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Lovely little bit of empty headed and morally bankrupt posturing here…

Alliance Party MLA Anna Lo says that she is disgusted by the distribution of National Front leaflets in her constituency in south Belfast. Two men have been arrested by police for the distribution of written material with the intent to incite hatred in the Tates Avenue area. Ms Lo said: “I am sickened that National Front leaflets were being distributed in Northern Ireland. Nobody wants the hatred of the National Front here. We have done so much work on moving Northern Ireland forward and away from hate crimes.”

Spare me your pieties, Ms Lo. How many people have the NF murdered in Northern Ireland? How many lives ruined, families plunged into grief by bombings and assassinations care of the NF? Then, how MANY did the IRA kill and maim – in south Belfast alone? How many people in south Belfast vote for THAT organisation? Are you not disgusted with THAT?  I have no time for fascists of any hue, be they NF or IRA/Sinn Fein!

This NF hysteria is rather pathetic and shows the massive moral malaise brought to us by the toxic “peace process” It also shows how POLICING here is now a politically controlled weapon of the peace processors as they go after the thick National Front but ignore the IRA.

 

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130 thoughts on “IRA/SINN FEIN OR THE NATIONAL FRONT – WHICH IS WORSE?

  1. The IRA was and remains illegal under British and Irish law. You can be locked up just for being a member. So how is the National Front treated more severely?

  2. Then, how MANY did the IRA kill and maim – in south Belfast alone? How many people in south Belfast vote for THAT organisation?

    None, the IRA don’t stand for election or anywhere else.

    This NF hysteria is rather pathetic and shows the massive moral malaise brought to us by the toxic “peace process”

    Ah, so the peace process explains the Rock Aginst Racism, the Anti Nazi League and all the other anti NF groups in Britain in the 70’s / 80’s?

  3. Fact no matter how much you want to lie to yourself the IRA and SF are one in the same, if you deny that your either a fool or an useful idiot.

    NI has allowed itself to be the shining example that killing innocent people in acts of terror is a legitimate tactic to be used as a election campaign tool.

    Every person that votes for a member of SF explicitly gives permission and thanks for every drop of blood shed by the IRA.

    You have condoned murder, and are stained by the blood of every person the IRA have killed.

  4. So how is the National Front treated more severely?

    As we see, the state will arrest you for distributing its leaflets. If they’d had IRA/Sinn Fein material, probably not so.

  5. Ah! – ‘free speech’ – but only if I agree with you.

    Certainly not the most pleasant piece of advertising, but at least it wasn’t painted on any convenient public wall, to later be preserved as ‘art’.

  6. David,

    In your rush to condemn the NI peace process yet again, you probably overlooked Anna Lo’s position and background.

    She’s Chinese and an immigrant. As such she’s a potential target of National Front venom. You’d feel the same in her place.

  7. The troll

    Fact no matter how much you want to lie to yourself the IRA and SF are one in the same, if you deny that your either a fool or an useful idiot.

    Take it up with the British. they have banned the IRA and not Sinn Fein. That’s quite a major legal distinction.

  8. I disagree that the ‘future of white children’ is in danger and think the message is therefore false Pete Moore.

  9. no you should really realize the truth the IRA/SF is one creature with two faces if you support one you support the other.

    What you should do is grow a set of balls and admit that you accept the blood that has been spilt to gain those political seats.

    or that you are a useful fool.

    Those are the only two choices. Everything else is rationalization and bullshit.

  10. Troll – Utterly untrue, SF didn’t get the support it currently enjoys until the IRA entered into the Peace Process. Stick the misunderstanding the USA.

  11. The facts are what they are the IRA/SF killed people to gain political power, and they won, and those that support them support how they gained that power. You can not separate the two.

  12. David, why can’t you just condemn this for what it is – racist hatred from a group of knuckle-dragging white supremacist neanderthals – instead of trying to compare and contrast with Sinn Féin OR the IRA?

    I’ll ask this again, as you didn’t see, or didn’t answer the question before. Have you rejoined the TUV? Your title on the Politics Show on Sunday was – David Vance, Traditional Unionist Voice.

    This thread seems to be another (poor) attempt to drag Sinn Féin OR the IRA into anything and everything, much as your friend/party leader, Jim Allister does…

  13. When Anjem Choudary and his crowd are spreading their brand of hate the free speech fans around these parts go all quiet.

  14. Mahons bullshit!

    For one thing it was not a peace process it is and was terms of surrender. When you don’t execute and lock up the enemy and instead give them a seat at the table, you have lost.

    NI accepted the execution of people as a legitimate political tactic. It is not a peace process to surrender seats of power to end bombings and assasinations it is a term of surrender.

    Your lack of this simple understanding is also reflected in your acceptance of the duplicity on this side of the pond.

    You truly are a useful idiot, and you support and condone that idiocy on both sides of the pond.

  15. No the fact that NI is still NI and not a united Ireland is part of the negotiated surrender.

    It is also tenuous. the giving of official status to those that have committed and plotted murder has set a precedent that will taint NI for centuries.

    Each faction will eventually use the methods that the people have accepted and give their blessing to with each vote for a SF member.

    The people of NI have traded a lessening of murder for political power

  16. Troll,

    “When you don’t execute and lock up the enemy and instead give them a seat at the table, you have lost.”

    That may be how you arms dealers think and behave but civilzed folk are otherwise.

    BTW what’s the point in locking up corpses?

  17. yes we the uncivilized radicals in the US.

    Dick you can witness how civilized people act very simply. In 2010 the largest shift in political power took place internally in the US more political seats changed hands than any other election in history. and amazing wasn’t it not one bomb was planted on a school bus, not one pub was blown up.

    The second half of a major political change will happen three weeks from today and again no one will be killed. and this is in a nation where the majority of people own guns. NI is the Lebanon of the western world.

    You have given terrorists legitimate seats at the table, and are a laughing stock.

  18. It never ceases to amaze me that those who have never killed anyone are castigated, yet the murderers within Sinn Fein that have the blood of thousands on their hands are given credibility. When I hear Sinn Fein / IRA members and their terrorist supporters saying that they have a mandate, I’m reminded that Hitler also had one. Sinn Fein / IRA are just a minor version of the Nazis and of course both come from the same religious background.

  19. Sinn Fein / IRA are just a minor version of the Nazis and of course both come from the same religious background.

    And there it is. Does anyone really wonder why the NI state failed as it was. Can you imagine growing up as a Catholic in a state where contempt for your religion was the entire basis of the state. Where to this day in spite of everything the Orange bands want to play sectarian hate songs when they pass a Catholic Church.

    The Troll

    In 2010 the largest shift in political power took place internally in the US more political seats changed hands than any other election in history.

    That happened in Ireland in 1918. Sinn Fein won the vast majority of seats and votes with a mandate for an independent Irish republic. How would you deal with a secession attempt in the US? Oh that’s right you had one. How was that resolved?

  20. Ooh is it a quiz? I love a quiz.

    Well Jimmy my vote is the scumwads who carry weapons murder / maim and terrorise the innocent are far FAR worse (by many orders of magnitude), than people who may or may not make a bit of noise occasionally. But that whom are a legitimate political party, rather than an illegitimate collection of illegitimates.

    Do I win the prize Jim?

  21. yeah Henry and unlike you pack of little Irish Faggots we declared war on each other, we killed more people in our nation than died in both world wars 35,000 died in a two day battle not too many miles from where I sit.

    and after we finished, and the south lost we got back to business. Southern terrorists didn’t plant bombs like little pussies on buses or in pubs for the next 100 years. Like you lot.

    And those that continued to carry “the cause” were hunted down like animals and Jailed or killed.

    The IRA/SF and those that support them are a pack of murdering pussies, and the only thing worse than them are the assholes that made peace with them instead of hunting them down to the last one.

    Sorry if I offend anyone. That is the difference between your culture and ours.

  22. Dog,

    “Do I win a prize Jim?”

    How can I break this gently? Jimmy Savile is dead and you’re on the wrong thread.

    Trool,

    You’re confusing me with another. I’ve never voted in Northern Ireland.

  23. then my sincere apologies Richard, but if that is the case according to this lot you should not be allowed to comment on it, because your not one of them…..

  24. Troll

    Sorry if I offend anyone. That is the difference between your culture and ours.

    Don’t worry. I think people would need to take you seriously in order to be offended so you are safe enough.

  25. Oh Richard you spoilsport. You really do know that the SF/IRA illegitimi are many MANY times worse than Sir Jimmy or the NF don’t you. Surely your moral compass isn’t that far out of wack is it?
    Hows about that then?

  26. Henry

    people never take people like me seriously…. that is until the wolves are at the door, then you want to know how WE are going to save YOU.

  27. Richard

    Why presume that being targeted by NF would mean he losses his marbles re the evil of SF/IRA?

    David

    It is indeed sickening. I have a similar view to AL on NF but her happy tolerance of SF is telling.

    On a similar topic. It was disgusting to see the Chief Constable speaking at the PUP conference. Shall we hope to see him speaking at an NF conference or perhaps the BNP?

  28. There is a basic rule that tends to be followed in the US. Violence in the name politics is only allowed to be used outside the borders of our country. If you use violence inside the borders in the name of politics all sides turn on you and you bring forth eradication of yourself or your cause.

    All other internal violence is a criminal matter and handled by the local authority.

    Any political group that has a military faction is automatically targeted, monitored, defused, dismantled, and if deemed a threat violently sanctioned.

  29. Herewith lies the problem.

    When there are still many who refuse to accept that Sinn Fein and the IRA are the same organisation.
    They delude themselves by actually believing that when they trot down to the ballot box and place their vote for SF that they are not actually supporting the IRA.

    News flash guys. You’re fooling no one.
    A vote for SF IS a vote for the IRA.

  30. Southern terrorists didn’t plant bombs like little pussies on buses or in pubs for the next 100 years. Like you lot

    Troll, I’ve heard you use that line quite a few times. Can you list the amount of times that the IRA bombed pubs and busses. I can think of only three horrific incidents.

    people never take people like me seriously….

    There’s a reason for that.

    . . . that is until the wolves are at the door, then you want to know how WE are going to save YOU

    Which we’re still waiting to happen.

    Sinn Fein / IRA are just a minor version of the Nazis and of course both come from the same religious background

    That is so hyberbolically incorrect that it stands alone in it’s rediculousness and nothing neeeds to be added.

    When there are still many who refuse to accept that Sinn Fein and the IRA are the same organisation

    That’s because they’re not JM. There is overlapping membership in some cases, (as would be the case for example with loyalist paramilitaries being members of the Orange Order & UDR), but this overlapping membership, IMO, would be the exception as opposed to the rule.

  31. Wow this has stirred up emotions!

    I have never taken any notice of the NF anywhere. However unpleasant they may be, DV is justified in saying that many people in Northern ireland actually vote for the party representing mass indiscriminate murder of innocent people, IRA/Sin(n) Fein.

    So it is laughable to condemn anyone else.

  32. Popeye

    I don’t understand your position. Are you saying Alliance Party MLA Anna Lo can’t condemn the NF because other people vote for Sinn Fein who are a completely different party to the one she is a member of.

    JM

    Herewith lies the problem.
    When there are still many who refuse to accept that Sinn Fein and the IRA are the same organisation.

    They are clearly and obviously not the same organisation. For one thing the IRA no longer exists and Sinn Fein very much does.

    News flash guys. You’re fooling no one. A vote for SF IS a vote for the IRA.

    When Sinn Fein voters want you to speak for us then we will vote for you. Meanwhile you speak for yourself.

  33. Henry, it’s very easy to understand the position

    Anna Lo “I’m disgusted by the distribution of National Front leaflets in my constituency in south Belfast”

    David Vance “Yes, but what about . . . “

  34. They are clearly and obviously not the same organisation.

    Of course they are.

    For one thing the IRA no longer exists and Sinn Fein very much does.

    The provos disbanded? When did that happen?

  35. No they’re not, Paul McMahon.

    Like a kitchen and a living room are different, but you know.

  36. Pete

    The provos disbanded? When did that happen?

    2005

    All IRA units have been ordered to dump arms.

    All Volunteers have been instructed to assist the development of purely political and democratic programmes through exclusively peaceful means.

    Volunteers must not engage in any other activities whatsoever.

    Statement read on behalf of the leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann (that’s the IRA to you)

    There has been no IRA activity since then. Nobody has joined the IRA since then because there is nothing to join. They don’t exist. Gerry Adams has stated publicly and recently that they don’t exist.

  37. Don’t worry, Kateyo. I’m sure David will be posting on it soon…

    Probably along the lines of –

    The UK are accused of supplying arms for Loyalist killings, but what about them SF/IRA ones, eh?

    Re the ‘a vote for SF is a vote for the IRA’ rubbish – I know many people who would vote for the former who have no time, support or love for the latter.

    Yes, there’s an overlap in membership, but as Paul pointed out, that’s no different from the overlap in UDA/UVF/RHC etc and DUP, UDR, RUC, OO etc etc etc…

    I really can’t see how most people here aren’t questioning why a story about racist NF leaflets being distributed in south Belfast has been twisted into a comparison with Sinn Féin OR the IRA. The Whataboutery is staggering…

  38. Henry94 –

    2005? So all this –

    In late 2008, the The Sunday Times quoted a senior Garda intelligence officer as saying that “the IRA had recruited in recent years, still held arms despite apparently decommissioning the lot, and was being maintained in ‘shadow form.'” The Gardaí also said that the IRA was still capable of carrying out attacks.

    A senior member of the PSNI, Assistant Chief Constable Peter Sheridan, said that it was unlikely that the IRA would disband in the foreseeable future.[157]

    At the end of March 2010, SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley said that the IRA were still active and that they had been responsible for a number of incidents in his constituency including a punishment shooting and an armed robbery during which a shot was fired.

    In August 2010, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, the Republican Network for Unity and the UPRG, claimed that the IRA were responsible for a shooting incident in the Gobnascale area of Derry. It is claimed that up to 20 masked men, some armed with handguns, attacked a group of teenagers who were engaging in anti-social behaviour at an interface area. A number of the teenagers were attacked and shots were fired into the air. The men are then reported to have removed their masks when the PSNI arrived and were subsequently identified as members of the Republican Movement.

    – is bullshit? And of that last incident –

    Sinn Féin denied the IRA were involved.

    How would IRA/Sinn Fein know that?

  39. Nowhere else to post this, apologies.

    Great results tonight for both Irish teams.

    Faroe Islands 1, ROI 4. No real surprise here. Faroe Islands, ranked 158th in the world, were never going to be that difficult to beat.

    But the surprise result has to be Portugal 1, Northern Ireland 1, all the more surprising because NI led for much of the game. Portugal were poor, but Norn Iron punched so far above their weight, they needed stepladders! Fair play to them. Christiano Ronaldo’s 100th international cap wasn’t celebrated with a hammering, as most people expected. Instead, Portugal had to fight against a well organised, tough NI team, who deserved a win, were unfortunate with a draw, and would have been robbed with a loss.

  40. Henry
    I would never suggest that the Alliance Party MLA Anna Lo should not criticise the NF, but the implication is that they are beyond the pale and they should not be allowed to speak. The point I think David is making is that Anna Lo is presumably content to work with those in government who are implicated in brutal and savage torture and murder on a large scale, implying that they are not beyond the pale.

    The ascent to government of the savages (not restricted to the IRA/Sinn Fein) in Northern Ireland is disheartening.

    Seimi
    I think the comparison David makes is justified. The prevailing view seems to be that an organisation which promotes views the majority are uncomfortable with is intolerable whilst those who have tortured and murdered on a massive scale for personal gain are ok. The Whataboutery is not very staggering. What is staggering is that savagery has been rewarded handsomely.

  41. Pete

    Those in political opposition to SF have tried to get mileage from time to time by claiming IRA activity. You hear a lot less of it these days and it was always to use your term, bullshit.

    I have a bit more sympathy, you may be surprised to hear, for security sources who have to be ultra-careful about everything in public. But privately they are telling their political allies the real story. Where else would Jeffery Donaldson get it?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/dups-jeffrey-donaldson-i-accept-the-ira-has-stood-down-16143522.html

    Sinn Fein would know the IRA didn’t do something because Sinn Fein know the IRA is no more.

  42. Popeye

    If the National Front stood for election in the north and won enough seats they would be as entitled to sit in the executive as anybody else and everybody would have to work with them. Everybody is entitled to an opinion as to who is distasteful but the voters decide who gets in and who does not.

  43. Henry94 –

    There is a difference between “stood down” and “disbanded”.

    You say the P-IRA disbanded in 2005. It could plausibly be said that it has stood down (ignoring some unofficial neighbourhood enforcement), but I see no evidence it has disbanded.

  44. aileen: It is indeed sickening. I have a similar view to AL on NF but her happy tolerance of SF is telling.

    I think Anna Lo respects democratic mandates.

  45. The Faroe Islands has half the population of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.

    I want us to be in the World Cup the next time.

  46. Popeye, David’s friend and ex(?) party leader, Jim Allister, is more than happy to sit in the same Assembly as members of Sinn Féin, drawing the same salary from the same source. He may spend his time arguing against Irish language initiatives and so on, but make no mistake – if there’s a trough at Stormont, Allister shares it with SF.

    David, for all his bluster about Anna Lo, also tried to get elected to that same Assembly, so I tend to find it a bit hypocritical when he argues against SF being there – unless of course he harks for the ‘good old days’, when you wouldn’t have a Catholic/Nationalist/Republican about the place…

    As for you’re assertion that David’s comparison is justified, I really can’t see how. Perhaps you didn’t read the original story. An elected representative stated that she was ‘disgusted by the distribution of National Front leaflets in her constituency in south Belfast.’ That is the story. Another poster provided a link to one of the leaflets. Nowhere, in the original news story, or in the leaflets, are Sinn Féin or the IRA even mentioned. So how is David ‘justified’ in making the comparison? Sinn Féin, whether you, or David, or anyone else likes it, are a legitimate political party, with a mandate and growing support. The National Front, in NI, is not. SF weren’t linked to this story in any way, until David switched on his computer this morning.

    Why not just report on the statement, Support her in her disgust, and condemn the NF for distributing such racist bile. That is if you feel that way…

  47. So Seimi your saying that David instead of carrying his fight into the halls of political power what?

    Maybe he should plant a bomb in a pub frequented by IRA/SF supporters?

    You carry the fight in the political arena with words and ideas. Politicians working in the proper manner are a necessary evil. One holds office or runs for office to do the right thing.

    SF is the IRA they are responsible for the murder of their fellow citizens for political gain. They and anyone that supports them condones murder of their fellow citizen for political gain.

    Your hands are stained with blood….

  48. Pete

    You say the P-IRA disbanded in 2005. It could plausibly be said that it has stood down (ignoring some unofficial neighbourhood enforcement), but I see no evidence it has disbanded.

    That statement in 2005 was the final statement made by the IRA. There will never be another. It would be a political nightmare for Sinn Fein if the IRA had any kind of an afterlife and they have put too much into their political strategy to state that the IRA doesn’t exist only to be proven wrong.

    I don’t see how anyone could believe that the IRA and Sinn Fein were one and the same and think it would make any sense for the IRA to remain in any shape or form. It could only ever be a problem and it would have no role. If you were in Gerry Adams’ shoes would you want it around?

  49. ‘So Seimi your saying that David instead of carrying his fight into the halls of political power what?
    Maybe he should plant a bomb in a pub frequented by IRA/SF supporters?’

    What!? How did you get that from what I wrote!? It’s ridiculous and insulting!

    I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who constantly complains about the system of government here, and the people elected to it, who also tried to get elected to it. Are you really that dense that you can’t understand that?

    ‘You carry the fight in the political arena with words and ideas. Politicians working in the proper manner are a necessary evil. One holds office or runs for office to do the right thing.’

    Sinn Féin were elected in democratic elections. They won their seats, and therefore their right and their duty to represent their constituents, democratically. It is people like you, David, and others here, who reject that right. So, democracy is fine, as long as you win, right?

    ‘SF is the IRA they are responsible for the murder of their fellow citizens for political gain. They and anyone that supports them condones murder of their fellow citizen for political gain.’

    That is one opinion. Another is that Sinn Féin represented working class Catholics, Nationalists and Republicans at a time when no-one else, the SDLP included, didn’t or wouldn’t. SF are a political party. The IRA were a guerrilla army. Were being the operative word, as they aren’t operative anymore. The two, whilst connected, were not the same organisation.

    ‘Your hands are stained with blood….’

    How dare you! Troll, I have never advocated violence on this site. I have condemned the IRA’s actions on a number of occasions here. I don’t believe in the killing or murdering of innocents as a means to achieving your goal. I leave that type of thing to the likes of you. It’s not my hands that are stained with blood.

    I support the drive for a united Ireland. I am an out-and-out Nationalist in that respect. There is nothing wrong with that position, despite what Unionists might say. In fact, it’s a much more patriotic stance than traditional Unionism. I’ll try and explain that in words even you might understand.

    Let’s say Canada, suddenly, decide to claim Montana as Canadian territory. They change the currency, the legislative system, the Healthcare system, the education system etc. They tell the people of Montana that they are now Canadians. Now – most of the population of Montana are ok with this, because being Canadian gives them a bit more power over their fellow Montanians, so they go along with it, forming a local government which gives them all the power. Most of the rest of their fellow Montana residents, however, aren’t happy, but, because they are the minority, and have no political power, they have to make a choice. So what do they do? Well, some begin to organise politically, and others decide to assemble an army of volunteers. Tell me – who is right? The majority, who are happy to forfeit their American heritage, or the minority, who wish to retain it and repulse the invading nation? Who are the patriots?

    Your half-assed dribblings regarding circumstances here are really irritating. You advocate violence against entire nations in some kind of dick-waving, macho bullshit ‘Get your retaliation in first’ kind of crap, yet have the nerve to pontificate to others about how they should think and deal with their own situation, and then go out and sell guns to people! You arrogant imbecilic moron. Please take as many meds as are needed to settle yourself down, and go lie down.

  50. Seimi

    Take a pill….

    SF is the IRA it is not opinion, it is fact. The IRA/SF won it’s place on the political ticket by killing innocent people.

    The fact that people voted for murderers does not give them legitimacy.

    I advocate violence against Terrorists, the IRA/SF are TERRORISTS.

    If’s and should’s don’t mean shit.

    Did you ever vote for SF?

    If you answer yes than you have blood on your hands of your fellow citizens.

  51. @Petr

    Thanks for clearing that up.
    Perhaps you should inform FIFA of your unilateral decision to change the name of a country.
    Thanks also for your clear display of what to look forward to in the wonder vision of a ‘shared’ future.
    Where some are so bitter and twisted with hatred that they can’t even bring themselves to recognise simply geography.
    If it wasn’t so pathetic it might actually be funny.

  52. Troll, you advocate violence against entire nations.

    Sinn Féin are not the IRA.

    The IRA are not Sinn Féin.

    One was the political wing of the other. That is not the same as saying they are the same thing. The US Army is not the US government. BUT – when the US Army bombs civilians, which it seems to do with almost careless abandon, the US government gets the blame. This is probably one of the many places where you get confused, but I’m sure it’s not the first, nor will it be the last.

    Who I vote for is my business, Troll, but I have no blood on my hands.

    You, on the other hand, sell guns to people. You either already have blood on your hands, or don’t care if you ever do.

    ‘Take a pill.’

    Sometimes I think I should, to try and understand some of your ramblings, but usually I just need one afterwards, just to take the headache away.

  53. ‘… they can’t even bring themselves to recognise simply geography.’

    Or indeed simple grammar and spelling… 😉

  54. I know 🙂
    I’ve just spotted one of my Polish neighbours.
    The temptation to say ‘Hey, it’s raining, why not put up your umbrella’ or ‘I’m just off to organise a pis* up in a brewry’ was almost unbearable

  55. Yeah but for a game to be postponed because of rain in a stadium with a roof? You couldn’t make it up!
    Why they didn’t just close the roof when it started to rain is a mystery?
    Common sense went missing in Polska tonight.

  56. The IRA and Sinn Fein are two sides of the same coin. If you support the one you where the blood of the other.

    DeNile is NOT a river in Egypt it is the mindset of all who think the two are separate.

  57. spot the spelling misuse of the word and I’ll send you a towel for your bloody hands…lol

  58. Popeye

    Of course that is the point David was making. It was similar to the ho ha when BNP were elected to councils in London. The outrage (which I shared) was expressed as if this was the only case of thugs being elected.

  59. //‘future of white children’ //

    Let’s face it: the only people in decline in Northern Ireland are orange.

  60. ‘I wonder how respecting of mandates Ms Lo would be if NF got elected!’

    I should imagine that she would respect that mandate, should the situation arise. She already respects the mandates of the other parties. She may not agree with the policies of those parties, but, as a democrat, she will, I’m sure, work with and against those parties, depending on the situation.

    Do you imagine that she might not respect it?

  61. I spoke yesterday to some idiot in the Alliance Party press office. Firstly I spoke to one of their female staff and she didn’t have a clue about Anna Lo’s statement, hence the transfer to another waster.

    It belies credability that so-called democrats find offence with two people distributing leaflets, yet are happy to sit in Government with unreformed terrorists, who are endeavouring to destroy Northern Ireland from within, something they failed to do with bomb and bullet.

  62. The fact that people voted for murderers does not give them legitimacy.
    I advocate violence against Terrorists, the IRA/SF are TERRORISTS.

    Except if the the terrorists happen to be Jews. Remind us again of your support for the Jewish terrorists who founded the state of Israel through terrorist murder. Troll you are nothing but a barely literate moron you knows F all about everything in fact you are a living caricature of a dumb ass red neck.

  63. Surely it is a demographic fact that white populations are declining in all countries where whites are currently predominant? Indeed for the US and each country in western Europe, demographers are discussing not if the white population becomes a minority but when.

  64. I could argue the toss with you Pete Moore but what would the point be?

    If you really think that someone like Mary Lou McDonald belongs to the same organaisation as Slab Murphy did then there’s really not a lot than can be argued against.

    Troll. Not only are you deranged but you are ignorantly deranged.

  65. Here is how the left conducts its campaigns and DV´s lead article above is an example:

    http://www.capitalresearch.org/2012/09/southern-poverty-law-center-wellspring-of-manufactured-hate/

    – Radical leftists are extremely adept at the use of language and propaganda. They have to be. An ideology that has brought more hardship, misery, and death over the last century than all the wars of history combined always needs image makeovers. The Soviet Union’s first leader, Vladimir Lenin, explained,

    “We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”

    The entire leftist movement has adopted this technique. Thus, any person who opposes illegal immigration becomes a “xenophobe.” Any person who cites the devastating adverse impacts of “anti-poverty” programs is “selfish” or worse. Any person who opposes affirmative action is a “racist.” Anyone who opposes ever-increasing taxes must be “greedy.”

    Straw man arguments, misinformation, and other forms of sophistry, coupled with vitriolic smears of opponents can easily intimidate average citizens, who haven’t the time or inclination to look deeper and are naturally anxious about being tarred with the same brush. With sufficient media promotion, this fraudulent narrative becomes accepted as the “truth,” even chic. Most people want to be seen as siding with the “good guys.” –

    However, for any ordinary person who looks like putting up some resistance, this is what is in store for him/her:

    Critics are isolated and polarized, and despite the Left’s phony characterization of a deep-pocketed Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, the Left’s critics are usually independent voices of little or no means, not necessarily even conservative, with scant resources to defend themselves against defamation campaigns and frivolous lawsuits, which are favored tactics of the well-heeled SPLC and other leftist groups. Far-left agitator Neal Rauhauser even admitted as much when he advocated for a policy of “lawfare” against political opponents:

    We’re dealing with people who have likely had no interaction with the court system beyond a traffic ticket; the potential for a pro se litigant to force them into expensive, long distance, lengthy, discovery laden litigation doesn’t seem to cross their minds. The reality of travel, or frightful expenses, or summary judgments needs to be made real. We probably need to make a very visible example of at least one of them before the rest understand. (See http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/jun/28/who-neal-rauhauser/.)

  66. Here is how the left conducts its campaigns and DV´s lead article above is an example:

    http://www.capitalresearch.org/2012/09/southern-poverty-law-center-wellspring-of-manufactured-hate/

    – Radical leftists are extremely adept at the use of language and propaganda. They have to be. An ideology that has brought more hardship, misery, and death over the last century than all the wars of history combined always needs image makeovers. The Soviet Union’s first leader, Vladimir Lenin, explained,

    “We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”

    The entire leftist movement has adopted this technique. Thus, any person who opposes illegal immigration becomes a “xenophobe.” Any person who cites the devastating adverse impacts of “anti-poverty” programs is “selfish” or worse. Any person who opposes affirmative action is a “racist.” Anyone who opposes ever-increasing taxes must be “greedy.”

    Straw man arguments, misinformation, and other forms of sophistry, coupled with vitriolic smears of opponents can easily intimidate average citizens, who haven’t the time or inclination to look deeper and are naturally anxious about being tarred with the same brush. With sufficient media promotion, this fraudulent narrative becomes accepted as the “truth,” even chic. Most people want to be seen as siding with the “good guys.” –

    However, for any ordinary person who looks like putting up some resistance, this is what is in store for him/her:

    Critics are isolated and polarized, and despite the Left’s phony characterization of a deep-pocketed Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, the Left’s critics are usually independent voices of little or no means, not necessarily even conservative, with scant resources to defend themselves against defamation campaigns and frivolous lawsuits, which are favored tactics of the well-heeled SPLC and other leftist groups. Far-left agitator Neal Rauhauser even admitted as much when he advocated for a policy of “lawfare” against political opponents:

    We’re dealing with people who have likely had no interaction with the court system beyond a traffic ticket; the potential for a pro se litigant to force them into expensive, long distance, lengthy, discovery laden litigation doesn’t seem to cross their minds. The reality of travel, or frightful expenses, or summary judgments needs to be made real. We probably need to make a very visible example of at least one of them before the rest understand.

  67. Paul McMahon –

    How many degrees of seperation do you think there are between McDonald and Slab Murphy? No-one can believe it’s more than one.

    Come on, Sinn Fein/IRA is two organisations in unification, and it would have triumphed decades ago if its opponents were as stupid as republicans assume them to be judging by the whoppers republicans can tell with a straight face.

    Sure, many were in SF or the IRA, but not even you believe that many also didn’t wear both hats.

  68. Paul McMahon –

    As for that NF poster, whether you believe it to be accurate is beside the point. Some do believe it and with some justification.

    In global terms, the number of white women of child-bearing age is astonishingly small. Once a sufficient number of black and Asian immigrants are in the land, white women of child-bearing age are doomed. It might take some time, but the future is demographics and they (and, hence, the white race) is doomed.

  69. No – one Pete?
    Hyperbollic much?

    Come on, Sinn Fein/IRA is two organisations in unification

    In the same way that loyalist paramilitaries and the Orange Order and UDR are / were?

    As for that NF poster, whether you believe it to be accurate is beside the point. Some do believe it and with some justification

    That may possibly be correct but you asked for my opinion.

  70. That leaflet made me sick to my stomach. I really have nothing but contempt for those who printed/distributed it, and their sympathisers.

  71. It made you sick to your stomach? You really must be hyper-sensitive. Get some of those meds that Troll is always recommending for those wise enough to disagree with him.

  72. Here is real, murderous racism. Doesn´t this make you feel even sicker, Petr?

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/352364

    TWO thugs who beat a man to death on his way home from a night out face life behind bars.

    Asif Rehman, 20, and Adel Ishaq, 19, punched, kicked and stamped on William McKeeney “as if breaking up furniture”.

    Partner Annemarie Newlands, 48, saw “two Asian men stamping on something” from her window before rushing out to find Mr McKeeney.

    The kicks inflicted on the 57-year-old labourer in the attack in Glasgow were so powerful that shoe prints were left on his head.

    Rehman and Ishaq were charged with racially aggravated murder after describing Mr McKeeney, originally from Ireland, as “a white c***”.

    However, the racist element was deleted from the charge and the pair were found guilty of murder.

  73. Racist filth.

    To paraphrase a previous comment;

    Anna L o “I’m disgusted by the distribution of National Front leaflets in my constituency in south Belfast”
    Allan@Aberdeen “Yes, but what about . . . “

  74. Paul – one is about a leaflet and the other is about murder. The former can be described as `racist´ by those inclined to do so (after all, objecting to the demographic end of whites is racist, is it not?) whereas the latter is by fact, unless the term “white cunt” used by Pakistani murderers about their white victim is somehow not racist.

  75. Petr – have you recovered from your sickness of the stomach? Which item affected you more: the ´racist´ leaflet by whites or the racist murder of a white?

  76. The thing is Allan that one is indeed racial murder and, knowing the history of where the leaflets were, the lower Lisburn Rd / Donegal Rd / Village are of south Belfast, the other could be interpreted as incitement.

    Either way the genesis of both is racism.

  77. ^
    What Paul said, basically. I’d just add that I wonder what motivated you to even mention that case. I mean, surely decent people can just agree that this leaflet is disgusting without resorting to whataboutery. It annoys you that I find the leaflet sickening; the mind really does boggle.

  78. Paul – is objecting to the demographic decline of whites in the lands to which they are indigenous an indication of `racism´? For example, it is stated by demographers that the UK will have a white minority by 2066 which is less than 100 years after a white England won the World Cup. There has never been a faster colonisation of a native people and I object to this. Is that `racist´ and is it bad to oppose the minoritisation of one´s own people in one´s own land?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/White-Britons-to-become-minority-by-2066.html

    – The white British-born community (defined as English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish-born citizens) will fall to less than half of the overall population in just over 50 years.

    The warning from Professor David Coleman, from Oxford University, comes ahead of an announcement today by the Migration Advisory Board of its recommendation for the proposed immigration cap for people outside the EU. –

    The other matter was the racist murder of a white man by descendants of Pakistanis. What do you think would have happened had the roles been reversed e.g. would the charge of `racist aggravation´have been dropped?

  79. Colonisation my hole. But even if you accept it as such:

    There has never been a faster colonisation of a native people

    There most certainly has! The old fasioned (British) way of doing it was to slaughter the natives. It rather a lot less than 100 years, be sure of that.

  80. Petr – the leaflet is a poor effort and I could have made a much better job of getting the message over that whites are in demographic danger. I´m surprised that you fail to see that a ´racist´ leaflet pales to insignificance beside a racist murder, so I will just blame your parents for failing to instill a decent set of values in you. After all, that ´racist´ leaflet “sickens” you but that murder does not – ´nuff said.

    Oh – and another day, another case of enrichment, this time it´s a white girl of 13 who was `enriched´ by three Pakistani men:

    http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/ipswich_trio_accused_of_raping_girl_13_to_face_trial_1_1655765

  81. An American perspective.

    The IRA/SF should have kicked the British to the curb, like we did way back in the day, rather than agree to equal governance, endless squabbles and squalid acts of retaliatory bullying and minor terrorism.

    If they had done the job right, there would be nothing to endlessly argue about. It’s obvious the politically entrenched factions on either side can’t seem to find a commonsense middle ground of reasonable disagreement or peaceful cohabitation, if atw is any measure of broader sentiment.

    And considering much of this is based on religious differences, I bet Jesus is not happy with any of you.

  82. Paul – such murder is deplorable but it is noteworthy that whenever a white is the victim, things are downplayed significantly or even hidden a la Savile. In any case, you object to leaflets which could nourish `racist´ thinking yet the minority status facing indigenous whites in the UK is of no concern to you? Surely you don´t think that a non-white majority will be some kind of benign experience for whites, do you? Those links which I posted about racist murder and rape are by no means rare, and the frequency increases as the colonisation by the 3rd-world accelerates.

  83. After all, that ´racist´ leaflet “sickens” you but that murder does not – ´nuff said.

    Who told you that?

    I presume you’re backing off your previous line that “There has never been a faster colonisation of a native people”

    Yes?

  84. Petr – I´m elsewhere currently so it was very late when I commented. The UK is being colonised at a rate which matches the theft of lands in places colonised by Britons on behalf of the banking cartel. The theft of land which now comprise the US was done when the states achieved independence. In Africa, none of the land thefts endured and the only one where non-British whites actually were the rightful custodians of much of the country will soon end with the complete elimination of the Afrikaner (the white). You see Petr, the fact that (Prof) Noel Ignatiev, Susan Sonntag and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown can actually state openly that the white man should be exterminated AND NOT LOSE THEIR JOBS means that it is more or less policy, though why the elimination of the greatest race of inventors and developers of humanity is desirable is beyond reason – perhaps you can explain.

    The policy of minoritisation of whites in Europe and the UK really became implemented in 1997 when Blair took power and Andrew Neather spilt the beans. Whilst 2066 is stated by one study as the year when whites will become a minority, that date has been coming down as the refusal to impose restrictions on 3rd-world immigration continues. From 1997 to 2066 is 70 years and none of the white colonies (Australia nor NZ) had `achieved´ the minoritisation of the indigenous population in such a short time. What is happening to the UK, the speed of it and the support that destruction of whites has from whites is quite staggering – you must be delighted.

    So, since England´s greatest sporting achievement (as a white country), that population will have been rendered a minority within a century. Would British soldiers have fought WW2 for that end?

    Now Petr – in terms of racism, which make you more sick: racist leaflets, racist murder, racist rape?

  85. Daphne

    The IRA pushed the British out of the south but the north is a different proposition because there is an entrenched pro-British population. Even if a military victory was possible which it is not we would be left with a large section of the people who it would be difficult to reconcile to the new state.

    If we looked at it from a purely nationalist perspective we could hope many of them would follow the British Army home. But Irish republicanism was always supposed to be about more than just nationalism. We need to find a way of bring the unionists with us. That is why to me the Good Friday Agreement is the most republican document in Irish history. It puts inclusiveness at the heart of politics and it will apply even if the north and the south do become united.

    Our flag is supposed to represent peace between the two traditions on the island not the defeat of one by the other.

  86. In terms of racism, which make you more sick: racist leaflets, racist murder, racist rape?

    In terms of crimes clearly the murder and rapes are horrendous however it’s exactly those type of leaflets which lead to this:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/23/romanians-belfast-racist-attacks

    (Which just happened to be in the same area where the leaflet was found. Coincidence?)

    And, ultimately if followed through to it’s final result, the crimes that you speak of.

  87. //That is why to me the Good Friday Agreement is the most republican document in Irish history. It puts inclusiveness at the heart of politics//

    In fact it has led to a coalition between Ulster nationalists and Irish nationalists. There is very little of Britain evident in the outcome.

    Which is of course the way the British always wished it would be.

  88. Noel,

    “Which is of course the way the British always wished it would be.”

    How very true. Especially in light of those pesky and embarrassing Troubles. Not to mention the one-party rule and human-rights violations that preceded them.

    Not very British—at least not Britishness as espoused and practised in recent decades.

  89. And, ultimately if followed through to it’s final result, the crimes that you speak of.

    Oh right, republicans are now in favour of multiculturalism and acceptance of others!

  90. Oh right, republicans are now in favour of multiculturalism and acceptance of others!

    Well, this one is in favour of multi inter – culturism tolerance & acceptance of others insofar as it’s not intolerance or hatred dressed up as something else.

    Not very British—at least not Britishness as espoused and practised in recent decades

    Yes Richard, I always thought that the self proclaimed ‘most loyal people in the UK’ always practised a peculiar form of Britishness.

  91. While the loyalists were pumping iron in prison the republicans were reading books; a more enlightened lot, you’ll find.

  92. Well, this one is in favour of multi inter – culturism tolerance & acceptance of others insofar as it’s not intolerance or hatred dressed up as something else.

    Yeah, there we were thinking republican violence was aimed at ending Northern Ireland’s existence, when all along they just wanted the Orange Order to smile more.

  93. Interesting that you seem to think that it was only Republicans that used violence?

    Regarding the OO. Less than 3% of their marches are contentious. Contention of OO marches is hardly surprising as the OO & loyalist paramilitaries have many cases of overlapping membership and makes them, what was the phrase again? , ah yes,

    two organisations in unification

    Which seems to be enough to make them the same organisation according to you.

  94. As always, Petr and Paul (almost Biblical) seek to avoid discussion of the central point which was put on the National Front leaflet, specifically that whites indigenous to these islands are about to become a minority under the weight of 3rd-world colonisation. Not a single word from them disputes this assertion which I backed in previous posts. I wrote that such an outcome will be disastrous for these indigenous people (including me) who, because they/we are white, are fair game for the leftist destructionism seen in people like Susan Sonntag, Noel Ignatiev, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown who have already stated their desire to see the end of white people.

  95. What’s that Petr – my entire race to be wiped out?

    As I read from the thread and where you have avoided any condemnation of racist rape and murder against whites, my comment about you having no decent values is confirmed. But would you explain why it is a good thing to have whites wiped out in the manner stated by those above?

  96. It was a joke, Allan. Although you are one sick puppy; I was just pretending for a moment to accept your hysterical premises.

    You’re no more being ‘wiped out’ than the man in the moon; although I am quite glad you think you are. Hope it’s really annoying you. lol

  97. Petr – it’s not a joke and it is happening. As Pete pointed out above, the number of whites of child-bearing age in the world population is about 2% whilst within the UK is approaching minority status about 30 years ahead of absolute minority status for the indigenous population. However, for you and those silly whites who are like you, it’s just a bit of a joke. Enjoy the joke.

  98. Well Allan the central point was about SF & the NF, however;

    Simply put Allan I don’t belive the racial paranoia which your life seems to revolve around.

    Have a look at the upper echelons of banking, bussiness, politics, the military & police both internationally and in the northern hemisphere and tell me how many ethnics there are.

    This is where real power rests once whites are ‘wiped out’ there come back and speak to me. Until then a few kooks ranting and Daily Mail scare stories don’t mean a lot.

    As always, Petr and Paul (almost Biblical) seek to avoid discussion of the central point which was put on the National Front leaflet

    That may be because you posted a link about racist violence as if it only existed against whites (which is of course not true) and I made the point that the NF leaflet, if taken to the ultimate violent end, has the same outcome as the racial violence that you mention.

    But I’m sure that’ll probably be ignored as well.

  99. Have a look at the upper echelons of banking, bussiness, politics, the military & police both internationally and in the northern hemisphere and tell me how many ethnics there are.

    In politics and the police, there’s a growing numbers of invaders. But so what? The ethnic and cultural war against the indigenous people of these lands is only a few decades old and already many neigbourhoods in many towns have been cleansed of whites.

    When you next leave comfortable Pamplona take a look around some British cities, or some French and Dutch neighbourhoods. Demographics are inevitable. Take your daughters so they can see their futures.

    So don’t worry, there are many more blacks in the police than whites on this London street.

    Of course this war has impacted the working classes so far, not the ruling class. It’s the working classes who have had their homes overran by invaders and who, overwhelmingly, are prosecuted for disobeying laws which proscribe free speech under the pretence that they are needed to preserve “race relations” – a situation we never wanted in the first place.

    As usual the Lefties here are backing the ruling class while pissing on the working man.

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