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The North Korea issue is not going away and naturally we all want to see peace prevail but how do you deal with the communist lunatics that run that country?

Foreign Ministers in London for the G8 summit issued a stern warning to North Korea yesterday that there would be “further significant measures” taken if a missile test went ahead. British Foreign Secretary William Hague conveyed the stark message as Pyongyang claimed it had “powerful striking means” on standby. Both South Korea and the US believe the rogue state is preparing to test-fire a missile designed to be capable of reaching Japan and the American territory of Guam in the Pacific.

I don’t think this rhetoric from Hague the Vague will have any sort of meaningful impact on the  Pyongyang loons, do you? Perhaps the only way to really sort North Korea out is some sort of intense Chinese diplomacy, but they seem to want to play a long game on this one. Will it erupt into a regional war? Or is it just bellicose propaganda aimed at the poor people who suffer under this despotic regime? Might this end in a mushroom cloud?

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35 thoughts on “STEP BACK OR WHAT?

  1. Personally I think William Hague has been a remarkably consistent disappointment as our Foreign Secretary. Bland, lifeless and boring.
    You would think a man of his talent would put some effort into delivering the lines prepared for him in Brussels…

  2. The Chinese hold alll the good cards but they’re afraid to use them.

    Plus, the other guy is a drooling idiot, who does not care about the welfare of his people at all, so normal logic might not even work.

    .

  3. This is a time where the principles of non intervention are immoral.

    NK should be the invaded by the US China and S Korea ( not Japan ) and Korea should be reunited.

  4. So NK is going to test-fire a missile. Does the US military ever test-fire its missiles?

    Phantom – if Korea is forcibly re-united, will US forces be needed to protect it from China?

  5. The US doesn’t threaten to blow up its neighbors and then fire a missile.

    Once Korea is re-united, I’d be in favor of a demilitarized north and a large reduction in the troop deployment in the south.

    You’d want to have some type of formalized, better relationship between Korea and Japan too. They still hate one another. If Japan helped rebuild ( build ) the north after the fall of the communist monarchy that would be helpful.

  6. Phantom,
    I think a reunited Korea would be good for them, but as McTatters says it might result in a deepening of tensions between China and the USA.

  7. If done right – in the context of a true peace deal between Japan and Korea ( the real problem ) and a lowered US troop count in Korea, it should actually reduce tensions between the US and China. In a sane world.

    Though China is very belligerent in the region these days, so you may be right.

  8. “This is a time where the principles of non intervention are immoral.”

    Breaking: every country on the planet apart from the US is immoral.

    Does anyone think that Washington spends mega-billions (most of which gets shurned back to the military-industrial complex) on its South Korean garrisons out of the goodness of its heart?

    South Korea’s population is twice that of the North and its GDP per capita is 50 times greater. It is incomparably richer than its neighbour, which is weak, decrepit and has a military with comically obsolete hardware.

    South Korea doesn’t need Americans to bleed in the wallet or on the battlefield to defend it.

  9. “Though China is very belligerent in the region these days, so you may be right.

    Can I quote you on that?
    TWO compliments in one week!
    I feel quite giddy.
    AND Allan is still with us!!
    What more could a Khazar supporter ask for?

  10. China is very belligerent in the region? Its own region?

    How many warships and military aircaft does it have near the US? How many does the US have near China?

  11. China has been aggressive in the recent past towards Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Vietnam.

    They have claimed an immense swath of the Pacific as their own, including islands in the other nations’ waters.

    You and Herr Allan may not like it, but the astonishing clumsiness of China has driven all these countries much closer to China. They’re all afraid of China. They’ve not afraid of us.

  12. China has been aggressive in the recent past towards Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Vietnam.

    They have claimed an immense swath of the Pacific as their own, including islands in the other nations’ waters.

    You and Herr Allan may not like it, but the astonishing clumsiness of China has driven all these countries much closer to the USA. They’re all very afraid of China. They’ve not afraid of us.

  13. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the geopolitics of the situation, North Korea is one regime I would love to see toppled. Having recently read a book about real lives in that country from those who managed to defect, it is heartbreaking that a people who should be prosperous live in such enforced misery poverty an real total repression.

  14. “China has been aggressive in the recent past towards Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Vietnam.”

    Really? Can’t say I noticed. I was too busy watching Iraq and Afghanistan turned to rubble. Oh, that’s not aggression, but Chinese words about Taiwan? Run for your lives!

    Phantom, flip a map around occasionally. Imagine seeing things through someone else’s eyes.

  15. North Korea can’t win a war, but with a million soldiers and tons of artillery pointed at Seoul they could kill hundreds of thousands before being beaten.

  16. Phantom – would you say that the US is being belligerent towards Iran? The reason why I ask is that the movements of US-military Inc’s naval fleets are a matter of record and they show two and often three carrier forces in and around Iran, a country which has invaded no other country for centuries.

  17. Colm – if Iran is a problem for Israel then Israel is a bigger problem for Iran. Then again, one of these countries regularly runs exercises targetting the capital cities of western Europe: do you know which one it is? That country is clearly a menace to those western Europe.

    Now back to the question of 10.34pm – any takers?

  18. All the other Gulf countries want us there

    That would be the ‘democracies’ of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain? Strangely enough, I read that peaceful demonstrators were shot in the streets of these allies of the world’s protector of democracy.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/teenager-shot-dead-in-bahrain-protest-against-us-backed-monarchy/5323065

    Security forces shot to death a 16-year-old boy in Bahrain Thursday, while scores of other people were wounded and arrested in mass protests against the US-backed monarchy

  19. I also agree with Allan’s 10:34pm.

    My government is unnecessarily belligerent towards Iran.

  20. Daphne – “my government”? Do you believe that the US government represents you or has any concern for you? I know for certain that the UK government has no concerns for me at all and I consider it to be utterly unworthy of my esteem. I withdraw my consent to be represented by it.

  21. Oh please. So world weary aren’t we.

    Iran is a prime sponsor of terrorism and is a major danger to the region.

    The Islamic Republic has rebuffed all the many efforts at rapprochment since the Carter Administration.

  22. Phantom

    I don’t care much for the Iranian regime but I don’t see how it is a threat to the USA. What actual efforts of rapprochement has the US made to it in recent years ?

  23. Phantom – the US is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and is a major danger to the world. After all, US forces are everywhere – how many bases in how many countries? With Iran now completely surrounded, who is threatening whom?

  24. Yeah, that would be a no Allan. I’m well aware that my government doesn’t have any real concern for my individual well-being.

    Phantom, Iran is not a world sponsor of terrorism and no threat to our country from any military standpoint. Our best friend allies in SA, Bahrain, UAE, Pakistan, etc. are the undeniable ideological sponsors and financial backers of islamic terrorism. The sunni oil sheiks fund this crazy religious shit and we turn a jaundiced blind eye, finding it easier to demonize less lucrative regimes that offer no open market or preferred financial incentives for the KBR’s, Halliburton’s and Exxon-Mobil’s that make up a trifecta of the most influential congressional lobbying efforts vying for a larger slice of taxpayer dollars.

    I think your emotions are being manipulated by the tragedy of 9/11 on behalf of corporate greed and political expediency.

  25. Oh there’s no manipulation.

    Iran is a significant supporter of both Hamas and Hezbollah, and if those groups aren’t terrorist, then Allan’s a Hadassah Lady.

    Colm

    Obama made public overtures to Iran as soon as he got in
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1887133,00.html

    The Iranians do not want any good relations. This is why they’ve rejected a number of other overtures since Jimmy Carter’s day.

  26. “I know for certain that the UK government has no concerns for me at all and I consider it to be utterly unworthy of my esteem. I withdraw my consent to be represented by it.”

    Well that’s spoilt David Cameron-Levy’s weekend Allan. Even now a Whitehall wallah is trotting off to Meseberg bearing a note in a cleft stick..

    “Terrible news Bwana! McTatters has refused his consent for your government to represent him. You must return to London immediately!”

    Oy Veh!

  27. In 1998, Iranian President Hassami, in an interview with Christine Amanpour, states that “Iran is open to discuss things in a respectable way”. President Clinton sends memo ordering discussions to be commenced with Iran. The Israeli lobby steps in to scupper that possibility.

    Here’s the interview with ex-CIA agent Gwyneth Todd who describes the US’s moves against Iran. Caveat – it’s Press TV but the narrative is clear and from source material:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_OdOpJ1lw

  28. In 2007, an American armada, troop ships, aircraft carriers, guided missile cruisers and destroyers sailed into the Persian Gulf. Their plan was to land Marines on Iranian soil, a plan hatched by Vice President Dick Cheney and White House officials including Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Clarke.

    Military command of this invasion, to be done without consultation of Congress or the United Nations was left to Vice Admiral Kevin J. Cosgriff and Admiral Will J. Fallon, both career opportunists with extremist political views, willing to do anything for promotion and the curry favour from powerful figures in US government.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/sunk/2012/08/21/96209788-cebd-11e1-aa14-708bac2c7ee9_story_4.html

    When Cosgriff instructed Todd and other staff not to tell the State Department about his plan to marshal the big decks (two aircraft carriers, an amphibious helicopter assault carrier and five supporting warships) that May in 2007, Todd said, it was just too much. She immediately called a family friend at the State Department’s Iran desk. Her contact alerted superiors, according to sources familiar with events, and Cosgriff was told to stand down, at least until the critical conference with the Iranians was over. He was also told to notify the Saudis and other gulf allies before resuming the maneuver.

    Plotting war against Iran – surely not?

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