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I have the utmost respect for our military and think them underpaid and undervalued in many ways but this sort of story really make you wonder about what goes on at times;

A British soldier has given birth to a baby boy while serving in Afghanistan, despite allegedly being unaware she was even pregnant. The woman, a gunner in the Royal Artillery, had complained of stomach pains before medics informed her she was in labour. She gave birth to a son five weeks premature in Camp Bastion on Tuesday. Mother and baby are both said to be in a stable condition, with a specialist paediatric team from the John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford, preparing to travel to Afghanistan to assist them on the flight home. The Ministry of Defence last night confirmed it was against military policy for servicewomen to be deployed on operations while pregnant and said they had been unaware the servicewoman was expecting. It is the first time a soldier from the UK has given birth while in Afghanistan.

Why are we sending pregnant woman to the frontline? Is this what feminism is all about? I don’t think so. I am sure the particularities of this case will be investigated including her alleged unawareness of being pregnant. But I wonder if you share my alarm at a pregnant woman being on active duty?

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29 thoughts on “FRONTLINE PREGNANCY

  1. “really make you wonder about what goes on at times;”

    Well David,
    what happens is, when two people of the opposite sex find each other (temporarily) attractive, the man drops his pants….
    No solution military or otherwise, has been found to this problem. 😉

  2. Didnt know she was pregnant , what a joke! Women and drama is like fly and sh*t. Women want to be treated as equals but pull stunts like this.

  3. This story about a pregnant gunner is actually confirmation of the old line about Gunners just ‘shoving another round up the spout, and then pulling the trigger line’.

    Seems just a little, shall we say ‘stretching’ credibility!

  4. Cunningham,
    It IS true, but they do it differently.
    Gooseberry bushes like hedgehogs find it painful.
    Birds and bees don’t wear trousers.
    (Birds especially have a tendency to put both legs in one trouser, and this makes landing difficult. That is why in evolutionary terms, birds prefer skirts).

    Charles,
    Your comment is unworthy of you. My wife is a beautiful person inside and out. Women like men are shaped by their experiences.

  5. Your comment is unworthy of you. My wife is a beautiful person inside and out. Women like men are shaped by their experiences.

    Do you honestly beleive she didnt realise she was pregnant? Do you honestly believe dropping a baby in a warzone is a cute and heartwarming event? Wrong, keep your nickers on before a deployment.

  6. Women don’t belong in combat or near combat and should never be on ship.

    Commanders have a mission to accomplish, and managing pregnancy issues in the troops should not be anywhere on their to do list.

    Its a huge problem in the US Navy that never seems to be reported.

  7. Charles,
    I don’t wear knickers, I wear kaks; or sometimes “Stanley Matthews” as my Dad called them.
    I don’t know what she believed Charles. It’s a different generation.
    Like Phantom I don’t believe women should serve in the frontline military, and I preferred it when homosexuals kept their preferences to themselves -especially on a ship.
    But like Tevyeh might say,
    “Golda (aka Charles), it’s a different world out there!”

    Neither you nor I, are in a position to change it. The tragedy of life is that we are bound to reject the conclusions then repeat the mistakes of previous generations because “they are old” and “we are young.”

  8. Women want equal rights, Gays want equal rights, trannies want equal rights. where’s it end? If i ran the show things would be very different….

  9. Mahons,
    pretty pathetic.
    You want a military of ONE ATW recruit?
    And even that ONE doesn’t want war for the sake of it!
    And in saying that, think about how Patty gets treated on this site;
    You trying to tell me that the way she is treated is civilised and courteous?
    I think NOT.

  10. Charles,
    “Women want equal rights, Gays want equal rights, trannies want equal rights. where’s it end? If i ran the show things would be very different….”

    Up and down the country people are heaving big sighs of relief…! 🙂

  11. Agit8ed- I will not allow peaceniks like yourself the opportunity to prevent ATW’s angry men from leading by example and going to the front lines in place of these uppity women.

    As for your wish to descend into specific individuals on the site I have long maintained that those who wish civilized and courteous discourse should attempt it themselves.

    By the way, it is not the policy of the British Army to send pregnant women to the front lines, as one could ascertain by either reading the article cited in the post.

  12. “As for your wish to descend into specific individuals on the site I have long maintained that those who wish civilized and courteous discourse should attempt it themselves.”
    Are you issuing yourself a reminder re Patty, or is that an attack on my conduct
    you bl*****y tw**t nosed AMer*%@”n exc&*?”{@ for a HUM@””:/? b**%$£@ing?!

    Jus’ saying.

  13. Charles,
    Don’t quite see the medal of Honour reference, even if I had one.
    My take on life is as valid as the next man’s.
    Whether people like it or not is another matter.
    But if people should feel free to diss me and mine, then they really shouldn’t be surprised if I respond in kind.

  14. Mahons, on September 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am Said:

    Replace all women on the front lines with those men on ATW who constantly advocate war.

    If keyboards were deadly weapons, they’d be the new Pattons, yes they would!

  15. Agit8ed- I am reminding you that only demanding civility from those you disagree with and excusing it from those you agree doesn’t seem grant one the moral high ground. However, why not return to the topic?

    it is these blasted heterosexuals in the armed forces causing the instances of pregnancy!

    In all seriousness, the front lines don’t exist in these wars. The entire theater of the war is a front line, and women have served out of patriotism (don’t reduce their service to mere feminism), and they have quite often served with honor and made the supreme sacrifice. The discussion requires more respect than it is getting here. Designated combat roles may very well be ineffective, but the days of them not being involved at all in operations are long gone.

  16. When a private gets knocked up thousands of miles from her home base, or a Navy enlisted woman becomes pregnant at sea, perhaps in the middle of the Indian Ocean, it is a severe distraction. One which does not exist in the absence of women in these roles.

    The military does not exist for fun job opportunities for all. We should have acted accordingly.

    It does not impugn anyone’s patriotism to point out biological reality.

  17. Mhons,
    In all seriousness, the front lines don’t exist in these wars. The entire theater of the war is a front line, and women have served out of patriotism (don’t reduce their service to mere feminism), and they have quite often served with honor and made the supreme sacrifice.”

    I absolutely don’t disagree. And hey just think for a minute, who is it on this site who not only regularly welcomes the contributions of the ladies, but also refers to his wife?
    Sorry Buster, but I don’t think that was happening very much when I signed up.

    Secondly, in evolutionary or Godly terms, most decent men care about women.
    They want to protect them, they tend not to be as complex emotionally, (look up Mark Gungor’s take on the differences) , and we don’t bear or nurture, children.

    So most men want to protect women. They don’t want to see their guts splattered all over the walls, hear them being raped or tortured, or watch them die in agony.

    You may have a modern take on it all, I DON’T.
    Women are brave, women are noble, women can be as savage as men. But none of that is going to stop me or most decent men of my generation, from wanting to to protect or cherish them.
    And incidentally it’s obvious from your treatment of “her whose name we daren’t mention” that we won’t agree any time soon.
    Have a nice day now.

  18. //Women ..are shaped by their experiences.//

    That’s true, and my wife comes from the Alps.

    //It is the first time a soldier from the UK has given birth while in Afghanistan//

    Just wait till it emerges that the father is a Taleban fighter.

    It would be nice if what started as a Comedy of Errors ended with Rashid and Juliet.

  19. Noel mon Cher.
    You didn’t explain your earlier comments re my strange views.
    Believe it or not I do care about your opinions…

  20. It is the first time a soldier from the UK has given birth while in Afghanistan

    That’s just so sweet! Perhaps Ellen or Oprah can do a show on this accomplishment!

  21. It would be nice if what started as a Comedy of Errors ended with Rashid and Juliet.

    Sounds like a new comedy sitcom for E4

  22. The most important question not being asked is …will the baby get a medal for seeing service in Afghanistan ?

  23. They say the old jokes are the best !! Years ago I hear of the girl who didn’t know she was pregnant. Some wag said, ‘What did she do? Wash her Knickers in Omo and OMO works wonders.’

  24. “The most important question not being asked is …will the baby get a medal for seeing service in Afghanistan ?”

    Or seeing cervix?? 🙂

  25. will the baby get a medal for seeing service in Afghanistan ?

    Why not? the ginger prince will get a bunch for sitting around with SAS minders shooting the breeze.

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