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Diplomatic Realities

By Mike Cunningham On August 19th, 2012

Watching the balcony charade at the Ecuadorian Embassy, where the political pygmy which is the accused rapist Julian Assange primped and posed before the t.v. cameras of the world: and I pondered on the fate of another ‘prisoner of conscience’, a real man this time, whose memory has been virtually obliterated by time and the demands of a liberal media who do not like being reminded of the harsh truths of recent history.

Does the name Cardinal Mindzenty ring a far-away bell in your memories? It should, because he became the figurehead for all that was seen and known to be right in the Europe of the hell-pits which had been constructed by the minions of Stalin’s Russian armoured bullies in the vassal States surrounding Soviet Russia. Mindzenty, himself an ordinary priest who, ordained in 1915 and consecrated bishop of Vesprem in 1944, was appointed archbishop of Esztergom, the primate of Hungary, the following year. In 1946 Pope Pius XII made him a cardinal. Controversy and arrest were nothing new to Mindzenty, as he was first arrested in 1919 for condemning a State takeover of Catholic schools, and again in 1944 for incitement against the Nazis. When the Soviets seized power in Hungary, and installed their puppet government, the first name on the ‘arrest list’ was that of the prickly Cardinal, as they knew that he would not bow down before the false gods of Communism and the State. He was tortured and ‘brainwashed’, confessing to the fabricated ‘crimes’ he had been accused of, but the pictures flashed around the globe bore the lie; as the strong-featured man who had walked tall into prison, had become a pale, shattered ghost whose very eyes spoke volumes of the punishments dealt him by the torturers of the AVH.

He was freed from prison in the 1956 Hungarian uprising, and sought refuge in the American Embassy, where he remained until 1971, protected by Diplomatic Privilege. He travelled to Rome, thence on to Vienna, where he lived in exile until his death in 1975. His presence in that Embassy building was a constant thorn in the side of the Communists, but he refused to budge, and the Communists never dared to even threaten to break the boundaries of Diplomatic privilege: unlike a Yorkshire-bred moron who masquerades as Her Majesty’s Secretary of State, living in a dream world all of his own, who seemed to think that by threatening to remove Diplomatic Status from a Knightsbridge building, he could remove a thorn in his own foot!

45 Responses to “Diplomatic Realities”

  1. It’s easily solved: Assange has said he’ll walk out of the embassy if Sweden promises not to extradite him to the US. I wonder why Sweden won’t do that?

  2. Many post WWpeople thought that

  3. I wonder why Sweden won’t do that?

    I think they will. And of course he will be much safer in Sweden than Britain where he could be extradited at the drop of a hat if Uncle Sam demands it, no questions asked.

  4. Ooops!
    Many people post WW1,m thought that Hitler was a brave German soldier who fought in defence of the Fatherlamd..
    Subsequently he made his name as a house painter and a part time politician.
    Was Hitler the brightest most intelligent brain of Germany?
    No.
    Was he as bright as Frank O’Dwyer?
    No.
    Did he recognise that violence or the threat oif violence was as effective as intellectual argument?
    Yes.
    Had Frank O’Dwyer been at the height of his intellectual powers at the same time as Hitler had been at the height of his political/authoritative powers,, would Frank O’Dwyer h

  5. Ooops!
    Many people post WW1, thought that Hitler was a brave German soldier who fought in defence of the Fatherlamd..
    Subsequently he made his name as a house painter and a part time politician.
    Was Hitler the brightest most intelligent brain of Germany?
    No.
    Was he as bright as Frank O’Dwyer?
    Doubtful.

    Did he recognise that violence or the threat oif violence was as effective as intellectual argument?
    Yes.
    Had Frank O’Dwyer been at the height of his intellectual powers at the same time as Hitler had been at the height of his political/authoritative powers,, would Frank O’Dwyer have stood against him?

    Only you, gentle and unbiased ATWer can decide, 🙂

  6. Apologies,
    I have had more trouble understanding the complexities of Apple iMac ,than I ever experienced with Windows..
    The Docking system is a nightnaree=,,

  7. Had Frank O’Dwyer been at the height of his intellectual powers at the same time as Hitler had been at the height of his political/authoritative powers,, would Frank O’Dwyer have stood against him?

    I like to think that he would. Frank is fierce.

  8. Doubt it.

    Hitler would have been well into that climate change stuff.

    Free pass.

  9. Go on with your bad self, Pete Moore.

  10. Pete,

    “Hitler would have been well into that climate change stuff.”

    Would he have been more or less than into it than he was into your racism?

    I know, I know, you’re merely commending the argument and not the man.

  11. Agit8ted: “Would Frank O’Dwyer….”
    – nasty comment, and typical of the “I know what’s best for you” attitude of a politician, you local councillor creep.
    If you’re going to name-check an ATW commenter and bring his/her name into a debate, then kindly have the decency to only so so while that person is already actively engaged with you in debate, in the thread. For all you know, Frank might have been on holiday and away from his computer for the next fortnight, and thus unable to respond to your comment. Never mind about telling us all what Frank O’Dwyer might think. Let Frank speak for himself. Perhaps you also should learn to restrict yourself to doing likewise.

  12. Edit: “to only so so” – I merant “to only do so”. (Squarespace had its faults for sure, but oh how I miss its 15 minute typo-edit facility).

  13. Aaaaaarrrgghhh! Edit #2 – “merant” = “meant”. (and “Aaaaaarrrgghhh” = “Aaaarrrrghh”).

  14. Bravo, Tom.

  15. Julian Assange should be shot on site for the spy that he is,

  16. Bradley Manning can be considered a spy, who broke an oath that he took.

    Assange isn’t an American. He didn’t take any oath to protect US secrets. He is subject to Australian law, not US laws. Which Australian law did he break?

    I don’t like the guy either , btw.

  17. And he didn’t steal any secrets as far as I know. He reprinted what others stole, which is not exactly the same thing.

  18. Manning should be shot as a traitor, he is a traitor, ya git. he should get at least life in prison. and spies aren’t from the country whose secrets they steal. That’s why they’re called spies.

    What Assange did qualifies as the actions of a spy. He has earned his bullet to the head.

    Good god phantom don’t you own a dictionary?

  19. The Rosenbergs, US citizens, were ( justly ) convicted, and executed, for spying on behalf of the Soviet Union. They passed US atomic secrets to the Russians.

    Law and language have always included the possibility of a country’s own citizens being spies against one’s own nation.

  20. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-09-18/news/17905387_1_robert-meeropol-julius-rosenberg-michael-meeropol

  21. Thanks Tom. However I don’t think it was malicious, indeed I suspect that a8 just posted that to the wrong thread by mistake. That said I am not really sure what the point of the question was but I am sure there was one.

    Also a8 didn’t try to speak for me (Pete Moore did of course, and naturally he can get stuffed).

  22. Frank – chill, it’s just a joke.

  23. the rosenbergs were traitors, and got their just reward. When you betray your own country and give away it’s secrets you are a traitor. I would not expect any NY Paper to understand that or label it correctly considering the behavior of the NY Press over the past decade.

    Assange is a spy a spy gets secrets either for his country or to sell to the highest bidder. Assange added a new twist by printing his, we don’t know for sure what he has sold, but it has been reported that he did sell some of the information he acquired.

    Both Rosenbergs were American born and were traitors.

  24. Assange hasn’t broken any law in the US. We know from the cables published by wikileaks that some have broken the law (such as when H. Clinton ordered American diplomats to steal from diplomats at the UN, a crime for which there’s – naturally – yet to be an investigation), but he didn’t commit any crime there.

  25. Troll

    Are you drunk all the time now, or just insane?

    The ” NY paper ” linked to here was / is not in sympathy with the Rosenbergs, Lose the namby pamby attitude about NY. Your deep seated inferiority complex, however well deserved, makes you look weak. Every newspaper in the US reported this as a case of espionage at the time, the Pennsylvania papers included.

    spies aren’t from the country whose secrets they steal. That’s why they’re called spies.

    The Rosenbergs were convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage during time of war. The fact that they were US citizens did not change the fact that they were spies.

    In more recent times, US citizen and traitor Jonathan Pollard was convicted of espionage, despite the fact that he was a US citizen. He’s been in jail for at least 25 years, because he, a US citizen with a security clearance, committed espionage.

    Hopefully the spies Payton Manning, and Jonathan Pollard will never walk the streets as free men ever again. An ” own country ” spy deserves much harsher treatment than any foreign spy.

    You said that people could not spy against their own country. That’s a pretty stupid thing to say

  26. Assange isn’t an American. He didn’t take any oath to protect US secrets. He is subject to Australian law, not US laws. Which Australian law did he break?

    you said Assange couldn’t be a spy because he wasn’t American. I didn’t say an american couldn’t spy against his own nation.

    The classic definition of a spy is a foreigner gaining secrets from a country that is not his. Yes acts of espionage are acts of spying but we tend to label those that do it for a foreign nation against the nation of their birth as traitors.

    As for foreign spies being shot, It happens to be standard procedure in almost every nation on earth, and is mandatory in war time. Get caught behind enemy lines in uniform they (if they follow the rules of war) are supposed to take you prisoner. Caught without a uniform and you are allowed to shoot them as a spy, and do all sorts of nasty things to interrogate them.

    If you weren’t so full of yourself you might understand that this was the whole issue with fighting the Islamics and those that we have at Gitmo.

    Tour dancing demons off your ass. Assange is a spy, he is the organizer behind the theft of American secrets. He got caught and publicly published large portions of damaging information that has resulted in the deaths of people.

    Why do you think he is hiding in embassies? He knows that he is very likely to meet with an untimely end.

    Grow up.

  27. That must have been some other Troll wot said dat.

    Assange still shouldn’t be subject to US law. He didn’t unearth any secrets, others did. He was the publisher, not the spy.

    And he wasn’t acting ” against the US “, for what its worth, his organization printed material from / about a number of countries. It’s a kind of repository for everyone’s secrets.

  28. yeah as I said your dancing demons off your ass.

    you can’t handle facts or reality Phantom

    You make up things that other people say, you make accusations against people with no grounds to do so, and you have proven your aren’t man enough to admit when you are wrong.

    Nothing you post rates anything other than the sport of sticking pins in you, and you provide endless opportunity to do so.

  29. “Hopefully the spies Payton Manning, and Jonathan Pollard will never walk the streets as free men ever again. An ” own country ” spy deserves much harsher treatment than any foreign spy.”

    I know he isn’t the Colts Quarterback anymore but that would still be a bit harsh.

  30. Troll

    Your own words damn you.

    spies aren’t from the country whose secrets they steal. That’s why they’re called spies.

    Your apology is accepted.

    Seamus

    !!!

    OK, let’s jail him too.

  31. “Assange is a spy, he is the organizer behind the theft of American secrets.”

    What, he put an ad in craigslist asking for spies to contact him?

    The is so much BS. Wikileaks simply published info passed to it. The New York Times and The Guardian published some of the same details. As usual, Washington is being highly selective about who the kaw applis to. Same goes for some of the subjects of the cables.

  32. Julian Assange didn’t steal it. Bradley Manning did. He, a journalist, was given those cables and published them. He is no more a spy than the countless number of journalists and papers who published them afterwards as well. While I know that many conservatives don’t like the New York Times I would imagine most of them will think you are insane if you suggest shooting their journalists.

  33. Okay Pete beat me to it.

  34. In a way, Assange did the US a favor by showing where weak security points exist.

    We need to control the security of our information. The fact that Manning was able to download and retransmit such a volume of classified information shows that we had very poor security controls. The Israelis or Russians would have better controls than this.

  35. I apologize for using the classic definition of a spy, and for the fact that I can not get you to understand the definition or the difference between a spy and a traitor that spies.

    Trying to explain nuance to a person like Phantom that has problems understanding the difference between right and wrong I freely admit is out of my depth.

    Assange knows his life is threatened due to his actions, even if you don’t.

    You dance on your fanciful realities. Your a man of no honor, I will poke fun at you for the clown that you are and the idiocy that you represent, but your inability to act like a man removed any ability your opinion ever had to carry any weight on any subject.

    Phantom you may dislike me, and I hope I irritate you, but all I feel for you is pity.

  36. Yes, you are quite the man of nuance.

  37. yes and my favored fine crafting tool is a sledgehammer

  38. Actually I don’t dislike you in the least.

    You harm only yourself with some of the things that you say, and by brute forcing arguments instead of thinking them through. Don’t be so angry all the time. Strive to be a worthy opponent.

  39. Phantom, most of the people on here stopped being worthy opponents and taking reasonable stance long ago.

    Very few are open to honest discussions on policy, doctrines, belief systems or tactics. You have two guys that see boogeymen under every rock and those boogeymen always are wrapped in an american flag.

    You have several people that are sympathetic to IRA terrorists.

    And then there is also you. You accused me of being willing to use private information against you in some nefarious way. I have never nor would I ever do such a thing. You can say you don’t dislike me, yet you freely make such a vile accusation.

    I don’t harm myself, it may look like that in your eyes, but your eyes tend to see only what you want and you show little inclination for either debate or civility.

    I represent a point of view, yes I like to use theater in my presentation of that point of view. I do so to get the point across.

    If you ever stated a point of view that you would be willing to debate in a reasonable manner you might just get the same in turn, until then neither you nor your point of view are worthy of being viewed as something to debate or exchange points of view on, only moments of humor, and points easily ridiculed.

  40. Once again, you are dead wrong – the two Alex Jones guys don’t wrap themselves in the flag. They’d burn that flag first, especially one of them.

    As one who has ” given a pass ” to those who blew up occupied hotel buildings and who have murdered relatives of some here, it is a bit rich for you to get on any high horse on the issue of terrorism. Lots of people ” give a pass ” for terrorism when its their buddies that are doing it, and you’re just as morally compromised as they are. So no moral high horse speech from you, buster.

    Your approach has been that of a belligerent stupidity, where you don’t know the issues, don’t know any of the terms or definitions that you use– whether it be for balanced budget – or –on this thread– spy will show.

    Do something about that wild anger, friend. Nothing good can come of it.

  41. I didn’t say they wrapped themselves in the flag I said they wrapped the boogeyman in the american flag, you see once again your eyes see things that aren’t there and ignore things that are. (just an example of your brilliant powers of observation)

    I gave the jews a pass on the founding of their nation, and those actions at that time only. I have stated before that I would give any people a pass if they had just come out having MILLIONS of their kind barbecued and made into soap and lampshades. … Who in here has had a family member killed by the jews in a terror attack?

    So I do claim the moral high ground, the fact that you can’t see the difference between what the jews did in founding their country and the circumstances of that time from planting a bomb in a Pub or sending your child on a bus wearing c4 and ball bearings, only shows your immense ignorance. Not my lack of moral ground.

    Phantom there is not an issue, a topic, a position or ability that exists in all of gods creation that I am not better than you in.

    You are a fool that lives in a bubble, you see the world through your NY goldfish lens, and even as you travel the world peddling your goods you gain nothing to your view. Your like the man that feels cultured because he has a library of books, yet he has never really read any of them.

    I do pity you.

  42. You are a hot tempered illiterate, and are the most open terrorist sympathizer here.

  43. lol great response.

    I’m impressed with the subtleties of how you weaved the points of your position into your response. Such a valued example of your mastery at the art of debate.

  44. “I’m impressed with the subtleties of how you weaved the points of your position into your response. Such a valued example of your mastery at the art of debate.”

    Christ Jesus, that’s some rich shit coming from you.

  45. 🙂