Luton Girls’ choir reformsHome by Mike Cunningham October 5, 2012 33 1 min 9 yrs Tweet Hooke’s Law in action! Click to rate this post![Total: 0 Average: 0] Reality Religion Post navigation Previous postNext post 33 thoughts on “Luton Girls’ choir reforms” Exactly what is Captain al-Hook accused of doing other than being a handy diversion from real crime? They’re cute Check out the pocket books. I do spot a hint of fashion rebellion. The one in the middle… she’s daring to wear BROWN ! “Man made law go to HEll!” On display the inscrutable illogicality of the extremist Muslim mind.. His supporters condemn Western law, whilst Abu uses every trick in the Western law book to avoid extradition… Something cock-eyed somewhere.. Incidentally, how do we know they are females under those black things? Where are the feminists? I guess we all know the answer to that. Socialism has always trumped real women’s rights for them. Here’s an inspiring woman’s story for any real feminists out there, at: http://www.john-moloney.blogspot.com/#!http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-kinda-girl.html Agit – what is the charge and the supporting evidence on which the US wishes to extradite Hamsa? Not that I have opposition to five muslims being kicked out, but the Hamza deal is undoubtedly a political stitch up. One charge relates to US affairs – the apparent planning to set up terrorist training camps in Oregon. Another relates to the taking of American hostages in Yemen in 1998. The charge is that Hamza conspired to aid the kidnapping. The American hostages survived while (IIRC) two British hostages were killed in a typically Third World rescue attempt. Well if the Americans have evidence that Hamza was involved we can have the evidence, stick him inside for 15 years if he’s found guilty and then send him to the US to face their charges. Bottom line: the feds want him badly, along with a few others, and London was happy to go along with it. The American charges against Hamza. Allan, I don’t know exactly.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19855380http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masrihttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/24/abu-hamza-muslim-cleric-can-be-extradited-to-usa_n_1909998.html?1342590173&utm_hp_ref=uk&s_kwcid=TC|18021|%2Babu%20%2Bhamza%20%2Bextradited||S|b|17018626384 I include this one because it is a debate between an Islamic scholar and a leading American atheist. Worth watching Allan. http://www.thebigdebates.com/debates/is-atheism-or-islam-more-rational Sorry, I’ve gone off the point, what was your point? We should have deported Hamza back to his country of origin many years ago. Then the whole business of extradition to the US wouldn;t be our concern. Why we ever allowed him to become a British responsibility I’ll never know. The whole idea of foreign citizens having the ‘right’ to live in the UK regardless of how they behave is something that we ought to put a stop to. He has spent his entire time here, whipping up hostility to the UK while happily living off UK taxpayers and we were mugs enough to allow it. Colm, Agreed. It is the COWARDLINESS of our government(s) which has allowed these extremist groups to grow, and we should have dealt with it here. Are they his harem? If so, why weren’t they sent with him so he can continue to have his “human rights”. Colm – “Why we ever allowed him to become a British responsibility I’ll never know … He has spent his entire time here, whipping up hostility to the UK while happily living off UK taxpayers and we were mugs enough to allow it.” Who’s “we”? I didn’t vote for the one ruling party (doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s one ruling party), I didn’t authorise it, promote it or reward the traitorous rabble who inflicted this regime on British society with vote after vote after vote. I think you mean, “you”, so what are you going to do about it? Agit8ed – “It is the COWARDLINESS of our government(s)..” Oh no no no no no, not mine thank you very much. I do not give consent, I do not recognise the authority of these traitorous bands in a traitorous parliament, none of thse governments are mine, they are yours. You rewarded them with your votes. You even served them with your time and labour. You sanctioned them and promoted them and voted for them anbd laboured for them. YOU caused this, not people like me, so what are you going to do about it? Pete, I think you mean, “you”, so what are you going to do about it?” That’s a cop out. You are content to enjoy all the comforts and benefits and protection that comes from us taxpayers, yet you continue to pretend that all these things are as a result of our inactivity. Yet if you were true to yourself and your philosophy, you would leave this society. Agit8ed – “Yet if you were true to yourself and your philosophy, you would leave this society.” There they go again, confusing state with society. No wonder we’re in such a hole. Agit8ed, I am a part of civil society which I want to again flourish through peace and trade and voluntary cooperation instead of having everything we do, down to how much water we must have in toilet bowls regulated by the central state. Back to the point: you sanctioned these traitors and what they do in election after election. So what are you going to do about it? No ducking, no diving, how will you make amends for enabling traitors to inflict this wicked immigration regime on British civil society? “I am a part of civil society which I want to again flourish through peace and trade and voluntary cooperation instead of having everything we do, down to how much water we must have in toilet bowls regulated by the central state.” So Pete, Who makes decisions and based on what? How do you establish a decision making body without a set of values? Secondly, How do you ensure that the decisions are carried out and applied fairly? It seems to me you are moving closer to McTatters in your attempts to justify your position. Answer the question. This guy Hamza and the rest of the muslims shouldn’t be here because the British people did not agree anywhere to mass immigration yet, before one can say Barbara Lerner Spectre, there are now millions of them here. That they shouldn’t be here is a given, but somebody wanted them here. Now that hamza is here, exactly what is he accused of doing other than theatrical and blood-curdling demands etc? He’s pure theatre, a distraction. Oh – this is why I mentioned Barbar Lerner Spectre. It’s very difficult to find what she said nowadays because certain groups are removing her damning words from the internet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36m9qzqEPbI&feature=related Pete, 1) I am not the guy refusing to pay his tv licence. 2) I left the Conservative party two years ago when after six years as a Tory town councillorI realised that I -in fact all of us in our local branch were being used by Central headquarters. (also true of Labour and LibDem) The object of the game is to get into power: full stop. 3) I email my MP about various issues, but frankly the MP also has to in the main, tow the party line. 4) I shall be voting for another party. Now give us a rational explanation of why you continue living in our current society, yet reject how it runs, and have yet to explain how YOUR version of society could work. Agit8ed – 1) More fool you then. 2) So you served the Tories when they were shafting everyone else, but only became fed up when they started shafting you. 3) So tell him you’ll change the habit of a lifetime and vote for a patriot instead. “Now give us a rational explanation of why you continue living in our current society, yet reject how it runs” Your society is my society. We differ in that I see the state at war with civil society and reject statism as a solution to anything. Look, you and I view the world and the state within it differently. We have different philosophies. Yours (that we elect and submit to government overlords who control and run our lives) is that promoted and sustained by the statist propaganda you have been surrounded by from birth. I wholly reject that idea. To quote a great man: “The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else”. At the risk of having yet another link ignored, this short piece clearly articulates libertarian class analysis and where it comes from. If you decide to give it a miss then don’t ask me to explain something in the first place, but this passage sums up precisely the violent relationship between the state and society and the propaganda which sustains it: The government’s coercive taxing power necessarily creates two classes: those who create and those who consume the wealth expropriated and transferred by that power. Those who create the wealth naturally want to keep it and devote it to their own purposes. Those who wish to expropriate it look for ever more-clever ways to acquire it without inciting resistance. One of those ways is the spreading of an elaborate ideology of statism, which teaches that the people are the state and that therefore they are only paying themselves when they pay taxes. The state’s officers and the court intellectuals at universities and the news media go to great lengths to have people believe this fantastic story, including the setting up of schools. Alas, most people come to believe it. Pete Why do you fund the state that you loath so much ? Colm – I don’t willingly “fund” the state. It robs me with violence and if I refuse to stump up it’s heavies will sort me out. Thoreau resisted and so can you I might be a resistor, in ways. But yes, Henry David Thoreau, for his one essay alone (“Civil Disobedience”) is a truly great American. ” ) More fool you then. 2) ) More fool you then. 2) So you served the Tories when they were shafting everyone else, but only became fed up when they started shafting you. Apply your first point to a hypothetical situation which in the recent past was faced by many conscientious objectors. Should I maintain my personal position that war is wrong, and watch as others fight for freedom; or accept that as I keep on quoting, John Donne’s “No man is an island.” Whatever stuff you use to try and justify yourself, it’s always going to be undermined by your rather cheap and tacky blow for freedom: ie not paying your tv licence. Second point, I served the community as a Conservative. Not the party so much, but the ward I lived in. “) More fool you then. “So you served the Tories when they were shafting everyone else, but only became fed up when they started shafting you.” I believed in the principles of Conservatism. I still do. I was disillusioned by the lust for power, not by being shafted by them. You Pete Moore, were already engaged in shafting people by not paying your tv licence, and enjoying the social advantages secured by us law abiding tax payers.. 🙂 Agit8ed – You didn’t serve any community. There is not one comprehensible reason – not a single one – for a Christian to join a mainstream political faction in this country. You joined a fascist, corporatist, warmongering dedicated to wielding coercive power over men and you served its statist ends. You can serve your community by simply being a good friend and neighbour, by helping others, by going into business and supplying society with what people want. That’s real public service. May God forgive you your theft if you took any payment as a councillor. ” You didn’t serve any community. There is not one comprehensible reason – not a single one – for a Christian to join a mainstream political faction in this country. ” Rubbish Pete. Absolute rubbish. Oh yeah, “You can serve your community by simply being a good friend and neighbour, by helping others, by going into business and supplying society with what people want. That’s real public service.” I served on an the committee of an organisation helping the elderly and frail. I served on our Youth Working party, helping kids in the community I served with a residents and tenants association. I worked with ******************* in Bloom helping to beautify our town. I worked with an organisation promoting tourism for our town. I organised cleanups on estates and in the countryside. I helped people who were having problems with neighbours or the council. I ended up being busier than when I was working for a living. All terribly arrogant and pompous of me, I know. It’s called faith in action Pete. Agit8ed – You and I view civil society and the state from opposite directions. In fact the more you comment, the more convinced I am you cannot even begin to understand where I’m coming from. I’m not having a dig, I sincerely think that. Now you’ve been chasing me about views for a couple of weeks, and I posted something at 2.25pm, but you ignored it. Pete, I didn’t ignore it. I couldn’t understand it. A valid idea that’s good for the masses should be understandable by the masses. Just like Christianity caters for all degrees of intelligence. Pete Moore Great link at 2.25. But you should pay your BBC licence fee instead of freeloading on the rest of us. So many nuns…… Comments are closed.