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I see that Pope Benedict has has ended the Church’s absolute ban on the use of condoms.

He said it was acceptable to use a prophylactic when the sole intention was to “reduce the risk of infection” from Aids. While he restated the Catholic Church’s staunch objections to contraception because it believes that it interferes with the creation of life, he argued that using a condom to preserve life and avoid death could be a responsible act – even outside marriage. Asked whether “the Catholic Church is not fundamentally against the use of condoms,” he replied: “It of course does not see it as a real and moral solution. In certain cases, where the intention is to reduce the risk of infection, it can nevertheless be a first step on the way to another, more humane sexuality.”

It’s a strange rule in the first place, and I can’t see how it has Biblical basis?

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  1. “It was an evil rule that most likely killed people.”

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/aids-virgins.htm

    http://slaveryinthe21stcentury.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/when-cures-become-deadly.html

    http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/april/virgin.htm

    I don’t suppose this helped much either…..

    David,
    I think the Roman Catholic church believed(s) that the main purpose of sex was for the creation of children only..

    http://www.bible.ca/catholic-marriage-birth-control-celibacy.htm
    So Catholics can do it, but they mustn’t enjoy it, and Priests can’t even try it..

  2. I genuinely don’t wish to cause offence to anyone tonight, but many allege that most of the ‘rules’ of the Catholic Church are some distance from having a Biblical basis!

    I think this decision is an example of the pragmatic and flexible approach that they take towards their previous rules. After all, some married men can be priests (if they join from the Church of England). So can a priest be married – or not?

    Several Catholics I have spoken to seem quite cynical about some of the more unusual ideas of their Church!

  3. “how did it kill people?”

    Well even the Pope now argues that “using a condom to preserve life and avoid death could be a responsible act”. Unless he has made yet another mistake that would mean that he wasn’t quite clear about that before and people were dying as a result of not avoiding death by using a condom.

    It’s not just AIDs either, Maternal mortality remains one of the leading killers of women in developing countries. Maybe one day after many thousands more women have died the Pope will say it would have been OK after all for them to have used contraception to reduce the risk of that too.

    Just one of those things, like the Inquisition. Everybody makes mistakes, nobody’s infallible after all.

  4. People were dying from not using contraceptives but that doesn’t mean a church ban on it was killing people. People have free will. They have the ability to tell the the church no. So people weren’t dying because of the church’s rules. They were dying from their own choices.

  5. ” So people weren’t dying because of the church’s rules. They were dying from their own choices”

    So until now the church agencies were distributing condoms and letting people make up their own minds about it, were they?

  6. So it is the Church’s job to distribute those condoms? Do you think the Church will start distributing them now that the Pope has made this decision?

  7. The way I interpret the linked article, it isn’t clear to me that the Pope has reversed any church teaching at all. I took it that he was making a hypothetical example, saying that in the case of a person to whom catholicism (and/or more fundamental questions about sexual morality) means nothing in the first place, and they’re just….I don’t know, screwing around or whatever, then if that person decides to use a condom simply in order to prevent infection, then that would be a better moral choice than not caring at all.

    It’s a bit like if he said something like “although mugging people at knifepoint is wrong, that being said, a mugger who has a personal rule that they will never actually stab a victim, but will only use the knife to frighten them – although the mugging is still wrong, the mugger’s rule shows the beginnings of a code of morality, even within the immoral act itself, which might, in time, lead the mugger to develop this moral sense further”.

  8. There’s no such continent as Australia either. I know this for sure, because I have never personally been there. All the maps, history and ordinance books, and people who say they come from Australia, they’re all lying.

  9. …Do you see how ridiculous I sound if I make such an assertion as the above? I wilfully ignore the vast external body of evidence that Australia exists, and I state authoritatively that there is no such place, based simply upon my own subjective (non)-experience of it.
    Now, theoretically, it could be argued that I might actually be right. It is just possible that all the maps/books/personal testimonies about Australia are actually lies, all part of a vast plot to fool me, for some reason or other. But by the sheer weight of evidence stacked against me, surely the onus is upon me to prove that Australia doesn’t exist. I should be saying to myself “OK, granted, I have no subjective experience of Australia, no personal reason to know that it exists. But there’s a huge stack of witnesses pitted against me here. Statistically, I ought to thoroughly research their testimonies before I can denounce them all as liars”.

  10. I have seen to many miracles and encountered to many demons not to believe.

    As an American Catholic I find it best not to discuss the politics of the church, especially with those who can live in this world and deny the existence of good and evil.

  11. Tom, I completely agree with your interpretation of the Pope’s statement. He is definitely not condoning or issuing a formal change on the church’s position regarding birth control.

    Seamus, a devout Catholic who follows church strictures surely does not have free will – one would be considered apostate and face the damnation of eternal hell if their free will choices fell outside of church doctrine.

    Never mind communicable disease, If a practicing catholic chooses to limit the number of children in their family, they’re reduced to a wasteland of marital celibacy. Not exactly a policy that supports marriage or family bonds.

    I think the church is dead wrong, morally reprehensible even, on their misogynistic birth control ban.

  12. Seamus, a devout Catholic who follows church strictures surely does not have free will – one would be considered apostate and face the damnation of eternal hell if their free will choices fell outside of church doctrine.

    Your not Catholic are you Daphne?

  13. Not anymore.

    Got tired of confessing my free will choice not to have a baby every year of married life. The weekly penance of seeking my soul’s salvation for choosing not to procreate every time I enjoyed marital relations struck me as sanctimonious hypocrisy.

    What about you? I notice you don’t have a dozen or so children underfoot.

  14. By the way Troll, you do know that you’re supposed to offer up contrite confession for thwarting God’s will (natural law) by using birth control?

  15. being Catholic is more than birth control, I have stated numerous times on this blog that I am prochoice.

    If the reason that you left the church is over your bedroom habits than you never truly new what being a catholic is. Your view and statement about free will is even more revealing.

    There are the politics of the Church and there are the teachings of Christ.

  16. As a pick and choose Cafeteria (for procreative choice, war, torture – against all programs that serve the poor) Catholic, your opinion doesn’t hold much water.

    At least I respected the church enough to leave rather than lie.

  17. In the US , Ireland and all those other countries the bishops cardinals and popes protected every molester until the civil authorities brought them to heel

    To paraphrase Reagan, Indid not leave the Church, the Church left me

  18. my opinion holds no water, then why ask it.

    I didn’t.

    The church is NOT the catholic religion.

    That statement makes no sense. Why don’t you try it out on your parish priest and let me know his response.

  19. Despite the seriousness of all this, and the utter wickedness of Ratzinger and his ilk, it’s hard not to chuckle at the thought of a man in a big hat and frilly dress who’s never got laid telling others what to do with their bits and bobs, and people actually taking him seriously.

  20. Petr,

    “it’s hard not to chuckle at the thought of a man in a big hat and frilly dress who’s never got laid telling others what to do with their bits and bobs, and people actually taking him seriously.”

    Ratzinger never got laid? Who says so, the other frilly dresses of the Vatican? Not sure those sources are reliable, given what we know….

    But hey, did you miss the most astonishing, nay earth-shattering, statement on this thread? Here it is, in the words of The Troll:

    I have seen to many miracles and encountered to many demons not to believe.

    Wow, hold the front page! Someone in our midst has seen the laws of physics turned on their heads. Not once, mind you, but “to many times”.

    Has he published this I wonder. Is there a peer-reviewed paper one could read?

    Does the Vatican know? Are its finest astrologically theologically trained minds poring over the evidence even as I write these words?

    Or has Troll done no more than vouchsafe his astonishing news to this, a humble internet blog?

  21. “So it is the Church’s job to distribute those condoms?”

    Why not? It seems to have judged it to be its job to lobby governments to get condom promotion out of aid packages, and to place its agencies in between the people paying for the aid and those receiving it. So why shouldn’t it actually provide objective healthcare then?

    “Do you think the Church will start distributing them now that the Pope has made this decision?”

    I’d be surprised if some Catholics on the ground haven’t been quietly distributing them all along or referring to those who do.

    Anyway something lies behind this decision and it sure as heck isn’t theology. Almost nothing about the Catholic church makes sense unless viewed as a business. For example the change of position on limbo was clearly a marketing move – when you’re trying to expand in developing countries with a terrible child mortality rate, the bereaved would be not be very interested in a message that says that their children don’t go to heaven. And anything that gets in the way of business, even supposedly eternal and objective truths, are all up for grabs.

  22. Tom,

    “the mugger’s rule shows the beginnings of a code of morality, even within the immoral act itself, which might, in time, lead the mugger to develop this moral sense further”

    Just as the Pope’s decision shows the beginnings of a code of a morality.

    Sure, he’s still a mysoginistic paedophile protecting pervert, but this is a step in the right direction for him.

  23. “Almost nothing about the Catholic church makes sense unless viewed as a business.”

    I see you subscribe to the “Father Ted School of Theology”…

    “Father Ted Crilly: That’s the great thing about Catholicism – it’s so vague. No-one knows what it’s really all about.”

  24. Tom,

    “There’s no such continent as Australia either. I know this for sure, because I have never personally been there. All the maps, history and ordinance books, and people who say they come from Australia, they’re all lying. I wilfully ignore the vast external body of evidence that Australia exists, and I state authoritatively that there is no such place, based simply upon my own subjective (non)-experience of it.”

    And in the case of the afterlife, what vast external body of evidence would that be? The number of people claiming to have come from the afterlife is probably less than those claiming to have come from a UFO or the future, and the graveyards are full of people who haven’t done anything interesting in a long time.

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