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CBS: According to a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, up to 20 percent of American children are suffering from mental disorders such as attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), anxiety, depression and autism.

Total cobblers, in part because ADHD doesn’t exist. The piece goes on:

The CDC data was collected between 1994 and 2011, and it shows that the number of children being diagnosed with mental disorders has been steadily growing. The study did not conclude exactly why the numbers are increasing.

Probably there are a number of reasons why increasing numbers of children have been diagnosed with mental disorders. Sitting them in front of electronic babysitters can’t be doing young minds any good, but it’s a massive leap from filling their heads with mush to a mental disorder. In the end I’m still persuaded by Dr Thomas Szasz’s explanation, that the problem is an epidemic of psychiatry. It’s a very lucrative epidemic for armies of pill-pushers.

 

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67 thoughts on “CDC: 1-IN-5 AMERICAN CHILDREN MAY HAVE MENTAL DISORDER

  1. That ADHD or autism are “mental” disorders is bollocks!
    That it does not exist is also bollocks!

    I don’t think mine can be put down to “electronic” babysitters unless we’re talking about the radio as we didn’t get TV until I was about 7 or 8.

    But then my nonexistent ADD was more generally with nonexistent Hypoactivity, with occasional swings into non existent Hyperactivity. This is alongside my, no doubt, nonexistent dyspraxia and non existent autism spectrum.

    I hope my nonexistent bronchitis would hasten on its way. Or perhaps that is accepted as it comes with a cough! Actually in terms of medication and drugs companies, the bronchitis is the only thing I have taken anything for.

  2. I bet that I would have been classified as having ADHD.

    It goes with the territory of being a child, esp a boy child.

    Every behavior trait that someone doesn’t like is a ” medical condition ” now it apears.

    I’ll largely agree with Pete here.

    Pills are the easy way out. Many who take them never stop taking them.

  3. Phantom

    Perhaps with a sloppy assessor but if you haven’t got it you haven’t got it. It is NOT just being a wilfully unruly child. That sloppy people make sloppy judegements does not mean that the condition does not exist. Also it is not just a child’s condition.

  4. Aileen –

    These “ADHD” children.

    Put them on proper food for a couple of weeks, along with plenty of fresh air and exercise.

    No more “ADHD”.

  5. Pete

    What`s your take on the measles epidemic? I`m guessing that you are not a fan of the MMR vaccine.

  6. Pete

    Bollocks!

    I had plenty of good food fresh air air (apparently as a child I hated being indoors) and exercise when young.

    The ignorance about ADHD is massive (and yes including GPs). It is NOT about being unruly. It is about your brain working a different way. Eg for some people they cannot think clearly when sitting down. That can be both in terms of learning something or working something out.

    Also no more ADHD could also mean less innovation and creativity.

  7. Peter – measles epidemic? Is measles a serious illness? According to the British Medical Journal in 1959 (before corporate ‘vaccines’ and nutrition-free food), measles is..

    http://www.informedparent.co.uk/mmr/measles-hits-the-headlines-again

    …..considered as a relatively mild and inevitable childhood ailment that is best encountered any time from 3 to 7 years of age. Over the past 10 years there have been few serious complications at any age, and all children have made complete recoveries. As a result of this reasoning no special attempts have been made at prevention even in young infants in whom the disease has not been found to be especially serious. –

    – We make no attempt to prevent the spread of measles, and would only use gamma globulin to mitigate the severity of the disease in the case of the exposure of a susceptible adult or child who is already severely debilitated. Bed rest, for seven davs for moderate and severe cases and of five to six days in mild cases, seems to cut down the incidence of such complications as secondary bacterial otitis media and bronchopneumonia. We have not been impressed by the prophylactic or therapeutic use of antibiotics and sulphonamides in the first week of the disease. As soon as the patient is out of bed we allow him out of doors almost regardless of the weather. Otitis Media and Bronchopneumonia.-These conditions often appear so early, sometimes even before the rash, that in such cases one can only conclude that the responsible agent is the virus itself. Despite their initial alarming severity, they tend to resolve spontaneously, and treatment apart from first principles seems useless. When, on the other hand, otitis media or bronchopneumonia comes on after the subsidence of the initial symptoms of measles, it is probably due to a secondary bacterial invader, and we find antibiotics or sulphonamides useful…..-

    Now Peter, I’m going to be linking to information about vaccines, including MMR, and you’re going to discuss the information therein – agreed?

  8. Peter –

    I’m not convinced yet that there was a measles “epidemic”. No doubt there were some cases, but doubt is being thrown upon the reported numbers. I won’t link to anything because my mind’s open about it for now and I want to see conclusions. Either there was no epidemic, or there was, which might bring into question the effectiveness of MMR.

    Speaking of which, I’m not a fan simply because parents should have a choice instead of having one state-mandated solution imposed on them and their children. Regardless of claims about MMR causing autism and other conditions (which I can’t comment on), there should be a choice.

  9. CBS: According to a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, up to 20 percent of American children are suffering from mental disorders

    Opposed to the American politicians, who happen to be adult, where the figure increases to 100% 😉

    The same figure without a shadow of doubt applies to the ‘Mother of all Parliaments’ in Great Britain … and all the mental inmates at Brussels.

    20%? .. Pah, they are just playing at it.

  10. The parents should -absolutely – not have absolute power on things like this. They do not own the child, any more than the state does. And diseases may impact the broader society, not only one nuclear family.

  11. Phantom –

    From your link:

    “French child psychiatrists don’t use the same system of classification of childhood emotional problems as American psychiatrists. They do not use the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.”

    Szasz, in my post, briedly explains the explosion of disorders listed in the DSM. Since cancer and flu and arthritis are are same, whether in France or the US, yet ADHD are significantly different in both countries, and treated differently, there seems to be a problem with the diagnosis somewhere.

  12. Yep.

    I suspect that the French are more correct. I have great suspicion on much use of antidepressants. At best, they may be an easy way out, a crutch.

  13. The parents should -absolutely – not have absolute power on things like this. They do not own the child, any more than the state does

    I do believe that you are absolutely incorrect there, the State ‘owns’ your children far more than you might think.

    Social Services do not have the intitials ‘SS’ for nothing you know.

  14. Phantom

    Annoying headline. If French kids didn’t have ADHD then why is the diagnosis not zero as opposed to less than 5 %.

    My guesstimate and the figure I tend to use is round about 5% in any random population (including adults) has ADD, about the same % has dyspraxia and about the same dyslexia and maybe a bit more has significant ASD. With the massive overlaps we have an overall % of 10 with one or more of them.

    The US figure of 9% seems very high but then apparently you don’t really diagnose dyspraxia and your dyspraxics get diagnosed as ADD.

  15. Pete

    Problem with diagnosis very likely. That is a long long way from the condition not existing.

  16. Phantom

    Also I suspect that the French may be on the wrong lines re cause but probably on the right lines re management. It is not caused by socio etc etc but stress exacerbates the manifestations and relieving stress helps with managing most conditions. If it can be managed without medication then that is all to the good. I know of one couple with an ADHD son who use Ritalin during school weeks but they take him off it at weekends and holidays. He is appantly a nightmare when off it. Of course I don’t know if he would be that bad if he was not coming off Ritalin. Apparently e was a nightmare before they started him on it.

  17. ‘Ritalin’

    Bollocks to the Pharmas… bring back Borstal 😉

    They are not ‘Mental’ .. they are little shits

    Goodnight

    It’s not rocket science, why do the righteous make it so?

    ‘Socialism’ .. now that’s real ‘Mental illness’

  18. ADHD ..

    Is about as real as ‘Swine flu’ 😉 or second hand smoke (insert latest Guvmint scare story) .. whatever

    Or

    Global warbling warming

  19. Aileen

    Hopefully they don’t take him off it for the weekend without discussing with the doctor

    My understanding is that you must take great care in withdrawing use of these very powerful mind altering drugs. Withdrawal must be very gradual or it can be traumatic, harmful

  20. Pete

    It is a neurological condition. It is real. It is actually a misnomer and most likely termed by some idiot neurotypical (90% of the population) who has the sloppy use of language typical of the neurotypical. It is not about a deficit of attention. It is about a deficit of CONTROL. of attention. Hyperfocusing is as much a characteristic as lack of concentration.

  21. //There’s nothing wrong or physically damaged in your head. //

    How do you know?

    Do you think you know enough about neurotransmitters and the vast complexity of the brain and all its processes to say there is nothing wrong there?

    Tour de force by Aileen at 8:00 p.m.

  22. //Hyperfocusing is as much a characteristic as lack of concentration.//

    Very good. Had never thought of that. Most kids with the condition have no problem concentrating at length on certain things.

  23. Noel –

    ADHD is fairytale stuff.

    Aileen –

    For a neurological condition to exist, there must be physical damage. What is the physical damage that you’ve been diagnosed with?

  24. //For a neurological condition to exist, there must be physical damage.//

    “Damage” maybe isn’t the right word, but let’s say “disorder”.

    Now, as I asked before, how you you know there isn’t some physical disorder present?
    A physical disorder can, remember, be in the electro-chemical processes in the brain. How do you know, or what makes you think, they are performing the same as in a non-sufferer?

  25. Pete

    Wrong. if you mean damage as in an injury. Some nuerological conditions can be caused by actual brain injury (eg acquired dyspraxia). The way my brain works (in some aspects on the 99 percentile) and in some ways way below (on the 10 percentile!) is potentially a mixture of heredity (thanks Dad! ) and stuff going on in the womb but I think much more the former.

  26. One way I heard it explained (a tad fancifully but it kinda resonated). For normal people (and I reject the notion that normal equal worthy) in a brain transaction can go straight from A to B. We go from A to P to Q to Z to G and then on to B. Our path was not efficient but we saw lots along to way and opened up many more paths.

    There is also the issue of the connections between the right and left brain , which also tends to be inefficient. Gordon Turnball who is probably the world’s leading expert on PTSD was telling me that there were probably major implications for dealing with trauma. So much language of trauma talks about victims having to ” process” the trauma or experience. The thinking is that one side of the brain runs the video whilst the other side does the editing and making sence of it. If your connections are dodgy and less effective then that editing process will not be as effective.

    Poor short term memory is another common ND problem. I have a pretty highly speced brain but crap RAM!

  27. Aileen is correct…there need not be damage for a neurological diagnosis…just a deviance from ‘the norm’…and please don’t cyber yell at me for using ‘norm’.
    Getting back to the orignal post…why do so many kids diagnosed with ADD or ADDH have birthdays in December? The answer explains why there are so many misdiagnoses.

  28. Pete Moore and Allan

    Measles would have been eliminated from the UK if had not been for the hysterical anti-MMR campaign whose evidence has been totally discredited for a decade. Well done to the anti-science jihadists.

  29. Ha! Aileen, I didn’t read your post about ‘normal’ before writing my own…we’re on the same page there. As for PTSD….the dodgy connections theory explains why some people who experience the same trauma at the same time develop PTSD and others do not…similarly, children…who don’t necessarily have ‘dodgy’ connections but just undeveloped ones and experience trauma develop ‘different brains’ as MRIs show.

  30. Harri

    So reassuring to know I have been just imaging it – all of my life, for most of which it was not diagnosed.

  31. Pete what a load of bollixs!

    ADD and ADHD are very real and unless properly managed can be crippling to the afflicted.

    Many’s a poor child was walloped and battered for ‘bad behaviour’ when they were seriously afflicted with an imbalance.

    That’s not to say there is not over-medication- there is.

    Enjoy your few beers tonight. 🙂

  32. I know a man choking to death from second-hand smoke caused emphesemsa.

    You should tell him your theory, harri!

  33. Mairin

    I though you must have written it before reading my comment. Or else you are a quick typer:)

    “normal” is one of those things I have thing about. I often have people getting their undies in an uproar on online discussions where I have commented that homosexuality is not normal or defended someone else for saying it. It is to me a manifestation of the intolerance of difference. This intolerance of the difference of my tribe (Aspies, ADDers Dyspraxics) has been more of a problem than the conditions themselves. (I exclude dyslexia as ths seems to have become almost chic!). The world would be a poorer place without these conditions. There is a strong correlation with innovation etc. I would love to take a pill that would zap all the downsides, eg I would have control of my concentration, that my coordination would be ok enough for me to drive, that I could tolerate artificial light and high temperatures and that my organisation and short term memory was better but I wouldn’t want to lose the upsides, the creativity and my mathematical logical bent. (Maths professors are disproportionately Aspy).

  34. The former editor of the DSM will be (it might have come out already) publishing a book about the overdiagnosis of ADD/ADDH. It has been apparently been overdiagnosed in the US.

  35. Aileen, I am well, thanks for asking. Yourself?

    Apart from larnin’ that Pete some things?

    🙂

  36. I love the creativity part of the people with Aspergers/ADDers/Dyspraxics. Too often their abilities aren’t seen as creative…compared with those whose dominance is the other side of the brain…the ‘artsy’ side and are often viewed as ‘more creative’. It’s all about perspective. I work in a company that is filled with math/science-dominated brains…love it!

  37. I’m glad Pete and Harri weren’t in control of my reasonable adjustments at work re the Disability Discrimination Act.

    I was struggling in the middle of an open plan office with a harsh light above me. I was drowning in sensation and could not concentrate on anything and go so stressed that my stomach acid rose up and seeped into my voice box. I had a dreadful sick record from stress. I was pleading to have screens round my desk and to disable the light. After years of struggling I eventually got the screens and the light disabled and a few more adjustments and my stress disappeared and my voice got back to normal and I went for two years with no sickness. Also, when not battling with distractions and with a boss that got me, my innovations in my specialism got recognition outside the organisation and contributed to our team of four winning the European Team of the Year 2008 (big do in Paris).

    But then it was all in my imagination.

  38. Aileen –

    For normal people in a brain transaction can go straight from A to B. We go from A to P to Q to Z to G and then on to B. Our path was not efficient but we saw lots along to way and opened up many more paths.

    There is also the issue of the connections between the right and left brain … So much language of trauma talks about victims having to ” process” the trauma or experienc … Poor short term memory is another common ND problem. I have a pretty highly speced brain but crap RAM!

    That’s alot of talk about nebulous symptoms, but what is your physical diagnosis?

    If you have a broken leg, a physician can point to your broken bone. If you have liver disease, a physisican can show diseased liver cells. What is mechanically broken that causes your ADHD? What can a physician point to as physical proof?

  39. pinky –

    “Many’s a poor child was walloped and battered for ‘bad behaviour’ when they were seriously afflicted with an imbalance.”

    An imbalance of what?

  40. Pinky

    I am on cloud 9. On the minus side I have had flu!bronchitis since early March and I’m p’d off with it.

    On the other hand I am about to retire and have only five working days left. Two days next week and two the week after and then two half days. Sort if pertinent to this thread but my conditions have made traditional employment very tiring (even with screens). A couple of friends have their own business and as I have worked with them in the past they know my strengths. I got a call from one the other day saying he was negotiating work in Siberia and “are you prepared to travel?” So I have the prospect of the end of my struggles but also work that I can choose and which will align with my strengths but without having to cut accross my (non existant disabilities 🙂

  41. Pete

    So if a doctor can’t point to something there is nothing wrong?

    Assessments for these conditions are based on taking a history which would show any of the established problems. In my case it also involved the WAIS test. Also observation and how you respond to extra stimulus.

  42. “So if a doctor can’t point to something there is nothing wrong?”

    If something is wrong then it can be identified and explained.

    As usual with ADHD, it seems to come down to the aura’s frequency being out of kilter with the universe, or some such thing.

  43. Mairin

    Let’s hear it for the nerds!

    I wrote a wee paper a few years ago advocating a strengths based employment model as opposed to a cult of mediocrity that we all too often have. ND people tend to be a bit rubbish at being mediocre as we tend to be really good at a few things and spectacularly crap at many, including the things that normal people think are easy. A mediocrity model where you focus development on weakness not strenghts is poor for everyone, exceot the mediocre but disaster for my tribe. I may send it to David to start a thread on.

  44. Pete

    It is identified. It just isn’t pointed to.

    One of the manifestations is distractability to the point of not being able to work in an open plan office and needing screens.

    If my aura was merely outvof kilter with the universe, I doubt if it would have stressed me so much as to have my stomach acid seeping into my voice box!

  45. Pete

    Is your problem that there is not total certainly as to the cause? That would be pathetic. Something doesn’t exist until medical science has pinned down what causes it!

    The set of symptoms is real and not just “is the child running amok?”

  46. Peter –

    Don’t bang on about about science and the scientific method and scientific evidence, and then come in with “pathetic”.

    Come on: what is the physical cause of ADHD? I don’t want nebulous stuff about symptoms, what is the physicial diagnosis?

  47. Mairin

    I’ll email it to David and if he doesn’t put it up, I’ll ask him to email it to you 🙂

  48. Harri: Is about as real as ‘Swine flu’

    Indeed. In addition to being about as real as ‘HIV’, ‘Cancer’, ‘Gastroenteritis’ etc.

  49. Aileen — I’d like to read that paper too. And I wish you a happy and peaceful retirement.

  50. //If something is wrong then it can be identified and explained.//

    Such absolute faith in medical science is touching.

    What you’re saying is that, as medical science can explain many things, anything it can’t explain doesn’t exist.

    That’s bad enouch in itself, but the corollary is that the further back in the past we go, the less was known and therefore the fewer medical conditions existed then.

  51. Pete, I agree that these various disorders have been over diagnosed and unnecessarily medicated for a variety of reasons. Sloppy parenting, ignorant teachers, bad doctors, unscrupulous marketing by pharmaceutical companies to name the most obvious examples.

    But these disorders definitely do exist and are treatable with unique combinations of environmental and dietary changes in tandem with drug regimes that are specifically tailored to the individual.

    My middle son is on the mild side of the Aspy spectrum and suffers from low level hearing loss, a combination that makes it extremely difficult for him to succeed in loud, chaotic classrooms. His third grade teacher suggested he might have ADHD, I thought she was nuts, but asked our pediatrician for his opinion during the boy’s next physical.

    Our doctor asked a good fifteen minutes worth of pointed questions and said the only way to determine an accurate diagnosis of ADHD was through a brain scan and that he wouldn’t suggest or proscribe medication before seeing definitive results.

    Our doctor may be a professional rarity, but his acknowledgement of the existence of these disorders eliminated all of my prior skepticism.

    Keeping an open mind isn’t a bad thing, Pete.

  52. Daphne — Put that paediatrician in touch with Pete. He’ll put him right.

    Noel: “Now, as I asked before, how you you know there isn’t some physical disorder present? A physical disorder can, remember, be in the electro-chemical processes in the brain. How do you know, or what makes you think, they are performing the same as in a non-sufferer?”

    I notice that question was skipped over!

  53. But these disorders definitely do exist and are treatable with unique combinations of environmental and dietary changes in tandem with drug regimes that are specifically tailored to the individual.

    It is an excellent business model: use your products (vaccines) to create a life-time market for the other products of the range.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/75333.php

    The survey, commissioned by Generation Rescue, compared vaccinated and unvaccinated children in nine counties in Oregon and California. Among more than 9,000 boys age 4-17, the survey found vaccinated boys were two and a half times (155%) more likely to have neurological disorders compared to their unvaccinated peers. Vaccinated boys were 224% more likely to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), and 61% more likely to have autism.

    For older vaccinated boys in the 11-17 age bracket, the results were even more pronounced. Vaccinated boys were 158% more likely to have a neurological disorder, 317% more likely to have ADHD, and 112% more likely to have autism.

    I’m sure that ADHD exists though as a spectrum which is open to wide interpretation, whereas autism definitely exists particularly when a child is OK then, after a certain vaccination, regresses and is incapable of learning.

  54. As an aside, I don’t understand the rogue libertarian mindset that vehemently rejects vaccinations. It strikes me as an irrational embrace of magical thinking.

    Ironically, many people on atw would describe all libertarians as deluded magical thinkers. This twerpy mindset on vaccs and mental disorders doesn’t help further their political agenda.

  55. ADHD does exist but is a convenient catch all for poor parenting, no boundaries and no consequences.
    But faced with a swearing, kicking, screaming brat smashing up your consulting room, how many doctors or paediatricians are going to turn around to a parent and say,
    “Your child needs a smack and you need to shape up!”

    They’ll prescribe Ritalin instead. It’s easier.

    In working with disturbed abused children over 15 years, my wife reckons none of the children who were sent to them from local authorities diagnosed as suffering from ADHD. Within a few months of firm boundaries, non physical consequences and care, the children would settle down.

    Not to say that there aren’t other conditions like hyperactivity or defense mechanisms (such as poohing and smearing), but children will take whatever leeway you afford them, and some adults will get rich on “treating their condition.”

  56. Noel –

    “What you’re saying is that, as medical science can explain many things, anything it can’t explain doesn’t exist.”

    What I’m saying is that if a physical diagnosis can’t be made, head quacks shouldn’t be giving names to disorders and recommending powerful drugs.

    “Now, as I asked before, how you you know there isn’t some physical disorder present? A physical disorder can, remember, be in the electro-chemical processes in the brain. How do you know, or what makes you think, they are performing the same as in a non-sufferer?”

    (To calm Tarasov, I’d have answered this if I’d seen it.)

    So what is the physical diagnosis for ADHD? If you’re alluding to those chemical imbalances, no-one has ever been diagnosed with such a condition. It’s a myth. There’s no scientific evidence to support it.

    I do love how a number of the AGW-evolution-science-explains-it crowd are suddenly relaxed about scientific and evidential standards when it comes to the mass drugging of children.

  57. Daphne –

    “But these disorders definitely do exist and are treatable with unique combinations of environmental and dietary changes in tandem with drug regimes that are specifically tailored to the individual.”

    Well you’re half agreeing with me there about environment and diet.

    “Our doctor asked a good fifteen minutes worth of pointed questions and said the only way to determine an accurate diagnosis of ADHD was through a brain scan and that he wouldn’t suggest or proscribe medication before seeing definitive results.”

    So what is the physical diagnosis? Can someone please tell me? A brain scan must be able to show something wrong if a scan is required.

    The industry is nowhere near agreeing what it’s about. This is absurd.

    Even the man who did so much to identify and promote ADHD poured alot of cold water on it, calling it, to some extent, “a fabricated disorder”.

    And check out the exchange with Dr Jerome Kagan of Harvard below it in which he describes ADHD as “an invention”. He goes on to say that “if a drug is available to doctors, they will make a corresponding diagnosis”.

    Well there are drugs for everything now, so it’s easy for simply unruly behaviour to be pathologised without any justification.

  58. Pete, medicine, and science in general, can establish the presence of some phenomena – good or bad – by observing their effects, the same as we all do, even if the exact mechanisms can’t for the moment be described or explained.

    In fact, a lot of the history of science has been the search for analytic explanations for an observed phenomena.

    In this case, a lot of the brain is still a black box. However, its output can be observed and we can infer from that the kind of processes that must be taking place within.

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