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Irish? Of course they are Irish! With a name like Ibrihim Halawa, where else would he and his sisters be from?

 

 

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  1. By the ‘logic’ displayed here, ie the name denotes the nationality, Mike himself is Scottish, DV is French, Troll is Dutch and Pete is Irish.

  2. ‘The Republic promises to cherish all the children of the nation equally’

    Absolutely they’re Irish

  3. 1) They’re Egyptian.

    2) A one sentence post doesn’t need to take up most of the page.

  4. “That lot are about as Irish as Mo(hamad) Farah is English.”

    For once, Allan is correct (albeit by accident). Mo is a proud Englishman and “this lot” are Irish. Simples.

  5. Phantom,

    I believe they took refuge in a mosque to escape from rampaging government goons.

    As I said at the time: a coup is a coup. Whatever faceless criminals are in charge of Egypt now had no legitimacy to begin with and have even less since they started murdering their own people.

  6. If bullets started flying and general violence erupted I’d seek sanctuary for my family anywhere. I believe most would do the same.

  7. The muslim brood are arabs (Egyptian) and Mohamad Farah is African (Somali) as one can see with one’s own eyes. Simples.

  8. “The muslim brood are arabs (Egyptian) and Mohamad Farah is African (Somali) as one can see with one’s own eyes.”

    Methinks you are mixing up race and nationality. They are not the same thing…as you well know but refuse to accept.

  9. Egypt is not a democracy and it never was one.

    And it’s a stretch to say that democracy is even desirable in a country like that, where people believe in devils and cursesm, and where political discourse over the centuries has taken the form of burning a few Christians.

    I’m not sure that anyone has any legitimacy there.

    An awful lot of people in the square seemed very happy to see the back of Morsi. Who was no democrat. You will recall a few weeks ago his MB buddies were throwing people they disliked off the roofs of buildings.

    There are no Thomas Jeffersons in the Middle East.

    Import MB supporters, you import there ways.

    Be very careful.

  10. Import MB supporters, you import there ways

    Is there a possibility that people come to places like Ireland to escape those ways?

  11. Some, yes.

    For many, I doubt it.

    Living in the gutter in Dublin is better than living in Cairo. They’d all come over if you let them.

    If 40% of these imports are MB symps, what kind of extremely grave problems are you creating for future generations of Irish people?

  12. In an interview the brother said that they had taken shelter in the mosque after the Police had broken up the pro-Morsi demonstrstion that they were taking part in . The family are well known M.B. supporters .

  13. “Living in the gutter in Dublin is better than living in Cairo”

    Apparently they live in Firhouse, which is a nice area in south Dublin.

  14. “The family are well known M.B. supporters”

    As Irish as Paddy’s pig, clearly. How do these Irish men and women come to support the MB? Is there a link?

  15. Living in the gutter in Dublin is better than living in Cairo

    I’m sure that both have their positives and negatives when compared.

    If 40% of these imports are MB symps, what kind of extremely grave problems are you creating for future generations of Irish people?

    Perhaps but as you’re using a hypothetical conditional what if they’re not and are trying to leave such ways?

    The family are well known M.B. supporters .

    Is there actual proof to this allegation or is it just a baseless assumption?

  16. They sound like excellent people. Why not open the doors for 100,000 more just like them?

    Think of the cultural enrichment you will get. In spades.

  17. Well known MB supporters, and the old man is the imam of Dublin’s biggest mosque.

    Sure, they moved there for the climate.

  18. There is a serious side to this. A Lithuanian friend of mine was asked by a staff member in a Dublin social welfare office when she was ‘going home’. Confused she said Dublin was her home. He clarified what he meant. When I saw her soon after the incident she was in floods of tears. This kind of crass racism has very real consequences and causes very real hurt.

  19. Do y’all think that “immigrants ” from Egypt / Libya / Syria and other such places, should be thoroughly vetted for evidence of Muslim Brotherhood or any Islamist sympathies or connections?

    Would this be a violation of anyone’s human rights?

  20. Actually it would not be, but if you want to convince yourself that it is, or if bad law indicates that it is, go ahead and let your counties be destroyed.

    The US for many decades would not allow any Communists to immigrate to the US ( maybe they still ban them, but maybe the policy has since lapsed, now that there really is no Communist threat anymore ) There were very sound reasons for that policy, esp during the era when Communism was a force.

  21. The ignorant among us think the MB are like Al-Qaeda! In fact they are a pretty moderate social movement with no military wing or violent history. The crooks and butchers in Egypt are the ‘enlightened’ secularists; it is they who are massacring Egyptians they disagree with, it is they who ran a vicious US-backed dictatorship since 1952. Some MB and supporters protested at the Egyptian embassy in Dublin today — I joined them proudly in solidarity.

  22. Paul McMahon –

    Hussein Halawa is the father.

    1) The Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland in Clonskeagh, Dublin. Imam: Hussein Halawa

    2) Radical theologians and organisations

    The Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland is the home of the European Council of Fatwa and Research (ECFR) a foundation of Muslim Clerics and Scholars which promote the need for the religious law of Shariah to be “the absolute norm to which all human values and conduct must conform” .

    It is headed by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, an associate of the Muslim Brotherhood who described suicide-bombing attacks on Israelis as “martyrdom in the name of God”. Some of his other views are quite interesting; in his book Modern Fatwas, he says the following in relation to female circumcision: “whoever finds it serving the interest of his daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current circumstances in the modern world”. In another of his books – The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam – he says in relation to wife beating that a husband may beat his wife “lightly with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive areas”.

    Yeah, he’s a headbanger. Probably his children are also. The next generation will be twenty headbangers running around Dublin, from just one family of colonisers. Your grandchildren will avoiding the muslim areas of Dublin these pathfinders establish.

    Whether or not it’s against their human rights to profile them is irrelevent. They simpy shouldn’t be allowed in.

  23. I’m speaking strictly legal terms Phantom, i.e. a nominal Muslim could be deemed as having ‘Islamist sympathies’ by the very fact that they in theory adhere to Islam. That’s religious descrimination.

    What would the process of vetting be?

    One of my wife’s best friends is married to an Iranian guy over here. Now, this guy was a member of a secular student group who campaigned against the revolution in ’79 as they wanted a secular state as opposed to an Islamic one. He was arrested and spent over two years in prison before escaping from prison and making it to Afghanistan during the war where he spent three years before finally making it to Europe.

    This guy would nominally be desribed as a ‘Muslum’ yet he holds a mid management engineering job, talks incessantly about soccer and Man Utd and more than once he and I have gotten blind drunk together in bars.

    Yet, under you’re vetting process he probably be banned because of prison in Iran and time in Afghanistan?

    So, how would it work?

  24. Paul

    If you have a zero immigration policy, the problem never arises.

    Failing that, you question, and you investigate, as the FBI and other agencies did in the USA.

    It isn’t brain surgery.

  25. Pete — Nowhere near as much of a headbanger as yourself or Allan. People in glass houses..

  26. Tarasov –

    When and why did revolutionaries like you take to supporting theocratic fascists?

  27. The MB are not theocratic fascists. Only deeply ignorant, deeply frightened people think so.

  28. Do you even acknowledge that they are Muslim? 🙂

    I don’t want them massacred either.

  29. Phantom — I don’t want to be patronising, but I know a lot about the MB. I’m not checking Wikipedia and chancing my arm. Is you want to engage seriously and respectfully, I’m here.

  30. I don’t claim to be an expert – seemingly everybody on these pages is an expert on everything – but, even a good many years ago, well before the current troubles in Egypt, I heard counter terrorism experts say that the MB was ” the real problem “, a root cause of many of the region’s Islamist troubles. This at a time when most Europeans and Americans had never heard of the group.

  31. The MB has an interesting history and evolution. They are not my cup of tea (by a long way) but they are not the devil incarnate either.

  32. Hardly. The got into bed with the army, the US, Israel, and the IMF. They are stooges, not a danger to anyone outside Egypt.

  33. That was a bit disingenuous of you in your 7.01, Pete, wasn’t it?

    It is headed by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, an associate of the Muslim Brotherhood who described suicide-bombing attacks on Israelis as “martyrdom in the name of God”. Some of his other views are quite interesting; in his book Modern Fatwas, he says the following in relation to female circumcision: “whoever finds it serving the interest of his daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current circumstances in the modern world”. In another of his books – The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam – he says in relation to wife beating that a husband may beat his wife “lightly with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive areas”.
    Yeah, he’s a headbanger. Probably his children are also.

    Yusuf Al-Qaradwi may well be a headbanger, and judging by his views, he is. However, Hussein Halawa is the father of the children, and the views mentioned above aren’t attributed to him. Yet you made it look like they are. Have you any proof that he believes in the same things as Yusuf Al-Qaradwi?

    It is actually possible to hold opposing views to your colleagues, even with your religious co-leaders. You need only to look at any of the ‘Christian’ religions to see how divided they can be on controversial issues, such as female clergy or homosexual clergy.

  34. Seimi –

    It’s disingenuous to chop off one full and one half of a link. Together they demonstrate that the father is the imam of a radical islamic centre in Dublin.

  35. a radical islamic centre in Dublin

    LOL You don’t have the first idea what you’re talking about!

  36. And was he the person who wrote the book which advocates female circumcision, suicide bombing and wife-beating?

  37. Seimi –

    Quite clearly the book is not in his name, but that’s not the point of the link as you well understand. It identifies him as the imam of a radical islamist centre in Dublin. Now it looks as if our Oirish imam might be a busy chap:

    In Ireland, for example, the U.S. Embassy in Dublin recently sponsored a seminar ostensibly designed to help Muslim immigrants increase their influence within the Irish business and financial communities.

    The opening speech at the event was delivered by Imam Hussein Halawa of the Islamic Cultural Center of Ireland, despite the fact that leaked U.S. State Department cables show that the U.S. government has known for many years that Halawi is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and serves as the right-hand man of the radical Egyptian cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

    It’s looking fairly likely that this cultural enricher didn’t pitch up for the Guinness.

  38. Quite clearly the book is not in his name, but that’s not the point of the link as you well understand. It identifies him as the imam of a radical islamist centre in Dublin.

    But Pete, the way you presented it gave the impression that the thoughts expressed, even though they were quite clearly the opinions of his colleague, were his opinions. You quoted his colleague and then wrote,

    Yeah, he’s a headbanger. Probably his children are also.

    Is that not disingenuous?
    Here’s an interview he did with DCU, where he talks about 9/11, Madrid, 8/8, Sharia, about his children turning from Islam, Homosexuality, and other topics. Does he sound like a ‘radical’ to you?

    http://www4.dcu.ie/talkingheads/sheik_hussein_halawa.shtml

  39. Seimi, it looks like you’re pedantically arguing an ideological point that doesn’t serve your heartfelt interests.

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