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So the heroic Russian humanitarian convoy, ludicrously described as an invasion by the Kiev propagandists, has returned back to Russia after delivering tons of aid to the Donbass people. That’s 260 trucks of food, water, sleeping bags and generators. A hundred of the trucks got to Lugansk, which has been without power and water for weeks and where food was running out while the Kiev forces have pounded it by air, artillery, grad batteries and ballistic missiles.

NATO chief warlord Anders Fogh Rasmussen condemns the convoy. So while NATO allies with Kiev, the West stays silent on the relentless bombing of civilians, which Kiev describes as an “Anti-Terrorist Operation”. This is a recent result of that operation in Lugansk –

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(Photo from Alex Thorn, graphic video is here)

It’s still strange that hundreds of thousands of Europeans can be relentlessly pounded by a modern military without the MSM noticing. It’ll send reporters to the furthest reaches of the Third World to get a story, but in Donbass there’s only the magnificent Graham Phillips, and he’s a one man band.

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70 thoughts on “THE FOGH OF WAR

  1. 260 trucks and unarmed drivers, taking desperately needed supplies, into a war zone, avoiding main roads, through a modern military which doesn’t want you there and which has been shelling civilians for months?

    Yes, that’s heroic.

  2. This is NATO/EU, plus their neo-con running dogs, trying to force regime-change in Russia.

    The object is to mess Russia around, humiliate Putin, and force Moscow into some kind of military intervention in the region, so they can say “There, this is what we expected all along”.

    It’s that blatant.

  3. Sure

    Ukraine defending its territory against a large revanchist neighbor is really a regime change effort targeting Putey Pute.

    Who knew?

  4. I think it an utter disgrace that our so called media seems only to concentrate on the Middle East. What is going on in Ukraine is far more dangerous.

    I do not think that Putin has been humiliated by these clowns. I think he is waiting a biding his time. Eventually, Russia will find a pretext for a small intervention to teach the Ukrainians a good lesson. But I’d doubt they will try and take Kiev.

    Winter has always been on the side of the Russians. And winter draws ever nearer.

  5. If Russia wanted to get aid in that desperately I’m sure they could have sent it in the same way they’ve sent in weapons and terrorists. Refusing to cooperate with the IIRC is also pretty strange behaviour for humanitarian relief (and wearing Red Cross insignia in spite of having refused to let the Red Cross see what was in the trucks is a war crime in itself).

  6. Pete and the lads just hate foreign meddling except when its their meddler who’s messing with a smaller country.

    Then it’s cool.

  7. It’s not clear what the Russians are up to- from the trucks which were inspected, we know that they are only about 20% full, so unless they’re delivering much needed fresh air, it seems likely that they’re either removing something or just staging it as a provocation to get the Ukrainians to give Putin an excuse to make an even more overt intervention in Ukraine.

  8. My first thought was ” Trojan Horse ”

    Hope that those trucks were closely inspected.

  9. Ross –

    What Russians and terrorists? Photos or it doesn’t happen. Every week Kiev reports build ups of Russian forces on the border, and that Kiev aid convoys have been attacked, and they never produce a shred of evidence.

    Moscow didn’t work with the ICRC because the ICRC had “not received sufficient security guarantees from the fighting parties”. I.e., as with the MH17 crash site, Kiev would not stop military ops in the area. (In fact Kiev intensified attacks in the crash area.) We’ll note also that the corporate ICRC is chiefly in the business of protecting its own area of operations, as well as budgets and incomes. It can’t be seen as essential if others are running aid in.

    However, ICRC people in Lugansk were “super happy” to see the convoy arrive.

  10. Phantom –

    It was inspected by the Red Cross at the border.

    Ross –

    A week ago Kiev reported as absolute fact that it had destroyed a Russian military convoy after it had crossed into Ukraine:

    Ukrainian artillery destroyed a “significant” part of a Russian armored column that crossed into Ukraine during the night, President Petro Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron on Friday, according to the presidential website.

    Separately, a Ukrainian military spokesman said Ukrainian forces had tracked the Russian armored column as soon as it crossed onto Ukrainian soil.

    “Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exists,” military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists.

    Have you seen a single photo of this ghost convoy? These Kievan jokers are on another planet. Don’t believe a word they say.

  11. It was inspected by the Red Cross at the border.

    They started to inspect them, 34 out of 260 trucks, but then the Russians wouldn’t let them continue for some reason.

  12. We’ll note also that the corporate ICRC is chiefly in the business of protecting its own area of operations, as well as budgets and incomes. It can’t be seen as essential if others are running aid in.

    So the Red Cross are in on the plot against Russia too! If the Red Cross is so bad, then why did the Russians lie about having secured an agreement with the ICRC to send the convoy in?

    Of course the Kremlin could create it’s own parallel aid organisations, they are already on their way to creating Russians Without Borders after all.

  13. Ross –

    Can we have some links and evidence please?

    Kiev, Washington and NATO would have been desperate to photograph this Russian military column which Kiev claims to have destroyed. Do we have a photo?

    What is your source for the claim that Russia prevented the Red Cross from inspecting all the vehicles in the aid convoy? I found one, Ukraine’s Security Council, which as far as sources go is on the far side of laughable.

  14. The MH17 matter has gone very quiet. Why is that?

    http://grayfalcon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/whatever-happened-to-mh17.html

    “Ukrainian Attorney General’s office spokesperson Yuri Bojchenko confirmed that a non-disclosure agreement was signed on August 8, 2014 between the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and Ukraine regarding any results of Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 ‪#‎MH17‬ flight crash investigation.” (source)

    And Russia has now asked the UN to request release of all information from the flight recorders.

  15. Peter – does Putin want war? If so, with whom? Show me the overseas bases from which Putin could launch his wars.

  16. With Russia’s counter-sanctions of food against the West, it seems likely that the half empty food trucks are the result of having to conserve their own foods stocks back home.
    It’s not something they’d be willing to admit, and who’d blame them for that.
    I notice that a BBC report said that one truck was piled high with portable generators, a commodity that Russia probably makes themselves and has plenty to spare.

  17. Allan

    Putin could invade Ukraine tomorrow. Russian forces would win easily. I think they will be content with grabbing the eastern provinces, but that will be a warning to other former colonies of the Tsarist Empire Soviet states like Estonia: behave, or face the consequences.

  18. As a part of NATO, Estonia should be free from an invasion threat. Putin won’t be stupid enough to cross that line.

    The Russians could bust balls in other ways.

    You might think that Putin would try to befriend some of his neighbors. But like China, Russia has many more bad relationships with its neighbors than need be the case. Dominance rather than coexistence is what each of them want.

  19. Peter –

    It’s fun watching Pete defend the peace-loving Putin.

    Well I haven’t defended him today, but I will now: Vladimir Putin needs defending because, although he’s no angel, right now he’s keeping Washington and NATO from dragging us into what would be a catastrophic war.

    I think they will be content with grabbing the eastern provinces, but that will be a warning to other former colonies of the Tsarist Empire Soviet states like Estonia: behave, or face the consequences.

    Rubbish!

    I’ve told you already why Putin has neither the desire nor the capacity to recreate the past. Putin’s actions have been motivated solely to keep a balance of power in Europe. In the last decade NATO has tried to grab Georgia and Ukraine. If you think that NATO bases, including NATO fleets in Crimea, are not destabilising then you’re out of your mind.

    Putin has been very clear: NATO comes no closer to Russia than its already great encroachment. If you had an ounce of sense you’d recognise that we should wish him well in resisting NATO.

    If NATO grabs Ukraine, putting NATO troops right on Russia’s border then we’re in big trouble.

  20. If Russia wanted to threaten it’s western neighbours, including Estonia, then why not threaten to turn off the gas/oil spigot?

    So far, it’s only Ukraine that has threatened to disrupt supplies, not Russia.

  21. Bernard –

    With Russia’s counter-sanctions of food against the West, it seems likely that the half empty food trucks are the result of having to conserve their own foods stocks back home.

    There’s no shortage of food. Russia has done deals with China, Brazil and other countries to make up what the stupid sanctions have proscribed. So Chinese, Brazilian and other producers will profit instead of American and European producers. That’s the Western political Brains Trust.

    The trucks were not full because aid trucks are never full; a full truck on poor roads is a dangerous truck, and excess space is required in case of break downs.

  22. BTW, that shockingly graphic video you linked to, showing the aftermath of a mortar attack, was only put up yesterday, and probably contravenes YouTube’s code of decency.
    I’d expect it to be taken down soon.

  23. It’s the warmongers in Washington DC who are driving the potential for conflict. The breach of the agreement not to extend NATO eastwards post-1990 is at the core of the drive to war – a very profitable field of commerce:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the West of breaking promises made after the fall of the Iron Curtain, saying that NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe violated commitments made during the negotiations over German reunification. Newly discovered documents from Western archives support the Russian position.

    On Feb. 10, 1990, between 4 and 6:30 p.m., Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: “We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east.” And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: “As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general.”

    Shevardnadze replied that he believed “everything the minister (Genscher) said.”

  24. Tractor production in mighty Rossiya is up for 14th year of Putin’s glorious reign!

    I’ve told you already why Putin has neither the desire nor the capacity to recreate the past. Putin’s actions have been motivated solely to keep a balance of power in Europe. In the last decade NATO has tried to grab Georgia and Ukraine.

    In reality NATO members blocked expansion to those countries back in 2008, France and Germany were very clear they opposed it. In the intervening 6 years NATO has taken no steps to move East.

    If you think that NATO bases, including NATO fleets in Crimea, are not destabilising then you’re out of your mind.

    Imaginary fleets exist aren’t that destabilising really.

  25. You might think that Putin would try to befriend some of his neighbors.

    Yes, Putin is not a criminal mastermind, just an overpromoted thug. He’s turned Ukraine from a country that was finely split between being pro and anti Russia and strongly opposed to a closer relationship with Nato, into a solid enemy.

  26. Bernard –

    It is a graphic video, but I thought I was being restrained in only linking to it instead of putting it up, and in choosing a relatively benign image from the video.

    To be honest I’m sick of people calling for war and voting for warlords in suits before sticking dinner in the oven to sit down to a comfy evening. I think they should be confronted with the reality of what they demand. If real blood and gore makes them uncomfortable then good.

    I promise you I could fill up ATW every day with more graphic videos than that of dead Donbass innocents. I could fill it with dead, shredded and pulverised men, women and children. It’s happening right now, in Europe and the compliant media doesn’t give a damn. The perpetrators of these vast war crimes were put into power by our governments.

    If that means I love Putin then so be it.

  27. I have repeatedly said that the US and NATO broke promises not to expand NATO east in the aftermath of the breakup of the USSR and Warsaw Pact

    Promises made in public ( by Sec State James Baker ) as well as in private. Why bring up classified documents of private conversations when Baker said it publicly?

  28. Phantom –

    Yes, you’ve said that NATO broke those promises, but some (including you, maybe) don’t seem to realise how stupid and destabilising it is.

    Imagine China and Russia entering into NATO-style pacts, with all that entails, with Canada and Mexico. You think Washington might find that provocative and destabilising? Just a bit!

  29. Pete

    I must have missed your cries of conscience when Putin destroyed the city of Grozny the second time after Yeltsin had done it before.

  30. I agree that NATO expansion was an error.

    But it is now a fact, and it is a fact that the populations of the Baltics and places like Poland very much welcome.

    There will be no invasion of Russia,and there is no cause for Russia to meddle the way it has been meddling

    If Ukraine wants to do trade deals with the EU or even if it wishes to become an EU state, that is none of Russia’s business.

    A state is either independent or it is not. Let Ukraine do what it chooses to do.

  31. that shockingly graphic video you linked to, showing the aftermath of a mortar attack,

    Indeed. Now where does it remind me of? Only it would be a missile attack, weapon supplied by Uncle Sam. And the victims are untermenschen residents of Gaza, terrorist supporters to the last child.

  32. It isn’t clear that there was a promise not to expand NATO to Eastern Europe at all or that the issue was even discussed. See “The Myth of a No-NATO Enlargement Pledge To Russia”.

    What was discussed was whether East Germany would join NATO, and that is where the much quoted James Baker pledge that NATO wouldn’t extend “one inch to the East” comes in. In the initial discussions they considered the possibility of having a reunified Germany with only half of it in NATO before deciding it was unworkable.

  33. Phantom –

    I must have missed your cries of conscience when Putin destroyed the city of Grozny the second time after Yeltsin had done it before.

    You did miss it. I once linked to a series of photos of Grozny in here, remarking at the astonishing level of destruction. In the end there was nothing left to destroy. The First Chechen War in particular reinforced that you don’t want to be taken prisoner by the Russian Army. Is that ok?

    Let Ukraine do what it chooses to do.

    I may have missed your cries of conscience when McCain and an army of State Dept functionaries were trooping to Kiev, organising the overthrow of the previous government.

  34. If Poland Ukraine and Estonia can join NATO, then why doesn’t Russia join too. Then no-one would be a threat to anyone. Everyone would be in NATO and would all be pledged to defend each other 🙂

  35. Its a semi serious point. There is no ideological reasons for east/West hostility any more since the collapse of Soviet communism so why should Russia and the Western powers still see each other as ‘the enemy’

  36. why doesn’t Russia join too

    Because it still sees itself as a great power. And it has plans to back up that ambition. It still has a huge military capability. No state in Eastern Europe could possibly stand up to it, and that includes Poland.

  37. Phantom

    Interesting you should bring up Grozny at this time because Chechnya had been fighting for an independent ‘Islamic State’ for decades, and Grozny was to be its capital.

    Yeltsin/Putin (and those before them) had long fought to prevent an Islamic State becoming established within the Federation, and the 10 year war that resulted in the total destruction of Grozny, set the seal on those ambitions.

    In retrospect, and in view of the recent moves by ISIS, one can see what Russia was up against.

  38. Colm –

    .. so why should Russia and the Western powers still see each other as ‘the enemy’

    Russia doesn’t see the West as the enemy, and neither should the people of the West be duped by coarse propaganda into thinking of Russia as our enemy.

    Since 1991, and particularly 13 years ago, Russia went to great lengths to reach out. These efforts have always been rebuffed. Why so will be addressed here, but MOTD and the glorious Gunners are on in a min.

  39. From Ross’s link at 9.17pm, the author of the report:

    Mark Kramer is director of the Cold War Studies Project at Harvard University

    Harvard is not impartial as it provides the ‘academic’ pretexts for NATO expansionism. The statements by those at the time of the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact are clear enough – no NATO expansion eastwards. But there is a more interesting paragraph from my link of 8.38pm:

    On the other hand, the Baltic countries were still part of the Soviet Union, and NATO membership seemed light years away. And in some parts of Eastern Europe, peace-oriented dissidents were now in power, men like then-Czech President Vaclav Havel who, if he had had his way, would not only have dissolved the Warsaw Pact, but NATO along with it.

    Why does NATO exist at all? What ‘threat’ does NATO exist to counter and bear in mind the first two letters of the acronym?

  40. men like then-Czech President Vaclav Havel who, if he had had his way, would not only have dissolved the Warsaw Pact, but NATO along with it.

    Vaclav was a hero in the Czech, he wanted to tell the EU to get stuffed as well .. so he had to go.

  41. Mr Havel supported NATO, strongly

    He supported it so much that he wanted it expanded to Ukraine and Georgia.

    I call as my witness – Mr Havel himself

  42. Ross –

    I asked you a number of questions today regarding unsubstantiated claims against Russia. Do I get any answers?

  43. If Havel wanted to expand NATO to the very borders of Russia, and Phantom’s link appears to confirm this contrary to mine at 9.17pm, then Havel was wrong. It is absolutely reckless to do so. The questions remain:

    Why does NATO exist at all? What ‘threat’ does NATO exist to counter and bear in mind the first two letters of the acronym?

  44. Trying to change the subject on to something no one else was talking about, like whatever went on with the Russian forcrs the Ukrainians claimed to have destroyed, then demanding a response is not going to make me jump to it.

    You want evidence of Russians sent in to Ukraine then look no further than the recently departed leaders of the “separatists” like comrade Strelkov who has since returned to his home in Moscow it seems.

  45. Ok Ross, so you have no evidence for your claims. That’s just as well, because Russia did not prevent the Red Cross from inspecting the aid convoy.

  46. Why does NATO exist at all? What does NATO exist to counter and bear in mind the first two letters of the acronym?

    I think that the Baltic states and Poland could answer that question. Think of Poland in September 1939 and what followed. Should they be in alliance with Putin’s Russia against an expansionist Nato fronted by the EU?

    I suspect that quite a few hereabouts would answer “yes, for sure!”

  47. Almost any east European – the Poles, Czechs, Balts – would be astonished at the question.

  48. As most of us should know, the countries of eastern Europe were released from the grasp of communism in 1990 and the Soviet Union split into its own constituent countries. There is no ‘threat’ to any member of NATO in 1990 and there is certainly no ‘threat’ to any country of the recently-freed eastern Europe. When I think of Poland in 1939, I see Germany’s eastern provinces handed over by Versailles and the borders re-drawn by that disgraceful treaty as a deliberate precursor to inevitable war. In 2014, the only borders where there are clear ethnic/national entanglements are in Ukraine – and that entire area is outside NATO. the countries of the west have no business stirring up disputes between Russia and Ukraine, and no business in deposing a Ukrainian government and imposing their own puppet clique.

  49. Pete- it is possible that the Ukrainian government made it up but given the choice of believing Kiev or Moscow that has an astonishing track record of mendacity the Ukrainians are more likely to be telling the truth. We know with 100% certainty that Russia has already lied about cooperating with the Red Cross from when they initally claimed that the convoy was being done in partnership with the icrc.

  50. Peter – I can’t comment on 100 ‘lies’ as it’s beyond my means. The silence on MH17 is indicative of all not being well with the corporate media onslaught against Putin. I wonder what will happen when it is finally revealed that it wasn’t “Putin’s missile” after all. Hopefully, the Russian government will launch court action against Murdoch’s media.

  51. Ross –

    ” .. given the choice of believing Kiev or Moscow that has an astonishing track record of mendacity the Ukrainians are more likely to be telling the truth.”

    Are you completely out of your mind? Kiev is the home of Whiskey Tango Foxtrot claims. Last week it said it had destroyed a Russian armoured column, yet we still haven’t seen a single photo. This probably isn’t the maddest of its claims, unfortunately. Kiev’s junta is on a differnt propaganda planet.

  52. More laughable posts from Moore. Why not make Allan a Writer and suspend facts and reality completely?

  53. There is no real threat to NATO countries, true. The reason there won’t be a threat is because there is a NATO.

    The NATO command structure proved very useful when we put a decisive stop to Serb aggression and mass murder in 1999.

    Even most Europeans that are not in NATO benefit greatly from its existence.

  54. ….and suspend facts and reality completely?

    Mahons – you often mention facts yet never state what they are. When evidence in support of my arguments is put forward, you refuse to look at it – and this is somebody who describes himself as a ‘lawyer’. I invite you to show where I and Pete are wrong, and please provide some evidence.

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