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Being born here in Northern Ireland, being Catholic, and declaring  you are British is becoming a cardinal sin!

Golfing superstar Rory McIlroy has said he will rethink comments he made about choosing whether to compete for Britain or Ireland in the 2016 Olympic Games. Last week the Holywood young gun, who is Catholic, said he had felt “more British than Irish” – the remarks seemingly the strongest indication of the sportsman’s intentions to represent Team GB in Rio. But the 23-year-old two-time major winner and world number one at the time said he had “absolutely not made a decision” about who he would represent or whether he would compete.Speaking in Atlanta yesterday he said he may reconsider his position on the matter.

It is obvious Rory has been “pressurised” to change his mind. Shame on those who have influenced him. Being BRITISH, being CATHOLIC and coming from Norther Ireland …. forbidden!

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117 thoughts on “THE SHAME OF BEING BRITISH…

  1. If true,
    that’s really silly.
    I have Catholic neighbours here in my little corner of Norfolk.
    We exchange Christmas cards.
    True,
    they’re wrapped around bricks and come through the window rather than the letterbox;
    but the sentiment is genuine.

    Rory’s a fine young man. He’s a credit to his parents and the community he comes from. If he’s been “leaned on” I think we have to look past that and like Andy Murray recognise the talent and his growing maturity. I think you have to differentiate between what the person really is, and what others pressure them into being.
    There but for the grace of God, go you or I.

  2. ‘It is obvious Rory has been “pressurised” to change his mind.’

    Nonsense. It’s only ‘obvious’ to you. What is more ‘obvious’ is that you don’t want to consider that he might choose Irish over British.

    What the hell difference does it make!? Will your life, or mine, or anyone else’s be changed – even slightly – by the decision Rory McIlroy makes regarding which team he may or may not represent in four years time!?

    Personally, I like to see anyone from this island doing well, whether it’s in sport, business, entertainment (with the exception of Jimmy Cricket!) or whatever. I don’t support them any more or less based on their declaration of nationality.

    ‘Being BRITISH, being CATHOLIC and coming from Norther Ireland …. forbidden!’

    Absolute crap, which says more about your own fears and insecurities than anything else. Just try and be happy for, and supportive of, Rory McIlroy, and any other person from here, without resorting to your archaic labelling in order to claim some kind of childish bragging rights.

  3. Seimi,
    I thought Jimmy Cricket was a very funny comedian. Around the same time as Freddy (Parrot face) Davies?
    Are there nuances about Jimmy’s act I should have picked up on?
    Is it the same as with Jethro or Billy Connolly?
    Or my liking Darby O’Gill and the Little People or The Quiet Man with John Wayne and Maureen O Hara, or The Cinderella Man??
    I like them because they do describe the human condition, and how us humans try to come to terms with reconciling the integrity and hopes and dreams of their inner being with exterior, more powerful forces; not that they parody this group or that group.

  4. Agi,

    ok, ignore what I said in the post, and instead focus in on one, tongue-in-cheek comment.

    I don’t and didn’t find Jimmy Cricket funny, partly for the same reason that Daley Thompson’s ‘joke’ on the BBC a while back wasn’t funny. His ‘act’ perpetuated a myth that all Irish people are stupid, bumpkin-like idiots, something which is first of all patently not true, and second of all is insulting to many.

    The other reason I didn’t and don’t find him funny is, well, because he wasn’t funny.

    If you have the time between reading thrillers, try and check out this book:

    Nothing but the Same Old Story: The Roots of Anti-Irish Racism, by Liz Curtis. It’s not a very long book, but it’s very interesting.

  5. This whole Rory thing is pretty typical of ‘norn iron’ thinking, he cant just play golf he HAS to pick a side. Sad.

  6. Seimi,
    First off, you really are a patient lad.
    Secondly let me say that when I watched Jimmy Cricket, I don’t think we ever thought he was portraying Irish people. He was a comedian with a funny accent (I think he also wore wellingtons?) and he told funny jokes that made you laugh.
    All credit to the man. To make people laugh is a gift, as long as it has no “agenda” attached.
    So perhaps Seimi, you are being a little over sensitive?
    I remember back in the ’50s the Amos’n Andy show with Sapphire and some other characters. It was about black people’s lives.
    Did I laugh simply because they were black?
    No. I didn’t know any black people (we used to be a white society in the early 50’s We didn’t even have a car or a fridge).
    I/We laughed because they said funny things in a funny accent, and Amos -or was it Andy? -pulled funny faces. Same with Car 54 where are you?.
    So maybe Seimi, just maybe, you are being oversensitive. Which goes back to the fact that it seems only Paul McMahons picks up on my acknowledgement of the bad stuff we English do, have done. The fact that in my life I have roughed it probably as well as most others on this site, and that I can still appreciate the good things about being English and British, AND defend people who through no fault of their own have the bad luck to be born into the Royal Family!

  7. Agi,

    I’m not being over-sensitive about anything.I didn’t find Jimmy Cricket funny, for the reasons I gave above. Should I just shut up and get on with it, just because there were some shows in the 50s which poked fun at minorities? That’s nonsense. I am as entitled to be offended (or not) as you.

    Just for the record – I didn’t feel offended by Jimmy cricket. I wasn’t filled with a patriotic rage at his attempts at humour. I felt annoyed that this idiot was on national TV, portraying Irish people as idiots. Just like you, Agi, I am fiercely proud of my nationality and background. Just like you, I can also see the wrongs and rights people of my nationality have done, both at home and abroad. And just like you, I can decide what I like and don’t like. And I didn’t and don’t like Jimmy Cricket. Jesus, I regret mentioning him now!

    Actually ON topic – I think the people in this Country/Province/Occupied 6 Counties who do well for themselves are damned no matter who they ‘declare’ for, because it will always be the ‘wrong side.’ McIlroy acknowledges this himself in the article.

  8. Seimi,

    Of course all that hatred wouldn’t have anything to do with ‘anti-British’ racism would it? and the way it has been displayed since the 70’s.

    I don’t recollect too many bombings in Dublin or anywhere in the South, but well remember quite a few on the Mainland.

    I owned and ran a business in west London for many years and employed quite a few Irishmen and women, and never once came across such enmity and bile as I have seen displayed on this blog.

    I found most to be genuine ordinary folk and the nearest any of us came to anything IRA was when the collecting tin was rattled in the numerous pubs in the area, – and even there the collectors got a less than friendly welcome. I believe the IRA got more support for its ideas in places such as Boston. Mass and New York.

    In my subsequent business career in the US I met a group of ‘Paddys’ from Boston who came to stay at my humble inn for a St Patricks celebration.

    On arrival and the minute they heard my accent they started on about ‘the troubles’ and all that jazz, talk about bigotry!

    That they were all third generation Yanks! and none of them had even visited Ireland, yet they came prepared for Paddy Nacht complete with pea green suits and top hats, made the situation even more comic.

    Luckily after a few days we established a rapport and they visited us annually for several years.

    As I have said before, Republicans rarely do their cause any good when repeating what has become virtually a mantra of hate. I have yet to read or hear anything similar from the English side.

  9. Just for the record – I didn’t feel offended by Jimmy cricket. I wasn’t filled with a patriotic rage at his attempts at humour. I felt annoyed that this idiot was on national TV, portraying Irish people as idiots. Just like you, Agi, I am fiercely proud of my nationality and background.

    Here here, but if any of us English show that very same trait ‘fiercely proud of my nationality and background’ we are called Little Englanders .. go figure.

  10. Ernest – what the f*** are you talkin’ about??

    What ‘hatred’ did I display? Where did I state any ‘hatred’ for anyone?

    You have lost it.

    My posts here have been about a golfer who is undecided about what flag to fly, and a less than third rate (in my opinion) comedian from the 80s. Hatred wasn’t mentioned once, until you came along.

  11. ‘Here here, but if any of us English show that very same trait ‘fiercely proud of my nationality and background’ we are called Little Englanders .. go figure.’

    By whom, Harri? Me?

    Agit8ed has been, for several days now, been very vocal in his pride of his nationality. Pete Moore constantly writes about his own pride and love for his country. Have I attacked them for that? No, of course not. Why would I?

  12. Ernest – Welcome to ATW. This is clearly your first time here since you’ve apparently never read the works of Andrew McCann or the Logical Unionist or any of their fellow anti-Catholic and anti-Irish friends. You will probably be as shocked as I am that there is already a guy named Ernest who has been coming here for years, but we will be able to distinguish the two of you because he certainly couldn’t claim with any honesty to have read anything similar from the ‘English side”.

    In fact Ernest the guy who runs the site, David Vance, as recently as September 10, 2012 was posting of the glory of Rory when the young man announced he felt more British than Irish. It only took a couple of comments from Rory backing away from announcing who and if he might play for come the next Olmpics for Mr. Vance to turn on him. Go read the earlier post, you will enjoy it since you are an even-handed person.

    I am sorry that you encountered rather comical Yanks who were celebrating St. Patrick’s Day which you, in your obvious desire to avoid bigotry call “Paddy Nacht.” I am sure it was your unbiased nature that eventually smoothed things over. Once again, a thousand welcomes.

    1. Just a second Mahons. You misrepresent me. I congratulated Rory for stating the obvious and condemned those who have subsequently pressurised him into a possible change. At no point did I “turn on him”. Do not put words in my mouth, I know exactly what I said and am disappointed you should think so little of me.

  13. Seimi,

    ‘Nothing but the Same Old Story: The Roots of Anti-Irish Racism, by Liz Curtis’

    I was responding to your reading recommendation!

    Surely it has a lot to do the choice of who Rory wishes to represent, or which flag to fly.

    Shame that you didn’t comprehend the connection!

  14. Damnation – there goes the punch line – should have read “he can not claim with any honesty NOT to have read anything similar from the “English side”.”

  15. Ernest is one of those rare breeds that tars entire populations with the same brush based on isolated incidences lol

  16. ‘Surely it has a lot to do the choice of who Rory wishes to represent, or which flag to fly.’

    It had nothing to do with McIlroy, Ernest. It had to do with Agit8ed’s comment –

    ‘Are there nuances about Jimmy’s act I should have picked up on?
    Is it the same as with Jethro or Billy Connolly?
    Or my liking Darby O’Gill and the Little People or The Quiet Man with John Wayne and Maureen O Hara, or The Cinderella Man??
    I like them because they do describe the human condition, and how us humans try to come to terms with reconciling the integrity and hopes and dreams of their inner being with exterior, more powerful forces; not that they parody this group or that group.’

    ‘Shame that you didn’t comprehend the connection!’

    Indeed. It might have saved you from jumping the gun and getting it totally wrong.

  17. Seimi,
    You have people on ATW who respect you. You have me who listens to what you say, as you do me, and thinks about it.
    Is he right?
    Am I wrong?
    Am I (in my case) shooting my mouth off without thinking?
    Let’s reflect..
    I think you have put me right more times than I have you! As has Paul McMahons. Even though we maybe/do! sit on different ends of the political spectrum.
    So look at what you wrote about Jimmy Cricket..

    His ‘act’ perpetuated a myth that all Irish people are stupid, bumpkin-like idiots, something which is first of all patently not true, and second of all is insulting to many.”

    I don’t, never have thought that. What I and others maybe react to is people’s defensiveness about their backgrounds, whatever they may be. Take a film like “The Pursuit of Happyness”.
    Do I like that film because it’s about a black person making it in spite of “white” majority opposition?
    NO!!
    I like it because it’s about a bloke who had to struggle against his situation and make something of himself. He defines himself by what he is and what he can do -not by his blackness. I admire that.
    See many people think in stereotypes; about race, about colour about blue blood. But I TRY to see it as individuals being able to understand their situation and then having the determination, the integrity to say,
    “Don’t judge me by my outward appearance, judge me by my inner person, my thoughts, my analysis of life, my integrity, my attempts to understand and empathise with others who are different to me.”

  18. Agi,

    That’s a very long-winded way to say ‘Different people see different things in different ways.’

    However, your assertion that you ‘TRY to see it as individuals being able to understand their situation and then having the determination, the integrity to say,
    “Don’t judge me by my outward appearance, judge me by my inner person, my thoughts, my analysis of life, my integrity, my attempts to understand and empathise with others who are different to me.” – would perhaps hold more water, were you not to use Darby O’Gill and the Little People or The Quiet Man when talking about Irish people, or Amos ‘n Andy when talking about Black people… 😉

    Hope that helps 🙂

  19. Seimi,
    No it doesn’t.
    And if you think about it, I am a child of a forties,fifties and sixties Britain. These issues were not a part of my upbringing. My daddy told me stories and anecdotes about Scots and Irish people that he knew as a kid, then in the Royal Navy.
    He didn’t teach us to hate or look down on anybody.
    I think I am intelligent enough to like films and comedy without assuming that they represent true life.

  20. Ah! – yet another snake slithers from beneath his rock!

    Hello Mahons!

    Yes there are folk with Irish connections who are pissed off with the continual harping and carping of republicans, I was referring to how things where on the mainland, and how even during the height of the troubles while there was horror at the bombings and a general dislike of the terrorist IRA, it barely affected everyday Anglo-Irish relationships at a local eveyday level. The Irish seemed just as appalled as the rest of us at the Irish terrorist’s actions.

    So back to my query re ‘anti British racism’. In this modern day I think you will find it to be far worse than the one mentioned in the title of that Liz Curtis book, especially when displayed here.

    That Andrew drew so much attention and rattled so many chains probably means he caused more than just little emabarassment to a few egos, but he still only spoke for a minority, but it seems that even that was intolerable. There are extremists on both sides, only some are more extreme than others, and most of them are on the republican side.

    As for the LU – he is obviously a troll, – perhaps more obvious than yourself, but still a troll.

    As for Roy’s change of stance, do you really think that his change of mind, obviously after much thought, is the result of an honest feeling, and not just the pressure of his agent or publicity manager?

  21. Ernest – no matter what you say I am just glad you got to make things better with your American guests. I know as an Innkeeper you’ve been haunted for some time after having turned away the Holy Family all those years ago.

    As for Rory’s “change” of stance I think he’s always tried to not cause offense to either community, and his comments on either occassion are not necessarily inconsistent.

  22. Wee Rory’s changed will come about ‘cos a 50 foot Dollar sign gave him a trashing in his dreams. Thats the one and only thing that motivated sportsman, stay tuned for his advertising debut hawking watches or aftershaves lol

  23. Seimi,
    Just caught up with earlier comments made whilst responding to yours.
    I have no wish to fall out with anybody and certainly not you. But…

    Agit8ed has been, for several days now, been very vocal in his pride of his nationality.”
    I think you have read this wrong.
    As far as I am aware I am the only true Englishman (I don’t count Pete because he doesn’t pay his tv licence and has weird views about government) who comments on this blog and tries to be balanced about the English treatment of (in this case) the Irish. I don’t know how many times I have acknowledged my ignorance , my misunderstandings my lack of sensitivity on the issue; but I have tried to be objective.
    Now in the last few days what I have been defending is attacks on the younger members of our royal family, in particular their desire to serve the nation in the military, and Prince William’s desire to protect his wife. Nothing more and nothing less.
    I have tried to make it clear that I am not a sycophantic royalist. I do not believe people are “born” royal: it is a role they have to grow into, and if they can’t behave with grace and dignity, in my book they ain’t royal.
    I have slagged off my own people, listing their faults and failings and their good points. I am grateful to be born into a society that allowed parents like mine to flourish and teach me the need to work, Christian values, respect, loyalty and commitment.
    Those are values that anyone can share. My greatest ambition is to be a follower of Jesus Christ and a subject of His Kingdom.
    Okay I fail that in many respects, but that is my goal. My second is to accept my nationality. Appreciate the good, acknowledge the bad.
    End of.

  24. Agit

    You consider yourself the only true Englishman here ?

    How to make friends and influence them, then piss them off .. why are you the ‘Only true Englishman’ here .. what because you live in Norfolk 😉

    I don’t have any wish to follow the invisible man that apparently lives in the sky, but I am as English as you my freind.

  25. Oh, okay Harri,
    You can be English too.

    ps there IS no invisible man in the sky. “In Him we live and move and have our being”
    He ain’t out there. WE are!

  26. ps there IS no invisible man in the sky. “In Him we live and move and have our being”
    He ain’t out there. WE are!

    Religion certainly does work in mysterious ways 😉

    Agi, It’s not a case of “Oh, okay Harri,You can be English too.”

    I am English, Anglo-Saxon I do believe.

    As for Rory whatsisname … Raw talent is all I see.

  27. “Ernest – no matter what you say I am just glad you got to make things better with your American guests. I know as an Innkeeper you’ve been haunted for some time after having turned away the Holy Family all those years ago.”

    Mahons,
    You can be so funny! You really must develop your talent for writing and stop being so falsely modest about it. Modesty leads nowhere.

  28. Harri, on September 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm Said:
    My apologies to Rory whatisname

    For going off Topic.

    Somethings are Irresistible.

  29. Harri,
    You make a big mistake in judging a faith by those who claim to follow it.
    There was a very good Dirk Bogarde film years ago “The Singer not the Song”

    Illustrates what I think is your mistake.

  30. Agi, I meant no disrespect when I said that you had been vocal in your pride. I was merely saying that you took pride in your nationality.

    Ernest, I don’t get you at all. What was wrong with me mentioning that book? Have you read it? If so, do you disagree with its findings? Please, honour us with your critique of it.

    ‘There are extremists on both sides, only some are more extreme than others, and most of them are on the republican side.’

    Well, that’s that settled then. Just for the record, do you consider me to be one of those ‘extremists’, and if so, on which ‘side’ am I?

    By the way – 6 people have commented on this post of David’s. Only one of them mentioned hatred. Only one referred to another poster as a ‘snake’, slithering from under a rock. Go on – guess who?

  31. Seimi,
    In the meantime I have been in contact with one of the people you mentioned. As soon as their reply comes through I will post it.
    I do respect you. I do recognise that sometimes you are a more reasonable person than I am. But I have to say on this thread I think you have read it wrong. 🙂

  32. Thanks for the Liz Curtis book recommendation, Seimi. I’m attending a series of lectures called Two Roads Diverged: A Dialogue on Black and Irish contributions to American Culture with the great Mick Maloney and Lenwood O. Sloan.
    Naturally, the course covers, in part, the history of anti-Irish bias and Irish slavery and indentured servitude in the Caribbean and U.S. south. While I’ve ‘studied’ the subject before, these two have put together a fascinating presentation on the subject.

  33. The book is fascinating, mairin. It looks at the charicatures of Irish people over the years, and includes the infamous Daily Mail(?) cartoon, amongst others.

  34. Seimi,
    Please reflect.
    You have listed various items which you think display a section of your community or culture in a bad light. I have refuted that on the grounds of my own experience.
    I have accepted criticism of Britain (England in particular) where I think it is merited. In fact I think I have done that more than most.
    I have followed your reasoning, and contacted one of the people you mention. But at the end of the day, I
    thought I had made it clear that if a person has a talent they have a talent. Where they came from, what they believe and what influenced them should be for them to decide, nobody else. Rory is a fine golf player. Very likeable. I don’t know anyone who dislikes him for being Irish: Catholic/Protestant/ Jewish/Hindu/Muslim or anything else. That’s all that matters. He’s a good lad. He’s done well. So did Darby O’Gill in his time and Jimmy Cricket and Dave Allen in their time.

  35. Yes, I’d seen a few of the cartoons many years before and on Tuesday we saw many more on big screen situated next to the similar depictions of Africans. S’funny, I remember reading about Irish indentured servants in history classes but never about slaves…To Hell, Connaught, or the Caribbean.

  36. Mairin2
    Maybe one day someone will get around to writing a book about the English who ended up as slaves around the world, but particularly as slaves in Rome or as rowers in galleys, in Muslim ships, in Muslim harems, in foreign courts, in German/Japanese POW camps
    Being English was no guarantee of immunity. The fact is that we are the dominant culture of the British Isles, somehow or another we built an Empire, and we let go of that Empire pretty peaceably.
    I am getting a bit fed up with people consciously or unconsciously bashing the BritishEnglish.
    The “ordinary” English have been treated like shite at various times too. Even by the “extraordinary” upper class/middle class English.
    Unless you make your living from pointing out our failings, please try and get over it.
    Life can be tough. Shit happens to all of us.

  37. I have no beef with the English, A8. I’m more interested in the history of arts and culture and to understand American culture, you have to understand the history…hence, this particular focus. Jamaica in November…woo hoo!

  38. Agi, you’re reading the posts all wrong.
    I didn’t list ‘various items which you think display a section of your community or culture in a bad light.’ You listed them. I merely pointed out that, if you wished to be seen as someone who didn’t think in stereotypes, then perhaps using probably the 2 most stereotyped ‘Irish’ films ever made, might not be a good approach.

    ‘I have accepted criticism of Britain (England in particular) where I think it is merited. In fact I think I have done that more than most.’

    That’s really great. Except I didn’t at any stage, in any of my posts, criticise Britain in general, or England in particular. Feel free to check.

    ‘I have followed your reasoning, and contacted one of the people you mention.’

    You may have followed my reasoning, but I’m not following you. Who did you contact? And why?

    ‘But at the end of the day, I thought I had made it clear that if a person has a talent they have a talent.’

    I also thought I had made that clear. What’s your point?

    ‘ Where they came from, what they believe and what influenced them should be for them to decide, nobody else.’

    That was exactly the point I was making in my very first post, when I wrote:-

    ‘What the hell difference does it make!? Will your life, or mine, or anyone else’s be changed – even slightly – by the decision Rory McIlroy makes regarding which team he may or may not represent in four years time!?

    Personally, I like to see anyone from this island doing well, whether it’s in sport, business, entertainment (with the exception of Jimmy Cricket!) or whatever. I don’t support them any more or less based on their declaration of nationality.’

    ‘ I don’t know anyone who dislikes him for being Irish: Catholic/Protestant/ Jewish/Hindu/Muslim or anything else.’

    Nor do I. Again, what’s your point?

    ‘So did Darby O’Gill in his time and Jimmy Cricket and Dave Allen in their time.’

    Oh dear…

    Darby Ó’Gill isn’t real. He was created by Disney. I actually like this film, though I cringe at the Oirish Plastic paddywhackery of the whole thing.

    Jimmy Cricket, in my opinion, just isn’t funny, and he had 5 minutes in the spotlight perpetuating the myth, to a British audience, that Irish people are stupid, bumpkin-like idiots.

    Dave Allen was a comedy genius (again, in my opinion), who poked fun at Irish people, English people, Catholics, the church and organised religion in general. No one group was singled out by him, and much of his comedy was observational and way before his time.

    I haven’t tried to deny any of those you mentioned their fame or success (although one is fictitious), but I do think I am entitled to an opinion on all of them.

    The inclusion of the recommendation of the book was merely so you could further educate yourself. That mairin2 is interested in it is a bonus. 🙂

  39. Agi, the single biggest Muslim invasion of these isles was when Barbary Pirates came ashore off the coast of Cork in 1631. The kidnapped 108 people from the small village of Baltimore. Only 3 of them ever saw Ireland again. All 108 were English settlers, and the prime suspect for arranging the kidnapping and subsequent enslavement of the English settlers was Sir Walter Coppinger, who was trying to seize control of the village from Phelim O’Driscoll, the local chief.

    There’s an excellent book written about it, by Des Ekin.

  40. Rory McIlroy is very good at golf. All the rest of us should do is wish him well and get out of his way. It doesn’t matter a curse if the British or the Irish get to bask in his reflected glory. It’s his glory and good luck to him whatever he decides.

  41. Padraigh Harrington, another fine Irish Golfer made a suggestion some time before the Olympics and unfortunately I didn’t hear anyone cite this during the radio, tv and press discussions / articles on Rory’s wish to play for TeamGB. I phoned in Harrigton’s views to a couple of Radio Programmes [one being Nolan] but of course it wasn’t used….not controversial enough to get hackles raised and create controversy, which he [Noland] thrives on.

    Harrigton’s thoughts were this: If still to the forefront of Golf and chosen, then Graham McDowell and Rory McIlroy should play for Team GB. Ireland would then chose two other Golfers, one possibly being himself, if still in form and one other. Therefore the Island of Ireland would have four Golfers at the Olympics. Should GMac and Rory play for Ireland, they would only have two. Sounds like a good idea to me !!! What do you think?

  42. Seimi….I omitted to ask, why you are so off topic…..Plastic Paddies are the real reason why some Irish are take as simpletons…..more Oirish than the Irish, I’d say. Morons many of them !!

  43. Morons many of them !!

    Whoah sweeping statement. Have you met many of them i take it? Do you know what ‘many’ people say of derry folk? wise up son.

  44. Seim,
    We disagree about Jimmy Cricket in his time. I think funny. You not.
    Got it.

    Darby O Gill?
    “Darby Ó’Gill isn’t real. He was created by Disney”
    Not real!
    A creation of Walt Disney you say??

    Meltdown!Meltdown! Meltdown!!!

    Can’t cope (gasp) Can’t Cope
    World dis -in tegr –ating..

    (From relative safety of toilet seat)

    Thank GOD!
    My tongue was firmly in my cheek..
    Might- have bit-ten it off……….
    SCREAMS!!!

    You Dodo, Seimi.
    That was for illustrative purposes only.
    I am simply trying to point out that
    a) We shouldn’t take it all too seriously. A wooden box-or something similar-awaits us all.
    b) The Irish are as talented as anyone else in the British Isles
    c) I’m getting a bit fed up with what I see as the assumption that suffering and discrimination and slavery and unfairness somehow passed the English by.
    We also have suffered. We still do.
    We just don’t go on and on about it and look for someone to blame.

  45. Yes Agi, I know it was tongue in cheek…*sigh*

    ‘You Dodo, Seimi.’

    Charming.

    Anyway, on to your points.

    a) I wasn’t taking it too seriously. Others got a bit – ahem – agitated…
    b) I know 🙂
    c) I don’t know where you got that impression from, Agi. I don’t think I’ve ever said that English people were bypassed in terms of suffering. In fact, in my post at 3.50 pm, I cited an event which must have caused immense suffering to 108 English settlers in Ireland.

    ‘We just don’t go on and on about it and look for someone to blame.’

    Indeed.

  46. ‘…Plastic Paddies are the real reason why some Irish are take as simpletons…..more Oirish than the Irish, I’d say. Morons many of them !!’

    Perpetuating the myth again…

  47. ps
    re English suffering
    I didn’t get it from you
    It was another commentator on the same thread.
    But I thought you wouldn’t mind taking the rap… 🙂

  48. ‘But I thought you wouldn’t mind taking the rap… :)’

    O’ course not, sur. Sure isn’t it what we Irish were put on this earth for? 🙂

  49. // the single biggest Muslim invasion of these isles was when Barbary Pirates came ashore off the coast of Cork //

    I’d say Pete Moore, Agit8ed and Allan could tell you of some others 🙂

  50. The biggest muslim invasion is happening right now – facilitated by those who are friends of neither them nor the natives of these islands.

  51. It was in connection with a mis-spelled tattoo, Aileen. I don’t think accent had anything to do with it…

  52. Seimi

    It was a mis spelt tattoo which changed what it said to how someone with an Irish accent might pronounce it.

    Bit like if someone wrote ” Der Angel” instead of “Dear Angel”, that might put a comment about “he must me German” in ones head.

  53. Ach come on, Aileen! (Catchy title for a song that!)

    Are you seriously suggesting that Irish people pronounce ‘Olympic’ as ‘Oylmpic’? Ive travelled the length and breadth of this country, and can’t think of a single regional or provincial accent that would produce that sound from that spelling!

    Daley Thompson was alluding to the stupidity of the spelling, not the pronunciaion (of someone, apparently, with a terrible speech impediment) of the word.

  54. Seimi

    Yes I am seriously suggesting that what many people consider as an Irish accent is spelt phenetically that way.

    Again I ask why make the assumption you are making? It is a very hard stretch to assume such a gratuitous insult from someone who is not a shock jock. It also makes little sence in terms of word association.

    For many people, myself included, the first thing your brain does after registering what it should say is to say it as written and when I did, I came up with a version of an Irish accent. This is FAR more likely to be what happened in the circumstances and just a lighthearted top of the head groanworthy pun. When I saw the thread on it here, it took me a bit of time to work out what people were getting annoyed about and why the accent should be beyond The Pale.

  55. Aileen, it had nothing whatsoever to do with an ‘accent’ and you’re only deluding yourself by saying it’s anything else.

  56. Seimi

    How do you KNOW that? And you should KNOW it before you accuse him.

    It is, the first thing I thought when reading it, why could it not be the same for Daley?

  57. “And I didn’t and don’t like Jimmy Cricket. Jesus, I regret mentioning him now!”

    That was a good line, Seimi. I’m still chuckling.

  58. ‘How do you KNOW that? And you should KNOW it before you accuse him.’

    Or, you should KNOW that was what he meant, before you rush to defend him.

    The first 3 hits when you Google this – the Telegraph, the Independent and the Belfast Telegraph, ALL say that he made the joke because of the spelling.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9418536/London-2012-Daley-Thompson-accused-of-racism-after-Irish-gag-on-One-Show.html

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/olympics-2012/other-news/daley-thompson-in-race-row-over-antiirish-joke-on-bbc-3179004.html

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/video-anger-over-daley-thompsons-antiirish-tattoo-clanger-on-one-show-16188571.html

    See?

    I haven’t found a link ANYWHERE, where Daley Thompson says that it was the pronunciation he meant. I’d be obliged if you could find one.

    ‘It is, the first thing I thought when reading it, why could it not be the same for Daley?’

    Maybe it was the same. But if it was, he doesn’t seem to have said so. Surely, having been accused of making a racist joke, he would be keen to clarify what he actually meant? The BBC obviously didn’t see it the way you do, as they immediately apologised for it.

  59. I think part of the problem is Daley said this in a public forum as he was preparing to represent the UK as the torch lighter (IIRC). Given that he has a Scottish mother (again IIRC), had he said it in let’s say a pub-like atomosphere, it might have been taken more lightly…more as ‘banter’ between the Scottish and Irish??? Everyone knows the Scottish aren’t racist…hi Allan..;-P Anyway, I’m just rambling here…is that bonkers enough for you, Colm?

  60. I am so glad you all miss me so much… lol

    Reflect on your position, but watch sat!

    miss you too xo 😉 lol

    no surrender,ever.

    UNDERSTAND?

  61. Found my notes from the other night — recommended reading from the last lecture, Seimi…”From Hell To Barbados” by Sean O’Callaghan. Also, from that lecture and now on my list of places to visit: Montserrat in the Caribbean…fascinating history and culture…volcanos be damned!

  62. ‘it is not as bad as the bigoted soaked fenian intolerance in your hood I guess.’

    But I washed my coat only last week. There’s nothing in the hood…

  63. Well, you and your family should join the spectacle and enjoy the fennnnoonnoommeenoom that is NORTHERN IRELAND!

    Enjoy it,

    ULSTER!

  64. Will you be here next Saturday,LU?

    Want to meet up? Myself, Paul McMahon and David V had a great summit recently, and Peter said he was keen on another one soon…

  65. ‘Well, you and your family should join the spectacle and enjoy the fennnnoonnoommeenoom that is NORTHERN IRELAND!
    Enjoy it,
    ULSTER!’

    Is that a yes?

  66. You are welcome.

    It will be a fantastic day.

    ‘WE ARE THE PEOPLE’

    Hope to see you there.

    NO SURRENDER.

    LOL

  67. ‘You are welcome.
    It will be a fantastic day.
    ‘WE ARE THE PEOPLE’
    Hope to see you there.
    NO SURRENDER.
    LOL’

    So – Crown Bar, Saturday 29th? What time? Or would you like to suggest a different venue? Please remember that these summits are usually held in a ‘neutral’ venue.

  68. ‘Semi,
    your ghosts are chasing me…
    go forth’

    Terribly sorry about that, LU. My ghosts do tend to be a bit mischievous…

    ummm…go forth?

  69. By the way – you probably didn’t notice, being busy with ghosts and all – but you seem to have mis-spelt my name again. It’s Seimi, not Semi 🙂

  70. Seen your photo…

    All I thought you would be, lol.

    Kisses. btw; we will never forget ‘jimmy dands’
    lol

  71. Aileen – when he claims he must have been pressured, as if he couldn’t make up his own mind. And that he was expressing shame, which clearly he has never.

  72. Logical Unionist, what are you implying by

    ‘… I suggest you go back to your IRA family/felon club.’

    Also – what are you talking about? In general, I mean?

  73. semi/paul/and almost everyone on here, and the rest of the voters of the mass murder gangs.

    We are moving on.

    Leave behind sinn fein/ira.

    Lets make a future.

  74. ‘awk semi…
    will you ever move on?
    can your community not stop voting for the ira?’

    awk? Are you a parrot tonight, LU?

    Will I ever move on? Oh, I don’t know. I might move in. I like to move it, move it. I’ve been known to move it on up. But move on? Who knows…?

    I’m sorry, but I can’t speak for my community. However, as far as I know, none of them have EVER voted for the IRA, because, as they were not a political party, you couldn’t vote for them.

  75. ‘semi/paul/and almost everyone on here, and the rest of the voters of the mass murder gangs.
    We are moving on.
    Leave behind sinn fein/ira.
    Lets make a future.’

    So you’re moving away then, LU? That’s good. Good luck, wherever you move to.

    ‘btw, I laughed at you two in the photo…’

    Did ye? that’s nice.

  76. ‘EVER’ voted for the IRA?

    LOL

    Wise up.

    Next we will hear adams is /never/involved…etc…

    IT IS PLAIN;

    THE ARMALITE IS REP BY…GUESS WHO?

    The majority of catholics have FACTUALLY voted for THE IRA.

    THE MASS MURDERERS.

    sick.

  77. Anyway, as much as I’d like to sit here and exchange pleasantries with you all night, LU, I must get to bed. I have somewhere to go tomorrow. It’s called ‘Reality’. You should try it some time. Ask your doctor about it.

    Oíche mhaith agus codladh sámh, a chara. 🙂

  78. ‘‘EVER’ voted for the IRA?
    LOL
    Wise up.
    Next we will hear adams is /never/involved…etc…
    IT IS PLAIN;
    THE ARMALITE IS REP BY…GUESS WHO?
    The majority of catholics have FACTUALLY voted for THE IRA.
    THE MASS MURDERERS.
    sick.’

    Is there a problem with your computer? There is barely a single, complete sentence there. Perhaps, when you go to see your own doctor, you should drop the old PC in to see his…

  79. Sweet dreams.

    Unfortunately, you will wake up tortured about being in the United Kingdom, and the thing is;

    You cannot do a thing about it!

    lol

    not even your heroes in the shadows.

    See you on ULSTER DAY.

    NO SURRENDER!

    LOL

  80. ‘Unfortunately, you will wake up tortured about being in the United Kingdom, and the thing is;
    You cannot do a thing about it!’

    Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not tortured at all by that fact. As for doing something about it – 40 years ago, there were no Nationalist parties in any kind of powerful position. Today, a Republican is DFM. Looks like something changed…

    ‘not even your heroes in the shadows.’

    Batman?

    ‘See you on ULSTER DAY.’

    When’s that then?

    ‘NO SURRENDER!
    LOL’

    Bugger this. I’m off to bed. A pleasure as always, LU. Talking to you restores my faith in the NHS that DV is so quick to run down. I think it’s great that people like you are given access to computers and the internet etc. Just be careful of sharp edges.

    See ye! 🙂

  81. Seimi

    No! I absolutely do NOT have to KNOW what he meant before defending him. The onus on knowing has to be on the accuser.

    Those other sources are no more authoritive than anyone else. As to Daley clarifying – Many people get accused of “isms” when making comments about accent. Many people get offended and precious about accents. He will probably just chalk it down to “you just can’t make any joke about the Irish”

    Mahons

    Come on man. That is not much of a turn! I think he was pressurised or at least felt pressurised. How is that turning on him? I think he’s great! David is not putting the shame on him.

  82. … as in the “shame on those…” and something they should be ashamed of as opposed to being ashamed of being British.

  83. Nonsense, Aileen.
    I’ve given you 3 examples (4, if you count the BBC’s apology) of reports, stating that the remark was made about the spelling. You came up with a theory ,based on your own ‘feeling’ that it was due to the pronunciation. You should now provide evidence, hopefully a statement from Thompson himself, that proves your theory right. I tried to find something along those lines last night, but couldn’t. Maybe you will have better luck.
    On the other hand, you could just drop it, cos this is getting tedious.

  84. Seimi,
    Followed the links.
    I never took much notice when this first came out, and still don’t quite see why Daley linked it to the Irish.
    “Oylmpics”?

    Okay, it’s misspelt, but I don’t see the connection with the Irish.

  85. Nonsence yourself Semini

    Your examples mean nothing.

    I don’t need to prove my assertion. I am not making the accusation and the onus for proof is on the accuser. Why would Daley seek to clarify? He then gets into the arena of people saying that there was an accusation of stupidity for spelling . Unless you have evidence of history of these things from Daley, you have no grounds for your accusation.

    Yes defending someone from unproven accusations is tedious. Best drop it.

  86. Ok, Aileen. Ignore all the media about it. I’m sure Thompson is fine with people thinking he made a racist comment rather than a witty one about pronunciation.

  87. DerryUnionist

    Harrigton’s thoughts were this: If still to the forefront of Golf and chosen, then Graham McDowell and Rory McIlroy should play for Team GB. Ireland would then chose two other Golfers, one possibly being himself, if still in form and one other. Therefore the Island of Ireland would have four Golfers at the Olympics. Should GMac and Rory play for Ireland, they would only have two. Sounds like a good idea to me !!! What do you think?

    That’s good thinking from Harrington.

  88. When he commented that he felt more British than Irish (which suits you) he wasn’t “pressurised” but just of his own free will stating the “obvious”. When he said he hadn’t made up his mind on which nation he would play for (which doesn’t suit you) he suddenly becomes someone who is bowing to intense pressure. Am I putting words in your mouth or using the words you wrote?

  89. Seimi

    I think it highly likely that he knows that there are loads of numpties, who consider a joke about Irish accents racism and would presume that implying the tattooist would tattoo pheonetically as another level accusation of racism

    and would prefer to let it die.

    Mahons even if what you say is true, how is that turning on the lad?

  90. Aileen, your theory is just that – a theory. You have produced precisely zero evidence or proof to back it up, insisting that you don’t have to, and expecting me to accept it purely on your word alone.

    I’ll try to explain this simply for you. A story appears on multiple websites, newspapers and news programmes, all saying the exact same thing ie Daley Thompson got in trouble for making an anti-Irish joke, which was deemed ‘racist’. Every single site and newspaper stated thathis comment came after he saw the misspelt word,suggesting therefore that it was a comment aimed at the spelling.

    The BBC, obviously under the same impression, apologised for any offence caused. Daley Thompson, apparently made no statement at the time, or since, to explain why he made the comment.

    Now, what is it? 5 weeks later, you put foward the theory that it wasnt a joke about the misspelling, but was in fact a clever, witty comment on the phonetics of the misspelling, despite the fact that Mr. Thompson himself hasnt even (apparently) given this explanation, and you say that the responsibility isnt on you to prove the new theory that you, and only you, believe, but rather it is up to me to prove what numerous TV, internet and print media have already stated, backed up by an apology from the national TV and radio broadcaster!?

    Can you see where you’re going wrong here?

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