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A WAR WITHOUT AN AIM….

By David Vance On August 29th, 2013

I supported the removal of the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. Why? Because they provided Al Queda with a base form which 9/11 was planned. I supported the liberation of Iraq from the Saddamite thugocracy. Why? Because he funded terrorism against Israel and had clear links to Al Queda. I oppose the removal of Assad by OUR forces. Why? Not our fight and the only winner would be Al Queda.

David Cameron has been made to look a fool in the pat 24 hours as he had to back track on his pledge to act immediately;

The Prime Minister has now said he will wait for a report by United Nations weapons inspectors before seeking the approval of MPs for “direct British involvement” in the Syrian intervention. Downing Street said the decision to wait for the UN was based on the “deep concerns” the country still harbours over the Iraq War. MPs had been recalled to vote on a motion on Thursday expected to sanction military action. Instead, after a Labour intervention, they will debate a broader motion calling for a “humanitarian response”. A second vote would be required before any British military involvement. This could now take place next week. In a statement on Wednesday night Downing Street said that it only wanted to proceed on a “consensual basis” and was now wary about becoming embroiled in another divisive conflict in the Middle East in the wake of Iraq.

The question that needs to be asked is what is the war aim? Obama has explicitly stated it is not regime change. So if it isn’t that., what is it? By destroying Assad’s chemical resources, assuming that can even be done, what will this result in? A weakened Assad benefits the “rebels” – the guys that kidnap and murder Catholic priests. So I repeat, what is the clear war aim? I don’t believe there is one – this is just play acting and shows how WEAK we are and how embroiled we are becoming in a region where, Israel apart, we have no friends. I say leave them to it – let Allah, not Obama, decide.

23 Responses to “A WAR WITHOUT AN AIM….”

  1. Ah what will Barry do if Cameron backs out?

    The reaction from your MPs is exactly why Obama refuses to call our Congress back. I believe I read it was Ed Miliband that backed him down.

  2. President Barack Obama promised Wednesday that any U.S. military strike at Syria would be a “shot across the bow” that avoids seeing America pulled into “any kind of open-ended conflict.”

    Speaking in a wide-ranging interview with PBS Newshour, Obama insisted he has not made a decision on how best to respond to the alleged massacre of civilians by forces loyal to Syrian strongman Bashar Assad using chemical weapons.

    But “if, in fact, we can take limited, tailored approaches, not getting drawn into a long conflict — not a repetition of, you know, Iraq, which I know a lot of people are worried about — but if we are saying in a clear and decisive but very limited way, we send a shot across the bow saying, stop doing this, that can have a positive impact on our national security over the long term,” the president said.

    That would send the Assad regime “a pretty strong signal, that in fact, it better not do it again.”

    two things: If Ole Barry has to back down one it will be better than the stupidity of fighting a war without any thought towards a meaningful end, two the embarrassment of him backing down will make making the right decision that much harder for him to swallow.

    Lets see if he is responsible enough to step back, or if his pride gets in his way.

  3. S Hussein did not support Al Queda

    The 9/11 Commission said so in its report

    Even the Bush admin said so, aftet a time

  4. //I supported the removal of the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. Why? Because they provided Al Queda with a base form which 9/11 was planned. I supported the liberation of Iraq from the Saddamite thugocracy. Why? //

    Why? – because they were started by Bush and Co, that’s why.

    The Teliban will be part of any government in the future Afghanistan, and Iraq, once they’ve stopped killing each other there, will be more a risk to the West’s interests than it was under Saddam.

  5. The major and permanent results of the Iraq War

    The overthrow of minority Sunni rule

    The essentail liberation of Iran’s Kurds

    Delivering Iraq to the Iranian sphere of influence and thus increasing Iranian and Shia power.

  6. //The essentail liberation of Iran’s Kurds//

    Actually, they had been liberated much earlier. During the 1st Gulf War, in 1991, they staged an uprising and drove the Iraqi forces out of their territory, creating a de-facto free state. Iraqi forces officially left Kurdistan in October 1991.

    This returns to a point I made a few days ago. If Bagdad was not even able to control half its own country (Saddam also lost control of another huge chunk in the south), it was definitely not in any position to threaten its neighbours with invasion, which was one of the excuses for Bush’s war, I believe.

  7. I don’t understand why Saddam funding terrorism against Israel is a reason for the USA and UK to invade Iraq. Surely it’s Israel’s responsibility to deal with that. The israeli government at the time didn’t support the invasion- as they considered Iran to be more dangerous and Iraq was a counterweight against that.

  8. Phantom the Iraq battle was won, ans we would have permanant bases there and it would not be under the influence of Iran if Obama hadn’t refused to even send a negotiator to finalize the mission.

    You can’t rewrite fact. Obama refused to negotiate as he ripped every troop out of Iraq.

    Just as the democrats hung the South Vietnamese out to dry, Obama did the same to everyone that supported us in Iraq.

    and just like SV people are dying as a result.

    Bush never said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, he said it was a supporter of terror. It was also the strategic lynchpin to our future capabilities in that region. It was deep water port. It was supposed to be our supply line, but that would mean we would have to keep people there, and Obama and the rest of the Left couldn’t stomach the reality of the world as it stands today.

    Obama was going to have them all loving us, we need no stinking bases…. How’s that working?

  9. Ross it’s called the War on TERROR not the war on a particular country, it was designed to be fluid to strike ANY nation that supports, aids, or facilitates terrorist activity.

    Personally I thought it also put the ROI in jeopardy… 🙂

  10. The French just dropped their guns… what a shock.

    Barry is now all by his lonesome

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/29/us-syria-crisis-hollande-idUSBRE97S0CU20130829

  11. Iraq was tilting to Iranian sphere of influence well before Obama took office.

    Al Maliki’s government is now neither a US ally nor are they our foe.

    We turned Iran’s greatest enemy off the board.

    If the Iranians had any sense of irony, they’d name a street after GW Bush.

  12. There was always a strong Iran contingent in Iraq what was that fat bastards name I can’t think of it he kept going to Iran.

    The plan was for 3 bases, the Iraqis wanted to negotiate for additional payment, it is part of their culture. Obama blew them away when not only wouldn’t he negotiate, he told them he didn’t want the bases.

    It change the whole set of results.

  13. The Iraqi culture can bite my ass.

    We paid a lot in blood and treasure to free the likes of Al Maliki

    They owe us, and not vice versa.

    We, with the British, should get a $10 a barrel from every sale of Iraqi oil until our war expenditures are repaid in full.

  14. I agree, but that’s not the point.

    We did not go to get the oil as the other side accused, we went to bring the fight to those that wanted to bring the fight to us.

    Why break our stuff when we can break theirs?

    Obama didn’t want those bases, it goes against his inner core.

  15. they’re saying yesterday the Air Force launched a spy satellite. It will take two days to reach orbital height. That’s deep space.

  16. The Germans did not charge us rent for the bases in Germany after we spent blood and treasure to free them.

    If the Iraqis wanted to hold us up for any rent after what we spent to save them, that’s not on.

    We are not an endless piggy bank.

    It sounds like Obama made a responsible decision, after bringing a war that he did not start to a conclusion.

  17. the war ain’t over, or haven’t you noticed?

  18. Off to go arm the public, everybody stay safe.

  19. Troll –

    Why do you keep on making it up? GWB signed the US – Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It stipulated that “U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011”.

    GWB agreed to that, not Obama. Obama withdrew US forces simply to comply with the agreement struck by GWB. Now what’s this drivel?:

    “Bush never said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, he said it was a supporter of terror. It was also the strategic lynchpin to our future capabilities in that region. It was deep water port. It was supposed to be our supply line, but that would mean we would have to keep people there, and Obama and the rest of the Left couldn’t stomach the reality of the world as it stands today.”

    My link demonstrates that this is not true. But I have to say that some of these Yanks make me laugh.

    Troll, when’s the US Navy getting out of San Diego? I hear that China requires the port as “the strategic lynchpin to its future capabilities in the region”.

    What? San Diego doesn’t belong to the Chinese? Well Iraq doesn’t belong to the US either.

  20. The Republican War Party act as though GWB never existed.

    Obama started the war, and every other bad thing.

    Republicans take responsibility for nothing.

  21. Oh bullshit Phantom.

    The terrorists that flew planes as missiles into our country killing 3000 started it.

  22. Iraq was not involved in 9/11 at all

  23. The terrorists that flew planes as missiles into our country killing 3000 started it.

    Oh sigh ;-(