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Internal State Security, still in some kind of build up frenzy, has just loaded up with 2717 of these Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP) for use in the United States

MRAP

According to the manufacturer: “The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats. Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.”

Whatever are they expecting?

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37 thoughts on “MEANWHILE, IN THE LAND OF THE FREE

  1. The article starts “According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.”

    Which is a load of nonsense.

  2. And if you follow the chain of links a little further you get this gem.

    “Update: One reader has suggested that the DHS vehicles are not Navistar MaxxPro, but Golan (Israeli made) armored vehicles, while another reader who apparently has worked for Navistar confirms that this vehicle is indeed made by Navistar. There have been numerous reports on this story swirling within the blogosphere with varying claims of make and model. While this new information may or may not be accurate, I still question the need for these types of military armored vehicles riding on the ‘free’ streets of America, regardless of who makes them.”

    So the conspiracy loons don’t even know what it is the DHS is supposed to have bought. You couldn’t make it up. But obviously someone did.

  3. And finally if you do a little research you find that it is actually an upgrade to existing Army vehicles.

    “Navistar Defense, LLC received an award to conduct the installation work associated with its January order to upgrade 2,717 International® MaxxPro® Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles with a new vehicle chassis. The $21 million contract from the U.S. Army Contracting Command is just one of Navistar’s many reset offerings aimed at revitalizing existing defense assets for future missions. “

  4. FO –

    So the vehicle is as described afterall. You’ve just gone to great lengths to debunk yourself.

  5. How did I debunk myself?

    Which of my statements debunked which other statement?

  6. FO –

    You’re all over the shop.

    The original claim is that the vehicle is a Navistar MaxxPro. Your 5.15pm states that “the conspiracy loons don’t even know what it is the DHS is supposed to have bought”, because of one comment which says it might not be a Navistar.

    You then post the Navistar press release confirming that it is the MaxxPro: i.e. that the conspiracy loons did have it right all along. So your 5.23pm debunks your 5.15pm.

    Let’s leave it there, eh? You’ve spread enough confusion as it is.

  7. From Fews link:

    The installation contract retrofits vintage MaxxPro vehicles with a new rolling chassis.

    So they haven’t bought any new vehicles at all. They haven’t “just” loaded up with vehicles. There is no buildup, therefore the linked article is bullshit.

    In fact they’ve apparently had these vintage vehicles for yonks and the result of that ‘buildup frenzy’ is that nothing happened (even though they were for use in the United States zomg !!!!!!!1)

  8. yeah lets talk truth.

    here is a video given by the DHS on how they use this vehicle to serve Warrants

  9. When you repeat these “sinister” stories about the vehicles and the ammunition “stockpiling” you do realize that the rest of us have access to the internet, news souces and common sense?

    And you also realize that various people having debunked mischaracterizations, inaccurate stories and wild conspiracy allegations over the years now from the chicken littles of ATW that certain types of claims offered by the usual suspects do not meet with universal acclaim here from those of us burdened by sticking to the facts?

  10. So your 5.23pm debunks your 5.15pm.

    My 5.15 states “So the conspiracy loons don’t even know what it is the DHS is supposed to have bought.”

    I proved this was true by quoting the actual conspiracy loons “There have been numerous reports on this story swirling within the blogosphere with varying claims of make and model. While this new information may or may not be accurate, ”

    “Let’s leave it there, eh?”

    Let’s not.

    Let’s point out that you got the government department wrong.

    Let’s point out that you got the work being done wrong.

    Let’s point out that you got where the vehicles were going to be used wrong.

    But you did get the model right.

    Hooray for you!!!

  11. Wow!
    Whoever built/upgraded ’em I betcha Clarence J. Boddicker would like to own one..
    RoboCop here we come!

  12. the video link I put up SHOWS & PROVES that DHS is using them to serve Warrants in the El-Paso area of the United States they state it over and over

    The link from Investors SHOWS & Proves that the Federal Govt has purchased over 1 BILLION rounds of 9mm & 40S&W

  13. Frank O’Dwyer –

    I know they’re not new. No-one claimed they’re new. These are military vehicles being adapted for use by internal security in the US.

    FO –

    You’re losing it. Back out of blog, go for a lie down.

  14. Troll – You’ve read the full story surely on each story? You aren’t relying on those two links as a definitve explanation of these claims?

  15. I watched the video did you? And I followed the link to the other link to the original story and read it. You want a breakdown of what departments got the Ammo? I’m sure since you read them you can post the sections that show me wrong, or point out that the DHS officer in El Paso was really on the back lot of some studio… maybe the one they faked the Moon Landing on.

    c’mon make your case.

  16. I read all about it, as you may know these types of stories set fire to the survivalist crowd who can pick the half-truths for their wild cliams of impending Big Brother takeover. You can read the fairly obvious explanations by simply hitting Google. In fact, the ammo stories have been raised by Pete a few times and the links exposing the claime for the wild allegatiosn they are were provided by others in the past.

  17. The link from Investors SHOWS & Proves that the Federal Govt has purchased over 1 BILLION rounds of 9mm & 40S&W

    The Investors article actually says “According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.”

    So it proves nothing, it is just a made up number.

  18. so Investors.com is a Wild loon site, and their information on the ammo is false. and the DHS Officer in ElPaso explaining how they use the vehichle pictured in this post to serve warrants is the case your putting forth.

    No FO it’s not a made up number. From the same article.

    In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

    Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents’ required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

    Read More At IBD: Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? by Andrew Malcolm – Investors.com http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/020813-643707-obama-homeland-security-vast-ammunition-purchases.htm#ixzz2MbRPuj00
    Follow us: @IBDinvestors on Twitter | InvestorsBusinessDaily on Facebook

    So the use the “term one sorce estimates” and that dismisses it entirely for you?

    I won’t post the links to FOX or other news agencies, but how about an admission given to Huffpo or won’t you even except the government itself saying it’s buying 1.9Billion rounds?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/14/homeland-security-bullets_n_2688402.html

    The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them – roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States – for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

    They admit it, but it’s just so they can practice.

    Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as “strategic sourcing contracts,” which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

    Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department’s umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department’s training center last year.

    The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government’s second largest criminal investigative agency.

    Now you can make that case, and you can make the case that on our southern border they need those vehicles.

    What you can’t say is that it’s not true that they have both.

    Denial is NOT a river in Egypt gentleman in your two’s cases it is however a fools clothing.

  19. So you don’t even understand the expalantion regarding how the government contracts and makes its purchases and what the purchases will be used for? I fell bad now because I had thought you could read the response and understand them and were pursuing the hysterical angle despite the obvious explanation. But now I know you simply don’t undertand it and can not be held accountable for your misundertanding.

  20. not to mention that someone whose business includes the sale of Ammo I can testify that both 9mm and .40sw is in very short supply for public consumption. Our supply lines are so stressed that WHEN we have it, we limit the sale to only 3 boxes. (a box holds 25)

  21. Like I said Mahons you wear that coat well, our soldiers don’t stockpile and practice with that much ammo, you still haven’t responded on where the got the fake DHS agent to make that video at the Mall in ElPasso.

  22. Whether these particular stories are true or have been wildly misconstrued, at the end of the day, what does it matter?

    In the unlikely event the government decided to quarantine or round up the inhabitants of my entire zip code for relocation to a FEMA camp, they’d do it without much bloodshed or effective resistance. It’s no big secret that they’ve had these capabilities for years. Just ask any relatives of Japanese American and German American citizens who were interred wholesale during WWII.

    You want to blame someone for this illiberal state of affairs? The list is a long one, but it comes down to the simple fact that the american people tolerate and even request this type of federal security.

  23. Just simply by opening one’s eyes can be seen lies and idiocies. The picture to this article links homeland security to immigration enforcement. Everybody south (and north) of the Rio Grande knows that there is no ‘immigration enforcement’. There are some check-points but many of these are as far as 50 miles inside the US.

    This is another absurdity:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/02/nato-accidentally-shoots-afghan-boys_n_2796184.html

    KABUL, March 2 (Reuters) – NATO said on Saturday its forces had accidentally shot dead two Afghan boys, in the latest of a series of reports of civilian deaths at the hands of international troops.

    Australian forces deployed in Uruzgan said earlier there had been an “operational incident” in the province’s northwest but gave no details except that no soldiers were harmed.

    NATO means North Atlantic Treaty Organisation and Afghanistan is in the middle of the asian land mass. Australia is about as far away from NATO as is geographically possible. Wtf are all these idiots doing there apart from protecting th opium crop?

  24. Curb your glib, Mahons.

    You disagree with what precisely? America’s previous internment camps, the government’s capability to contain or round up certain citizens or our overall general amenability to this type of juiced up federal oversight?

  25. One can’t disagree with the historical fact of Japanese Internment during World War II, or even the rather smaller incidence of German internment during the same period.

    The Government’s inclination to round up as you suggest everyone in your Zip Code is simply paranoia. The capability to do so in theory is possible, but in reality absolutely without basis. And outside of internet daydreams, there is no general amenability to such an event.

  26. Would the lot of you smarten up, the DHS has an OPTION to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition which is really fart all. considering the geographic dispersion required to cover the country its nothing

    And troll Walmart sells ammunition and I dare say the average geriatric greeter knows way more about the state of the gun industry than you do

  27. I didn’t suggest the government would round up everyone in my zip code, merely if they did, it would be a pedestrian cake walk.

    I was also pretty clear that I don’t think the government is about to go all despotic.

    Maybe you ought to give it another read.

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