Noel,

    Re dickheads, I respectfully suggest that you have a chat with your GP—always assuming he isn’t a mohel in his spare time.

  29. //Rubbish Noel, both points.//

    Well, I suppose in the face of such devastating arguments I must concede.

    But No, I insist: An uncircumcised penis has too many drawbacks.

    BTW. How do you circumcise a whale, anyone know?

  30. Agit8ed

    You defend these fanatical Jews just because they are Jewish,even to the bigoted and stupid exyent of defending the “keep away from unclean women” nonsense. Think for yourself man and stop believing you must be blindly obedient to a group of people who are WRONG just because you happen to have a favourable and positive attitude to Jews in general. Opposing Religous fanaticism is not the same as being anti-semitic.

  31. BTW. How do you circumcise a whale, anyone know?

    With a very large pair of scissors 🙂

  32. Colm,

    “Opposing Religous fanaticism is not the same as being anti-semitic.”

    True. It is, or should be, the default position of the sane.

  33. But that’s very different from deliberately mutilating women.

    FGM is a barbaric practice that pre-dates Islam quite considerably.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-0528.1966.tb05163.x/abstract;jsessionid=50C15DB4EA780A757A7725378BAC7A40.d03t04

    While individual Muslims, Christians, and Jews practise FGM,it is not a requirement of any religious observance.

    Judaism requires circumcision for boys, but does not allow it for girls. Islamic scholars have said that, while male circumcision is a sunna, or religious obligation, female genital modification is not required, and several have issued a fatwa against Type III FGM.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

    Such a bummer when the world turns out not to be as black and white as you’d like it to be.

  34. Agit: But that’s very different from deliberately mutilating women.

    FGM is a barbaric practice that pre-dates Islam quite considerably.

    While individual Muslims, Christians, and Jews practise FGM,it is not a requirement of any religious observance. Judaism requires circumcision for boys, but does not allow it for girls. Islamic scholars have said that, while male circumcision is a sunna, or religious obligation, female genital modification is not required, and several have issued a fatwa against Type III FGM.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

    Such a bummer when the world turns out not to be as black and white as you’d like it to be.

  35. Colm,
    It’s NOT stupid. At least it wasn’t when the whole thing started, and many religions have similar attitudes to females at their time of the month.
    It’s no more stupid than keeping kosher, separating milk from meat or wool from cotton.. That’s what their law taught them.

    “Opposing Religous fanaticism is not the same as being anti-semitic.”
    I agree. Just as opposing gay marriage, gay parades or walking around dressed as a woman doesn’t make one homophobic. 🙂

  36. Agit8ed

    If you wantt to walk around dressed as a woman, I certainly agree that doesn’t necessarily make you homophobic 😉

  37. Well, I suppose in the face of such devastating arguments I must concede.

    Noel

    You haven’t posted any evidence that circumcision is (a) not an assault on a male baby and (b) has medical advantages. FYI, the BMA does not advocate the practice on medical grounds.

  38. Agit8ed, my circumcised friend. I heard you’r going under the scapel one of these days.
    Best of luck to you. I’ll touch wood for you (as you won’t be able to touch your own head).
    And no need to worry. You are circumcised and as Rod Stewart said: The first cut is the deepest.

    We’ll miss you and your fanatical practices on ATW. Hurry back.

  39. Not the scalpel Noel
    (Wrong again…)
    The tube with the HD television on the end.

    They stick it up your bum Noel.
    If there were any justice in the world it ought to be you:
    but I console myself with the fact that your time will also come.. 🙂

  40. //You haven’t posted any evidence that circumcision is (a) not an assault on a male baby //

    Peter, nobody posted any evidence that it is. You make the assertion, you back it up.

    The advantages of circumcision are:
    The penis is cleaner and much easier to keep clean.
    This leads to several other benefits. Not least that women (or men) partners can be confident it’s more bacteria free and can thus play with it with less inhibitions.
    This has in turn several more advantages (for the circumcised).

    A circumcised penis is also much more handsome, smooth and elegant (if slightly aristocratic, perhaps a trifle neo-classical in pretentions).
    I am circumcised and have been told so by several of my women friends. One said (ah, well, I remember her expression and rapture) that it was like comparing the aesthetics of a candle to a limp rag.

    All of these things greatly enhance your sex life. A circumcised penis is simply more approachable for women than those skin-draped shapes that for all the world look like a sleeping bat.

    Gentlemen, do your sons and their future partners a favour – off with their foreskins.

  41. “You 2 sound like you’re both flirting with each other on a gay chatline ;)”
    What an idiotic idea!

  42. I forgot to mention. I’ve read that female partners of circumcised men are statistically less likely to develop cervical cancer and other nasties.

    Also, I would suggest, less likely to seek a divorce.

  43. Agit8ed, is it like a colonoscopy?

    Ive had that done, it’s no big deal. Doctors are experienced and professional, it won’t bother you.
    I always see those kind of things as a challenge; say to myself that other people have had to bear so much worse so I’ll see if I can handle it.
    I think that comes from an Irish Catholic upbringing. “Offering it up”, we used to call it.

  44. Noel,

    “I am circumcised and have been told so by several of my women friends. One said (ah, well, I remember her expression and rapture) that it was like comparing the aesthetics of a candle to a limp rag.”

    Some women like tattoos and others dig scars. So why not blaze the child up and inflict a few (other) unnecessary surgeries while you’re at it?

  45. How has this thread which started out being a discussion on German anti-semitism, moved on to becoming an analysis on the aesthetic appeal of Noel Cunningham’s appendage 😉

  46. //Would that have been one of those little matchstick candles//

    Colm, yes, the penny candles you get in church.

    As I said: your favourite partner will be much more eager to play with it by hand, lips, tongue or – whatever turns you on – foot if you are circumcised.

    I pity men that arent circumcised. Seriously. Remember all those times she said things like “What, you want me to do THAT?, or simply feigned tiredness or headaches – on those any other occasions your greatest enemy was your foreskin.
    Away and begone with it, I say.

  47. Noel,
    Yes that’s what it is, but I freely admit to being a coward when it comes to pain. I tend to lash out if it hurts. I made that very clear to the nurse.
    I don’t like the idea of invasive surgery or investigations -especially rear enders or even by mouth. “Put me out!” says I. I don’t want to know anything about it.

    Colm,
    No comeback re my gay jibes? And what about Logical Unionist? We got as far as establishing that he is an Ulsterman and you stopped.
    Is this the same kind of Irish discrimination that comes into play whenever I mention that I like the Fureys music?
    All Irish people are Equal, but some are less Irish than others…” 🙂

  48. //Some women like tattoos and others dig scars//

    Frank, tattoos and scars are useless once the lights go out, and I can’t imagine what health or hygiene benefits they give the wearer, or even less his partner.

    But, as I indicated, I don’t think ear piercing a child is an assault, and I’m sure thare are many people, cultures who tattoo their kids without blame.

    Basically, the whole circumcision thing is grossly exaggerated by those who don’t know about it. The surgery is really minimal and the effects, if anything, are positive.
    You can take my word for it that my health or sex life have been in no way impaired by being circumcised and I never for a moment wished I wasn’t. On the contrary.
    I’ve known several other circumcised men, and their experience is exactly the same.

    Only about 4 of my partners even mentioned it as far as I recall; two made just a neutral observation and two were very positive.

    Now, over to you, lads. What are all those problems circumcision is supposed to cause and that you are so shy in mentioning? (and no more of the melodramatic assault stuff pls)

  49. In all honesty I think you like what you’re used to. If you were circimcised as a baby then having no foreskin will seem fine and normal and healthy to you as an adult, and the same is true for those men with foreskins. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being snipped or not snipped. Vive la difference.

  50. Noel,

    It’s very simple. My body belongs to me, not to my parents or anybody else. If I desire circumcision then that is my decision, yes?

    Were I to have a son, I have no damned right to mutilate his body irreversibly for no good reason. And most especially not when he’s too young to even know what’s happening to him.

    If, when he grows older, he wishes to mutilate his body then that’s his affair.

    It’s called respecting the integrity of one’s fellow man.

  51. //It’s called respecting the integrity of one’s fellow man.//

    OK, OK, from now on no visits to the barber for my boys.

    //My body belongs to me, not to my parents or anybody else.//

    Oh, come

    //mutilate his body//

    off it

    //he wishes to mutilate his body//

    for God’s

    //It’s called respecting the integrity of one’s fellow man.//

    sake!

  52. Noel,

    Do please note my use of the word “irreversibly” in my previous comment. Hair does grow back you know.

  53. Noel,

    “Now, over to you, lads. What are all those problems circumcision is supposed to cause and that you are so shy in mentioning? (and no more of the melodramatic assault stuff pls)”

    It’s pretty simple – since there are no medical benefits to it, it is unnecessary, and may even be detrimental (all unnecessary surgeries carry risks). It is also irreversible, and it goes against the principle of informed consent to perform unnecessary surgery on a minor.

    Aside from that, it’s a great idea.

  54. The big difference between the circumcision and ear piercing comparison is that ear piercing is of course reversable.

    The penis is cleaner and much easier to keep clean

    This is the central benefit to circumcision?. You do realise that a daily shower also matains cleanliness to a non circumcised lad as well don’t you?

    Some women like tattoos and others dig scars

    I’ve got both, two outta three aint bad.

    Away and begone with it, I say.

    As a proud ant – eater I’d say you need to go and give your head a shake 🙂

  55. yawn…still Paul’s family are sfira…

    there you go.

    take him seriuos, no really. lol

  56. My oh my…what a conversation to have on the Sabbath…;-P
    Reading this is like watching a coming of age flick: “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours”…just share your photos and get on with it…;-)

  57. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

    Such a bummer when the world turns out not to be as black and white as you’d like it to be.”

    Where does it say that female circumcision was advocated/endorsed/instigated/practiced by Jewish or Christian theology?
    Is this another example of “selective Communist evidence to discredit those I disagree with?”

  58. OK, I know this thread was as dead as a liberated foreskin but I simply had to share this. It’s priceless.

    These are the words of Pinchas Goldschmidt, President of the Conference of European Rabbis, as quoted by the Jewish Chronicle.

    Either Pinchas is insanely self-delusional—which I doubt—or he believes he can still pull the wool over the eyes of his flock.

    We must send out the clearest possible message that campaigners against infant circumcision are themselves threatening the human rights of our children.

    I could think of several more along those lines but here’s one to kick off with:

    Campaigners against deforestation are threatening the arboreal rights of our trees.

  59. Richard,
    First off, truth is never dead -even as a liberated foreskin!
    I agree with you, if that is indeed what he said or meant.

    Had he said,
    “We must send out the clearest possible message that campaigners against infant circumcision are themselves threatening the human rights of cultural groups to practice their beliefs” I would have agreed with him.

  60. I don’t have to read that, Richard.
    I repeat my last comment.
    You are aware that in Israel there is a serious and growing problem with the Haredi who refuse to engage productively with the state of Israel, whilst enjoying the benefits thereof. (Not unlike our own Benefits Addicts).
    I will always go back to the Old and New Testaments and their pronouncements in context for guidance, not what one guy says.

  61. Agit8ed,

    I misunderstood when you wrote “if that is indeed what he said…” Thought you wished to check.

  62. Yes,
    in the same way you ignore me when I say “truth is truth”!

    We are human beings. As much as we agree on what is our understanding of “reality” I would no more deny the rationality of your philosophical position than I hope you would mine.
    I think what you have to confront is your tendency to sneer when dopes like me disagree with you.
    I may be wrong, but I have you down as being involved with education?
    As I said before, the truly intelligent man would start with where their opponent is, not where you think they should be.

  63. Agit8ed,

    Trying to start an argument again, are you? Well, as the heretic said to Torquemada, I won’t be drawn 😉

    And you guessed correctly. I provide speech therapy for children with learning difficulties and Down’s Syndrome victims.

    Which possibly explains my impatience with those caring rabbis and others who place their ridiculous beliefs above the welfare of innocent kids.

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