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  1. $634,320,919….and the exchanges don’t even work!!

    People wait for hours and the CAN’T enroll!!!

    And Democrats think a Federal single payer monopoly will work??

    what a friggin’ joke.

    The US insurance industry pushed this catastrophe with crony monopoly strategy with liberals and now the Insurance Industry-Big Gov. Complex will destroy our wonderful medical industry.

  2. The website that Big Gov built to register people for ObamaCare – the new federal healthcare insurance plan. It cost over $634 million and opened up last week.

    I believe the address for the website is: healthcare.gov.

    They rolled it out last week and few if any have been able to enroll – glitches, bugs etc. – apparently you can’t get through – they took it off line to fix it but from the sounds of it, it is unfixable and will need major reworking….over $634 million spent!

  3. You probably won’t hear much about this computer fiasco from the MSM because – as we all know by now – most of the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama and the Dems.

    But….reality is reality…. and in this case, it bites. people notice if they are stuck in limbo trying to register or that the site is down or if their premiums for healthcare insurance double with ObamaCare.

  4. The mainstream media is so in the tank that you can only find this story on CNN, Forbes, USA Today, NY Daily News, Huffington Post…..

    It is a disgrace but sadly par for the course (the government spends billions each year on information websites that almost always have glitchs.

  5. The mainstream media is so in the tank that you can only find this story on CNN, Forbes, USA Today, NY Daily News, Huffington Post…..

    Stoooopid!!

  6. Phantom- The problem is theses things go to companies that are better at getting government contracts than they are at creating websites. It has been a plague on every administration and a part of the process that really needs reform (along the lines of your suggestion).

  7. lol.

    I’d say there’s a little bit more than a “glitch” wrong with that government website!

    Coming soon with the Dems’ dream of government health insurance monopoly, single payer:

    Big Gov. control over 16% of GDP1 — with the same “expertise” as this website!

  8. Petr: you are misusing the code word “stoooopid!”

    it is to be used when someone engages in PERSONAL invective – not discussion of political issues like the obvious left wing slant of the MSM or the corruption and incompetence of the federal government

  9. So this means that you are going to stop using out of context use of ” socialist ” ” statist ” and ” leftist ” as curse words against those who you don’t like?

    Or will you call yourself stupid when you do so?

  10. so “socialist”, “statist” and “leftist” are bad words for you?

    interesting…..I think you should own your political views, dude. don’t hide from who you are…

    but if it helps your feelings:

    If you support statism – I probably will call you a statist. but if it makes you feel better, I’ll try to not call you, the person, a statist – just your argument.

    if you support socialism – I probably will call you a socialist. but if it makes you feel better, I’ll try not to call you, the person, a socialist – just your argument.

    if you argue like a leftist, probably will point out that you sound like a leftist.

    and i will continue to lump “leftists” into a category called “leftists.”

    walk like a duck etc.

  11. You use these terms like curse words, the way that your talk radio guys do.

    The terms are all so loaded now, that they’re best avoided, esp as they’re almost always misused by people don’t know what they mean.

    Having a plan for health insurance does not a socialist / leftist country make. Unless you want too say that every other country on earth is socialist / leftist in nature, which is a really silly thing to say.

  12. Does this mean now that the general consensus is that the main problem with Obama care is the registration website, not the actual scheme itself ?

  13. “The terms are all so loaded now, that they’re best avoided, esp as they’re almost always misused by people don’t know what they mean.”

    Words have meanings, Phantom. We can’t have political discussions if meaningful words are disallowed.

    The reason our politicians – and the liberal MSM – talk in such a vapid, meaningless fashion is because they are trying to pull a fast one.

    If you want to clarify a definition be my guest. Please note, however, that I will continue to use words like socialism, statism and leftist in order to facilitate clear discussion or actual, real policies and political realities.

    Let’s get started: tell me how federal government centralized control over 16% of the economy is NOT socialist.

  14. The US remains a very capitalist country, probably the most capitalist of the big nations.

    There have been elements of social ( ist ) programs built into the system for a hundred years and more. Unemployment insurance, workers comp, etc. Every one of them was called socialist at the time. Which they were and are.

    We have a mixed economy. And we always will have a mixed economy.

    Obamacare addressed a crying national need which needed addressing. You guys would have done nothing about preexisting conditions and all of that, issues which simply don’t exist in other major countries.

    Fix the country’s problems – that’s my policy. What’s yours?

  15. //We can’t have political discussions if meaningful words are disallowed. //

    That’s exactly the problem, Patty. It’s very difficult to have a sensible discussion using such terms when there is no consensus as to their meaning.

    Words like “socialist”, “leftist” “liberal” etc mean so many things that they end up meaning nothing specifically. In fact, their meaning has been destroyed by some people using them far too broadly.
    e.g. “Left” / “socialist” / “commie” are frequently used on this site to cover everything from Hilary Clinton to North Korea. What’s more, such stretching of meaning always ends up with those doing the stretching using the attributes of the extremes to cover the rest, which was probably the idea in the first place.

    This soon turns any debate into a farce.

  16. These words actually do have a meaning when used by a skillful person who uses them to compare two or more things or systems.

    That doesn’t happen here so much.

    You usually here the identical usage that you get from the perpetually angry talk radio guys. That any governmental attempt to fix problems that can’t be fixed otherwise is tyranny, something close to communism.

  17. “The US remains a very capitalist country, probably the most capitalist of the big nations.”

    so what. what does this prove?

    “There have been elements of social ( ist ) programs built into the system for a hundred years and more.”

    again, so what? are the social programs in your opinion working? just because they’ve been around a while does this mean that we want to keep them especially if they are going bankrupt?

    Unemployment insurance, workers comp, etc. Every one of them was called socialist at the time. Which they were and are.

    again, so what. what is your point exactly?

    “We have a mixed economy. And we always will have a mixed economy.”

    are you a soothsayer? this is just a bullshit, follow the crowd argument, Phantom.

  18. “Obamacare addressed a crying national need which needed addressing.”

    If what you mean by a “crying national need” was healthcare insurance reform, he actually didn’t address this. He made it worse by creating a federal monopoly when the state monopolies were bad enough. If what you mean by a “crying national need” was the uninsured and the existing preconditions that were uninsurable, he didn’t address this either. Healthcare insurance looks to be more expensive than ever before – the uninsured and the uninsurable could have been helped with government vouchers to cover their cost at a much lower price for the nation.

    What Obama actually addressed was the American liberal wet dream of national healthcare. – the kind that liberal Americans imagine exists in other supposedly “better” countries like Sweden and the UK. – Obama created a federal monopoly for 16% of the economy.

    “Fix the country’s problems – that’s my policy. What’s yours?”

    The Republicans and the Conservatives and the Libertarians had and have many, many ideas to fix the high price of health insurance. But, you liberals will not listen and you don’t want to listen – so I guess the time is over for listening since the liberals in Washington will not even postpone the unworkable ObamaCare system.

    The statists and the socialists need to be fought and beaten down and put in the impoverished corner where they belong with their false prophets and unworkable daydreams based on last centuries Karl Marxian philosophy.

  19. What Republican, Conservative or Libertarian health care plan offered did you support Patty?

  20. “You usually here the identical usage that you get from the perpetually angry talk radio guys. That any governmental attempt to fix problems that can’t be fixed otherwise is tyranny, something close to communism.”

    The liberals will not listen to anyone’s else opinions. We now have unworkable ObamaCare but the liberals will not even consider postponing implementation.

    So, I repeat from my comment above:

    The statists and the socialists need to be fought and beaten down and put in the impoverished corner where they belong with their false prophets and unworkable daydreams based on last centuries Karl Marxian philosophy.

    and if you don’t like it, Phantom, tough.

  21. Any plan with an underlying free market foundation would garner my support, Mahons.

    for starters, I would have advised getting rid of the state insurance monopolies – let people shop their insurance across state lines.

    Instead, the liberals have created one big humungous federal insurance monopoly – ObamaCare.

  22. // I will continue to use words like socialism, statism and leftist in order to facilitate clear discussion //

    //since the liberals in Washington will not even postpone the unworkable ObamaCare system.
    The statists and the socialists need to be fought and beaten down //

    Patty, are the words “liberals”, “statists” and “socialists” different in your view, and if so what is the difference?

  23. Mahons: “It words matter to you Patty then try truthful ones for a change.”

    here we have Mahons calling Patty a liar…stoooopid!!

  24. Patty – You have indicated there were many, many ideas, yet when asked which one you support you fail to identify any single plan offered from these same Republicans, Conservatives and Libertarians that you would support.

    Words have meaning, remember?

  25. Patty has the talk radio slogans, that wouldn’t address pre-existing conditions or anything else that is fundamental.

    National health care problems are never dealt with solely by free market. It’s quite literally impossible for the free market to do so. If you can tell me how the free market can give affordable care to someone with a serious medical condition, I want to know exactly how those economics work.

  26. Apart from the US, which national approach to health care do you like the best?

    I expect no answer from Patty, as she has never thought about such things.

    But mahons, Noel, pinky,

    I’d like to hear what your thoughts are.

    I’ve known a lot of French, Swiss, Canadians, and I’ve never heard one of them say ” boy I wish we had that USA system “

  27. Phantom – I think it is difficult to entirely adopt any particular system since there are different factors and demographics involved in different places. the Canadian system, which works well there, might not work as well here in the US if adopted in its entirety.

    I think transplanting good programs from other systems and seeing if they will take here is a good idea, and to have a degree of flexibility.

  28. Patty, there was an IT system to be put in place to cope with conservative/lib-dem social welfare changes. They spent millions on it and it’s still not workable, it’s full of bugs and the like. This system is due the same charges as your Obama care one yet it is on the right of govt…

    Does that mean welfare changes should be stopped?

    It’s a systems problem is it not, not a policy one?

  29. And yet, Phantom, there are apparently plenty of Canadians crossing the border to use US doctors or Brits crossing the ocean for US surgeries….ever wonder if perhaps the Canadian system works for Canadians because just across the border, free market America offers things for a price that Canada just doesn’t have?

    Mahons, you are the quintessential stooooopid here. no question about it. personal name calling is your stock-in-trade. a liberal BS artist, through and through.

  30. Colm: “Does it really matter if a policy is socialist or not. What matters is does it work ?”

    I think this is a great question. And why does Phantom seem to think that “socialist” is name calling? (see his comment at 8:27) in my opinion, if you espouse socialist views then defend them, socialism and all.

    I suspect that the American democrat party as market tested the word “socialist” and found that the normal run-of-the-mill American does not like the word – so Socialists are in a bit of a pickle – they promote socialism but they have to pretend that what they promote is not, in fact, socialism.

    Hence, liberal linquistic game playing

    bye for now. I have a life to attend to.

  31. Starngely enough(?), over on another thread

    Now we kill the old

    Phantom was denying that there was a problem with Obamacare’s website. When I linked to a (non-corporate) website on which people described their experiences, Phantom wrote:

    The example cited by Allan, from yet another unknown blog, is entirely fraudulent.

    An “unknown” blog with “unknown” people who describe their own experiences with Obamacare – Yeah, sure, whatever….. It can’t be true unless corporates tell you that it’s true.

  32. //, which national approach to health care do you like the best//

    I’m no expert and am familiar with only a few systems, but for my money the Nordic countries do it best.
    They have a mixed public/private system, there’s a small cost-sharing factor for patients with exemptions in cases of Need; above all by most comparisons it offers better access to the HC at lower cost than most other countries.

    It all seems to work, no waiting times for doctors or hospital beds, universal access to a very high standard regarless of ability to pay ….

    However, no system is perfect: Ultimately it depends on the attitude of the people receiving the services. There is a noticeably movement towards private insurance in Sweden lately, which may or may not increase. It’s supposed to be due to the number of foreigners in the country and the gradual trend away from the egalitarian ethos Sweden used to have, towards more elitism.

  33. I wrote on this site way over a year ago, maybe two, about someone who was abandoned by his employer and by his employer based plan and by the system when he developed a serious nerve condition. I gave Troll and Monica additional, precise, data on the case in a side discussion.

    Anyone who has thought through issues like this ( and there are many others ) can never say that a 100% private, 100% unregulated, approach can ever work.

  34. Allan

    I didn’t comment on the Obama site. I referred to the NJ Exchange site.

    Patty

    A few Canadians coming to the US is an anecdote.

    How many Canadians have been bankrupted over medical care? How many Americans?

  35. Allan

    I didn’t comment on the Obama site. I referred to the NJ Exchange site.

    No Phantom – you are once again mistaken as anybody who opens the link to a recent ATW thread would see for him/herself. Opening the link takes the inquiring mind to this “unknown blog” where comments by members of the public on the performance of the launch of Obamacare are there for inspection:

    21 Of The Best Comments Posted By Frustrated Americans On The Official Obamacare Facebook Page

    20. “Good grief. Day three of trying and still can’t get on this website. The government KNEW about this thing going live for two years. TWO YEARS! And this is the best they could do? I shudder to think what’s going to happen once they are in control of my healthcare. They can’t even get their website functioning properly. If my business had rolled out a piece of crap that worked like this I’d be out of business.”

    Not a lie but verifiably the truth, yet found on an “unknown blog”

  36. Another pointless conversation on a serious topic. The hard (tea party) right have their talking points on the issue and refuse to acknowledge the serious shortcomings in our current system or calmly discuss the legitimate concerns with the faulty bandaid know as the ACA.

    It’s all socialist this and statist that and free market/cross state insurance markets are the answer!

    Nobody here has the expertise to knowledgeably analyze or discuss the issue intelligently. And nobody on the far right is willing to do so in good faith, partisan talking points win the day.

    What I know is that my local, upscale, suburban hospital has an emergency room full of uninsured people with minor maladies that should be treated in a clinic. Since they have no access to free or affordable clinics, aren’t insured privately or publicly (medicaid), they end up in the emergency room seeking very expensive, free treatment that gets passed along to me in the form of high Hospital District Property Taxes and even higher private insurance premiums.

    Obamacare addresses this pervasive, very expensive problem in an inelegant, clunky way.

    It’d be great if we could have a non-partisan, unbiased debate on the clear problems and possible solutions to this issue, but of course it’s much easier to scream socialism and gripe about the Kenyan marxist dictator in chief rather than discuss potential answers to this very real and costly problem.

  37. Allan, you ignorant slut

    I didn’t say that the main Obamacare site was good, bad, or indifferent

    I was referred to the NJ Exchange site by Pinky, I went on it, and I got a health insurance quote in about one minute.

  38. and now every piece of information you entered in that site can never be erased… 🙂

    Oh bullshit Daphne, to fix our old system is actually quite simple. Allow free enterprise to work. Open it up so that people can buy their insurance across state lines, allow health savings accounts, ala carte coverage choices, tort reform, and remove ridiculous government mandates.

    The poor are covered already, no one is ever turned away from emergency rooms, and medicare and medicade cover the indigent.

    Government regulation was the previous problem, free markets and tort reform have ALWAYS been the solution to affordability. PERIOD

  39. It isn’t the solution here, and it isn”t the solution in any other country.

    Its not that kind of problem.

    It can only be part of the solution.

  40. Phantom

    I think the Medicare system should have been the initial model and improved over time. I think administrative/overhead is 15-18%, it covers everybody that belongs to the demographic category. I hardly ever hear patients or doctors complain about it. Like all healthcare it is subject to overall health cost increases, but that is the providers and not the model. Hopefully when consumers realize that a Medicare-type system can deliver the same results for 25% or more less, they will urge our politicians to get them the savings and turn down the lobbyists offerings. As a country we have to drive down costs and improve health results to meet or beat other advanced countries performance. The Obama healthcare law was a pragmatic start, we need to keep the goals of lower costs and better health results in sight in the years ahead as this evolves.

    BTW, I have experience in the UK NHS system and it has many good features. I think the best feature is that doctors and patients carry on almost without a thought to cost or insurance; it takes getting used to for an American. I have only seen a local GP and not been in a NHS hospital, but know people who have and the only complaint I’ve heard is waiting time for non-emergency procedures.

  41. The one good point thatTroll makes is that tort reform should have been a cornerstone principle. It wasn’t because Obama’s lawyer friends see liability lawuits as a happy hunting ground, a moneymaker.

    I also think that there should have been no connection between employment and any new system. Obamacare is an immense distraction for employers, an unnecessary one.

    Maybe Medicare for all should have been the model.

  42. Patty – you are dumb. I wish there was a medical plan to make you not so, but there is not.

  43. Mahons how would you feel if someone said that to your wife for having the spine to express her opinions?

  44. Phantom the free market is the solution. It was government interference in the medical system that caused the majority of the problems that our system had.

    Yet even with those problems our system of medicine was the best in the world. As for Lawyers the majority of politicians on both sides are Lawyers, it’s one of the problems with our political system.

    Free market competition with minimal regulation is the ONLY cure. (that and we shoot all the Lawyers)

  45. It is not that type of issue.

    It’s just not.

    Never has been, in any advanced nation, in any recent era, for a thousand obvious reasons.

  46. And Troll, please stop pretending if Patty didn’t parrot the same silly Tea Party talking points that you do that you would care about her opinions at all. You’ve been an intellectual weakling who has no problem saying nasty things about anyone who disagrees with you. You fool no one (except as usual yourself).

  47. Why should Troll “care about” my opinions, Mahons?

    what’s wrong with you liberals, anyway? everything is always comes down to emotion.

    I express limited constitutional conservative opinions – and Troll agrees with them. That’s all.

    it’s not particularly personal.

    even you, Mahons, abusive idiot such that you are – if you expressed a limited government type of opinion – well, I would agree with you.

  48. And you both agree with one another and with guttersnipes like Levin and Limbaugh 100 pct of the time, every day and every issue

    If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.

    General Patton

  49. Guttersnipes? Gee. Try just a little bit of objectivity, would ja?

    Here’s Ezra Klein, an Obama supporter/journalist on MSNBC describing the ObamaCare launch:

    It isn’t just a glitchy site. To a first approximation, basically nobody is capable of signing up for affordable health care right now or just any health insurance, affordable or not. That is not okay. They did a bad job running a very big program to help a lot of Americans. Now three weeks from now, four weeks from now, it might all be fixed. It might all be fine, and there’s something to that, right? A stat I heard the other day which I think is a stunning one is there were more people trying to sign up for accounts at healthcare.gov in the first 24 hours than Twitter had users signing up in the last 24 months. Nevertheless, when you launch something like this, it is on you to make it work. We are now more than a week into the Affordable Care Act and most people going to that website cannot use it and cannot get insurance. The Obama administration people failed the people it was trying to help, at least thus far. They need to get that site working before we can even talk about whether it can be a success. Right now it can’t even begin.

  50. bold talk for a man who never put forth a cogent argument in his life… lol

    did I hit nerve?

    Your a bum George, you can’t form a reasonable debate on any of your views and you beat up on women. Your mother would be so proud…. 🙂

    All that schooling and training and your just pathetic, and petty.

    I pity you.

  51. Obamacare deserves criticism.

    But you guys opposed -all- meaningful reform.

    You were AWOL when a very urgent social problem was being addressed. You are a party and movement of no positive consequence.

  52. Phantom

    People of my ilk might be in the voting minority but we are still the real majority. (that frightens you doesn’t it?) Limbaugh has the largest audience in the country for 25 years not because his audience echos him, but because he echos them.

    As for Patton, he read his bible everyday, and carried a 45. I have more in common with him then any out of context quote you can pull out.

    Capitalism, free markets, and small government is the answer to the worlds problems. Not just the medical community.

  53. Most people don’t get their opinioms from flatulent radio screamers.

    And working people generally can’t listen to Linbaugh. He’s on during the day. Unless you’re driving a truck, or are on welfare, its not possible to listen to him even if you wanted to.

  54. Phantom, on October 11th, 2013 at 12:45 AM Said:
    Allan, you ignorant slut

    I didn’t say that the main Obamacare site was good, bad, or indifferent

    Phantom – when one opens the link to a previous ATW thread, one reads sequentially:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on October 4th, 2013 at 2:37 PM Said:
    Given the now demonstrable mendacity of the state-approved MSM, I’m just going to by-pass them and get information on the real world from those in the real world:

    21 Of The Best Comments Posted By Frustrated Americans On The Official Obamacare Facebook Page

    The best comment was posted by a man named Will Sheehan with type 1 diabetes who was initially very excited to sign up for Obamacare. But what he discovered while trying to sign up was absolutely horrifying…

    Phantom, on October 4th, 2013 at 2:44 PM Said:
    The example cited by Allan, from yet another unknown blog, is entirely fraudulent.

    Esp the amount of the fine.

    Lie lie lie.

    As one now sees, it’s not lie, lie, lie but true, true, true. I linked to source testimony (by-passing the corporate media – how subversive!) to the effect that the Obamacare program as seen by its interface with the public (its website) is a disaster, yet Phantom calls such testimony a lie, yet now denies that he did so.

  55. Troll – do you know what’s in Patton’s diaries? I do, because I bought them just to be absolutely sure.

  56. //Limbaugh has the largest audience in the country for 25 years not because his audience echos him, but because he echos them.//

    Here’s a story about a pal of mine
    who worked down near the Georgia line –
    A big mouth in a little country station,
    The people really loved him dear
    Coz he said what they like to hear,
    He built himself up quiet a reputation

    (with apologies to Stonewall Jackson)

  57. opinions Phantoms are like rear ends, every one has one and they all stink.

    Oh I did forget in all this enlightened conversation to say a Hat Tip to Pinky. Her link was right.

  58. Patton was crazy.

    He also had many of the prejudices of the wealthy class that he was born into, or more relevantly, that he married into.

    Yes, he had an anti Jewish streak in him. You may cling to the anti semitic quotes of his, which are unfortunately genuine.

    Once the Germans were crushed, Patton wanted to take the fight to the Communist USSR, which would have been a grave error.

    Patton wasn’t always right.

    On balance, he was a great commander, a pure warrior, a hugely interesting personality.

    You can honor him for his sins and prejudices. We will honor him what he was on balance – a great commander, a pure warrior, a hugely interesting personality.

  59. How can Limbaugh have a significant working class audience when his show air when people are all busy at work?

    The audience must all be retirees, the unemployed, welfare recipients, jail birds, and a few truck drivers and night watchmen to round it off.

  60. The $634,320,919 figure is of course nonsense.

    It includes all the money that CGI Federal have been paid on government contracts not just building the website.

    This includes work that not only predates Obamacare but also predates the Obama administration. That has not stopped the figure being regurgitated by numerous right wing sites without anyone actually thinking about where the number came from.

  61. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

    Attributed to Josef Goebbels, and now a bedrock principle of the Republican Party and its wholly owned Tea Party subsidiary.

  62. Said on the Mark Levin show and repeated by Patty:

    ObamaCare=Affordable Care Act.

    …or as many are now discovering, Unaffordable Care Act.

  63. Levin is a smart guy who pretends to be a complete idiot, so as to appease his drooling AM radio fans.

  64. You may cling to the anti semitic quotes of his, which are unfortunately genuine.

    So, from what Patton saw with his own eyes in 1945-Germany, and from his dealings with the jewish cabal centring on Henry Morgenthau, Patton had no reason to write what he did as his writings are based on the “many of the prejudices of the wealthy class that he was born into, or more relevantly, that he married into”? I call that nonsensical.

  65. He looked down on the displaced persons from devastated Europe, just freed from your camps, called them dirty.

    It was not his finest moment.

  66. He looked down on the displaced persons from devastated Europe, just freed from your camps, called them dirty.

    No wonder Allan likes him. But then, many look down on today’s refugees who are fleeing persecution. Many here.

  67. Phantom – There is significantly more to it than that, so here’s a reasonable summary of the book, The Patton Papers, which I have:

    http://rense.com/general88/patton.htm

    “There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: first, implement communism, and second, see that all businessmen of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.”

    A ‘semitic’ (jewish) influence in the press – surely not?

    In the words of the Daily Mail’s Alex Brummer:

    But throughout my time at the Mail, the paper’s loyalty to Israel, as a beacon of democracy and economic success in a region of often ghastly sectarian dictatorships, has never wavered.
    Moreover, it is a newspaper that has nurtured and promoted Jewish staff in every editorial department.

    Of course it does – that’s what happens when jews take control of an organisation. As for Phantom, whenever something is brought to his eyes which runs contrary to his set-in-stone opinions, it is a ‘conspiracy theory’.

  68. …..today’s refugees who are fleeing persecution

    Today’s refugees from the 3rd-world are fleeing the poverty, brutality and backwardness of the 3rd-world: they are fleeing from themselves and bringing their poverty, their brutality and their backwardness to the lands of white people, and many white people are stupid enough to welcome this pestilence, as long as it doesn’t come too near to them.

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