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TAKING WHAT LITTLE THEY HAVE

By Pete Moore On May 24th, 2013

A gang of thugs can’t even leave the homeless with their sleeping bags and food.

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When you see government do something, it’s always important to ask yourself if it would be right, or acceptable, for you to do it also. If an act is wrong for you to do, then it’s also wrong for government to do.

If you or I forcibly took the food and sleeping bags from the homeless, we would be thieves and rightly condemned. Probably we would be prosecuted. That others get together and call themselves “government” does not mitigate the act. That the magic word “government” provides a shield of immunity for thugs and thieves is simply more evidence that “government” is intrinsically evil.

 

 

50 Responses to “TAKING WHAT LITTLE THEY HAVE”

  1. Unlike in New York, was there not a Cop who actually bought a Homeless ex-military guy some expensive boots .. not steal what the poor sod had left in the World.

    Poor old Blighty, fings aint what they used to be

  2. Yes, a soft target for the bizzies.

  3. I think I told people the story of my father and I missing the last ferry from Tilbury to Gravesend many years ago. My Dad decided we should go to Tilbury Nick and see if we could get locked up for the night.
    They didn’t want to know so in early February we slept on s building site..
    My admiration for the police has always been tempered by a certain cynicism.

  4. Around four years ago I was walking down the street here in June and there was this homeless guy lying sleeping on one of the street benches. He was wearing a baseball cap and had a carton of wine beside him. As I was approaching this well dressed businessman type guy carrying a laptop type bag was approaching him from the other direction.

    The well dressed guy walked up to the sleeping homeless guy, made sure he was asleep . . . . and promptly stole his baseball cap!!

    I was so stunned I couldn’t speak to say something to him.

  5. Paul

    You should have nicked the cap off him.

  6. “Around four years ago I was walking down the street here in June..”

    As in here, Pamplona?

  7. LOL Peter.

    Yeah, Pamplona.

  8. Good for the cops. Why is that 34 year old man “homeless”? He can’t work?

    A brief search of the location reveals many facilities and programs for the “Homeless”. In this instance it looks like the cops were removing those who want to set up their own dumps in public places. You want transients, bums, winos, drug addicts and lunatics deciding they can set up shop wherever they please?

  9. The parks are meant to be there for the recreational use of all.

    Should there by any limits on what people may do in parks? Should there be any limits on the rights of people to sleep or to establish permanent camps in the city parks?

    How many here have taken children to play or have had nice picnics in a homeless camp set up in a park?

    If you go to places like Macarthur Park in Los Angeles – yes the same one from the lovely Richard Harris song – you will see a park that stinks of piss, that has long been taken over by homeless. The people of Los Angeles lost the effective use of that park ages ago. Just as the people of NYC lost the effective use of Zucotti Park when the ” Occupy ” people confiscated it from the public, before they were rightfully expelled.

    The parks are there for everybody. They’re not someone’s f*** house, or their toilet either.

    It is interesting that this post comes from one who would deny one penny of publicly funded social services to the homeless.

    If anyone here lets the homeless sleep on their property, please raise their hands. If you don’t, please tell me why they should have a ” right ” to sleep on the public’s property.

  10. Mahons,
    we can not like our towns and cities being filled with out of workers, but that doesn’t mean we have to be cruel or unkind to them.
    When I lived in Wolverhampton there was a little clump of bushes and trees growing on a very busy dual carriage way (two laner each way) and there was an old Polish man had been living in there since the 1950s. Local people who knew him used to bring him food and water..
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/29/haroonsiddique

  11. Paul,
    you shoulda nicked the laptop and give the man his cap back.
    Why didn’t you?

  12. You want transients, bums, winos, drug addicts and lunatics deciding they can set up shop wherever they please?

    They already do .. and have

    It’s called Parliament.

  13. Agit8ed – Who said anyone was cruel to them? there are numerous shelters and food available to them (often at your taxpayer expense). Instead these ones want to say f u to society and they can set up their own places wherever they please.

  14. This is a pretend post based on a pretend concern for a ( very largely drug addicted or crazy ) population that doesn’t have to be in the parks at all.

    Oh, let’s pretend to be Mother Teresa, its so nice. Oh the humanity.

  15. No,
    I disagree.
    Our government let them in, some of them found work some didn’t.
    As I have said before, it’s down to our government. If I were a poor American “down and outer” (a bit like yourself) I would head for Britain too.
    My first time in Israel like a lot of other kids I was sleeping tough in sleeping bags behind public buildings or on the beach (never did see that Neville Shute though..)

  16. There are ways, and then there are other ways, of doing things.

    Consider oneself very fortunate if you have never been in a position where you have little option.

    Our police don’t have to act like bombastic bullies, yet we seldom see or hear of them acting with even a modicum of compassion, initiative or common-sense.

    Of course these folks should be moved on, but to confiscate the few belongings they have and need, is nothing short of spiteful and nasty.

    Where is the ‘human rights’ crap we hear so much about, when it’s really needed? You will note that the fella in the pic doesn’t look very foreign, does he?

    I would have thought that to show a little compassion to those in great need might well be a good way to build bridges between the police and those who are perhaps most likely to fall foul of the law at some later date.

  17. The cops have arrested people for making comments after the death on Wednesday……!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/24/lee-rigby-murder-facebook_n_3333070.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

  18. Phantom,
    “Oh, let’s pretend to be Mother Teresa, its so nice. Oh the humanity.

    You mean this isn’t you?

    http://hoffman.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/000-homeless/G00005LF5IHFVAlA/I00001hl3ihsBr6E

    I thought the insurance thing was only a sideline..

  19. Very well said, Ernest.

  20. Phantom,

    Do I detect a certain shallowness to your humnaity?

    Surely you don’t judge all to be the same? Some are undoubtedly druggees or just plain lazy, but not all are, far too many are just unfortunate, – do you not have the wit to differentiate between one and the other? Is it a case of ‘too busy to bother’, or maybe you just don’t care?

    I hope I never meet you on the road to Jericho!

  21. Ask anyone who’s ever worked in a homeless shelter or in homeless services and ask them one on one.

    Go to the very large ” homeless ” camps in Los Angeles or other places on the West Coast or elsewhere incl NYC and look around.

    There are many innocent homeless – I’ve posted here about a homeless family. ( http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=26479#comments ). Who else here has spoken about that, apart from Pete’s fake concern post here?

    The post was immediately followed by Patty saying stop with the sob stories

    And by Pete whose heart bleeds for the poor saying
    I oppose tax funded government aid to families such as these. I oppose ‘tax funded government aid’ in all its forms.

    Its a complex problem. But very many homeless esp single male homeless are drug addicted or insane.

  22. Ernest is right.

    There are probably many too lethargic or destroyed to pick themselves up, but I’d say most of them simply came off the tracks at some point and weren’t able to get back on.
    Whatever, there is no reason to prejudge the men in this story. Some may have been druggies or parasites (althogh the life of the homeless is tougher than any work schedule with a warm bed at the end of it) but some may have been saints.

    We can all find the writings/music of Matt Talbot, George Orwell, Francis Thompson, Patrick Kavanagh edifying; I propose that part of their strength comes from the fact that at some point in their lives their authors were tramps.

  23. I think one man sleeping on a park bench does not constitute invasion of the park. The police should have taken him to the nearest homeless facility, not stolen his sleeping bag.

  24. Why do you say that it was just one person?

    The article speaks of more than one person.

  25. I think Pete has a point here – why take stuff from people who have so little? I have never heard of such a thing.

    I used to feed homeless in Santa Monica — the odd thing was that most of the homeless were super polite and nice as they accepted the food and toiletries – sure, some were bat-sh** crazy but everyone said “thank-you” and tried to hold it together.

    …just once can we respect the humanity of some people and recognize that taking stuff from homeless people is at best unkind?

    Phantom: my problem with you is that you EXPLOIT sob stories to make political points – Sandy Hook, for example.

  26. Yes, I know that

    a) people should never discuss gun control in the aftermath of a mass murder by gun

    b) people should never discuss gun control in the aftermath of an accidental shooting by gun

    c) people should never discuss the statistics that show lower murder / gun death rates in gun control states or countries

    d) people should never discuss gun safety, gun background checks or gun control at any other time.

    I am aware that your mind is very open to discussion of the subject.

  27. Phantom: “waving the red shirt” is a tried and true exploitive technique used primarily by the Left – it’s not a “discussion”

  28. Gun control cannot be discussed by your lot on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or on any other day .

  29. enough of this squabble, Phantom – Pete’s post is interesting and worthwhile – let’s get back to it or at the minimum free up the comment thread for others.

  30. Happy Friday

  31. Yes, holiday weekend in UK and weather tolerable. What’s not to like?

  32. Holiday weekend here and the weathers going to be cold and rainy for a barbecue.

    Bah.

  33. Phantom

    We have had the coldest spring since 1979. We had a phenomenal snowfall in March which lay for two weeks before melting. It’s hard to equate this to global warming, but there is growing evidence that the record retreat of Arctic sea-ice has screwed up the jetstream which affects all of Europe.

    The glaciers around Mount Everest are disappearing at an increasing rate. Link here

  34. Asia cracking under a record cold winter, the coldest spring since whenever, the Giro d’Italia cancelled today because of snow … yep, even the BBC is now admitting that warming has stopped.

  35. Pete

    Stop being illiterate. Global warming has not stopped, as the melting glaciers prove. One cold winter in Italy means nothing, as surely even you know? Arctic sea-ice reached a record low last September, and that record will likely be beaten this September. Glaciers are in retreat all over the planet.

  36. Happy bank holiday weekend all in the UK. It’s almost June, and I’ve still got my f**king heating on.

  37. One cold winter in Italy? Today’s stage of the Giro was cancelled because of snow. The riders have been battered by snow and cold temperatures all week.

    As well as retreating, glaciers are also advancing all over the world. That’s what they do. Up and down all the time. Here’s a tip: glaciers need precipitation to grow. Cold can diminish it. When they don’t get new snow on top, they stop growing and then retreat. Shrinking glaciers are not necessarily evidence of warming … which there hasn’t been since 1998, as even the headbangers at the BBC now have to report.

    Come on, when you’re on the far side of the BBC it’s time to return to Planet Earth.

    Here’s another tip: it’s going to get colder in the next few decades. We’re in for a mini ice age.

  38. As well as retreating, glaciers are also advancing all over the world.
    Really? Can you post a link?

    Shrinking glaciers are not necessarily evidence of warming
    So it’s global cooling that melts them?

  39. Here’s another tip: it’s going to get colder in the next few decades. We’re in for a mini ice age.

    Any links, as opposed to assertions?

  40. Pete

    Here’s one link to melting glaciers:

    Climate change has shrunk Andean glaciers between 30 and 50% since the 1970s and could melt many of them away altogether in coming years, according to a study published on Tuesday in the journal The Cryosphere. Andean glaciers, a vital source of fresh water for tens of millions of South Americans, are retreating at their fastest rates in more than 300 years,according to the most comprehensive review of Andean ice loss so far.

    Link http://www.friendsoftheirishenvironment.net/paperstoday/index.php?do=paperstoday&action=view&id=15266

  41. I was at Val Martell in the German-speaking area earlier today as I intended to see the Giro d’Italia – fitted in nicely with work. Atrocious weather so I wasn’t surprised by the cancellation but there were a lot of cyclists going up the climb nonetheless. Italian TV calls it the coldest May for 200 years, but that doesn’t prove anything other than it is probably the coldest may in Italy for 200 years.

  42. Global warming could well be a fact but one that would be swamped by another ice-age. There could be evidence for both at the same time. I remembering reading an article saying the sign of an ice-age would be winter hanging on until May. We had ground frost the other night. I wouldn’t panic over anything happening once. But football pundits, economists and climatologists can only be judged by the accuracy of their predictions.

  43. “As well as retreating, glaciers are also advancing all over the world. ”

    But most of them are retreating.

    “Here’s a tip: glaciers need precipitation to grow. Cold can diminish it”

    But it hasn’t been getting colder and precipitation has been increasing.

    “Shrinking glaciers are not necessarily evidence of warming … which there hasn’t been since 1998”

    15 year trends are for suckers, and 15 year trends from cherry picked start points are from liars.

    There’s clearly been warming over the last 30 years and more. That’s why the temperature record shows it, that’s why all that ice has taken a permanent walk, that’s why the sea level has continued rising unabated.

  44. Frank O’Dwyer –

    But temperatures have not risen over the last 15 years, which contradicts your claim that the planet is warming, which is present tense.

    I know you like to be correct, Frank, so say it: temperatures have been static for 15 years.

    Where have sea levels risen “unabated” (which is a rather loose term)? Which place? What was the pre-unabated level? When? What is the current unabated level?

  45. “Global warming could well be a fact but one that would be swamped by another ice-age. ”

    I posted my thoughts* that perhaps global warming and the melting of the ice caps may be why we in the northern hemisphere are experiencing colder weather and more overcast skies because the release of water vapour upwards has affected the jet stream (I don’t know how exactly) and the release of colder water from the melts is affecting ocean currents a la ‘The Day after Tomorrow.’
    That may mean a colder future for us up here, but I assume that once all that water has been warmed up to ambient temperatures the trends may then be towards a seriously hotter drier climate.

    *They are only thoughts, open to scrutiny and correction by more knowledgeable commentators. Just as long as they keep the language simple.

  46. Pete,

    “But temperatures have not risen over the last 15 years, which contradicts your claim that the planet is warming, which is present tense.”

    15 year trends are still for suckers and the planet is not just the atmosphere in any case.

    “Where have sea levels risen “unabated” ”

    Planet earth.

    Come visit us sometime.

  47. Agit8ed,

    “I posted my thoughts* that perhaps global warming and the melting of the ice caps may be why we in the northern hemisphere are experiencing colder weather and more overcast skies because the release of water vapour upwards has affected the jet stream”

    Something like that (arctic melt affecting the jet stream) is hypothesised by scientists also.

    The thing though is that regional predictions are very shaky compared to global ones. You can be fairly confident of some amount of (more) global warming (air and ocean) over the long run, continued ice loss and sea level rise, but what that means for regional or local weather apart from changes I don’t think anyone knows very well.

    About all you could say is it probably won’t be your dad’s or your grandad’s weather. We’re running a big, risky experiment and we (or at least future generations) are in the test tube. CO2 levels have never been this high before in all human experience, so if the weather is also bizzarre, that shouldn’t be too surprising.

  48. Frank,
    thanks for that.
    I suppose larger land masses and oceans will interact with each other simply because they warm and cool at different speeds. The sun of course is another huge factor as well as man made pollution of all kinds. There are so many variables to ponder which I find taxes the (very limited) limits of my ability to process… 🙂

  49. “Planet earth”

    The usual evidential standards then – i.e. none.

  50. ““Planet earth”
    The usual evidential standards then – i.e. none.”

    There’s plenty of evidence for sea level rise on planet earth.

    Just as there is for increasing ocean temperatures on planet earth. Yep, no ‘standstill’ since 1998 there. Just a mind boggling amount of heat.

    Even fish have figured it out. Why haven’t you?