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I see that most loathsome of political specimens, Hillary Clinton, is back in Belfast today.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to arrive in Belfast on Friday as part of a four-day trip to Europe. It is understood she will meet Northern Ireland’s first minister and deputy first minister, and attend an Ireland Fund dinner at Titanic Belfast.  It could be one of her last foreign engagements as Washington’s most senior diplomat.

“An Ireland Fund” dinner? Woner where that country is? Clinton and husband Bubba were central to placing the IRA in government here and so in a sense this is a return to the scene of the crime. It is entirely fitting that Hillary Clinton should come along to Belfast to celebrate her part in making sure that the democratic standard here has become so corrupted that lunch with an IRA Godfather seems normal.

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58 thoughts on “RETURN TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME…

  1. I wonder if the truly awful slimeball of an excuse for a human being, will blatantly and outragously lie misspeak about coming under heavy fire from the locals upon landing at Belfast airport 😉

    Clinton admits Bosnia ‘mistake’

    A Clinton aide earlier said she “misspoke” about the visit

    Mrs Clinton in Bosnia
    Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has said she made a mistake in claiming that she came under sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia in the 1990s.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7313117.stm

    They lie, it’s what they do for a living.

  2. It is a disgrace that the centre built on the site of the bomb was named the Clinton Centre. We had been promised a garden if remembrance but we were stuck with that. Of course the victims weren’t consulted, like we weren’t consulted about desecrating the war memorial and putting those awful birds on it. Not just weren’t consulted but we were told it wasn’t our decision when we objected.

    One day hopefully the centre will be renamed.

  3. Western folk, appear to earn huge salaries working in the more affluent Arab states, I can only assume most of it is based on ‘Danger money’.

  4. David,

    “An Ireland Fund” dinner? Woner where that country is?

    Try googling “Dublin, Ireland” and your difficulty will be solved.

    I woner if Pete and you have been supping from the same cup. His knowledge European of geography is equally abysmal.

  5. Richard

    David said “country”. That is a political entity not a geographical one.

    Any googling that tells him that Belfast is in a country called Ireland is unlikely to solve any difficulty!

  6. Harri, on December 7th, 2012 at 8:22 AM Said:
    Western folk, appear to earn huge salaries working in the more affluent Arab states, I can only assume most of it is based on ‘Danger money’.

    Oooops. wrong thread.

  7. Harri

    I was wondering for a moment when we had become an Arab state and had Clinton come to work 🙂

  8. Aileen,

    “Any googling that tells him that Belfast is in a country called Ireland is unlikely to solve any difficulty!’

    I agree. It won’t remove that chiplet from his shoulder. Or from yours.

  9. Aileen, on December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 AM Said:
    Harri

    I was wondering for a moment when we had become an Arab state and had Clinton come to work

    There is still time 😉

  10. Has Hilary not claimed to have ‘Irish roots’ yet ?

    That’s appears to usually be the norm.

  11. Richard

    So what was that bollox about getting him to google?

    For “chipet” read “accurate knowledge” I know that is something you have a problem with and are quite proud of your inaccuracies. Indeed could be said you have quite a chip on your shoulder about accuracy.

  12. Oh good grief, my apologies for even thinking about questioning the insufferable mendacious oafs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_of_Irish_descent

    Is Bubba Clinton Irish?

    No. He’s an American of mostly English descent. His sole claim to being of Irish heritage is the fact that his mother, a third-generation American, had a typically Irish last name (Cassidy). However, there is no documentation proving Clinton’s claim of being Irish-American like his hero Jack Kennedy.
    Actually, a lot of Americans erroneously claim to be “Irish”, when they’re at most Irish-American, or more likely, simply an American of some Irish ethnicity.

  13. I believe David, and others, have stated their rock-solid belief that northern Ireland’s place in the union is secure for the foreseeable future.

    However, regular nit-picking over what others call the place (as if it makes a difference) suggests otherwise.

  14. If you want to know why we needed the Clintons to help us out of the mess then this thread will tell you. By the way there is more support in Northern Ireland (aka The Six Counties) for the Good Friday Agreement than there is for either a united Ireland or remaining in the UK. That is the electoral fact of the matter.

  15. Aileen,

    “I know that is something you have a problem with and are quite proud of your inaccuracies.”

    I am? Do please explain.

  16. Richard

    Firstly your smug scarcasm in telling David that he should google Dublin and Ireland and being superior about huis geography when the mistake was yours and when pointed out instead of acknowledging it continued in same vein.

    If you are going to be sarcastic you really should take more care to be right.

    In the last wee while with LU over the use of the term Union Flag, ridiculing him for choosing to be accurate.

  17. Aileen,

    Sigh. David wondered where Ireland was. I suggested that he google it. Where was my mistake?

    I did not ridicule LU over his use of “Union Flag”. The ridicule was his. I simply pointed out that “Union Jack” is the preferred term throughout the world.

  18. Isn’t this all petty and silly. Ireland is clearly the geographical name of the island and the political name of the State that makes up 26 counties of it. It’s not incorrect to use the term simultaneously.

    And as for the Union Jack/flag it may well be that the technical terminolgy was originally a reference to the flag being at sea, but so what – Union Jack has become the general popularly used name for the UK’s national flag. Language is fluid and it is not wrong to say Union Jack in normal usage.

  19. Each of the Clintons has their flaws. Each has done or said things I disagree with. On issues relating to Northern Ireland, however, they deserve the praise they have gotten for helping to end the historical cycle of violence and unjust status quo.

    The Irish Fund performs good deeds and provides valuable assistance to the place called Ireland, which is as one might surmise, is not one unified political location. There are chapters around the world and the money they have raised has gone to good use.

  20. Pure appeasement of murdering scum.

    Almost as bad as voting for them.

    Colm, Richard, the CORRECT term for our National flag, is the Union Flag. A jack is a term used for little flags on board a ship, thus it’s usage is limited to when the flag is flown at sea, or in a naval base.

    Simple.

    Also, since 1998, the Irish constitution changed the name Ireland to be used to represent the 26 counties. Therefore, Belfast is not in Ireland, but as we all know, in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    As a wise man said, ‘Accuracy is the bane of fools.’

  21. The Clintons don’t give a damn about peace or Ireland. Come on, these are the Clintons. When they walk in the room someone ends up dead. They sided with the IRA for electoral reasons.

    My friend Conor O’Clery, then the Washington correspondent of the Irish Times, wrote an excellent book on the affair ‘The Greening of the White House’, which is a manual in miniature of American politics as it really happens, and describes the pressures and alliances that put Bill Clinton at the side of Sinn Fein and the IRA.

    At the heart of this was( and is) the enormous importance of the Irish-American vote, and of Irish-American money, in Presidential elections. The Irish vote is important in several of the states with the biggest electoral college votes, notably New York, Massachusetts, California, Illinois and Pennsylvania, and is not unimportant in Ohio either. Nor is it some sort of hick, backwoods section of the population. Irish America is now very well-represented in business, and has lots of money to contribute to Presidential and Congressional campaigns.

    Clinton’s big problem in 1992, was that Reagan Republicanism had stolen a lot of Roman Catholic working class votes from the Democrats. The issue of abortion had been very important in alienating them from the Democrats. He realised, being an astute campaigner, that he could regain many of these votes (without annoying the pro-abortion voters who were also essential to his victory) if he pledged to advance the Irish Republican cause. And so he did. He didn’t, as far as anyone could tell, care very much about it at the time, or know very much about it. It wasn’t a big deal in Arkansas.

    And he largely forgot his pledge until, after his Party suffered very bad mid-term reverses in November 1992, Irish America came to him and said , more or less ‘We helped you; now you help us’.

    Soon after that Mr Adams was laundered from terrorist Godfather into Man of Peace. The New York Times, the Izvestia of America’s liberal ruling class, started publishing adulatory drivel about him, and he went about comparing himself with the (peaceful) Black Civil Rights movement.

    And what’s the monstrous H. Clinton doing now?

    It is understood she will meet Northern Ireland’s first minister and deputy first minister, and attend an Ireland Fund dinner at Titanic Belfast.

    Electioneering. This is her first shot in the 2016 campaign. She out of the State Department soon, but she’s already on the road to 2016.

  22. Colm,

    Petty and silly indeed. And it’s such pettiness and silliness that have cost lives in Northern Ireland, incredible as that may seem to thinking people 🙁

    You’ve cleared up the “Ireland” question. Good on you. Now allow me to put the Union Jack/Flag thing to bed once and for all.

    My old mate, Prof. Nick Groom, has this to say:

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines the ‘Union Jack’ as ‘Originally and properly, a small British union flag flown as the jack of a ship; in later and more general use extended to any size or adaptation of the union flag (even when not used as a jack), and regarded as the national ensign’. Many people object to the term Union Jack being applied to the national ensign, arguing that the distinction between Union Jack and Union Flag should be observed because of the specific use of the Jack flag at sea: it is more accurate to say that it is the flag flown from the jackstaff of a ship. In the late nineteenth century there was an attempt to restrict the use of the term ‘Union Jack’ to such flags flown from the jackstaff of British maritime vessels.

    The Union Flag has, however, been known as the Union Jack since the seventeenth century. An Admiralty Circular of 1902 noted that the two names were interchangeable, and Parliament confirmed the terminology by declaring in 1908 that ‘the Union Jack should be regarded as the national flag’. It is therefore unnecessarily pedantic to insist on calling the national ensign the ‘Union Flag’ unless one is distinguishing it from the ‘Union Jack’ flown by the Royal Navy, and this book follows the current everyday usage.

    ~ From the Author’s Note to Union Jack: the Story of the British Flag, Atlantic Books 2006.

    Now let’s hear no more about it. Please.

  23. Richard, in the spirit of reconcilliation, I’d be happy for either the Union Flag, or indeed ‘Jack’ to fly over the city hall. 😉

  24. I’m willing to offer a full scale photo of me to fly over Belfast city hall. I’m sure that would delight ALL the residents of that divided city 😉

  25. LU,

    Good man. And here’s news for you: it does.

    In deference to that large minority who owe no allegiance to it, it will now fly less often. What could be fairer than that?

  26. Head spinning stuff. It’s like saying, there’s no country called France.

    I’m not even trying to be controversial, I find nationalism crass as I’ve said before. It’s just a fact that the 26-county state is called Ireland.

  27. “It’s like saying, there’s no country called France.”

    No it’s not.

    It’s like saying there’s no country called North America.

  28. “No it’s not.

    “It’s like saying there’s no country called North America.”

    Yes it is. No it’s not. Yes it is….

    Good grief. Last time I heard infantile stuff like this I was seven, and in a playground.

    And no, it wasn’t called after Peppa Pig, more’s the pity.

  29. Petr Tarasov, on December 7th, 2012 at 11:33 AM Said:
    Head spinning stuff. It’s like saying, there’s no country called France.

    I’m not even trying to be controversial, I find nationalism crass as

    Unless its called Palenstine 😉

    No hypocricy there then.

  30. Richard,

    Proof, as if it were needed, that the Internet and increased access to information doesn’t result in more informed people. In fact, many are even more determined to have their own facts.

    Last word from me on this silliness.

  31. Clinton and husband Bubba were central to placing the IRA in government here and so in a sense this is a return to the scene of the crime.

    I’d say that the electorate were responsible for putting anyone in government.

    David said “country”. That is a political entity not a geographical one

    Ah, unlike the U.K. then.

  32. Petr Tarasov, on December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 AM Said:
    That’s right, Harri. None at all.

    So Palenstine, or it’s supporters have no wish for a seperate ‘ Nationalistic State’ then?

  33. So Palenstine, or it’s supporters have no wish for a seperate ‘ Nationalistic State’ then?

    Wow, my old English tutor would have had a field-day with that sentence 😉

  34. There’s no way that Bill Clinton’s interest in Ireland was motivated only, or even mainly, by the needs of electioning. He had a strong interest in the NI problem since he was a student in Britain, and even before he up the cause of peace in NI he had far greater knowledge of the place than most British Prime Ministers.

    Another contrast to those British PMs was that Bill had balls. The famous standard advice for new PMs in Britain on taking office was “Whatever you do, do nothing about Ulster” (sic, for you, Pete). Clinton had courage, wisdom and strength (and, my god, what endless patience!) and faced the problem head-on and pressurised the British and both sides in NI until they made a deal.
    All Ireland is in debt to him and there are many, many people walking around today who would be dead if not for Bill Clinton.

    As a better man than me said: “‘Tis doubtful if the likes of him will ever be seen here again” 🙂

    I hope Hilary enjoys her stay in Ireland.
    She and the NI First Minister will find they have several things in common.:)

  35. Noel,

    “Bill had balls.”

    Hmmm, unfortunate choice of words in his case but point taken 😉

    I agree with your comment re his motivations. And yes, his work undoubtedly saved lives.

  36. Noel Cunningham –

    There’s nothing in the record to indicate Clinton even knew where Northern Ireland is prior to using it to grub up some votes. That same record shows Irish-American business money funding his elections, and that it induced the White House to overturn State Department anti-terror policies with regard to the IRA.

  37. LU,

    I think you should give your dossier of 17 cases against MMcG to Vance so he can publish them here.

    Wouldn;t that be some scoop?

  38. Lads, any chance of an intelligent debate rather than this childish bickering.If u wanna refer to Ireland as the whole Island, Grand. If u want to refer to it as the 26 counties, Grand. Who cares, really.

    Regardless of the reasons why the Clintons poured so much time and energy into Ireland, what we have now is at least the basis of what will lead to Joint Authority which will be good for both communities. Both traditions with equal stakes in the state in terms of identity. Not too gone on the idea of a UI, at least with joint authority we can still get an income from London.

    I wish the Unionist rioters would hurry up and calm down so we can get on with our christmas shopping. If they are going to lose their nuts over a rag flying over Belfast that nobody even notices most of the time, God help up us when they see the census results on Tuesday !! On second thoughts they probably cant do sums so maybe they won’t notice.

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