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As any sensible observer understands, the so called “peace process” here in Northern Ireland is a wicked fraud from start to finish.

May I ask you to have a quick review of this story, confirming that the repugnant terror group the UVF had decommissioned their weapons. Fair enough, we are told that we must believe these things and some foolishly do so. And then we read that the same UVF are firing shots at police in East Belfast. So, they decommissioned and stood down but remain..erm..armed and active.

What could make more sense?

Maybe this is the “I can’t believe it’s not the UVF”? Or than again maybe some people need to face up to the fact that a political process based on appeasing terrorists will ONLY ever deliver contorted democracy and MORE terrorism.

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  1. The Process has delivered less terrorism. That is a fact that simply can’t be denied based on the numbers. It can’t erase fringe elements among loyalists and republicans who try to provoke events, but it has transformed NI from the far more violent place it was.

  2. Mahons.
    ” but it has transformed NI from the far more violent place it was.”

    I would like to believe that.
    But I think that was has happened is that the Peace Process led by Mo Mowlam took so many people by surprise that all sides were willing to suspend their worldview and give it a go.
    Concessions were made, hands shaken, photos taken and limelight enjoyed.
    But the reality never went away.
    The partisan objectives never changed.
    Now we are seeing the awakening and return of sectarian ambitions and resentment.

    Yes, most dacent people want peace. But their leaders want their own version of peace to prevail.

  3. But david aren’t you for appeasing these rioters and giving them what they want. Don’t you agree they should have the fleg up all year, and that they shouldn’t bend the knee..or do you only want to appease some terrorists but not others? N Ireland is not as British as Finchley, its whole status rests upon a majority decision. A democratic vote could over turn its status at any time…

  4. “and that they shouldn’t bend the knee…”
    What IS this old nonsense about bending the knee anyway Kateyo?
    I have read in other blogspots that Northern Ireland shouldn’t “bend the knee to Westminster”.
    WHAT are they on about?
    Nobody bends the knee to Westminster anymore. The English for example could either care less about provincial issues, or they just respect the differences. Northern Irish residents are just like us. They have their ruffians and retrogrades and their aspirationals.
    Folk who just want to get on and do something with their lives without being dragged down into the Bog of Tradition and Resentment.
    Personally I would like the Catholics, Protestants and Atheists of Northern Ireland happy and contented.

  5. did u read the comment re bending the knee, was it to westminister..no it wasn’t.

    was it about loyalist protesters who are rioting and shooting at police not bending the knee to nationalists over a democratic decision … why yes it was. telling protesters who are rioting not to bend the knee is an awful lot different to saying what you imply, but then you commented before you read what i was talking about … in other words know what you are talking about before you spout

  6. Kateyo,
    I wasn’t trying to upset anyone, let alone you. I did read the comments. My position remains that as far as I am informed and understand it the majority in Northern Ireland wish to remain British?

  7. //the Peace Process led by Mo Mowlam took so many people by surprise//

    For anyone who remembers the most protracted series of political negotiations in history, with hundreds of false starts, dead ends, walk-outs, restarts etc., that is genuinely hilarious.

  8. And therein lies the problem Noel.
    Ha Ha Ha!
    Does ANYONE outside of the fanatics of Northern Ireland (universally speaking) CARE if Agit8ed bypassed all the other bit players???

    You think China CARES?
    Or all the other nations jostling to make a living in the world market for goods and services CARES??
    How far up your own backside are you to think that Northern Ireland is the centre of the world?
    Get yourself in line for a State funded job counting the leprecauns.

  9. Agit8ed – If you would like to believe it then I invite you to review the statistics as to the violence since the Peace Process. The numbers are there in black and white.

  10. You think China CARES?
    Or all the other nations jostling to make a living in the world market for goods and services CARES?

    Probably just as much as they care about immigration, Islam, the NHS, Israel, unemployment in Europe, the Eurozone etc.

    Does ANYONE outside of the fanatics of Northern Ireland (universally speaking) CARE

    Fanatics eh?

    That’s quite a quote to make from the most Christian Englishman on ATW.

  11. “Fanatics eh?

    That’s quite a quote to make from the most Christian Englishman on ATW.”

    I am the kindest, nicest English person on this blog.
    When I talk about fanatics in this context I mean those who would use/intimidate/harm other people in order to impose their view and their will.
    ALL societies are made up of the leaders and the led, and those who watch to see who’s winning.
    You can lead the majority through promises of things getting better, threats of things getting worse or the use of violence.

  12. “You think China CARES?
    Or all the other nations jostling to make a living in the world market for goods and services CARES?”

    My point being that the rest of the world is getting on with life..

  13. I agree, I think that you’re a fairly kind, nice bloke many times you seem to steer threads towards Christianity and / or your English nationality which could be construed as fanatical,(not a criticism, just an observation)

    When I talk about fanatics in this context I mean those who would use/intimidate/harm other people in order to impose their view and their will

    Which has been done by many, not least by the English & Christians.

    My point being that the rest of the world is getting on with life

    Which could be applied to every thread on ATW.

  14. “Which could be applied to every thread on ATW.”
    But it is Northern Ireland which seems unable to let go the past.

  15. But it is Northern Ireland which seems unable to let go the past

    So we’ll hear no more about traditions, history and Christianity then?

  16. Well said David

    Re the UVF etc I think Peter nailed it in terms of motivation. They want a pay off in the form of some “community initiate”, where they cream off the money and the community gets nothing except having to live alongside thugs who have increased their power and personal wealth.

  17. The Process has delivered less terrorism.

    Well yes, but it is like how paying Somali pirates means fewer deaths- it’s true but it provides a long term incentive for further violence.

  18. Ross- It doesn’t seem to have, there has been a dramatic decrease since the GFA to the point that no one thought possible. The key is to maintain that.

  19. There is no incentive to return to bomb and bullet terrorism, but certainly as mentioned above the ‘recreational organised rioting’ I believe is certainly being fomented to help squeeze more public money into the coffers of the former terrorist come ‘community activists’ pockets.

  20. //Well yes, but it is like how paying Somali pirates means fewer deaths//

    If you mean that they will then stop being pirates, destroy their weapons, embrace peace and democracy, recognise the futility of their ways, well, yes, then give them a bit of cash and let’s save all that money in lost freight and loads of bother.

  21. Well yes, but it is like how paying Somali pirates means fewer deaths

    Well, the precedent was set in 1922 and once you pay the Danegelde . . .

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