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Let’s consider the crime first, shall we?

“October 10 1981, two civilians were killed when an IRA bomb exploded outside Chelsea Barracks in London, the headquarters of the Irish Guards. The bomb, which had been left in a laundry van, detonated as Nora Field, 59, went shopping for groceries for her elderly mother. John Breslin, 18, died in hospital after being injured by the 30lb bomb. He was sitting on a wall when the device packed with more than 1,000 nails exploded. Fifty other people, including about 20 Irish Guardsmen, were injured by shrapnel.”

Can you imagine the scene?  Those poor poor people.

Triple killer Paul Kavanagh was sentenced to five life terms for blowing up Chelsea Army Barracks.

He got out of jail care of the Belfast Agreement. Mrs Field and Mr Breslin remained in their graves.

He has now been provisionally proposed (sic) to become a Governor of a Grammar School in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein seek the destruction of Grammar Schools. He is married to convicted IRA bomber and Sinn Fein MLA  Martina Anderson.

This is the face of the shiny new Northern Ireland. Convicted killers like Kavanagh lifted up into high office, their victims callously forgotten.

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34 thoughts on “BOMBER COMMAND

  1. Submariner62,

    What on earth has that got to do with NI – you stupid little man!

    Two wrongs – if that is what they were, do not make right.

  2. Ernest

    One mams terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and respectable citizen

  3. Two wrongs – if that is what they were, do not make right.

    That’s true Ernest but some here love to highlight one wrong while they adopt a see no evil approach to the other. That doesn’t make a right either.

    This is just going to be a re – hash of the Mary McArdle thread.

  4. Paul,

    Not really, such asides as Sub62 only serve to detract from solving the orignal problem. Solve one, and maybe, – just maybe, it may lead to solving the other. That is if they are in any way similar.

  5. I disagree Ernest. I think the highlighting of castigating a political system which allows a bomber to be a school governor whilst lauding ‘the only democracy in the ME’ which allows bombers or other terrorists into the premier position of political power not only doesn’t detract from the original problem it magnifies the original problem.

  6. Paul,

    You could be right. Didn’t the original Zionist terrorists take a leaf from the early 20th century IRA, going on to praise Collins et al, and mimicing their cowardly terrorist tactics?

    So you think that a precedent which seems to work in one case, should then, without exception apply to all others.

    That, as a ‘Governor’ he might more dircetly influence youngsters, or be seen as a role model, whereas, who, not already a believer, really takes much notice of a politician. Maybe a small, but nevertheless, a subtle difference.

  7. So you think that a precedent which seems to work in one case, should then, without exception apply to all others

    What I think is that it’s gross hypocrisy to vehemently object to one on moral grounds while venerating the other. You can’t see that?

    That, as a ‘Governor’ he might more dircetly influence youngsters, or be seen as a role model, whereas, who, not already a believer, really takes much notice of a politician. Maybe a small, but nevertheless, a subtle difference

    Yeah he might but then again it’s just as probable that the youngsters might have no idea who he is and never see him, as was the case with me and my school governors. I have to say however that secondary school kids generally know who has the top political post in a country.

  8. How some of you try to defend the indefensible on this sight is beyond belief ; SF/IRA are murdering disgusting scum . They are not freedom fighters , but terrorists , of this there con be NO doubt .

  9. How some of you try to defend the indefensible on this site is beyond belief ; SF/IRA are murdering disgusting scum . They are not freedom fighters , but terrorists , of this there con be NO doubt .

  10. Doctor

    the same could be said for the BA, the RUC and especially the Bspecials. All of whom are revered by David

  11. ‘ Convicted killers like Kavanagh lifted up into high office, their victims callously forgotten.’

    Sentenced to 5 life sentences is hardly callously forgetting his victims, just as governor of a school is hardly ‘high office’…

  12. If enough parents of pupils protest at this (a lot have already) it will not happen. Let’s hope so.

  13. Ernest as usual you miss the point. I am pointing out Davids rank hypocrisy given his undying support for Israel a country which elevates vile terrorist murderers to the highest office in the land. Explain the difference to me?

  14. It’s gross hypocrisy to vehemently object to one on moral grounds while venerating the other

    The comment above this being a perfect example of it.

  15. The difference is that the Israelis won and established their own independent nation and the Provos lost and are British servants. Might makes right in the real world. The winners are revered leaders and the losers failed terrorists.

    If Lumen Christi allows this appointment to go ahead it reduces itself. Failed terrorists should not be on school boards, it is contrary to the ideals of good education and consistent with the SF strategy to destroy higher education.

  16. Might makes right in the real world

    So then there is no objection on moral grounds? You’d need to tell a few on here that.

    We’ve had this ‘failed terrorists’ discussion before. I don’t want to re-hash it just to see you arrive at the ridiculously nonsensical money in your pocket symbolism argument again.

  17. ‘The winners are revered leaders…’

    Wasn’t Martin McGuinness found to be extremely popular amongst Unionists in a fairly recent survey?

    Just sayin’ like 😉

  18. Paul

    Might makes right and the winners write the history in the real world. Those who do not accept that live in fantasy land.

    Who won, the Brits or the Provos? The koolaid school thinks there was no winner, but who still has ultimate authority? If you think you are not subject to British authority, stop drinking the koolaid and open your eyes. The currency you use is a useful reminder.

    Semi

    Martin McGuiness is in no way a revered leader, he is a failed terrorist who does what his bosses tell him to do. The more he does his masters’ bidding, the more Unionists ‘like’ him, but do not think they esteem him more than a loyal servant. Just saying…

  19. Oh look, someone else ‘accidentally’ mis-spelling my name. That doesn’t bode well in terms of an intelligent answer…

    Yup. I was right.

    Noo Yawker, my post was completely tongue-in-cheek, although McG is better thought of than his fellow First Minister, Peter Robinson,who is seen as devious, untrustworthy, vicious, callous and unfeeling.

    Nationalists don’t really like him either 🙂

  20. ” .. although McG is better thought of than his fellow First Minister, Peter Robinson,who is seen as devious, untrustworthy, vicious, callous and unfeeling.”

    Yes, McGuinness is the clearly the antithesis of all of those things.

  21. Submariner62,

    No, I didn’t miss the point, I just see things a little differently to you.

    While both are guilty of terrorism, their histories leading to them adopting terrorism are quite different.

    Jews have been oppressed, persecuted, hounded, and murdered in their millions over many centuries. Small wonder then that a normally fairly docile culture fostered terrorist gangs, and incidentally, based on the Irish pattern as advocated by Collins in the 20’s.

    Can the Irish honestly say they have suffered in quite the same way? Is the history of the two in any way similar? Has any religion suffered so much persecution on such a global scale?

    While acts of terrorism are always nasty and cowardly, there can sometimes be instances where its use is justified.

    Maybe in the case of Israel, and the Jewish faith, it is the exception that proves the rule that the ‘end does not justify the means’.

  22. Seimi –

    Oh yes.

    McGuinness is such a decent fellow he’s not had anyone murdered for a few years now.

  23. Ernest Young

    the Irish have been oppressed, persecuted, hounded, and murdered in their millions over many centuries. Small wonder then that a normally fairly docile culture fostered terrorist gangs,

  24. EP,

    No they haven’t! if you believe that, you will believe anything.

    The Jewish people have a long history of being provoked, wherever they settled, and in a manner the Irish have never experienced. I am not saying that the Irish have never suffered, just not to the same extent as the Jews.

    Perhaps the Irish just love playing the perpetual victim, – what would they bitch about if Ireland was reunited? Is there such a thing a ‘malcontent gene’? – or is it just an ‘Irish thing’.

  25. So the english didnt hound them, persecute and kill them? Damn how could history have been so wrong!!!!

  26. Ernest thank you for admitting that you do indeed support the use of terrorism under certain circumstances ie if you a Jew its OK. I wish David was as honest.

  27. EP,

    “So the english didnt hound them, persecute and kill them’

    That wasn’t quite what I wrote, the Irish have never been maltreated for so long, by so many, as the Jews have. I did agree that they have been mistreated, by not to the same degree as the Jews.

  28. Submariner62,

    Another one who lacks the comprehension he was born with.

    I wrote to the effect that if a group was persecuted, to the extent and on such a global scale, as the Jews have been, then there may just be an excuse for acts of terrorism. I neither said I supported its use, nor did I specify Jews as the only group where its use was OK.

    So far, the Jews do qualify only as being the most persecuted group of modern times. The Irish, while having suffered very rough times, do not.

    I am quite amazed that so called intelligent folk would wish to claim that they suffered similarly, – unless, of course, they were seeking pity, or perhaps as an excuse to justify numerous acts of barbarism, by a relatively smalll group of congenital malcontents.

  29. EP,

    “So the english didnt hound them, persecute and kill them’

    That wasn’t quite what I wrote, the Irish have never been maltreated for so long, by so many, as the Jews have. I did agree that they have been mistreated, by not to the same degree as the Jews.

    So the Irish should have waited a few thousand years as 400 just wasn’t lomg enough?

  30. The currency you use is a useful reminder

    As I said NY’er I don’t want to re – hash the won / lost thread for you to arrive at the puerilely emotive symbolic currency argument. Suffice to say that the Ulster bank, the Northern Bank, First Trust, Bank of Ireland etc holds no political or military soveriegnity over me or anyone else. Anyway, to save you time, here’s the previous thread.

    BLOODY FRIDAY REMEMBERED

    While acts of terrorism are always nasty and cowardly, there can sometimes be instances where its use is justified

    Okay Ernest, there we have it so we’ll have no more more faux outrage about torrorism based on some notion of morality then.

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