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First, the background;

A young woman is seeking  asylum in Britain after she spurned the advances of the polyamorous King Mswati III of Swaziland and refused to join his harem of 13 wives. Tintswalo Ngobeni, 22, fled to England from the southern African nation as a teenager after she caught the attention of the millionaire monarch, a notoriously oppressive ruler known for his lavish lifestyle. As part of Swazi custom, King Mswati III, 45, is permitted to choose a new bride every year.

What fascinates me is why someone from Swaziland would seek refuge in a country thousands of miles away. Are there NO other welcoming countries in between, or perhaps might it be that the UK is such a soft touch that it acts as a magnet?

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18 thoughts on “SUCKERS OF THE WORLD

  1. ‘Soft touch’ is the phrase which gets my vote, alongside the legions of bogus asylum-seekers who clean our hotel rooms, serve our coffees, man the kebab stalls and at, surprise, the Home Office.

  2. No there are no other countries for asylum seekers other than the UK.

    I mean, like what kind of social bennies does Mozambique have? London way more better.

  3. name a country in Africa or the middle east that you would want to seek asylum in…. especially a woman.

  4. I realize, not being English, I don’t have much of a say in the matter but this is one young woman who’s assylum petition I’d support if I could. She seems productive and abitious and truly in danger if her story is true. I’d be more bothered that the paedophile woman-bashing king was invited to Will and Kate’s wedding…if I were English, that is.

  5. I suppose the UK is the asylum of choice to many who would seek asylum given the benefits, the sympathetic government and process and the standard of living. The problem is that in a wicked World it simply can not hold all of the Earth’s downtrodden. It is not sustainable.

    In this case in particular, Swaziland has significant ties dating to the time it was a British protectorate, so that might add to the beacon.

    However, the West can not simply turn itself into an unregulated refuge for the entire World.

  6. A huge percentage of the population of Pakistan , and much of the population of Africa and the Muslim world is oppressed by any proper definition.

    The UK is an island nation of qbout 56 million.

    You do the math.

  7. Some interesting facts about aylum seekers:

    As of the beginning of 2012, the population of refugees, pending asylum cases and stateless persons made up just 0.33% of the UK population. That’s 193,510 refugees, 15,170 pending asylum cases and 205 stateless persons.

    The vast majority of refugees stay in their region of displacement, so that four fifths (80%) of the world’s refugees are hosted by developing countries. Pakistan hosts the highest number of refugees at 1.7million.

    UK asylum seekers come from Pakistan (4,783), Iran (3,155), Sri Lanka (2,128), Nigeria (1,428), Syria (1,289), Afghanistan (1,234), India (1,180), Albania (987), China (859) and Eritrea (764).

    With an estimated 83,400 asylum applications, the United States of America was the largest single recipient of new asylum claims among the 44 industrialised countries for the seventh consecutive year according to UNHCR 2012 Asylum Trends report. Germany was second with 64,500 asylum applications, followed by France (54,900), Sweden 43,900), and the UK(27,400).

  8. mairin2,
    For any country receiving immigrants and refugees the concern must be how many your society can absorb before you begin to distort your own society by placing your infrastructure under pressure.
    That means housing, health, hospitals, schools and employment.
    Then there are the visual differences, the clothes and culture that may be very different from our own.
    So unless carefully managed, points of stress will emerge that will make various groups retreat into themselves as happened with the Afro Caribbeans when they came over, but not so much with the Asians who came over from Uganda.
    I believe we should help people/nations who are worse off than ourselves using the “teach a man to fish” technique, but as much as possible folk should stay in their own countries.
    (And yes, I know the whites didn’t do that, but they went out primarily to explore before it turned into pillaging, slavery and domination.)

    I believe in the Church’s mission to preach the Gospel, but to do that by invitation and respecting the culture they interact with.
    Interesting that link I shared with Paul about the Yoruba people where the missionary chap had actually written down their history, culture and life styles.
    It’s right to respect other people, but to make multiculturalism in Britain work future generations will either have to insist on the supremacy of British culture and laws, or gradually erase it.

  9. That’ all well and fine A8, Asylum is granted on an individual basis and not en masse. I am only looking at this case from that POV and if true, and I had a say in the matter, I would support this woman’s case. She has lived in England for 7 years and appears to have assimilated and adopted English culture and values based on what little we know about her. Plus, her mom is there.

  10. mairin2
    but on that basis then, all anyone needs to do is find a way of getting here, staying off the authorities radar by working the black economy, marry or cohabit with a Brit, have children, then give themselves up to the authority and become a legal British citizen..
    Problem (not) solv-ed.

  11. But your scenario doesn’t match the facts of this particular case and asylum is decided on the individual facts of each case. I’m sure we’ll find out more when her case is heard on appeal.

  12. from the background link..

    “Miss Ngobeni was forced to abandon a comfortable lifestyle in a private boarding school as her aunt, who was her chief guardian, arranged the escape to England to join her mother, who moved to Birmingham five years earlier, fleeing an abusive husband.

    Since her arrival in England, Miss Ngobeni has become a vocal opponent of the oppressive Swazi regime, where political opposition parties are banned and activists routinely arrested or assaulted.
    However, Miss Ngobeni’s high-profile activities, including weekly protests outside the Swazi embassy in London with activist group Swazi Vigil, have caught the attention of the authorities in her home country and she now believes she is in more danger than ever.”

    So that’s alright then.
    Abusive husband? Flee to Britain.
    Your king has the hots for you?
    Don’t flee to a neighbouring country,
    Flee to Britain.
    Want to protest against the regime you left?
    Do it in Britain!

    Her mother left Swaziland (and her daughter) FIVE YEARS AGO!
    What made the daughter decide to stay on in that awfully oppressive contry then?
    Could it have anything to do with
    “Miss Ngobeni was forced to abandon a comfortable lifestyle in a private boarding school…”?
    There was the whole of South Africa where presumably this girl could have gone for safety.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326680/King-Swaziland-wants-make-14th-virgin-bride–let-stay-UK-Womans-plea-asylum-fleeing-African-monarch.html#ixzz2TlDeKT3B
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  13. She left when she was being pursued by the pedophile king while she was still a child. otherwise she would have stayed put in her boarding school Refusing the king’s advances put her life in jeopardy and she fled for her safety. We’ll have to disagree on this A8, I think she makes a good case for asylum based on what little we know. I await the court’s decision. Thank heavens the grouchy men of ATW aren’t sitting in judgment…;-P I’m away for a walk in the rain…see ya ’round.

  14. mairin2
    I am not grouchy
    at least not right now.
    I am saying that if she fled to England at 15 and is now 22 what has been her status here for the last seven years? Or am I missing something?
    Her mother fled five years earlier and so was separated from her daughter for five years?

    Anyway the point is that we have to draw a line somewhere or else everyone with a genuine or made up story will be accepted here if they can make the trip.
    This makes me grouchy and judgmental?
    Oy Veh.

  15. First, I was just teasing, I’m sorry if I offended you, A8. Other commenters wouldn’t consider her for asylum, not just you. Drawing the line is what asylum is all about A8…I think she’s within asylum boundaries based on what we know thus far; you think she’s without. We don’t know her mother’s legal status yet as far as I know. How can a child of 15 go to S Africa on her own with no contacts? As far as I can tell for the past 18 months she’s been reporting to the proper authorities pending her asylum case. I’m curious what she was doing from 15 to 20 years go age besides protesting abuses in her country of origin. If she was up to anything illegal or untoward, presumably, she wouldn’t have been granted an appeal…she’d already be on a plane back to where she came from. I have no horse in this race but I hope she wins her case. good night, A8…. By the time I get back, it will be well into the night in your neck of the woods.

  16. You can tease me as much as you like, mairin2.
    Subtlety is not one of my strong points, and I knew you didn’t mean just me.
    We shall agree to disagree because you are both reasonable and agreeable. 🙂
    Now if it had been a grouchy old man disagreeing with me, it might have been a different matter..

  17. Mairin

    I agree with your first post on ths thread but also with Phantoms. I view asylum seeking in a totally different light to common or garden immigration but there is an issue if they all come here.

  18. I agree with you, Aileen. Immigration is different from asylum. I think Phantom’s post applies more to immigration than asylum. He asked for the maths…and asylum seekers are a very small portion when compared with immigrants and the decision to grant it is much more specific.

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